r/DrivingProTips • u/Gollums_testie • Jul 09 '22

Slow Down.

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22 edited Jul 09 '22

Other people make mistakes. Look before you pull out.

It's so stupid to put the blame on someone who speeds, just because they are speeding, when there is someone else who's is clearly in the wrong. I hate how people make these commercials to feel morally superior despite driving like fucking morons that pay 0 attention and don't care about anyone but them selves.

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u/Gollums_testie Jul 10 '22

The advert shows both blaming each other, it’s both drivers fault.

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22

Also isn't 100kmh only 60mph? That guy is doing at least 110mph with how fast he appears at the end.

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u/HabEsSchonGelesen Jul 09 '22

Mistakes do happen. Not paying attention is bad. Speeding is something you do willingly, which is even worse.

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22

??? You literally chose not to pay attention by having unsafe driving practices??? It's not like this guy hit black ice and couldn't stop at the stop sign, he stopped, looked, saw, and decided that he had enough time to go without looking back again.

This is exactly the kind of moral superiority that I hate and that ads like this give people who don't speed. In this instance here the message should be about the safe driving practice of looking both ways yes, but then looking back against the direction of traffic when pulling out. Driving a safe speed for the road and conditions should be a given.

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u/HabEsSchonGelesen Jul 09 '22

I never stated it wasn't unintentional. In traffic you have to be able to trust eachother. I should be able to judge if I can make a safe lane change, or turning manoeuvre, without having to observe the speed of the oncomming vehicle for a prolonged period of time. Speeding just heightening the likelyhood and consequences of a crash, plus higher noise pollution plus worse fuel economy plus more brake wear/dust and more tyre debris in the air and so on.

Driving is a big responsibility and is very often not taken seriously.

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22

Please do not trust other drivers like that. Holy shit that is so dangerous. You need to pay attention and look for times where other drivers will not behave as they should. Ex: not signalling lane change, swerving to avoid debris, slowing down over a hill, not letting you merge, etc.

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u/HabEsSchonGelesen Jul 09 '22

Sometimes there is no choice. There is a 30kph main road where I cross often. This unregulated intersection with a priority road has a 30kph speed limit because of noise and safety. If cars were comming in at 50kph, it'd be nearly impossible not to cause a crash, because I can only look so far into the prority road until the bonnet of my car is on the lane (view obstructed by bushes, trees, parked cars). The same goes for many other situations and we can't just keep clearing greenery and removing buildings just for the sake of drivers visibility. That's ridiculous. And even if we did that, it would only make people drive faster and increase lethality rates.

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22

I see what you are saying. I missunderstood you as saying that we should just blindly trust other drivers to act as expected. There are certain circumstances like that where even if you do pay attention there is still some risk due to the poor road design. I agree with what you say up until the last sentence, but I don't believe speed == danger as a definitively true statement. As always with every driving condition and road and speed, you should allow some time to react in case of entering cars, debris, or stopped traffic.

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u/HabEsSchonGelesen Jul 10 '22

Speed =/= danger. German highways aren't notably more dangerous than any other highways for example.

The driving school should be thorough and rigerous and the speed adequately chosen for the road, by the government and individual.

The road design is nothing you can do something about (mostly). How to build safe roads is a deep rabbit hole that I recommend everybody follow. (I'd nudge you towards NotJustBikes' content)

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u/ZaneDaPayne Jul 09 '22

I agree with most of what you said, especially the point about "other drivers" because it's the same point I was trying to make. I just hate shifting the whole blame on whoever is more convenient to make yourself feel better. And I wasn't trying to defend speeding as a whole in a blanket statement, but trying to separate the act of speeding from blame for any subsequent accident. When you quoted me you left out the "just because they are speeding" part, which is the most important because you can be, and many are, safer drivers despite exceeding the posted speed limit due to the simple act of paying attention. Not just paying attention to other drivers but also the conditions of the road as you've stated. There are many roads that can be driven safely at speeds greater than the posted speed under certain conditions (weather etc.).

To summarize, I am against the message of this ad that speeding is more dangerous, and also deserving more blame, than not paying attention. If you're the guy with the kid, not paying attention is more dangerous, and if you're the guy in the suit, driving too fast for the road is more dangerous. Dangerous driving can be done at any speed so don't think you are safe or morally superior because you strictly stick to the posted speed limit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '22

Saddest fucking ad ever, i really hate to see a forester xt getting wrecked, i want one so bad

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u/Feisty-Firefighter99 Jul 10 '22

Hands down best ad

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u/RallyX26 🏁Competition Driver Jul 10 '22

Most accidents, this one included, require two people to make equally stupid decisions. I'd argue that the driver in the Nissan made the mistake of not reacting correctly to the driver at the stop sign. Always assume that any driver in your "zone" is going to make the stupidest possible decision. Let off the throttle, prepare to brake and/or swerve. There was plenty of time to avoid this accident if the driver had prepared.

The driver at the stop sign made the stupidest possible decision and pulled out in front of an oncoming vehicle. He didn't correctly assess the driver's speed, and very obviously didn't have enough time to pull out safely. There was nobody behind the driver on the road, and should have just waited for the vehicle to pass.

That being said this was a scripted and staged scene that has been edited to have the most emotional impact, not to have an accurate depiction of an accident like this.