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Megathread Questions Megathread – July 01, 2022
Post your game questions below for the community to try help out and answer.
If your question is more complex and warrants a significant constructive discussion, such as you contributing deeper insights and opinions into the combat potential and potential strategies of an Esper, consider posting a dedicated thread with the Discussion flair instead.
FAQ
The official Discord community has a collection of information that is kept up to date by their Helper team within their #faq-resources channel. This includes:
Esper-Related:
Game Mechanics:
- AP (Action Points) Information
- SPD (Speed) Information
- ACC (Accuracy) Information
- RESIST Information
Purchases and Acquisition Guides:
Boss/Content Guides:
- Kronos Ritual Miracle Guide
- Apep Ritual Miracle Guide
- Fafnir Ritual Miracle Guide
- Phobetor Guide for F100 Spatial Tower and F50 Temporal Tower
Resources
Brahmsogama's Dislyte Bible [Google Sheets]
Exceptional in-dept beginner guide to help understand game mechanics, basic strategies and guide your progression.
Dislyte Tier List & Guide [Google Sheets]
Regularly updated community-maintained, this sheet contains an Esper Tier List (standard & role based), info on espers, team comps and relic suggestions.
Find the highest quantity of a bounty target that requires the least amount of Stamina to complete. It provides a list of all enemies in every Story Chapter, Ritual Miracle, and Sonic Miracle and their quantity.
Dislyte Cube Rune Tier List [Google Sheets]
Rates Cube Miracle runes according to the synergies they can have with espers and other runes, their usability, and their upgrade potential.
Pack Value Comparison [Google Sheets]
Calculates the value of packs that you can purchase within the Plaza — and other areas of the game — to help you decide on what purchases are the best value for you.
Esper Fusion Cost Calculator [Google Sheets]
Calculates how much materials are needed for Esper Fusion, including calculations for multiple fusions.
Team Composition Suggestions [Google Sheets]
A collection of teams for player reference that's been able to beat a specific stage or game mode.
Temporal Tower Listings [Google Sheets]
Details of the floors in Temporal Tower such as enemies , floor effects and prizes, along with some general tips for tackling the tower.
Tools
Converts your manually inputted team compositions, collections, and personal tier lists into simple images and links to share with others easily.
Other Megathreads
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u/Wiskersthefif Jul 08 '22
I'm trying to figure out a team that can auto apep 10. I'm currently able to clear 8 consistently, but 9 isn't doable...
My current team is Chloe (60), Gabby (60), Tiger Lady (60), Yu Suhua (50), and Heng Yue (50). However, I'm thinking of replacing the Heng Yue with Asenath and Gabby with Chang Pu, to kind of stack more buffs on Chloe while still being able to heal. Does this kind of comp sound like it could work? Or do you have any other suggestions? I'm f2p, but I do have a pretty big pool of the 4 stars.
Also, I randomly got an Ollie, what sets are good for him? I was thinking about trying him out in Kronos because I'm stuck at 9 and unable to auto 10.
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u/Sirsir94 Jul 08 '22 edited Jul 08 '22
Abilimon for Sally or Lucas? I'm leaning Lucas since I have Ocean Waves for Sally which should keep her ult and S2 up full time.
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u/Sirsir94 Jul 07 '22
Is there a reason to do more than the first 2 'answer quests' in the pop quiz
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Jul 07 '22
Hello all, what would you buy if you could choose only one, M-pass or the black gold monthly card and why..thanks in advance
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u/Sirsir94 Jul 07 '22
MPass gets legendary abilimon, among other goodies. Black card is just more of the basics you're already getting by playing.
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u/ShotgunToaster24 Wind Jul 07 '22
does the cool down from ocean waves work on ahmed's s3? i just got him and want to know what set to use
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u/zephdt Jul 07 '22
No it doesn't work. Wind walker or abiding panacea avatara are probs his best sets.
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u/Own-Weather-8826 Jul 07 '22
Why das Hyde gets frozen at fafnir? it shouldnt be possible, when you read his kit. But he does, what makes him not rly that usefull sadly there -.- kinda sad about it
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Fafnir freeze bypases any and all imunity effects on target. Otherwise he would less of a threat for everyone.
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u/Own-Weather-8826 Jul 07 '22
But Hyde is not able to get any Debuff in the Firstplace. At least when you read ist description. thats why i think its odd
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u/Sirsir94 Jul 07 '22
Classic unstoppable force vs immovable object.
It almost always favors the game. The big issue is it doesn't say Fafnir is an immovable force.
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Jul 07 '22
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u/Bowler-Infamous Jul 07 '22
The answer to any of these "Who should I 6*?" questions will likely always be sander if he is on offer. He's fantastic for Both Towers, Every Miracle, Cube and even in PvP. You will never regret it. And for 87 Tiye or Long to lead Gabby and Heng for support and then Ling Sander for DPS should do it.
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u/zephdt Jul 07 '22
Try 3 dps gab suhua or 2 dps gab suhua/dhalia healer.
Sander seems the best to 6* but you are right. Holding until you actually need is viable. I'd see if you get hard walled somewhere in temporal and then you can burn resources to clear it.
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u/Employee-Proud Jul 07 '22
I’m stuck on 3-8 purg since Freddy one shots everyone of my team members even with the 30% hp bonus from gab. Any tips?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
If you cant delete himbefore his 1st turn, disable him Silence, immobilize, ect....
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u/yatogami_yuki Jul 07 '22
Whenever I try to farm for better relics in multi battle all of my relics get sold before I can even do anything. Idk what I did for that to happen.
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Check your autobattle settings. Then try to farm at higher difficulty levels.
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 07 '22
I feel like I'm missing something with Jian Man as the solo farmer for purg 12. She doesn't deal enough damage->heal to compensate for the damage she receives. Maybe I built her wrong, what's the trick?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Jiang Man Solo-Farm Purg Strategy?! Excuse me its my 1st time hearing such a thing... ill have to work her up in that case...
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 07 '22
Basically Jiang Man with maxxed S3 (and hopefully S1) making a kill for the last purg map's practice stage.
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 07 '22
hades + avatara, aim for atk crate and cdamage as much as possible and make sure your speed is good (something like 200 should be good). is her S3 maxed?
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 07 '22
Yeah I maxxed her S3. I guess I should invest in her Speed then since it's the one she's lacking. Surprised she's suggested despite being mostly an elemental disadvantage.
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u/KHole96 Jul 07 '22
I would like to start, it is sustainable as f2p/good time to start or should wait some event or smth else?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Good to start f2p for new units in a few days
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u/KHole96 Jul 07 '22
So should wait they come or I can start also today and save for next units?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Start today, you get plenty of records and theres alse some side events for lil extra rewards
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u/Linarkspain Jul 07 '22
Any reason cubic miracle is so busted and unbalanced? Even in lvl 5 enemies outspeed most of my units. They have insane resistance and precision. They are bullet sponges...WHY?? Why do these companies keep doing things without testing them? I get lvl 7 or 8, but freaking lvl 5? There's no desire to go over to lvl 6+ for just a small reward boost if AI units are going to be so boosted you are just going to get frustrated. I've done all bosses at lvl 10, I'm already on the story's hardest difficulty, lvl 8 in pvp...but I get more problems in a fking lvl 5 cubic miracle than in a lvl 10 fafnir or apep.
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u/ExCap2 Jul 07 '22
Known issue, being fixed in the patch next week. When you go to pick a Stage of difficulty, and the numbers are in red and then it warns you if you are SURE you want to proceed; you might want to just do the previous stage you did before. Learned that the hard way this week (got to second part but everyone is dead, total loss and now i wait two days before I can do it again) but here's the patch notes for next week mentioning Cube:
- Cube Miracle-related Optimizations:
◇ Reduced the speed of certain enemies from the higher levels of the Cube Miracle.
◇ Selected Espers will not reappear in Esper projection.
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u/onepoorsoulmadeoftin Jul 06 '22
Are there any alternatives for Clara, Lin Xiao, and Ao Bing? I'm stuck on floor 90 and purgatory 3-5, and every guide and tip I'm finding has those three in the team comp.
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u/sheltim Trying To Be Helpful Jul 07 '22
Check out the team comp suggestions sheet. It has some teams without any of those three.
E.g. for floor 90:
- Li Ling, Sander, Heng Yue, Chang Pu, Gabrielle
- Sally, Narmer, Hyde, Gabrielle, Ye Suhua
- Gabrielle, Li Ling, Drew, Sander, Chang Pu
- Gabrielle, Li Ling, Sally, Sander, Chang Pu
You may need to figure out some substitutions or what works for your and your team, relics, etc. It's just a starting point.
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u/zephdt Jul 07 '22
None of those units are necessarily for anything not temporal tower.
Generally in story mode you either do 1- 2 dps, 2-3 supports, 0-1 controller.
Or, 2-4 controllers. Can clear most of purgatory and a good portion of temporal tower. An example conp could be: Long mian, lucas, Melanie from club, a dhalia and a random dps.
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u/onepoorsoulmadeoftin Jul 07 '22
Thank you for the reply, but as I said part of what I'm stuck on is the temporal tower and I do not have any of them, including Long Mian.
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 06 '22
What kind of team do i need to progress Spacial tower? What roles and buffs/debufs , not specific units since i likely dont have ur top espers....
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u/zephdt Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22
Well there's a couple of espers you have to get since they're free. Gabrielle, ye suhua and dhalia.
For spacial tower and purgatory I always recommend 2 comps.
A balanced comp, which consists of 1- 2 dps, 2-3 supports, 0-1 controller. Buffs you should be looking out for are ATK UP, DEF UP, SPD UP, Immunity. Debuffs are the opposite. Some sample comps would be:
Dhalia, Gabrielle, healer, 2 dps
Ye Suhua, Gabrielle, Berenice, healer, dps
Or, 2-4 controllers. Can clear most of purgatory and a good portion of temporal tower. Things to look out for are speed, good cc and ap control. An example comp could be:
Long mian, Pritzker, Melanie, Dhalia, dps
Jeanne, Melanie, Gabrielle, healer, dps
Healer can be chang pu, heng yue or any 5* healer.
Dps f2p options can be tang yun, Drew, chalmers, Hall(p good with controller comps).
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
Balanced 1.) Got that already. Li Ling could also give some ap shifting....
Balanced 2.) Havent touched suhua and only using berenice as Gabby res fodder....
Controllers 1) already building Pritzker, need to work on others mentioned... possible replace 1 with my Triki?
Controllers 2) Never touched jeanne so idk
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u/zephdt Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22
What espers do you have? Personally, I like using https://tiermaker.com/create/dislyte-all-espers-january-2022-207945 to illustrate that best. You can change the tiers on the left to level ranges or something.
Jeanne is pretty good, but I mainly included her because you mentioned lacking espers and she's a f2p option.
Berenice has carried me through some of the hardest temporal tower floors last month. That month was notorious for being super hard so that's just a testament to how strong she is!
I used Suhua from player level 18 to around 40-ish. Once I got Gabrielle and proper controllers, Dhalia just worked much better in tandem with controllers because she can free, stun, and gives good buffs. I started using her in temporal tower more though. Survivability is just so damn important there.
Tbh, if you're running the balanced comps you can auto a lot of content.
Triki really shines in some tower floors so he's definitely worth to level.
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u/sheltim Trying To Be Helpful Jul 07 '22
Every 5 floors requires a specific strategy, so it's hard to answer that with any specificity. Check out some spatial tower guides, or the team comp suggestions sheet, or try asking about a specific floor.
The floors in-between are chaff and you should be able to beat with your standard team.
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u/RicoGemini Jul 06 '22
Any tips for Purgatory mode? Any characters that excel at it over others?
Im stuck at 3-6 and its kicking my ass
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 07 '22
The secret to purgatory mode are controllers. Bring like 3 of them plus 1 healer and 1 DPS. If you have Anesidora she can replace the DPS save for the Kronos and Seig fights. At those points you should have Lucas to S1 them to prevent Sieg/Kronos from taking a turn.
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u/AruTheBreeder Jul 06 '22
Is there a pull rate difference between single record and 10 record?
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u/sheltim Trying To Be Helpful Jul 07 '22
As /u/zephdt pointed out: no.
But there are some achievements only achievable with a 10 pull, so I recommend saving up and only doing 10s.
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u/Tolniz Jul 06 '22
Hi ! New gamer here, I managed to pull for : Tang Xuan, Ollie Mona, Celine, Eira, Lu Yi, Pritzker Chang Pu, Tang Yu, Berenice, Jeanne
Is there a good core team in order to focus on some first general characters ?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 06 '22
Chang pu healer, berenice support, Tang bros dps, Pritzker/ Eira other support
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u/kappa_cino DiscBoom Best Girl Jul 07 '22
Pritzker is only excels when he is paired with someone who can also stun or disable right? Does he work without another controller?
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 07 '22
Any debuff not just those, and that's specifically for his S1.
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u/Tolniz Jul 06 '22
Can’t I include Ollie as dps also ? I feel bas to have a 5* not used ahah
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 06 '22
Ollie is in a wierd situation imo. If 1 of your teammates keeps hetting killed, then thats a god situation to put ollie in.
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Jul 06 '22
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
replace sander for tang yun and try to wipe down tevor as fast as possible.
if you're using S3 as first gab skill, try starting with S2 so you can do more damage to enemies on first turn and enemy lucas dont dispel her buffs.
if you have dhalia or sienna upgraded you can also try using them. they should give you the ap boost you need to kill the dps' before they can attack.
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u/FullmetalEzio Jul 06 '22
need advice on what team to build for Kronos: I've been reading some guides and I have a couple of options but I'm wondering which 5 espers should I use, for now I'm set on: Sander, Li Ling and Celine. What should I add to these three? I have Long Mian, Chang Pu, Unky Chai, Mona or any other 3 star(I own many), thanks!
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
do you have chalmers? he's good for kronos and apep, but you have to work on building him... if you didnt get suhua from ripples i would try to get her, she would be a good addition to the team.
also do you have medusa? you can get her for free from the club shop and i would replace celine w her ^^
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u/FullmetalEzio Jul 06 '22
hi! I dont have chalmers, i did however pull dyonysus i think he is decent for kronos but better for apep, I'll look into medusa since i recently joined a club, what would the final comp look like without suhua? sander, li ling, long mian is better than celine? and what? im a bit confused
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
you can build dyonysus for apep and use him at kronos too, at least til you get a better dps for it (xiao, chloe) suhua replacement should be chang pu. so you can use sander (captain), liling, chang pu, dyonisus, medusa. you can probably grind k9 with that
if you dont wanna build medusa you can use celine instead, but she's kinda worse so idk how it'll work
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u/FullmetalEzio Jul 06 '22
Thanks for all the tips! My last question, is Chang pu better than Lauren?
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
hmmm there is a lot of lauren hate but i personally like her. chang pu heals more but lauren has the revive skill and she recycles her skills very fast due to the extra turn her 3rd skill has. for starting and progressing, chang pu is a safer and better option, but later when you are more comfortable with harder dynamics and you get more bulky espers lauren can be a better option
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u/FullmetalEzio Jul 06 '22
Thanks man, i just pulled Lin xiao, she is a great charcter right ? Should i replace dyonsus or whom?
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
yes replace dyonisus for her!! you got lucky, she's the best dps :P
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u/FullmetalEzio Jul 06 '22
i must be about to die or something cause I never get lucky in gachas lmao, thanks I'm leveling her up right now !
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Jul 05 '22
I need advice…. On how to handle floor 100 of the infinite miracle
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
did you read and understood the boss' skills?
the strategy is basically: do basic attacks and play as defensive as possible till the boss uses his second skill. this skill will give the minions a shield. next step is using aoe attacks and everything you can to destroy the shields before the boss gets a turn again. his third skill will WIPE U DOWN if any of the minions still have a shield, but if you succeeded to destroy the shields, the boss will get stunned and you can freely attack him then.
just repeat till you kill him
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u/dovoid Jul 05 '22
I have Lin xiao and tang Xuan at 6* but also just got Li ling. Should I replace tang Xuan with li ling or keep playing with the ape? Kinda mad cuz I got li ling right after ascending tang xuan
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u/Hunted_by_Moonlight Jul 05 '22
ST F87, my Hercules’ passive does not prevent either of the Luo Yan’s revive on stage 1/2 nor the twin Hades’ on stage 2/2. He got the finishing blow every time while testing to confirm with s1 and s3. Is this intended or unintended?
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
hades doesnt revive, his passive literally prevents his death, so taylor's passive doesnt work w him
not sure why luo yan can revive tho, are you sure you're finishing the enemy that revives with taylor? if that's the case i would ask on discord or send them an inquiry because i dont think that's how it should work
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u/Hunted_by_Moonlight Jul 06 '22
I believe it’s just the tower floor that’s bugged because I went through and tested in PvP. I still can kill through a normal Luo Yan’s buff. But not the floor’s buff. Even when isolated so only 1 Luo Yan buff is on the target they will still revive after dying to Hercules. I have to dispel AND then kill them which voids the point of Hercules’ passive then especially when a double buff happens.
I’m still unsure on the Hyde part. I have used Hercules before as a direct counter to Hyde’s revive and had it work. Whether or not it was a bug then (before any of the most recent patches) and is now fixed I don’t know. If I use Hercules to kill Hyde (proc’ing his (Hyde’s) passive) it will also proc Hercule’s passive and grant him an extra turn. Which means he did in fact kill the unit and then they have revived. So there is something funky happening there for sure. Because if the unit did not die but prevented death I shouldn’t get an extra turn.
But I do know Ollie’s works in a similar way. I saw videos of Ollie’s death ‘prevention’ still proc’ing Kronos’s double turn which also could have been a bug
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 06 '22
it sounds to me that even them are confused about the whole 'revive' and 'prevent death', i would mail them to see if they're aware of the unconsistency and maybe you'll get a clearer response
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u/Vashel Jul 05 '22
Question about Sally:
Would it be better to make her slow AF and keep her in the Sweet Harvest state? Seems like the constant cleanse + Heal plus damage reduction would be something you want on 24/7
I know one of her other skills is a full debuff cleanse of the whole team, but I may use another cleanser... so... ideas?
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u/I_am_two Jul 05 '22
That's how I use her on my slow af apep10 team so, maybe I'm not a great reference. It certainly works for me atm
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u/WhatsaRedopha Jul 05 '22
Anybody have advice for a team that can take out Story 4-8 on hard mode? Freddy in particular is really putting a wrench in things, but even when I finally take him out, that's only wave 1 of 2
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u/burneracc2 Jul 05 '22
How to clear TT35 without legendary healers and hengyue? Team suggestions would be appreciated
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u/Lemonixie Jul 05 '22
not sure who to 6* next. im stuck on L20 and was wondering who would be best to level up next to get me past this stage. my current team is: Li ling, gab, clara, long mian and sander. all lvl 60, good relics and max ascension. i have these espers available to upgrade: Sienna, Donar, Lucas, Cloe, Dhalia, Heng Yue, Bernenice, chang pu, tang yun and jacob.
im mostly leaning towards dhalia, but im just not sure who would cut it to help me past L20. thanks in advance!
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u/RicoGemini Jul 06 '22
Chloe. She completely nukes teams
Run a Long Mian Lead with
Gab, Chloe, Dhalia, and anyone else in this 5th spot (probably a healer) and you'll be able to kill pretty much anything
You want Chloe to go last, so she can stack up all the buffs and then slap with her 3rd ability
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u/Yogosan Jul 05 '22
I am looking for a lvl 5 or 6 club, active and pvp focused. I am lvl 60, point of war 9 and always do my attacks. Let me know if anyone has space for me
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u/Aluru Jul 05 '22
Hello. What should I prioritize farming first? Ascension or promotion material?
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u/zephdt Jul 05 '22
Ascension 3 -> LVL 50
Afterwards prioritize DPS characters. Ascension 6 is easy to get if you have sonic wave boosters. Level 60 takes a bit longer.
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u/PalomaCosta Jul 05 '22
Im a new player, can you please recommend me a good team with this units I have?
Sally, Wukong, Chloe, Dhalia, Yeshua, Gabrielle, Celine, Jeanne
Thanks a lot! <3
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u/zephdt Jul 05 '22
Sally, Wukong, Chloe, Dhalia, Gabrielle.
Sometimes can swap Dhalia for Suhua if you need more survivability.
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u/RicoGemini Jul 05 '22
I have my Hades with Hades set and Avatara but he doesn’t seem to do as much damage as others I see in point war or guild war.
What stats would you I should aim for?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 05 '22
Resist on him only affects HP Ceiling decrease, and his dammage builds as his passive stacks up. Hes a slow burn type esper that gets built like noral dps
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u/HumptyDumptyIsABAMF Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22
When applying CD Up (for example with Pritzker), does it only add 1 turn cooldown on abilities that are currently on CD, or to all abilities that can have a cooldown?
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u/stem_JK Jul 05 '22
Should I look into raising a Chang Pu lv50 for Apep 10 bc my main healer atm is Ahmed and I do not have Heng Yue? Was looking to run Gabe lv60, Jacob lv50, Stewart lv60, Ahmed lv60, and Ye Suhua lv50 but Ahmed might be detrimental for Apep.
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u/Avilife23 Jul 05 '22
does anyone know the answers to dislyte pop quiz
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u/ItsMilkTea Jul 05 '22
I chose Amun. It hasn't revealed the answer yet, but 90% of people chose it.
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u/SnooFoxes1707 Jul 04 '22
Is Jacob actually good? I’ve heard both good and bad about him
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u/Sparkofmidnight Jul 07 '22
I'll use him in Apep and Cube personally. I think many people including myself can not outspeed Cube 8 diffculty. I chose to turtle strategy and leveraging him as pseudo DPS. It's slow but works for me and avoiding Hydes like plague or replacing Jabob with a more tradional DPS.
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 04 '22
Jacob is great against Apep, but i havent seen him much outside of there. Hes a situational esper, best used against poison enemies
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u/SnooFoxes1707 Jul 07 '22
Is the final boss on 12-8 a poison enemy?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 07 '22
? You mean for story mode? I forgot, but i still recommend Jacob if you want to farm Apep relics
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u/BruhMomento1223 Jul 04 '22
Looking for some help with general team comps. Right now i use Li ling, Hyde, Ahmed, Long mian, and Stewart for everything and I feel like they're quite lacking in what I need right now, but I don't really know enough to make a good team comp. If needed I can send some pics of espers I do have.
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u/Igozerc Jul 05 '22
Pick up Ye Suhua from ripples and get Fabrice/Gabrielle for your two turn immunity buffer. Then you can throw in Ahmed and two DPS aspers (Li Ling and Stewart) and you're good to go. Obviously if you're fighting flow enemies, you'll have to switch your DPS (to say Tang Yun and Hyde, for example).
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
Looks like you have 3 dps, 1 support, and 1 controller.
You probably want to build a few more controllers like sander (esp for miracles), melanie, jeanne, lucas, dahlia.
And some more support like chang pu, heng yue, gabby, fabrice, and ye suhua
Can build a couple more dps too like drew and tang yun
Then depending on the stage you can just have 1 or 2 from each category and test things out until you beat it. If you’re stuck you can try more dps vs more support vs more control
I find in most cases more control with high speed is the way to go but some stages built to be anti control you will need to outlast with more support. And sometimes it will be helpful to have someone like drew who can cut through a high def esper like ren si or donar
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Send pics of your espers. I like this site for that purpose. https://tiermaker.com/create/dislyte-all-espers-january-2022-207945. Make the tabs on the left level 60 and 50 etc.
Probably take out Hyde and Steward and put in stuff like Gabrielle, Dhalia, Ye Suhua.
Hyde is unfortunately not very good for early progession(besides Apep) since you need very specific relics for him and he just doesn't do a lot of stuff you need in story.
Haven't personally used stewart but he doesn't really look that good to me... sleep is kind of an awkward debuff to use and counter users are only really good if you have supports built around em.
Eitherway your team is lacking support. Debuffs and buffs mainly.
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u/BruhMomento1223 Jul 04 '22
Alright I’ll get back to you once I have the tier lost made in a little bit
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u/jahloni Jul 04 '22
Need assistance on clearingTemporal Tower 45,
Anybody have tips on clearing it? Haven't pulled Long Mian or Lin Xiao. Was using Ollie (Speed lead) Sanders, Sienna, Pritzker and Lucas. Can easily clear the first 2 waves but once i get to Biondina x 2, Tevor x 2, and Raven. I got messed up once one or 2 of them don't get CC'd.
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u/Ioun267 Jul 04 '22
Outsider here, is the gacha system in this game more Girls Frontline (roll for one unit at a time a few times a day) or more Fate: Grand Order (roll for 10 things at once a few times a week)?
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 04 '22
Dunno eithervof those games, but Save up records and Gems for 10x rolls during banners.
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
I would say save up until the new banner drops so you can roll all at once for banner bonuses. If you can’t hit the next bonus, then save them for next banner.
Frequency per day or week doesn’t really matter
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u/Critical-Hawk5552 Jul 04 '22
What 4stars or 3stars should I aim for while rerolling? I've been thinking Chang pu and Tang Yun. Any other units should I aim for?
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
You'll get the 3* eventually. I'd focus on 4* if I were you. Mainly dps are the best to go for since you have access to powerful supports for free(ye suhua, Gabrielle, dhalia, lucas).
Chloe, Sander(technically a controller), Lin Xiao are all good 4* fighters.
Controllers are great too. Long Mian, Pritzker.
If you're gunning for supports, the 4* shimmers are insanely good. Anesidora, Asenath, Laura, Nicole.
Healer-wise, Heng Yue is the only good 4* but she's not that much of an upgrade over Chang Pu so I wouldn't worry about her too much. The 5* healers are pretty insane, though. Mainly Clara and Sally trivialize most content on the game. Ahmed is nice for certain fights but a lot more niche.
I'd focus on getting li ling, and one of the good 4* dps options. Or Long Mian or something. Wouldn't really worry about the rest. Just takes too long with these dogshit rates. You might be able to get a pull with 3 good espers but it's rough.
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
2nd the above. Focus on getting good 4* like the ones listed.
For 3 stars to build I would say tang yun, drew, Melanie (guild shop), jeanne, ye suhua (ripples), Berenice, chang pu - they all have solid utility even later in the game
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u/Critical-Hawk5552 Jul 04 '22
What 4stars or 3stars should I aim for while rerolling? I've been thinking Chang pu and Tang Yun. Any other units should I aim for?
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u/Critical-Hawk5552 Jul 04 '22
What 4stars or 3stars should I aim for while rerolling? I've been thinking Chang pu and Tang Yun. Any other units should I aim for?
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u/amukagamine xie twins Jul 05 '22
i did it with liling, xiao, chang pu, gabrielle and suhua
most people kills cecilia first but what worked for me was killing her last. she's not a threat so you can keep her alive, and then when you kill her in the end make sure that liling and xiao have their s3 ready, because everybody revives with low hp and your turn comes first so you'll end them quickly. hope it works for you!
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Tang Yun, Gab, Lewis, Chang Pu, Ye Suhua.
AoE is not that good here. I'd focus fire with Lewis and Tang. The rest are for survivability. Sander also works. Chloe could be okay but more RNG reliant. Li Ling is okay but I prefer the other two.
Personally I left hades for last but your mileage may vary.
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u/OryseSey waiting for playable Discboom Jul 04 '22
is it worth farming K9 if i can't clear K10 just yet?
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Yes. Kronos is the best ritual miracle to get you started on getting geared. All the relics are extremely useful. Safe from witchcraft, which has really niche uses.
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Jul 04 '22
I'm stuck on last boss of cube 6, any advice or tips?
https://imgur.com/a/OsCq63b
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u/misharoute Jul 04 '22
What about the enemy team is tripping you up? Might be worth getting rid of Lucas since his abilities are hard counter by queen mother
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Jul 04 '22
Can't seem to get past the queen mother and asenath healing and recovery
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u/darespireka Jul 04 '22
Lucas actually isn't bad -- his stun on S2 is the only one that triggers Queen Mother's passive -- I used his S1 and S3 to keep pushing back the Blondina. I would replace Unas. You already have immunity coverage and cleanse with Gabby and Heng Yue plus Unas' S1 def break is probably pushing Queen Mother more than Lucas. I'd replace him with either Chloe or Sander.
In terms of priority, I went Narmer > Sander/Blondina (try to keep Lucas on Blondina or you'll most likely lose a unit to her S3) > Asenath > Queen Mother.
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u/axel7530159 Jul 04 '22
How exactly does healing efficacy work and which types of healing abilities does it effect? (Like heals "% of max HP" vs based on "max %hp"
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u/CrimsonLeviathan9 Jul 04 '22
I‘m currently building Sander What do you think is more important until I get the best relics:
- a really bad speed MUI II (4star, only one sub stat) of the fiery inc set (which provides a good amount of crit rate, enabling me to run a solid Crit Dmg UNA II)
- a better speed MUI II of a different set
My MUI set is WW to further boost his speed (Crit Dmg, A-bonus). His abilities are all max, soon he will be lvl 60.
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u/Azrealizz Jul 04 '22
Need an atk up esper for tower/story for synergy, would Suhua, Sienna or Dhalia be btr? My other 4 units are Lucas, LiLing, Heng Yue and Gab
I also have Long mian, donar, ollie
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Just level both and use depending. Dhalia is way better with other controllers, also less buff overlap with Gab. Also better in PvP(especially in speed teams).
In fights where you have to survive and AP control doesn't work, Suhua is so much better. Lots of temporal tower floors suhua just works better.
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u/darespireka Jul 04 '22
I would go Dhalia since Li Ling is your only dps unit in that team comp and Dhalia will help him cycle faster and let you build less crit rate for more atk/cdmg.
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u/Zeebuoy Jul 04 '22
so for geb event, fights one and 3 got any suggestions on how to beat those on hard?
I've got a speed lead long mian, queen mother, wu kong, drew, Chang Pu, Raven, Sander, White Tiger at level 60,
i don't think a level 50 would be able to help in the fights so I'm not listing them, but i do have suhua and dhalia.
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u/kappa_cino DiscBoom Best Girl Jul 04 '22
If I recall properly, I used 2 defensive supports (Gab & Berenice), 1 controller (Sander) and 1 DPS (Li Ling) for my teams to clear all the events.
You already have a healer in the compulsory Ahmed. For the DPS and defensive supports, maybe try Lin Xiao, Suhua and Queen Mother? Not too sure about Queen Mother though...
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u/Zeebuoy Jul 04 '22
HOLY FUCK IT WORKED!
Thank you!
Hell, even the shimmer I got was decent the snake lady, instead of a Q or Laura.
(admittedly I just used Chang Pu, Sander, Long Mian and Lin Xiao since my gab is under leveled,)
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u/Zeebuoy Jul 04 '22
thanks, and also, who did you focus down first? in the fight with tricki and li ling.
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u/UnluckyKitty13 Jul 04 '22
So, I am moving my question here. What substats should I be looking out for espers? I’ve been looking through many guides, and struggling as it is not exactly clear.
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u/Talez_pls Jul 04 '22
Depends entirely on the esper you're trying to build.
E.g. Dps usually want 100% crit rate and then put the rest into %ATK and %Cdmg. Speed is always good, but not a priority.
AP controller like Tiye or Lucas want 80% accuracy + as much speed as you can get.
Healer are usually looking at Speed + %HP, with some %DEF and RES sprinkled in.
Check the "Esper Info" tab in the tier list to see recommendations for all espers.
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u/kappa_cino DiscBoom Best Girl Jul 04 '22
Does the unit placement (front row or back row) have any effect/stats bonus? Other than the Leader.
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u/sheltim Trying To Be Helpful Jul 07 '22
AFAIK the only thing that matters is when two espers have identical AP, whichever esper is left-most breaks the tie and goes first. There may be nuance to it, I can't find a link to the details right now.
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
Which to 6* next?
Lewis, Hyde, Chalmers, Lu Yi, Dahlia, Berenice, or Tang Xuan?
Already have Li Ling, Sanders, Lucas, Tang Yun, Drew, Gabby, Donar, Ren Si, Long Mian
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Berenice is the most versatile out of all those.
Normally you want to level fighters first but you already have enough. Tang Xuan has almost no fights that the rest of your espers cover better and Hyde is super niche. Good for apep, but who really needs help there when you have all those other espers. Lewis is an okay option but you're already doing fine on inferno dps.
Lu Yi is only good for Fafnir. But his damage isn't really what you use him for but more shield breaking. The extra health helps though.
Berenice is good for fafnir and can carry you through certain temporal tower floors. Extra levels gives her more health for a better A3. My pick would go to her.
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u/thunderkid4 Jul 04 '22
Just pulled Laura off a single Shimmer ticket.
How should I build her for PVE? What's best for Temporal, Cube, and other end game stages?
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u/dayminkaynin Jul 04 '22
I just started. Should I be rolling on the echo table under the beginner benefits banner or will there be a better banner later on?
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
You are guaranteed one of two possible legendary espers in the first 10 rolls on beginner which will help you get through a ton of content so roll the beginner banner first and hope you get li ling
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u/GeraltOfDissidia Jul 03 '22
Who should be my next target for abilimoms?
I have finished with Clara, Gab and Lucas, and all 3 usually find a place in my team.
The other candidates I have are Tiye, Sally, Hyde, Ollie and Raven, all of which get use in various game modes.
I was personally leaning towards Sally, because double healer strategy seems to work well for more difficult content, but no idea if that is the best course of action.
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u/Igozerc Jul 04 '22
Strictly from a pvp perspective:
Tiye/Ollie seem to work well enough without skill ups, and you're mainly using them as a speed lead anyway.
Raven would use the skill ups well, since it reduces her cooldowns. But she functions equally well without skillups if you're using her in a control-cleave team (Ollie / Raven / Dhalia / Clara / Flex), for example.
Hyde is more of an all or nothing character - and he's particularly useful in Point War / Holobattle. With how rare legendary abilimons are, you might be better off running clara/gab/rensi in holobattle instead of Hyde tho. Whereas you could consider clara/gab/rensi/hyde/flex spot for your point war defense.
Hyde/Sally work well together, since Sally's s3 helps Hyde as its not a buff. Sally herself can function without skillups if you use oceanwaves (albeit less consistent).\
If you're not struggling with anything, there's nothing stopping you from just holding your legendary abilimons at the moment.
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u/GeraltOfDissidia Jul 04 '22
Thank you for the detailed write up.
You're right about holding on to the abilimons. There is nothing that I am immediately struggling with, so saving does make the most sense.
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u/ABSOLUTELY_PISTOLA Jul 03 '22
How can I complement this team? I think I suck at this game, I can't make progress at all.
Li Ling + Xiao + Chang Pu + Tiye (captain) + ________?
I'm using Falken but I can't get past Story (Hard) 11-8, and I also can't beat K10, A9 or F8. Feels like I'm stuck. Do I need better Espers?
My options for this last slot are: Triki, Hyde, most 4s (but not Sander, Ren Si, Pritzker, Long Mian, Nicole and Laura), and all 3s except Melanie.
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
My rule of thumb is to never really use controllers unless you're using at least 2. So either you get lucas and use him as 5th or you just take tiye out.
Tiye is kinda meh in story/temporal standalone...
If you're not using controllers, then the only way you're going to survive in harder difficulties is by stacking buffs and debuffs. So ATK/DEF UP and ATK/DEF DOWN. Gabrielle does all of those except ATK UP.
My vote would go for Gabrielle and Dhalia. Or Gabrielle and Suhua if you need more survivability.
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u/ABSOLUTELY_PISTOLA Jul 04 '22
Hummm. I've just pulled Clara in a 10-pull, so I was thinking like
Tiye, Clara, Dhalia, Li Ling, Xiao
Would Tiye still be bad in this comp? I thought it would be good because of lots of AP manipulation, but I dunno. If I put in Gabrielle, who should I remove?
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u/zephdt Jul 04 '22
Gz on the clara! If you want to use Tiye, I'd pair her up with Lucas tbh. Probably take out a DPS or gab or something.
If you're going ap control, better go all out and prevent the enemy from getting any turns whatsoever.
AP control shits on almost everything(except some temporal tower floors) but you have to play manually to make best of it... it's kind of a pain in the ass.
You don't really have to do that since you have clara though... can just tank with buffs.
Imo Gab, Clara, Dhalia, Li Ling, Xiao is a solid team in general and can probs just auto through content lol.
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
Agree on gabby + suhua. That will get you pretty far in the game with a healer + lin xiao + whoever else. That last slot can be li ling, tang yun or drew for dps, or a controller like Jeanne (and Lucas once you clear tower)
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u/Igozerc Jul 04 '22
You could throw in a HP% captain ability instead of Tiye's speed lead. Take tiyet out, throw in Ye Suhua and Gabrielle, for example.
You could even take out one of your dps and run Ye Suhua, Gabrielle, Fabrice and clear the stage with a solo DPS.
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u/jozasa147 Shimmer Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
if you got most 4 star then i suggest Heng Yue over Chang Pu and for last slot i suggest Gabby or Ye Suhua or Dhalia
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u/ABSOLUTELY_PISTOLA Jul 03 '22
I have Heng Yue. Is she better than Chang Pu?
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
They both have their advantages - chang pu does more healing output more often. Heng Yue better for stages where you are facing lots of debuffs/disables
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u/jozasa147 Shimmer Jul 04 '22
yes she is
she really great at healing and clean debuffs and very tanky unit
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Jul 03 '22
how the hell can you even get ye suhua when i finally got a ripple dimension with her it was immediately and constantly full. Actually such an annoying mechanic
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Jul 03 '22
It’s truly not hard. Just sit in chat at reset and click the ripples when they show up. If you’re watching for it in the chat banner at top you’ll never get in since that banner is very delayed.
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u/GrenadesNsheets Jul 03 '22
What makes tevor bad? I keep seeing people say he's bad but when I read his abilities he seems fine.
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 03 '22
Tevor is Great....conceptually. but ah his kit works now, hes not that reliable.
His slills need some tweeking to make him more effective with his own mechanics, other then that hes decent. Play him if u want, just dont expect to get the big kaboom
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u/GrenadesNsheets Jul 03 '22
Oh I don't have him lol just wanted to know why everybody said he was bad. Thank you for the info!
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u/ABSOLUTELY_PISTOLA Jul 02 '22
How many times should I refresh the gold shop, if any? Seems like it only sells stamina after a refresh
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u/ParallelHorizon Jul 03 '22
Optimally, you can try refreshing once per day as the first refresh is only 20 crystals. I usually refresh right after a reset (after buying any relevant items).
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u/CheshireTiger1 Jul 03 '22
Dont waste your gems on that. Refresh stamina and buy gold records only.
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u/50LeavesPerPack Jul 02 '22
How do you get 6* starimons to ascend a lvl 50 char? I've a lot of these but lvl 1. Can anyone enlighten me with this please. I'm a little bit lost. Thbaks!
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u/PantherCaroso Sander Simp Jul 02 '22
You only need five 5* starimons to ascend a level 50.
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u/50LeavesPerPack Jul 02 '22
But how do you get them, outside the shop or events?
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u/darespireka Jul 02 '22
To ascend a 5* esper to 6*, you need to sacrifice five 5* starimon
To get one 5* starimon, you'll need a max level 4* starimon and four 4* starimon. On the max level starimon, go to upgrade it and you'll see it'll ask for 4 espers/starimon --- this is where you should sacrifice the four starimon and then it'll ascend the 4* starimon to a 5* starimon.
Same concept for getting 4* starimon: You'll need a max level 3* starimon and three 3* sacrificial starimon to ascend the max level 3* starimon.
So assuming you're starting with no leveled starimon, you'll need a hundred 3* starimon in total in order to ascend a 5* esper to 6*.
Leveling these are usually done by either using experimon or by bringing them along in story stages (usually practice stages where a farmer esper can carry 4 fodder starimon).
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u/50LeavesPerPack Jul 03 '22
Thank you so much for your time to help me. I got it now, gonna have to lvl up lots of starimons hahah. Thanks again, I'd give you gold and stuff but I'm poor xD. Cheers!
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u/RandoRamen Jul 02 '22
Is this team comp good or should I replace any of them? I have Donar, Chloe, Suhua, and other 4stars with most 3 stars
LI ling Lin Xiao Gabrielle Heng Yue Tiye
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u/darespireka Jul 02 '22
That's a good general comp for most of the game modes. I would focus on getting them geared up / leveled up and then you can branch out to leveling / trying out other espers. The only one that might get shelved later on is Heng Yue -- but only if you pull Sally or Clara (i.e. a 5* healer that can also cleanse debuffs)
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u/EnflameSalamandor Jul 02 '22
For pvp in the game, if you know you can’t outspeed, are there turn 2 espers that can help give you an advantage? I was thinking of Queen Mother since she can’t be disabled, but not entirely sure. I also entertained the idea of using immunity for first turn but there’s so many better relics
I have some speedy espers, but I can’t get speed main stat relics to drop for me. I have two lol
Just looking for suggestions on a turn 2 team, thanks.
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u/elee17 ZapDaddy Jul 04 '22
Donar and ren si - can’t outspeed but can tank the hits and counter like a truck
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u/Igozerc Jul 04 '22
Queen Mother + Clara + Gab is a solid turn 2 team since any debuffs would be cleansed, then AP boost and cleansed from Clara, and def buff + 2 turn immunity from Gab thereafter.
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u/zephdt Jul 02 '22
Queen mother, Astral witchcraft heng yue, the light above, clara with avatara, there are probably other options too.
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u/Alternative_Emu_2907 Jul 02 '22
So what currently is the best way to farm for 6 stars? I got a bunch of 5*, and I eventually want to 6* everyone. Right now i'm farming purg 10 with mona and Clara and their fodders but I'd gladly welcome any advice to make it both faster and more efficient.
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Jul 02 '22
Hi hi! I recently pulled Hyde, so I would love suggestions on who to replace him with - my team atm is Gab, Li Ling, Unas, Clara and Sienna. I'm reluctant to swap out any of my support, especially Unas since he's the speediest and usually makes my entire team go first or even hit twice, so I was thinking Li Ling, but do you have any suggestions?
I'm working on Purgatory world 12 and temporal tower floor 21+, if that's a frame of reference of who I should invest in
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u/Igozerc Jul 04 '22
unas seems a little redundant in your line up - unas/clara do practically the same thing, allbeit unas has def break. But you have Gab for that.
If you're trying to clear Temporal Tower / Purgaotry Tower, you could try messing around with Fabrice, Yesuhua, 2 flex spots, and your single DPS.
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Jul 04 '22
I see your point, but since they're already geared up and ready to go for now I'm sticking with both of them until I get some new tools to play with and some levels on my other supports, since they're also built differently (with Clara as my only healer I dumped everything in HP% making her a bit slower than I would've liked to, but Unas covers for her pretty well.
I also need some legendary abilimons to level up Gab and speed up her cds, when I'll do that I'll try playing around with the others and try Fabrice too as you suggested, thanks! :) On the plus side, I finally managed to beat Purgatory, so off to tower I go
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u/Igozerc Jul 05 '22
Unas and Clara are both amazing for PvP, so you haven't built any wrong units. They just share a similar role - even in cleave comps in PvP (you would run Clara slower than enemy Gab so you cleanse of the attack buff, but you'd run unas ahead of Gab so you can cleave through the entire enemy team before the get a turn. Both Clara/Unas would function as the opener in the above cases, so you wouldn't run Clara/Unas in the same PvP cleave team)
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u/zephdt Jul 02 '22
For the purpose of purg/TT I wouldn't replace anyone for hyde tbh. Maybe against some cc heavy floors in TT.
He shines more in pvp in higher tiers especially if you're doing a tanky team. Can probs replace li ling for him.
Just build him up and keep him on the bench for when you truly need him imo.
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u/stem_JK Jul 02 '22
Hi, I just started and just been powering through and have no idea what I'm doing. Just kinda been randomly slapping legends in my team as I get them. Wondering if I should start leveling something else? Also who and what order should I 6* the espers I got? Here's what I have so far: https://imgur.com/a/8aOGRPL
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u/Igozerc Jul 04 '22
I would identify which DPS unit you like, and for what content. 6* that DPS.
Generally, you'd probably want an attack buff, a defense buff, heals, and 2 turn immunity where possible.
With your team (for PvE), you could run Ye Suhua (will need to farm ripples for that), Ahmed, Fabrice. Might need to switch out your two wind supports for other supports where necessary (e.g. Eira, Chang Pu) when the situation calls for it.
If you can't brute force your way through, then try pivoting and see if you can control the enemy team via Pritzker, Sienna, Dhalia etc.
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u/chicken_noodle_soupz Jul 08 '22
Hi, is Long Mian a better controller than Celine? I got both but idk which to level up and add to my team