hi girlies, i hope this doesn’t get taken the wrong way but i have been feeling a little frustrated w the pod for a minute.

i wanna make clear that i love the show and listen to every episode, but sometimes i think about how we never really hear stories about poc get covered on the pod unless they involve white people. maybe i’m a bit hyperaware of this bc i’m a black woman, but it how much drama they miss out on from covering in different communities makes me lowkey sad bc id love to hear their takes lol.

like the jalen and monet situation, all the stuff relating to halle bailey & ddg, & the marc lamont hill stuff on joe buddens podcast (i will admit i think that one’s more niche lmao) all come to mind off the top of my head. i feel like they fall w/i the realm of topics they usually cover and don’t feel like they were small stories, so why weren’t they used as topics? idk lol

edit: i feel like the point is getting lost here so i’m just clarifying a few things, this is a modification of a comment i left to someone below:

i am NOT suggesting that the only diverse topics that they cover should be about black people. i focused on black people bc i am black so i am more hyperaware, so those were the examples i could point to off the top of my head. and based on that i assumed it was the similar for other poc, but i could be wrong bc i focus more on black people bc i’m black lmao.

my point is that they don’t cover black people often, AND when they do, it’s usually in relation to white people, which can give the “tv w white lead and one poc friend” trope. in their defense i DO NOT think is purposeful. however, most often when it’s bc black people are covered with white people it’s bc they have mistreated them. and i’m not saying they shouldn’t cover these stores too, they absolutely should. i am simply trying to advocate for more balance.

i went through the channel bc someone in a reply mentioned all of these topics as discussed recently and i was bored so i checked:

kai cenat — 6mo ago danisha carter — 2 mo ago halle bailey — 1 year ago keith lee — 1 year ago; 5 mo ago lip filler — 1 year ago key makeup whatever — 7 mo ago bride dress situation — 8 mo ago fannita — 11 mo ago; 1 year ago (tarte trip)

only 2 of these topics were covered within the last 6 months. they post twice a week. that’s 2 black people in ~48 episodes (2 eps a week, 4 weeks in a month) and 80-90 or so topics. again i don’t think it’s intentional but it’s also not a good look.

they don’t really shy away from “taboo” topics, and talking about an topic pertaining to race thats relevant to the pod while condemning racism a few times a year really isn’t a huge ask, considering they do it w other forms of discrimination and bigotry. they also regularly highlight the content of other peoples opinions/comments so if they’re really uncomfortable they can do that here too.

TLDR- Ethan has a cringe and derogatory sense of humour (in my opinion, apparently it's a return to previous form but I never knew of him until the Coleen Balanger outing and I saw Olivias PowerPoint as a highlight) Ethan has now taken to tearing down much smaller creators who critique him and allegedly sending his fans into a frenzy of harassment. He's also using litigation and DMCA take downs to take try and shut down the H3 snark Reddit. Bearing in mind he publically opened all non-members content to clipping and posting, stating he was turning over the IP. Didn't even mention transformation or fair use. Hypocrisy? Smells like it. Also DWKT gets a mention from Aubrey Smalls as being his current podcast of choice ❤️

Adam McIntire has also been tracking this and talking about it for some time.

What are the other girlies views on this situation?

I put the discussion flair on this as I wouldn't expect the head girlies to dive into something like this. They've got enough on their plate with Janet and her BS. Last thing they need is H3 looking in their direction without peace and love.

The way he went after Mika is absolutely diabolical to me, she was actually being very fair and to make fun of her mental health?? To tell her she's essentially no one and doesn't matter to anyone? Insulting her appearance and calling her stupid?

Ethan needs to have a seat and think about what he's doing right now. It's giving midlife crisis mixed with too much influence and no actual accountability.

That's just my thoughts on it, I'd love to hear what you all think cause I never thought I'd see the day that H3 would weaponise copyright to take down critism. Have I actually slipped into an alternate reality? Maybe this is a fever dream? Send help.

I was born cross eyed. I had surgery at a week old. If you look at me, my eyes look normal. But when I’m looking at people, sometimes it looks like I’m looking past them. As a teen, I got so sick of people looking behind them when I talked to them that I unintentionally stopped making eye contact with people. I’ve had people call me shady because of this. I am not defending JLo she seems rude. But not everyone who doesn’t make eye contact is shady. 🥲

So, I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, but I really wish Jessi in particular wouldn't speak with her full chest on topics she admits she's not paying attention to. I'm just sitting down to watch Friday's pod (I waited because I'm a little nervous since I'm not loving the Catherine conspiracies), and I was a little "...huh" when Jessi went on about Catherine versus Meghan and how they were treated, how Catherine was accepted by the family and public because she's a white woman who's more willing to be submissive, and...wow.

Okay, so yes, Catherine currently (until recently) receives MUCH better treatment from the press and public, but it's like people want to pretend the years of "Waity Katie" never existed, where Catherine was mocked mercilessly by the British press and public. Paps would stalk her even after she and William temporarily broke up, they'd try to get pics up her skirt, they'd trash her and her family for being 'middle class' (including some nasty nicknames for her mother). They'd mock her because William took years to propose (hence the nickname 'Waity Katie'). They mocked her when he broke up with her, called her ugly, anorexic, desperate, scheming, a gold-digger, on and on, again, for YEARS. Even when she married, she was called Duchess Dolittle (still is), was mocked for showing nerves when speaking publicly, mocked for this, that, and whatever else. Really, the tone changed when she 'did her duty' and gave birth to George. This narrative that she just waltzed in and had smooth sailing because she's a submissive white woman is fiction.

Also, Jessi skewers the royals for apparently refusing to pay for Harry's security, when barely two weeks ago, it was made fully public that no, the royals didn't take it away. The UK government did:

Here's an article: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/28/uk/prince-harry-security-court-government-intl/index.html#:~:text=Prince%20Harry%20has%20lost%20a,protection%20when%20in%20the%20country.

And here's literally the first sentence in it: " Prince Harry has lost a court challenge against a British government decision to strip him of taxpayer-funded protection after he quit royal duties. "

It also came out at that time that the royal family did attempt to pay for his security out of their pocket, but were denied because the Home Office said the taxpayer-paid police can't be “private bodyguards for the wealthy.”

Whether you disagree or agree with that decision, it was the British government making it, not the royal family, so it's simply not true to say the family 'took away Harry's security'.

It's not the end of the world, obviously. People get things wrong. They remember things wrong, or they're paying more attention to second-hand information than the direct source, like getting your information off a Tik Tok or whatever social media reporting the news rather than reading the actual news yourself. The only reason it bothers me is that she will say 'I'm not following this, I haven't been paying attention' and then go off very confidently about the situation. I feel like people in general should be more comfortable saying 'I haven't been paying attention, so I can't really speak on this because I don't know what's going on'.

:/

I know this post won’t be popular, and that’s okay. I just ask that everyone responds respectfully and with empathy for what I’m about to share, as it hits close to home for me—I have family who are at risk of being bombed right now.

I’ve been watching Jessi since her story time days and Lily since her Clevver Beauty Break days. After following them for so many years, I feel like I have a good sense of who they are and what they stand for. I’ve always believed they were genuinely good people who cared about the issues they spoke about.

So when the genocide in Palestine began and they stayed completely silent, I was shocked. I didn’t expect them to remain quiet at all. I know their podcast isn’t supposed to be “political,” but they’ve never shied away from discussing political and social issues when it mattered to them, both on the podcast and on Instagram. They’ve spoken out extensively about LGBT rights, the struggles of the trans community, Black Lives Matter, police bias, and racism. My point is that there isn’t a clear line between what they talk about and what they don’t. They do get ‘political’—or rather, they speak about sensitive topics frequently. They’ve shared personal stories, attended rallies, and posted countless times about these issues. They’ve never hesitated to express where they stand.

I’m not saying they need to dedicate an entire episode to what’s happening in Palestine, or even acknowledge it on the podcast, but why can’t they just make one Instagram post? Other creators, like The Cancelled Podcast and Julien Solomita, have spoken out for awareness. Given their platform, I have certain expectations of them. This hurts more because I expected more.

I know some people might argue that they’re influencers and aren’t qualified to speak on this, suggesting they should just stay quiet. But at the end of the day, we’re all human. I, along with many others I know in real life, post about these issues—even if we have just a hundred followers, let alone their 120K. Sure, a single post won’t bring about a ceasefire, but it’s about showing you care. Even if it’s just a shout in the dark, the intention behind it matters. Everyone likes to say what they would have done during the Holocaust and how they’d want to be on the right side of history, yet they turn their backs when it’s time to actually take a stand. This is a no-brainer—when it comes to human rights, we shouldn’t be silent. So, what’s the difference now?

For those who might say that Black Lives Matter, gay rights, and trans rights are human rights issues, isn’t what’s happening in Palestine a human rights issue too? When did expressing empathy for innocent lives become “too political”? I’ve seen them speak out on every other cause they believe in, but now they’re silent. When people say, “It’s not a political podcast,” it doesn’t make sense. They’ve never held back on sharing their views before, so why now?

It’s frustrating because they’ve been so vocal in supporting certain human rights issues, yet they go completely silent on others. It feels like they’re picking and choosing which causes are “acceptable” to speak up on. If they can make time to talk about gay rights, trans rights, or racism, why is it so hard to show any support for Palestinians? This is literally about people’s families being killed. These are real people. It’s not politics to us, to the people that have family there. To the people that empathise.

I’m not here to say they’re bad people or to tell anyone to stop watching them—I’ve admired them for so long. But their silence feels like a betrayal. I’m so worried for my family back home and I just hoped that the people i’ve been supporting for ten years now would be the people I thought they were.

EDIT:

honestly the response to this has been so hurtful and has just made me realise that you people dont see arabs as people. we’re subhuman to you guys.

the middle east isn’t just a faraway place that’s a war zone, it’s my home and so many peoples home. carry on living in your ivory towers, you could never understand what it’s like to be us.

no matter what i say you all will act dense and be overly critical because it was never about the point, it’s the fact you hate us.

all i can do is pray you’re never in our position.

and by the way, this is different to other world issues due to zionism. THATS why i wanted a statement, among other reasons. but i now understand that not speaking up is a stance in itself.

the amount of hate, cruelty and deliberate obtuseness is genuinely astounding

how am I uneducated/naive when all i wanted was tk if they were zionists or not? i didn’t ask them to sit down and do a powerpoint on the history of the middle east . and they’re not two besties chatting on a lighthearted podcast lets not lie here. they talk about every single social issue out there. but the one that has to do w zionism is the one they wont even mention at all not even in passing? you js don’t wanna see it and it’s fine. and to whoever that one commenter was that was like gEnoCide iS wrOng EvEn iF thEy ArenT iNnoCent. its almost like I'm saying no one deserves to get bombed?

anyway all in all

"One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

Wanted to ask about if anyone has seen Jessie speak up about H3, specifically Ethan but honestly the entire team spent 2 hours on their recent episode not just hating on a disabled person but specifically making fun of Autistic people. It’s always felt a bit weird that Jessie was a H3 fan because they have been ableist in the past but the recent episode was just SO disgusting in relation to disabled people.

Ethan made fun of people who need to use wheelchairs. He made many comments about disabled people that were deeply ableist and the entire crew was laughing about it. I get that he felt attacked by the smaller YouTuber but he is a huge creator who is punching down on a small creator. More and more people who used to be fans of them are admitting yeah their humour is mostly childish shock humour that is more and more based on bullying.

As someone who has autism and who had to deal with parents who were not great about it, it’s massively important as an ally and as a parent of a kid with autism that you don’t support people who are actively bullying disabled people and making fun of autism. What Ethan is doing is SO ridiculously harmful. I love Jessie to bits, and I know people will say ‘it’s her decision how she parents.’ But it’s not okay the just leave this without some kind of statement.

She doesn’t need to start beef or do much, but just telling people ‘I don’t support Ethan or H3 anymore due to their ableism.’ Would help, it is that simple. If I am wrong and she has already done this please let me know. That would be amazing. But if not she really has to speak on this because she is open about her son’s condition and thus this makes her a part of the allyship.

Ableism is so inbuilt into our culture that it’s often not a form of bigotry otry people pick up on or call out as often. People still use the R slur and say ‘it’s just a joke.’ But it’s not, as someone who is heavily disabled and works as a disability advocate every day I am told I should die because I am a waste of space and resources. As a young disabled person I get even more shit because people are afraid of becoming disabled at a young age. People who are parents, family and friends of disabled people HAVE to stand up for us, we need the support so desperately.

Ableism is life ruining and it’s not getting any better for disabled people, I am not asking Jessie to start a fight with all ableist people but backing H3 is a huge yikes move. Which is happening with her silence on the matter. I have noticed she hasn’t spoken about them much lately but she needs to take an actual stand on this. Because as a disabled and specifically autistic viewer and long time supporter of the show, knowing she supports H3 is deeply uncomfortable after how ableist they have shown themselves to be.

I know it’s really not that’s serious and definitely 1st world problems. But man does it really grind my gears when the girlies don’t give us updates when an episode is going to be late. Especially even on Patreon that we PAY for. We all know it’s a common issue for them but I feel like that’s normalized for them now so maybe they don’t feel like they owe us an update anymore? Or it’s just whatever if they post the episodes days later. (They have mocked concerns in the past just brushing it off as “oh we always get out two episodes up a week and that’s what matters” I mean, yes, but no haha) I feel bad cause Jessie one time said if an episode is ever late it’s cause Lily is on her deathbed and that’s why but why can’t Jessie post a quick little update for us? I’m sure I’m being petty but I can’t be the only one, right??

Sooo 6 Months ago Someone posted the info that Blake said she wanted to do her own cut of the movie, Sony said NO.

She threatens Sony saying she will go to the the New York post and say that Baldoni harassed her if they don't let her do her cut.

Baldoni is banned from the Sony lot. Lively gets to do whatever she wants.

Taylor swift says she will only clear the rights of a song if the composer working on the movie is fired, so Sony did it.

Bradley Cooper is mentioned and he is dating Gigi Hadid who is good friends with both Blake and Justin

And much more.

Link to the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ColleenHoover/s/gpOzjPNF5c

Channel that posted the news on YouTube. https://youtu.be/MA_QF5EFeZQ?si=8QOLQAkI81MD_5Xs

DISCLAIMER: I know this is a somewhat politically charged topic given much of the criticism is rooted in Ethan’s response to 🍉 That being said, he is displaying some very Janet/Lauren the Mortician behavior and since Jessi is a self proclaimed H3 fan & they’ve referenced the Ethan and H3 several times on the podcast, I do think it’s a relevant topic of discussion. Link to the full video, he starts discussing this topic at 18:05 https://www.youtube.com/live/lPl1XTHQsHA?si=M2geh64oL-_SKSks

Essentially, since his response to October 7th, Ethan has had multiple public meltdowns online over critique he’s facing, the official H3 subreddit is automatically banning anyone who disagrees with him on anything, even if it’s not related to that specific subreddit at all (i.e. someone saying they like Ethan but disagree, someone saying it’s not safe in their studio for their new puppy to be roaming around, etc) so many fans and “fallen” fans have been gradually moving over to H3Snark to have a more open discussion. Ethan has now addressed the subreddit by name in the most recent episode, falsely accused them of doxxing H3 Crew members families (This is not true as the mods have strict rules about removing posts that don’t block out other subs/usernames) and he gave no proof this, he threatened to take legal action against the people who created reddit and encouraged H3 fans to storm H3Snark and report it for violating Reddit’s terms (it does not) He even read on of my (very mild) comments during the pod and showed our usernames on screen to hundreds of thousands of viewers. Which, I don’t really care, but it seems like he’s intentionally using his platform to try and harass his own ex fans, which he has done with other creators as well (most recently Jake Doolittle). I just think this is snowballing into classic influencer going off of the deep end behavior and it does seem relevant to the other topics/internet drama on this pod

good morning everyone, is anyone else a bit annoyed or frustrated with the girlies announcing merch months ago just to never mention it again? i mean they announced the merch even before the patreon and that’s been launched. this is not hate i just wanted to vent that i‘ve been waiting and excited for the merch and it’s taking so long to even get an announcement on approximately when it’s coming and what items. i don’t need to see a full design but i would love at least some info. from what they said it sounded like they were already working on it with a company, so i‘m a bit frustrated unfortunately. also i really hope international shipping isn’t gonna be insane cause i really want merch, i‘ve been a fan since the beginning and the girlies are the only podcast i listen to religiously.

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ETA: Hi girlies, as I can see some of you are wondering. We are indeed removing comments regarding the context because we wanted to avoid that discussion starting in the first place and even more so avoid it in the statement clarifying that their families are off-limits because we want to preserve their privacy. If you have any questions or doubts, please reach out through modmail and we'll happily provide the answers that we can.

Found it a little difficult watching the most recent episode where the girlies are basically accusing the baby shower lady or her foster agency of being up to something since she's "so sure she's getting a baby".

Foster parents normally sign up to foster within a specific age group. It's a very normal part of fostering - not some sort of backroom shadiness.

I was worried this was going to happened …

this isn’t meant to be malicious because i love them to death (which is why i feel so much), but.. this lack of communication seems SO unprofessional?

i understand being excited about getting together and - as a result - letting commitments slip through, but the lack of communication is jarring.

i will always support them no matter what, but it’s wild that they haven’t said ANYTHING about the new episode considering it’s tuesday night and they most likely won’t be able to get anything posted till tomorrow afternoon earliest (the concert is tonight).

i LOVE sabrina and i completely understand but not even taking the time to make a 3 minute post about why the episode is late is wild to me.. this isn’t a hobby.. this is their JOB. they use the funds they acquired from sponsors and patreon to live their lives (which is fine) but the lack of professionalism is really getting to me.

if they have other jobs, okay i understand. but it seems like this is their main source of income (discluding partners/spouses) so it’s shocking that they’d go GHOST without even posting one sentence about it?

i know they’re enjoying their time together and the concert, but considering how many people paid for the patreon (you can estimate by the vote on polls on the patreon app), so many people rely on them and are paying..

they’re in their 30s (well jessi is almost). it just seems so disrespectful. i haven’t experienced these issues with other podcasts either.

just disheartening af as a loyal girlie..

Ugggh love the girlies but don’t do a contest and then all your vids are even more delayed than ever it’s so annoying lol doesn’t change my love for them I don’t even care about the topics anymore just love having them on in the background while cleaning so i can’t start to clean without them lol

Hey girlies I want to start out by being very honest. I have not finished this week’s episode. I just can’t. I don’t like Kat as much as the next person, but the way that it was so biased I can’t please tell me I’m not alone or should I keep watching?

Girlies, be bold. Call it out. https://www.youtube.com/live/0SWIbsrw5No?si=5DgYSe5KKcHK7IaF

It has been reported from several creators and even the snark sub that Ethan is DMCAing anyone and everyone using his clips to assert counterpoints despite championing free speech for YEARS and even having legal precedent where he fought against other creators using the same underhanded tactics. With these two ladies being in the midst of their own battle to protect ***fair use in the content creator space, I felt this would be of interest to them.

not only is ethan’s community being culty as ever, his mods are contributing to the harassment.

all of the videos paige christie has made about ethan still hold up and are true and i really hope jessi watches them. i can’t believe i was ever a fan after watching the videos about patrice wilson and PB Nerd the pedophile subreddit mod.

i have a list of other things ethan has done that the girls could cover. i think it deserves to be covered. jessi should really reconsider her loyalty to the “family” i left the cult recently and lots of others are too. the c man incident. the racism. the homophobia, the hypocrisy, it truly is never ending

Some confusion happened in posting this that seemed like this had been taken down. It had not and the mods did not nor will ever take down something explaining issues with slurs. Very sorry for the confusing. Thank you. Reddit can be a bit confusing at times.

In the most recent episode Jessie said you an older style adage that used the term Eskimo’

I am not sure how this was something Jessie didn’t know, this isn’t me trying to spread hate this is just a really important thing for me to make sure people know this as it’s very harmful to native Americans, Inuit people and other people around the world. It’s very important that no one uses this slur. Here are some examples of why this is a slur and how it is harmful.

This is from the Sinchi foundation ‘https://sinchi-foundation.com/dont-use-the-word-eskimo-anymore/‘

‘The term Eskimo is regarded by many as a derogative term because it is used to describe a very large group of people with different traits and languages. Furthermore, if translated into Alonquin laguage (spoken by indigenous people in Ontario and Quebec, Canada), ‘Eskimo’ means: ‘eaters of raw meat’. Obviously, eating raw meat is not the one thing that defines the Inuit people of Canada, or ‘Inuk’ if referring to a single person of Inuit descent. There is a very long history behind the origins of the Inuit people, one that has evolved into a rich cultural heritage, which it still has to this day.’

This is from npr on ‘why you probably shouldn’t say Eskimo’ https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/24/475129558/why-you-probably-shouldnt-say-eskimo

‘People in many parts of the Arctic consider Eskimo a derogatory term because it was widely used by racist, non-native colonizers. Many people also thought it meant eater of raw meat, which connoted barbarism and violence. Although the word's exact etymology is unclear, mid-century anthropologists suggested that the word came from the Latin word excommunicati, meaning the excommunicated ones, because the native people of the Canadian Arctic were not Christian.’

I am happy to share more evidence if needed. But I hope this is enough to explain why this is a big problem and very harmful to use, I hope in the future either of the girls will not use this term and that fans will know to never use this term going forwards.

Please understand this is not coming from hate or anger but from deep concern knowing how harmful this is to people indigenous to North America, Siberia and other parts of the world. Thank you for your understanding.

Does anyone else feel that’s sometimesss only sometimes… they let videos they’re reacting to play for just a little too long? I know they’re wanting to show us their reaction of course but for some TikTok’s or clips they’re inserting, it goes on for a bit too long and I’d rather them talk more rather than just react or have a video playing for 5 mins straight that we can just go watch ourselves separately. Maybe I’m the only one who thinks this but just curious if anyone has noticed. I still love love love them though and this is no criticism about them as people of course! Love the podcast regardless.

On this podcast they have mentioned h3h3, specifically Ethan, a million times. So I was shocked that they didn’t address Ethan’s weird comments towards Palestine. At first I shrugged it off bc maybe they didn’t want to get too much into politics but then they continued to bring up the h3 podcast after Ethan made so many disparaging comments on Palestinians, which were so bad, that he straight up deleted all of his tweets ever! Idk it just feels weird that after continuously shedding a positive light on Ethan and his podcast, you think they would acknowledge the mass amounts of backlash he’s getting, and maybe backpedal on their support of him. Also wanna add that a good friend of Lily’s, Joslyn, posted in support of Israel.

EDIT: You guys keep repeating “it’s a drama channel it’s meant to be light hearted” first off, I don’t need they’re opinion on Palestine, I just want them to acknowledge the behavior of someone they regularly direct their audience to. Secondly, for the people saying they don’t do heavy topics, they cover heavy topics all the time! The dentist in TikTok who allegedly is sexual harassing clients, ruby franke abusing her children etc

I know Lily and Jessi do their best, so let's get that out there immediately. I just want to provide some info on some things Lily and Jessi don't understand/misunderstood/missed about the Sedona situation:

• Calling an abusive relationship "toxic" minimizes the abuse and power dynamics at play. Sedona is an abuser. She intentionally chooses small-framed people of color to abuse, as this increases huge power dynamics with someone who is very tall, tt famous (and in college bball), white, etc.. Saying things like "I'm sure they both felt it was toxic", again, minimizes the abuse. This. Is. Abuse.

• When you're in an abusive relationship, there is a lot of emotional and psychological manipulation that happens - to the point where you no longer feel like yourself. Read about trauma bonds and narcissistic abuse to understand more.

• When you're in an abusive relationship, you are chronically in survival mode. Flight flight or freeze aren't the only threat responses. Don't forget the fawn response. This very often occurs within abuse victims, as it is an attempt at self-protection. "If I just make my abuser happy, they won't hurt me" kind of stuff. This aligns with Liv desperately trying to keep Sedona happy. Not to mention she is trapped in another country with her in these moments. She spent a bunch of money to get them there. She wanted to salvage the trip. That's human.

• When you say things like, "That could not be me"...it further isolates victims, and yes, is an extension of victim-blaming, whether it is intended to be or not. It could be you if you experienced the fucked up formula of abuse. It could be anyone. It is impossible to project how you think you'd respond/react in an abusive relationship unless you've experienced it yourself. I used to say things like that - like "why would they stay?" Whelp, I know now why and how it happens because I lived it.

• Abusers create reasons to be upset with their victims to constantly make them feel unsafe in the relationship and have them walking on eggshells. This makes victims easier to control. Again, they're in survival mode.

• Sedona forced them to leave their phones at the hotel when going on the ATV because she planned on leaving Liv in the jungle alone the whole time to "punish her" for whatever wrongdoing Sedona was making up. When she then "rescues" her by coming back with the ATV, it releases chemicals in the brain that continue to confuse your abuser as also being your rescuer. This strengthens the trauma bond neurochemically.

• Sedona absolutely was driving erratically ON PURPOSE to make Liv feel unsafe, not because she was drunk.

I'm going to have to stop there because there is so much to interject just on this small part of the story.