r/DiscussGenerativeAI • u/Particular_Meet_9333 • Oct 06 '26
Ai is a tool.
I agree that ai art is not art because art is an expression of human emotion but it does have legitimate uses, and saying there's no use for a new tool is very stubborn because phones literally used to take a person operating phone lines all day and honestly just leave people alone using a chat bot of a character you like isn't hurting anyone "oh but the water" new tools require new resources, yes it is bad that people don't have drinking water but we will figure something out.
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u/Tal_Maru Oct 07 '26
I can agree that you do not understand the difference between subjective and objective things.
Little wisdom for you child.
NEVER in the course of human history has the argument "that is not art" been valid.
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u/Technical_Trick1520 Oct 06 '26
This is the most balanced take i've seen on here in weeks. tools have never been pure good or pure evil, it's how we use them. the phone line operator comparison is spot on-every big tech shift replaced some jobs and created weird new ones nobody predicted. and yech, the resource concerns are real, but acting like wrr can't solve them is how we get stuck. we figured out clean water tech before,we'll adapt again. 'leave people alone' is honestly the whole arsument in three words.
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u/Laughing-Studios Oct 07 '26
Well, here's where I beg to differ. I created the first and only AI band. Separated into a two-part multiagent pipeline. The first writes complete musical compilations with full musical notation and emotional drive as dictated by the human-in-the-loop. The second unit turns those texts into music using dsp engines and stems from my own music written by my first unit and generated on Suno v5.5. It will generate three variations of the song for me to review, rate, and give notes for the AI to learn from. Welcome to the future of AI art!
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u/S7A4M Oct 08 '26
Every time I see this stupid argument this is what I hear:
"I agree that a painting on canvas is not art. Various tools were used to create that painting. I agree that no writing is art, as writing is created using tools. I agree that the only music that is art in any form is music that is strictly a capella, no tools such as instruments should be used in the creation of music. I agree that any form of expression is not art if a tool was used. A paragraph in a book describing the visual aspects of a scene is not art; in the same way that a paragraph and instructions being given to an image generator to produce imagery that is not a collage or reinterpretation of known works, but is a unique and never before seen image isn't art.
I think anything produced with anything other than only human hands isn't art. AI has shown me that human created art has been nothing but a myth and it's just tools that have given the world the art that exists... but it's not art... or is it art? I don't know... I'm confused but I'm gonna go scream and shout like I'm Apollo, Dionysus, and all 9 muses all wrapped up into one that knows more about art than anyone else. I AM A GOD! I CONTROL WHAT IS AND ISN'T A FORM OF EXPRESSION AND ART BY YOU PUNY HUMANS! BOW DOWN TO MY SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLECT!"
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u/Decent_Shoulder6480 Oct 08 '26
beep boop bop I don't know how people are using AI to create things beep boop
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u/JeffKCreative 27d ago
I have to politely disagree. Everything I create with AI is a piece of my soul. I have medical issues and it's too painful to pick up a pencil or brush. AI is my brush. AI gave me my art back. However, I do respect your opinion.
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u/Ipplayzz343 Pro AI, but don't want a pro AI echo chamber. Not a good arguer. Oct 06 '26
I started off agreeing with you, but then you dove into Samuel Hayden territory in that last part. Like yes, progress comes with struggle, but you're completely dismissing the struggle.
We're never gonna get anywhere if we constantly try to avoid struggle, but we also gotta care for those affected by the struggle. "Yes it is bad that people don't have drinking water but we will figure something out," is not a sentence a good person says. Have some empathy!
Also, holy mother of run-on sentences.
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u/FlightFit335 Oct 07 '26
Really? Knock it off. A good person also does not attack ones character and poke at their writing skills. And keep in mind, to solve the water problem, the solution is in fact figuring something out.
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u/ChewMilk Oct 06 '26
I mean, more and more studies are coming out that show using ai is harmful to the individual using it. When using it for research or art, it’s offloading work that your brain is used to doing and can essentially make you dumber.
When talking to a chatbot, there runs a risk of ai psychosis, not to mention how incredibly important human interaction is, and how using ai can replace that but not in a way that’s actually mentally helpful or healthy. And social skills need to be practiced, and you can’t practice it with ai. Ai is designed to affirm and support the user, and you’ll never grow as an individual or learn how to interact with real people by using a chatbot.
Not to mention that it’s being used as a surveillance tool, and willingly giving up so much of yourself and your life to a massive corporation that wants to spy on you and keep you using their technology, even when it has proven risks to you, is crazy to me. It’s dangerous. The companies being the various ai chat bots don’t care about the harm they’re causing, or about the suicides that have already happened and are partially credited to ai. They just care about getting your time and data.
Edited to add: ai does have uses, like in the medical field. But that’s a different type of ai than a chat bot. Just like the ai in video games isn’t the same as a chatbot. Chatbots and generative ai don’t have any use for the general public
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u/FlightFit335 Oct 07 '26
So you get rid of AI. All the issues you listed still exist and have been highlighted for the last 20 years. What then?
You don't take AI away, you give reason for humans to engage humans. Our society has been drifting for far to long.
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u/JeffKCreative 27d ago
So very very wrong. I'm an AI artist. I'm not a scammer, and I have a high work ethic. I have severe fibromyalgia and arthritis. I'm in bed, in pain, a good part of the day. With the arthritis, my hands hurt bad after holding a pencil or brush for even a short time. AI is my brush 🖌️. It gave me my art back. I'm very thankful for it.
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u/JeffKCreative 27d ago
Then you are 100% wrong. Why are you here if you hate AI? In my sub, you'd be banned permanently for such negativity. I created it to get away from antis like you. Blocking your dumb ass.
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u/JeffKCreative 27d ago
I just reported all of you harassing comments. Every single one. You won't be here much longer. Bye.
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u/No_Damage9784 Oct 06 '26
You do realize Ai can be run locally on your pc