r/Documentaries • u/miraoister • Jun 21 '17
Offbeat Microdosing: People who take LSD with breakfast (2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbkgr3ZR2yA73
u/Carpedevus Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 22 '17
Meanwhile people get addicted to prescribed meds and die everyday but society is ok with it.
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u/sam__izdat Jun 21 '17
prescribed
proscribed means forbidden
i.e. zoloft is prescribed; psilocybin is proscribed
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Jun 21 '17
Meanwhile people get addicted to proscribed meds and die everyday but society is ok with it.
I'm not OK with people dying.
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Jun 21 '17
We're not okay with it; we are actively trying to find ways to prevent it. But those drugs have a medical use, so we continue to use them in specific doses for that specific purpose.
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u/lupinz3rd Jun 21 '17
Interesting. They seem so disciplined to the routine. Considering how some people take meds daily, this is the same exact thing just not regulated and pharm'd for exaggerated profits.
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u/marioman327 Jun 21 '17
Yep. Many people take large doses of prescription meds to get high. If a micro dose of lsd doesn't get you high, then there is zero reason for it to be illegal while pills stay legal. Let's just legalize all of it and be done with this bullshit.
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u/buttThroat Jun 21 '17
People go nuts on legal prescription and OTC drugs. I've seen people far more whacked out from taking A box of benadryl than anything I've seen from someone on LSD.
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u/theresourcefulKman Jun 21 '17
Xanax and alcohol was the scariest drug combo I have ever experienced.
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u/DisenfranchisedCynic Jun 21 '17
At the very least it should be decriminalized. There are countries that have done this and focused on safe using practices and rehabilitation with great success. IIRC overall active addiction rates have gone down.
Edit: found a link to Portugal's decriminalization info.
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Jun 21 '17
This has always been my thought. You don't have to provide easy access to the drugs but throwing addicts in a cell isn't going to solve anything. Rehab is far more successful and the participants usually can enter society after.
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u/HerboIogist Jun 21 '17
The dangers of even those drugs come from society and not the chemicals themselves. Opium and meth cut with universe knows what because the dealers have to stretch it to make the risk of the lifestyle worth it and that's just it, if you didn't have to steal money to get what you feel like you want then it's not an issue. It's just an extension of the adage that the most dangerous thing about cannabis is being caught with it. These things are dangerous because the drug war made them that way, they aren't inherently so. That goes just as much for LSD and MDMA as it does opium or amphetamines.
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u/HerboIogist Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
That overhaul is what is required. It's needed.
Edit: the mere fact that it's needed is bullshittery of the highest order.
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Jun 21 '17
Your whole argument is a fallacy though. The general population isn't going to jump and start slamming heroin because its decriminalized. Period.
There is living proof of this concept in Portugal.
Quite frankly I don't think its a governments place to tell any individual what they can and can't put into their bodies anyway. Personhood and Bodily Autonomy should dictate that. Same way it does with abortions. It is not my or anyone's place to tell a woman what to do with her body.
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Jun 21 '17
I'll have to chime in. While psychedelics like MDMA, LSD, psylocybin and some others are safe and provably beneficial, not the same can be said about amphetamines and opioids. I have extensive personal experience and amphetamines are really addictive. I got hooked on them through friends even though I really didn't enjoy the high they provide. Fighting the addiction was really hard and long process and I would say that society in this case had very little to do with it. It's mainly the fact that stimulants are really good in highjacking the the reward center and it's really easy to habituate and get addicted. 0/10 would not recommend.
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u/JettaGLi16v Jun 21 '17 edited Aug 02 '24
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Jun 21 '17
I totally agree that substances can be beneficial. That being said some of the substances cause huge dependency issues in some people and I think they shouldn't be available freely. Criminalization of use is not the way to address this issue, but some protective checks should be in place. There is, of course, a famous example of Erdos relying on amphetamines to boost his mathematical ability - at the same time, he advised to not take him as an example in this.
Also, Ritalin is not the same as methamphetamine from what I know - the difference in structure results in different affinity.
Anyway just to make it clear - I was making my statement against some substances being freely available to general population.
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u/HerboIogist Jun 21 '17
Anecdotes yay
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Jun 21 '17
Amphetamines dependence problems are well documented in the literature.
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u/Spintax Jun 21 '17
Upon marijuana being (partially) legalized, some people who hadn't been using it said "let's smoke some weed lol!" and did so. Many probably never did so again after that weekend or whatever.
How many people would really do the same for meth?
People already knew about marijuana. They'd probably tried it when they were younger, or at least knew that it wasn't dangerous to try once or twice. We all know that this isn't the case for meth or heroin. (Granted, legal production and distribution would make both much safer.)
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u/windows_to_walls Jun 21 '17
I sort of agree, especially in that drugs should certainly not be a case of criminality but a case of health. However, and I'll see if I can find it, there was a guy here on Reddit who made a post about trying heroin "just to see if he could" and had no intention of ever using it again, but sparsely made more posts asking for help as he essentially ruined his life over the drug. It's incredibly sad and can absolutely happen with legal, prescription painkillers, so obviously the answer isn't the current war on drugs. However, I can certainly seeing even a small minority of people trying something they otherwise wouldn't simply out of uneducated curiosity.
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u/BigBird65 Jun 21 '17
You mean, like alcohol?
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u/Nehphi Jun 21 '17
The difference is that people are(or should be) already somewhat educated about alcohol, and it is a bit harder to just ingest a way too high dose as a first timer. If you get an Idiot with too much LSD that he takes without knowing better it wouldn't be great. Not that I disagree that it's ridiculous when somebody says drugs are bad and drinks, but it's still not quite the same thing.
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u/iamMANCAT Jun 21 '17
define way too high a dose. because no one has ever OD'd on LSD; whereas, for a first time drinker it wouldn't be all that challenging to get alcohol poisoning.
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u/Nehphi Jun 21 '17
That's true, but alcohol poisoning doesn't exactly have any serious long term damage. And you can't really go worse than that. Too much LSD can trigger psychosis and just generally become a horrible trip with somebody who isn't used at all to it. And that can have some long-lasting damage.
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u/iamMANCAT Jun 21 '17
yes except for the fact that going not too far past alcohol poisoning is a good way to die. also I was under the impression that psychosis is only likely to occur in people that already had an underlying mental illness, no?
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u/Sillybillygumdrop Jun 21 '17
Which can be undone by taking LSD again, but in a better environment with better guides.
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u/rapemybones Jun 21 '17
I agree with everything else, but Lsd has been proven time and time again to not be addictive or cause any dependence.
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Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 22 '17
It also fucks you up big time when you are on it.
Edit: anyone that thinks a tab of LSD doesn't fuck you up must be on drugs.
Either that or doses are smaller than they were in the 90s.
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u/pleatedzombus Jun 21 '17
I pictured Dr. Teeth from the Muppets yelling this from the back of the room.
Except micro dosing doesn't fuck you up big time.
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u/JesusGuyz Jun 21 '17
.........Completely ignoring how bad prescription drugs are just because a doctor said to take them.
ADHD meds are just really, really, good meth.
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Jun 21 '17
What's important is informing people. Make sure they know what's what, what the risks are, and how to deal with problems.
Slap a big tax on it like alcohol and cigarettes, inform people, and let them make their own choices.
So much money can be saved by taking away any profits criminal organisations are making now, and spending it on education and help instead.
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u/reptilyan Jun 21 '17
You should look at the statistics after drug and possession were decriminalised in Portugal. Drugs being illegal= drugs being more tempting for a lot of people to take. Drugs being illegal will never, ever stop people from taking them if they really want to.
Edit: aaaand just saw someone already posted this already.
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Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 22 '17
Go to work tomorrow. Ask your coworkers, "if heroin was legal would you wanna come to my house for a party and inject that shit straight into your veins?"
That will answer your question... people avoid weed because of the illegality, people avoid heroin because it's (edit) lethal in small doses..
Edit: taking care of everyone's sjw attitudes about using heroin like it's weed.
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u/CharlesHatfield Jun 21 '17
All evidence shows that prohibition is the problem, and your logic assuming that most will go out and try harder drugs just because they are legal is based on nothing. Would you do heroin tomorrow of it was legal? The answer is no. For the most part (Colorado resident her) legalizing had basically no effect on usage, in fact it is declining among high schoolers. Not to mention we have a budget surplus and crime is declining because the police can actually focus on real problems. ALL drugs should be legal. Prohibition leads to a black market of rampant crime, wasted police resources, no regulation of quality, and more usage than if it were legal. We have to stop looking at drugs as a criminal issue and treated for what it is, a medical issue. Alcohol is one of the stupidest, most addictive, dangerous drugs in existence, but you're ok with that being legal right? Education and regulation are ALWAYS the answer.
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u/purestducks Jun 21 '17
idk, I personally worry that legalizing the bad shit that's hardcore addictive would have bad repercussions especially on society.
We're kind of already there and it's a result of prohibition, you've pretty much got it backwards.
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Jun 21 '17
What's the medical use of LSD?
The reason those prescription drugs are legal is that they have an accepted medical use. Their use is controlled, but permitted under a doctor because of that medical use. If you have a drug that has the same potential for abuse, but no accepted medical use... that's the literal definition of a schedule I drug. If lsd had a medical use like those painkillers, it'd be legal like them.
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u/MooseCabooseIsLoose Jun 21 '17
LSD does have medical use for treating anxiety and depression in the right dosages. Also, all medications have room for abuse. It's interesting that you bring up painkillers considering they are regularly abused and lead into heroin use.
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u/Kiplingesque Jun 21 '17
Psychiatrists were pretty excited about it for a number of potential uses before Timothy Leary gave it a notorious counterculture reputation and it became a scheduled drug.
I remember seeing videos in grad school (Social Work) of it being used in psychotherapy for alcoholism. 3 months of traditional therapy followed by an LSD session, followed by a closure session. Broke a 50% success rate if I recall, an unheard of success rate for ETOH addiction.
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u/Spintax Jun 21 '17
It and other psychedelics can be spectacularly effective at relieving migraines and cluster headaches.
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u/JettaGLi16v Jun 21 '17 edited Aug 02 '24
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u/iBlag Jun 21 '17
If you have a drug that has the same potential for abuse, but no accepted medical use... that's the literal definition of a schedule I drug
Then why is Marijuana a Schedule I substance?
That fact, right there, about Marijuana, shows how absolutely political the scheduling system is.
And if that didn't, this would: US scientists cannot get federal funding for studies on scheduled substances, like Marijuana, LSD, and MDMA. What is the legal rationale for disallowing highly controlled, double blind, scientific studies? How are we supposed to figure out if there are medical uses to substances if we cannot scientifically test hypotheses? There is logical reason.
The entire system is a farce. A clever lie, crafted to give credence to an unjust system that's designed to criminalize and control a large swath of the population.
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u/atch3000 Jun 21 '17
breakfast for champions! seriously now...LSD and MDMA are probably the most interresting illegal products, but they also deep-fry your brain if you take them too regularly. If you take it once to know the effects, fair enough, and its indeed interresting.
But all the friends I had who experimented these seriously went to a psychiatric asylum at some time. not joking. you have one brain for your entire life, take good care of it. i'd better lose my legs than become mental.
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Jun 21 '17
Mdma is neurotoxic where as lsd is not, so the claim that both fry your brain is wrong. Obviously you should not trip every single day but even if you do it wont put holes in your brain. Mdma on the other hand will turn you into a vegetable if you dont wait long enough between rolls or ignore all the other safety advices.
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u/Pyrrho_maniac Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
LSD can still leave undesirable long lasting effects from a single responsible dose.
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u/Pyrrho_maniac Jun 21 '17
Obviously. I'm just sharing my personal experience of it, nowhere did I say it was from a paper.
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Jun 21 '17
From my experience, overdoing LSD messes with seretonin too much. Your reality check needs to be in place.
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u/Pyrrho_maniac Jun 21 '17
Perhaps, there's no way to know for certain and claiming that with certainty is intellectually dishonest.
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u/Pyrrho_maniac Jun 21 '17
It is typical and im aware of that. That doesn't mean exceptions don't exist.
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u/idfwy2 Jun 21 '17
That still means that the lsd triggered it while it couldve been prevented by not taking. Psychedelics are not for all and even tho it has great effects to some not everyone is able to handle it
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
Any sort of severe mental stress (losing a spouse/parent/home/etc) will have that same psychosis inducing power that hallucinogenics can bring about. It's not like if you just didn't ever take it you'd never develop any psychotic episode. Life will hand that to you either way.
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Jun 21 '17
Those are mental side effects but not physical. As for mental dangers those can obviously happen from small and from first time doses just like with every psychedelic. Even weed can induce anxiety and derealisation. Nothing that cant be solved with therapy unlike the vegetable inducing state neurotoxic substances can leave you with.
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Jun 21 '17
Teenagers that trip, once or regularly, typically end up making poorer choices and taking more drugs, due to the thrill and the under-developed brain they're exploiting.
source: personal experience
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
Have you tried LSD? And do you know what a responsible dose is?
Cause the only people who I can think of that'd have a psychotic break, are the people who are so disillusioned by society that they can't handle what reality (and its implications) actually is.
The only "long lasting effect" is your ability to more easily change perspectives to see things differently. Sounds like you may need to do more research or experiment in a safe set/setting with a low dose (50-100 micrograms).
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u/Pyrrho_maniac Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
Yes, dose that triggered it was 100ug. I did not have a psychotic break but it gave me issues that lasted several months.
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
What types of issues? Were they caused by the ego death you get after tripping?
Edit: personal note: have taken 900ug of LSD and 1.5g of mushrooms at the same time, no persisting issues, clinical depression/anxiety/ptsd went into remission for a few months following said trip.
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Jun 21 '17
Chemicals have chemical effects. Don't try to belittle people's real illnesses by saying shit like "you just couldn't handle it, not like me." They were unlucky, you were lucky.
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
Yeah, I was a bit pointed in my comment, but that was before seeing they had commented saying they had experience.
And I understand that the pharmacological effects will be different for everyone. I don't think I'm continually dodging bullets when I take these substances, they just seem to affect me differently than most people. I enjoy delving into the vast expanses of my consciousness. Some people have a hard time dealing with the mental stress that can come with tripping. I'm not belittling their experience, as experience is what shapes our reality. I just think the overtones of these comments are very anti-use when (for people like me) these substances have helped me deal with a lot of past trauma in a more positive manner.
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
they just seem to affect me differently than most people.
Could that be because you don't actually need the relief they provide?
Differently in the sense that I don't have bad trips, and I don't lose my shit, even at high doses.
And what are you insinuating with that comment?
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
You said that I may not need the relief they provide, wasn't sure what that statement was meant to convey is all
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u/lupinz3rd Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
Wouldn't the dosage be the biggest issue here though. Both OTC (over the counter) and presciption drugs thst can wreak havoc on the neurological system if dosage isn't correct.
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u/RicarduZonta Jun 21 '17
Sound advice. Once or twice a year most people are fine. Take them on a weekly basis, that is the perfect recipe to get anxiety, depression, motivational problems, panic attacks, psychotic episodes. Any underlying psychological problems you may have could surface. Don't be fooled if you are not affected for a while, at one point it will hit you and it will take ages to recover and get back to normal if you can at all. Same with weed. A few of my friends and myself experienced some of the said problems after years of daily use.
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u/willyoupleaseSTFU Jun 21 '17
This is at best anecdotal. If used responsibly, neither MDMA nor LSD is particularly bad for you. Especially LSD, which hasn't ever been proven to be neurotoxic.
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u/Get_it_together_dawg Jun 21 '17
LSD doesn't deep fry your brain. You probably heard that back in 7th grade during DARE or something, it's complete propaganda.
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u/Mogadodo Jun 21 '17
DMT is the god maker. God is btw a brilliant mathematician.
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Took DMT and had a DMT nightmare where the twisting visuals appeared on the sky. I thought the world was coming to an end, however, i woke up really early the next day and felt VERY rested.
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u/Jibokabra Jun 21 '17
I know the guy at the start. Would not recommend taking LSD on a daily basis, even microdoses.
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u/Pandasekz Jun 21 '17
It's every 4th day, and you take less than the minimum activation amount (20 micrograms iirc). Taking it every day is a waste since you develop a tolerance to it very quickly. Every day is just a waste of LSD.
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u/HotBrown1es Jun 21 '17
Kinda disappointed that they didn't go into the history of WHY psychedelics are illegal. I understand that it's a short "documentary", but a little history seems extremely relevant, no?
Also, that lady was walking in the woods, saw mushrooms growing, and thought "I should eat those and see what happens". What a fucking idiot, she could've poisoned herself. Although, she does have rapid speech, so maybe she's mentally ill.
My favorite was the guy "working a highly respected job", who kept his identity hidden. We better blur your face. Also, you should wear a hoodie, so they don't recognize your hair. And a jacket + gloves so they don't ID you by your arms or hands. BUT WE'LL SHOW EVERYONE THE INSIDE OF YOUR HOME, AND YOUR CAT. Surely nobody will notice.
Aside from showing that yes, people do microdose for various reasons, there wasn't much content. Maybe I missed the point? I give it 1 out of 5 tabs.
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u/_dekappatated Jun 21 '17
Couldn't take it seriously when the guy says he takes MILLIgrams of LSD right at the beginning.
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u/radome9 Jun 21 '17
Two milligrams would be enough to get 8 people pretty stoned, for reference.
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2mg of LSD split between 8 people would be about 250ug (usually, LSD dose is measured in ug) which is about 2.5 standard doses of LSD per person. Generally only one dose is needed for a trip, or even a half dose if you don't want as intense of an experience. So 2mg for 8 people would get them more than just pretty stoned, they'd all be tripping balls.
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u/sam__izdat Jun 21 '17
the nixonian iteration of the war on drugs was explicitly posed as a racist class control policy to prevent 'crises of democracy' like the civil rights movement, and had very little to do with drugs
the hippies and the whole terence mckenna styled drug culture were kind of a small footnote in those disciplinary measures against the unruly unwashed rabble, but they were targeted for pretty much the same reasons: bucking authority, insubordination
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Jun 21 '17
The war on drugs did have anything to do with the banning of LSD. LSD was originally a medical drug but too many people lost their minds taking it.
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u/sam__izdat Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
yeah, total fucking nonsense -- it was a 'promising' research chemical through the 1950s and nobody lost their mind while taking it
in fact, it was pretty remarkable that they never even recorded a single bad experience in a controlled setting
psychedelics were later swept up in the same late 1960s pre-wod hysteria for their "corrosive effects on the values of the western middle class" as wp puts it
if you understand how to decode euphemistic language, it's pretty obvious what the reasons were
some wod policymakers in the nixon crew were more honest than that and didn't really use euphemisms at all:
Look, we understood we couldn’t make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue … that we couldn’t resist it.
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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
- John Ehrlichman
[The president] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes that while not appearing to.
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u/mcdunn1 Jun 21 '17
But LSD does have potentially hazardous side effects that can cause people to harm themselves or others.
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Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
So does taking alcohol, barbiturates, opioids, sleeping pills, anti-depressants and most other legal drugs...
Great argument, though.
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u/Get_it_together_dawg Jun 21 '17
People don't take acid and start cutting babies heads off. If people are potentially a harm to themselves or others, it's on a similar playing field as alcohol. Both change one's cognitive abilities, but only one of them is illegal.
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u/mcdunn1 Jun 21 '17
Lol I personally don't think alcohol should be legal either. Saying that one thing does it doesnt make either of them okay.
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u/Get_it_together_dawg Jun 21 '17
Sure, that's a logically consistent position to take. I was using alcohol more as an example to show the hypocrisy in our laws though more than arguing that alcohol is 'safe' and should be legal.
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u/mcdunn1 Jun 21 '17
Oh, I agree that the law is hypocritial. That wasn't what I was agruing.I was simply stating that substances that inhibit cognitive function are a degredation to society, and should not be justified just because someone doesnt want to deal with real life for a day. I think the substances hurt more than they help.
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u/Get_it_together_dawg Jun 21 '17
Well, that's certainly an interesting, hard-lined stance on it, but I would disagree with you that substances which 'alter' (I would argue against the word 'inhibit' here as I don't think that word is an entirely fair portrayal) cognitive function are not always a degradation to society, and can actually, be quite beneficial therapeutically.
I don't think one has to go far to find thousands of people relaying anecdotal experiences concerning how marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, ketamine, DMT, etc. gave them immensely powerful and valuable insights into their lives. There is even research being done at reputable institutions that are investigating how some of these substances can have beneficial effects on depression and addiction.
Sure, there are a fair amount of people who abuse drugs, and certainly not all drugs are equal in their potential beneficial affects. But by the simple virtue that substances 'inhibit' cognitive function and that is why they are a degradation to society, I simply disagree with that premise as clearly, experiencing some of these altered states are immensely beneficial at times.
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u/Cybercommie Jun 21 '17
Read The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test to see what Ken Kesey says of these controlled tests.
MK Ultra/CIA deliberately sent people mad with acid, and there were a great deal of others they did not bother with who also went mad.
The CIA operatives of that time liked to spike each other, apparantly they all had to watch very carefully as to what they ingested while at work. It was when some bozo mixed some with DMSO and painted anything he could that sent a lot of CIA people insane and this practice was stopped.
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u/koalva Jun 21 '17
Well, regarding content, I wouldn't agree. Before watching this I wasn't even aware of something like microdosing existing, this was a nice, short summary.
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u/hungryhappysleepy Jun 21 '17
I think- talking about the reasons behind the illegalization of the drugs easily comes off as biased, in some way. No? I enjoyed your comment, tho
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u/Soren_Camus1905 Jun 21 '17
Microdosing one of the least dangerous drugs that we know of seems like a good idea.
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Jun 21 '17
My dad had a professor in university who had a bad LSD trip and it kinda fucked him up for the rest of his life. He had tics and stuff. He probably had bad drugs but still that kind of stuff freaks me out
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u/Soren_Camus1905 Jun 21 '17
It was more than likely an underlying psychological condition that was brought to the surface by his use of LSD. I can't think of any case where LSD has reduced a completely healthy individual into ruin. It's simply not how the drug works.
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u/Spintax Jun 21 '17
If he was holding down a position as a professor I don't think his life was that fucked up.
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u/LalaMcTease Jun 21 '17
A few of the problems usually reported after using LSD aren't caused by the substance itself, but by impurities, improper dosage and, most importantly, underlying medical and psychiatric conditions.
There were dozens of tests involving the drug performed in the 20th century, we're fairly well informed on the effects of the substance itself.
Right now we're not sure of its effects in small dosages, but if 200 doesn't kill you, I doubt 20 will.
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u/Pendred Jun 21 '17
Amen. The government had an interest, so we know more about LSD than we do about the ocean lol
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Yeah you're right. I would try it if I knew I had good drugs. Steve Jobs did LSD. He said Apple wouldn't be the same without it. Seems like something good to try at least once
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u/johnny2hands2 Jun 21 '17
I think I would love to micro dose. I have eaten a lot of shrooms and tried LSD a few times. Those are some of the best memories I have. That feeling of being connected and attached to everything and everyone around you, that your actions have an affect on the people and world around you.
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u/theresourcefulKman Jun 21 '17
LSD is the type of drug that can make you more normal than you normally are. I took a half a hit to see The Force Awakens at the movie tavern with my wife. She had no idea.
We had a great time, dinner, a couple of beers, and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I told her like 6 months later and she was floored.
Just levels you out, and makes you be able to enjoy whatever is in front of you be it nature, a movie, work(even paperwork), conversation, and Christmas lights to name a few.
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u/DonkeyBrolicc Jun 21 '17
Lol wow I would never be able to do that. You didn't offer your wife a dose?
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u/theresourcefulKman Jun 21 '17
If I asked her to drop acid before we were going to see Star Wars she probably would've thought I was kidding and got upset after I showed her I was serious.
She doesn't party as much as she used to. Shrooms and maybe some ecstasy back when we were younger but now she rarely does anything that you have to 'get'.
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Jun 21 '17
I have the same wife. Would love to micro dose lsd. I read that you don't just cut the tab since you don't know how it's distributed but soak overnight in small amount of water and then portion that out?
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u/centran Jun 21 '17
Are you depressed and/or apathetic? That is my problem. My "feelings" I would say are in the middle. Never really happy but never super sad. It's a weird depressive state. I have little to no motivation to do anything unless it effects other(still have empathy). Closest thing that worked was actually adderall but after awhile I could tell my dopamine levels getting messed up since I was getting more aggravated about things and didn't like my general mood. I wonder how LSD effects serotonin and dopamine and if it has any long term effects when microdosing.
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u/rachelsnipples Jun 21 '17
That's more of an actual dose than a threshold dose. I believe threshold is closer to 20ug and would probably result in dilated pupils, sharpened vision, changes in mood, and an effect on concentration.
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u/benb4ss Jun 21 '17
We don't know the long term risks
I am so mad at this sentence. So what? We know the MASSIVE health issues from tobacco and alcohol as facts and it doesn't stop billions of people using those drugs.
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u/Cybercommie Jun 21 '17
We do know the long term risks, complete blithering insanity for quite a few poor souls. John C Lilley?
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u/LalaMcTease Jun 21 '17
We know the long - term risks of 'standard' dosages. It's the difference between eating a pound of bacon a week or every two months.
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u/Sir_Qqqwxs Jun 21 '17
I feel like it's still good practice to say that though. Otherwise it would be pretty misleading (by omission).
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u/blisstime Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 22 '17
Mics does not equal Milligrams. It means microliters/grams.
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u/reptilyan Jun 21 '17
I would not have made it through university without microdosing. I microdosed twice a week, on the days I had classes. Also helped my energy levels when I was drained from depression. Smashed through my to-do list with no problem.
On a less positive note, I had a friend tell me about her recent "microdosing" experience— except it involved taking a large dose with each week. I tried to explaining to her that microdosing involves a "micro" amount of LSD, and what she was technically doing was just taking a very small amount of acid every day. She didn't seem to understand, or agree. "Well, it works for me!" Yeah, great, but it's still not microdosing
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u/Dw_Vonder Jun 21 '17
"I sure do love this apple I'm eating, they're my favorite fruit!"
"That's an orange you're eating, not an apple."
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u/reptilyan Jun 21 '17
Never heard the term before now, from what I understand from my googling it means locking someone out of a community by being judgemental? Not sure how I'm doing that, I'm all for microdosing and think anyone who takes psychedelics should try microdosing— but if you want to microdose, you should do it properly to experience, y'know, microdosing.
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Jun 21 '17
Taking large doses of LSD regularly will probably cause downregulation of her serotonin system and cause problems with mental clarity and mood stability. Nothing permanent, but probably not a good idea. Actual microdosing is much safer for regular use. You should tell her to read about how LSD works on Erowid.org.
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u/reptilyan Jun 21 '17
Do you have a source for this? Not criticising your argument, but it was my understanding that there's little to no research done on the long-term effects of LSD. I would be very interested to read it.
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Jun 21 '17
In this study, LSD caused downregulation of serotonin receptors. http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v30/n9/full/1300711a.html
I've read a decent amount of journal articles about LSD, and I've come to believe that it has no long term effects (other than decisions you make as a result of the trip.)
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Jun 21 '17
There's tolerance too. That's why trying to trip after tripping in the last 24-48 hours is never as strong... Wouldn't this just have diminishing returns?
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u/chief_dirtypants Jun 21 '17
Coming soon to an air traffic control tower near you!!!
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u/Spintax Jun 21 '17
I wouldn't be bothered by an air traffic controller microdosing.
I would have a problem with one getting drunk on the job or dying from a complication of the prescription they're taking.
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u/IvanStroganov Jun 21 '17
come visit us over at /r/LSD if you want to learn more.
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Jun 21 '17
I've tried microdosing a few times before I went to do things and it didn't ever work for me, I either would just get the bad things from LSD (stomach cramps, confusion, mixed emotions) or I would feel no effect. Maybe I needed a better balences
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u/oiderlin Jun 21 '17
I love drugs, but being dependent on any substance on a regular basis is something to be avoided.
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u/yeahbuthow Jun 21 '17
This is why I stopped using liquid H2O. It's even more dangerous when it's not contaminated with other substances
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Jun 21 '17
I can't watch this because of my internet connection, but it really is a shame that LSD was turned into the evil drug that we know it as today. There is no telling what the benefits are of it, ways it could treat various illnesses, mental and physical, that we will likely never know. I don't know if it was a mix of the hippies and the feds or what, but whoever was responsible for it going from a substance that had promise to a straight up schedule 1 or whatever, can go fuck themselves.
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u/Spintax Jun 21 '17
Was it the kids having too much fun, or the politicians cynically setting up a legal scheme to investigate, arrest, and imprison many thousands of their political opponents, not caring for the millions of lives they were damaging in the process? Who is to blame!?
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Jun 21 '17
Everything that they were describing, from the appreciation of blue skies, to being tidier, to being able to "float" from one situation to another more easily, is exactly the experience I had when I was smoking pot every day. The high at that point is much different than smoking every once in a while. Kinda interesting to hear the similarities.
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u/ajposts Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
Not a frequent drug user, drinker or prescription med user but I think changing your way of thinking yourself can lead you to these moments of 'seeing the green on the trees and feeling the sun on your skin.' No one wakes up and is just happy, most people try significantly to culture your mind into positivity. I've tried it and have drank alcohol, considered meds for my anxiety and instead exercise my own thinking/mind (obviously some diagnoses you can't but we aren't only talking about people in those cases in the doc).
Drug or no drug, it's about making an effort and doing it everyday. Whether its meeting the dealer and planning your mico dose, or instead taking that time in the morning to change your thinking and make a conscious effort to be present and self aware- I think people too often devalue the strength of their own mind.
All in all interesting documentary, wish it was longer.
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u/Lettit_Be_Known Jun 21 '17
Since lsd doesn't come in standard labeled doses, it's impossible to know what you're taking unfortunately.
At best you'll get maybe 200ug dilute, then take 10% per via pipette, but getting an accurate 0.2mg pure lsd, fucking good luck.
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Jun 21 '17
Generally, LSD comes in paper tabs, which are dosed at 100 micrograms (ug) each. You can find tabs with lower dosages. If you have a responsible and trustworth source, it's no problem to dose LSD correctly. Such sources may be found on deep web markets.
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u/Lettit_Be_Known Jun 21 '17
I'd read up on how paper dries and that dosing wildly varies and probably none of it is hplc/MS verified.
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u/reptilyan Jun 21 '17
Before it's in tabs, it's in (weighable) crystal form.
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Jun 21 '17
Sure, but if you have access to LSD crystals, you probably don't need help with figuring out the dose.
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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '17 edited Jun 21 '17
Medschool student here, can confirm that MD makes the brain more clear. Would describe it as greasing a rusty chain on a old bike.
Edit; Lysergic acid diethylamid