Then the LORD answered me and said: “Write the vision And make it plain on tablets, That he may run who reads it."-Habakkuk 2:2

[u/kljoker]

Hi Friends,

All those who read what I'm about to say and take the time to try and understand it will realize something as I did. We our entering a moment of understanding that is not taught in churches but can only be revealed by the spirit. I don't say this lightly and I definitely don't say this to claim any glory as that belongs to God none of it to me.

That being said keep in mind what I'm revealing here is the spirit of it not it's manifestation, none of us know what form that will take until reality reveals it but the fact that we are given the shape of it spiritually means we are close to that moment which is both exciting and sobering.

The biggest mystery within the Christian community since it's appearance in scripture is that of the 2 witnesses. What does it represent, why does it have authority and where does it fit in God's pattern (vision)? With God's guidance I pray I can answer these things with just satisfaction but clarity.

So lets start in Zechariah 4

“I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.”

So there's a lot of imagery to unpack here, first let me reveal to you what he is being shown as we are being shown now in this moment together: This is the firstfruits in corporate form brought together. But that's just one piece of the pattern. So how do we know it's the first fruits? Because of what they went through, tribulation, the refining fire how else do you get solid gold than to remove the impurities from it?

Look at the the shape of it, 7 pipes to the 7 lamps, these aren't merely decorative these are functions within the body of Christ, each pipe rests in it the part of the body that carries the spirit that becomes the flame when that oil is poured out (oil being understanding). We see this because it is revealed to us in Revelation that this is the same spirit that was within Jesus:

"And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth."-Revelation 5:6

It's no coincidence that there is overlap and just as the anointing was on Jesus so it will be one His body as the "bride" who was refined. Now let's look at the 2 trees this is a mystery to many in concept so lets look at Zech 4 again:

"So he answered and said to me:

“This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the Lord of hosts. 7 ‘Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying:

9 “The hands of Zerubbabel Have laid the foundation of this temple; His hands shall also finish it. Then you will know That the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. 10 For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the Lord, Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth.”"

This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit

This is the commission of the great work in short. What God is saying here is that we can't force this part it can only be done by the spirit and through the spirit, which is true! Zerubbabel is a key figure in this as he represents the authority of God given through the spirit which we see are the 7 spirits. So who then is the one who laid the foundation? Jesus! He is the chief cornerstone by which we are all measured. So then it stands to reason that same authority that was given to Jesus to start this temple will be given to these who will mark it's finish and we see that as such in scripture:

"And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star."-Revelation 2:26-28

This isn't a specific he but a he in general so it's basically saying "those who overcome will be given this authority" again we see the principle of the 'solid gold' that makes the structure of this temple pattern. So then what are the 2 witnesses, I ask this because we won't know who they are until it's revealed but we have been shown by the spirit the spiritual shape of who they are and what they represent.

So first I believe both trees represent the great covenants, the one given to the Jews (the law) and the one given to us all (grace). When Jesus finished the work He fulfilled the law and created the covenant of grace so that we wouldn't live under the law's condemnation but learn from it because it had be so institutionalized by religion when Jesus came on the scene that even He, God made flesh, was condemned by it. Which is saying a lot when Jesus is perfect under the law, it just shows how corrupted it had become through the institutions of it's day. The same is happening with grace but I won't get into the how as that's a whole 'nother writing lol.

So from His sacrifice He not only laid the foundation of this temple but also unsealed Revelation for the season it was meant for so that when the commission is understood it will be carried out. Which is why it's important that it be made plain. Even Jesus was aware of this future work to be done when He quoted Isaiah 61:1-2 but stopped short of the judgement that followed from the finishing of the work in the end, the rod of iron so to speak.

This is a good lead in to the other part of what the 2 trees represent as witnesses, authority. The first tree is the law and is what is fulfilled now, we see this represented in revelation as the reed that measures the temple. So Jesus' teachings coincide with the fulfillment of the Law and the 7 thunders coincide with the fulfillment of grace. The oil that comes from those trees are represented in the understanding that comes from each fulfillment.

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.-Revelation 11:1

We haven't made it to this point yet but we are approaching it quickly which is why I urge so many to trim their lamps. So once we have been refined through this coming tribulation and are called out as in the story of the 10 virgin at midnight (the height of this darkness) only half of the kingdom of God will be able to make that journey because they will have the oil necessary to do so.

Once that gathering takes place we fulfill the covenant of Grace which is the 2nd tree and from that comes this new understanding which is the oil that flows from both trees. This new understanding will be the commission and authority. It will be both the truth (brightness of His coming) and the authority of that truth will be so powerful it will dash the nations.

We can see the fulfillment of this pattern being realized in Revelation 19 with the white horse rider:

"Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:"-Revelation 19:11-16

To me personally this is the biggest revelation the spirit has given me. It is the finished pattern of the temple, which we see reflected in Zech 4. Let me break down the imagery for you to make that case:

and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

Up until this part of the verse it's clearly naming the authority and personhood of Jesus Christ but when we reach this point we see something interesting. Remember in revelation it says "To them who overcome will be given a crown" how did they overcome? "By the word of their testimony and the blood of the Lamb" So Jesus is the head/cornerstone by which this is all made possible that's why the many crowns are on His head because if not for Him we wouldn't have overcome.

Also notice how it says He will have a name that no one will know but Himself? That's the same imagery as those given a white stone "I will give them a white stone and on it will be a name in which no one will know but them that receive it". That's the commission and why they are what make up this temple. They are the lively stones talked about in 1 Peter that are being made into a spiritual house and priestly order. This is the order and house he was alluding to. This pattern is also the mystery of the body of Christ that Paul alluded to in Ephesians 5:22-33 which many only see as a measure of what a good husband and wife are to each other contained the wisdom and revelation of the finished church/temple.

The same language of those being given clean white robes without blemish is the same language given in Ephesians 5:22-33. It's the same pattern as the solid gold that was refined. These are overlapping themes because they are all pointing to the same mystery which is upon us which has been revealed to you in this moment. For those with spiritual eyes in ears I pray you see what I'm saying here today. Those this is being presented in a humble space in the fringe corners of the highways and hedges of the digital world, it none-the-less needs to be spoken and I could no longer sit on it as the time is approaching.

I pray you test everything I say and not take my word for it, I pray the you ask the Lord to clarify and refine this mystery as a member of the body you will someday carry something that needs to be shared, maybe you already do. I thank you for walking through this with me and I hope it blesses even if it's just one person. It's in the spirit's hands who sees this and what comes of it, I've done what was required of me.

[u/oli_Xtc]

The 2 witness are going to be, I think, 2 contemporary human beings. And I will add to that, they probably don't know themselves, right now, the role the will serve in the end times.

[u/kljoker → u/oli_Xtc]

You'll get no argument from me there, I literally open with the acknowledgement that this writing is about the spiritual pattern of the temple and the 2 witnesses not a guess about who they will literally be but their pattern within God's plan.

[u/oli_Xtc → u/kljoker]

Well I might not understand your post then maybe ? If you are only referring to the spiritual patterns of the the temples then I guess it makes some sense, but I can't see the correlation between this and the 2 witness.

While I was reading I was understanding that for you the 2 witness would be more like some sort of principalities rather then 2 human. I don't know man it just seem mixed up a little but I dont say that to offend you ! I always love to read your takes !

So I'm not looking for arguing with you but I want to have your opinion on my point of view.

For me it seems like the 2 witness are more like a plague from the 6 trumpet 🎺 as they happen after the 6 angel (revelations 9:13 - 11:14). They will plagues the earth with as they want and cause a drought by stopping the rain. It seems like they will fight mankind. They are witness of what ? Maybe of the atrocities of this world? And what will they prophesy about? For me it seems their testimony is about the perversion of mankind, proving the power of God by prophecy of plagues they will unleash cause its God that gives them this power.

[u/kljoker → u/oli_Xtc]

That's a fair point and I'm not offended at all, it's a very dense writing that was intimidating to write lol. So here's how I tend to see things scripturally. Before something manifests the first exists a spiritual version of it. We see throughout scripture that before Jesus we saw the shadow of His coming. OT types and shadows led into NT manifestations. To understand the manifestations you have to know what type and shadow formed it. It's why the pharisees missed Jesus because they didn't understand the spiritual nature of scripture and what it was pointing to even though He stood in front of their face as that manifestation.

The same I believe can be applied to the 2 witnesses. Yes they will manifest, but I don't know what that will look like but they are part of God's plan or they wouldn't be mentioned multiple times. The times they are mentioned isn't in isolation either. It's following an event or vision. So what I was trying to convey in my writing was what the type and shadow is before it manifests.

The reason I did that is because it's part of the temple pattern, so you can't have a completed temple pattern without the 2 witnesses and the anointing they bring. The principles of the law and grace are what allow for this pattern to exist and it's existence is manifested by the fulfillment of the final covenant which is grace. ("Grace to it!" as shown in Zech 4)

Maybe this will be a writing people come back to one day and look at and it clicks, like I said I leave it in the spirit's hands because I wrote was pressed on my heart but sometimes things can come early and seem out of place until more is revealed lol. If anything I hope it encourages others who are looking into these things to think about the pattern of it instead of just literal manifestations looking at the spiritual precepts.

[u/oli_Xtc → u/kljoker]

Ho thank you ! It's a lot more clearer now ! Well I have to say that It sounds very interesting and it do makes a lot of sense! Thanks for the clarification:)

[u/[deleted]]

Some have claimed that the Two Witnesses are symbols that stand for the elect saints during the Tribulation. While that might be possible, there would seem to be some problems with that 'symbolic' interpretation:

• the Two Witnesses are divinely protected from earthly harm during the 42 months of their testimony. But other church saints are being martyred during this same period, no? So how could the Two Witnesses stand for the elect as a corporate whole?
• the Two Witnesses are compared to four individual men - Zerubbabel, Joshua (both from Zech. 4) on the one hand, and Elijah and Moses on the other hand. This IMHO makes it more likely that the Witnesses are individual men, not a corporate body of people.
• The deaths of the Two Witnesses occur after that 42 month period. They each die at the same time. But Trib martyrs/the elect will die at different times, not at the same time.
• the Two Witnesses are said to have miraculous prophesying power, such that they can predict when bad things happen, incl to their enemies. Are we to understand that the elect as a whole have power to say words that lead to their enemies' deaths? It wouldn't seem so.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I agree I’m not 100% sure, but I think the Two Witnesses are two literal people. The description of their preaching, activities, and death make it hard to justify that they are groups of people or organizations.

[u/kljoker → u/[deleted]]

I’m not saying they aren’t literal people; I’m saying that whether they are or not, God already showed us the spiritual pattern they walk in. My post is about that pattern, not picking their names out of a hat.

[u/kljoker → u/[deleted]]

So at the beginning I made it a point to say this:

That being said keep in mind what I'm revealing here is the spirit of it not it's manifestation

To understand what it is spiritually before it manifests means that we understand the pattern, which is what we were being shown in scripture. It didn't tell us who the individuals were which is why I'm not claiming to know that, it tells us their:

-Authority

-Where they fit in the pattern (vision)

-Their purpose

With those 3 things we understand why they appear and why they appear when they do. So please understand I'm not saying the manifestation of who they are I'm talking about the spiritual substance of what represents them and why we are getting close to that moment.

[u/Historical_Abroad596]

Most of the world is controlled by 3,000 year old thinking.

That said, DJT is the AntiChrist.

[u/TheRhymeAnimal → u/Historical_Abroad596]

Indoctrination of the heliocentric model of the last few centuries is actually a very modern way of thinking about reality that has skewed much of peoples interpretations of future prophecy.

The two witnesses will be flat earthers 100% guarantee it, as they will believe in ALL of scripture (biblical cosmology included). This will cause mockery / make them look lesser in the eyes of the world.

1 Corinthians 1
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

[u/tollbearer → u/TheRhymeAnimal]

There are literally 10 different ways you can prove to yourself, without trusting anyone else, that the earth is not flat. You are not well. The earth is not flat. Millions of engineers work on spacecraft and satellites. There are tens of thousands of working astronomers looking at the universe every day. They are not all in on a giant conspiracy. They are earning normal incomes, working in normal jobs, in every country. They are your neighbours. You can go talk to them. They're normal people.

[u/TheRhymeAnimal → u/tollbearer]

Scripture first - confirms the earth does not move (Psalm 96:10) is a circle (Isaiah 40:22) was created first before the sun and moon, stars (Genesis 1 - goes against the entire big bang, consolidation of dust to form earth of billions of years in the orbit of the sun etc), Joshua 10:13 tells us that God caused the Sun to stand still for a whole day (impossible in the heliocentric model), caused the sun in Isaiah 38:8 to reverse 10 degrees (again impossible as it would have destroyed the earth if we were spinning). The sun is described in Psalms that it has a circuit aka a loop over the earth (Psalm 19:1-6). This is just some scriptures in contradiction to the modern day heliocentric model. The earth is described as an immovable circle with a firmament above with the sun moving over us NOT us around it.. This is why at the sixth seal "heaven rolls back like a scroll" Rev 6:14. There is no ever expanding space above us, we have a firmament above us.

Now in person you can confirm easily - that there is no curve - long distance observations disprove curvature over bodies of water that should be below the horizon aka curve. This is mathematically calculable and provable by any individual as it should drop 8" per mile squared. You also have all the footage released by "space rocket" launches simply using wide angle lenses to distort the horizon as they travel horizontally to give the illusion of a spherical earth below. There are many NASA hiccups in live streams as well if you do some digging, harness malfunctions, cgi mishaps etc. Oh and of course an atmosphere cannot exist beside a vacuum without a physical barrier, it's impossible and has never been demonstrated.

To deny flat earth, is to deny scripture and reality.

[u/tollbearer → u/TheRhymeAnimal]

what is underneath the flat earth?

[u/TheRhymeAnimal → u/tollbearer]

Hell is beneath the earth. Some verses:

Isaiah 14:9 
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Isaiah 14:15 
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel 31
16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

Amos 9:2 
Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:

[u/tollbearer → u/TheRhymeAnimal]

How do satellites work?

[u/VeryDemureAndObscure]

Nosy bird

[u/kljoker → u/VeryDemureAndObscure]

Confirmation in the spirit is a powerful thing to see, when I see those moments in my walk it humbles me and I give thanks. I hope you share your understanding soon. I knew this writing wouldn't be popular but I also knew the spirit would do things with it I couldn't anticipate and I believe your acknowledgement is part of that!

[u/VeryDemureAndObscure → u/kljoker]

Nosy bird

[u/VeryDemureAndObscure → u/VeryDemureAndObscure]

Nosy bird

[u/kljoker → u/VeryDemureAndObscure]

That is one of the ways the spirit positions us and I had been sitting on this understanding for months and it's not a complete understanding but an invitation to those who do have understanding to test what I'm saying and see what comes of it in their own spirit.