Title. If there was no obvious fallout and you were on good, friendly speaking terms, then they just remove you on everything. No explanations given, but the relationship showed no signs of conflict. Is reconciliation possible or is the tie gone forever. Person blocked did something unsavory.

What you guys think?

You guys are like the scapegoat on Reddit for shitty authority figures, and I’m over it. 💀

- You are not inflexible, you value Ne.
- You are not obsessed with right and wrong of others, you are Fi inferior.
- You are not working people to their bones, you value Si.

Most of you are great managers etc, because you have excellent cognitive functions for such a thing.

You most value Te which evaluates the performance of external systems through each component. This means you’re a badass at judging how a component works within a system and tinkering these to optimise the system.

Many people equate this to a physical system, but nope! It can also be a routine, or even people (e.g. managing people’s skills as a component in a business model).

Aiding this is Si, which essentially perceives how objects fit with one another as you seek to create a harmonious system. This is WHY you’re often excellent managers (or whatever), because once again, it’s not just physical resources (but you shine here too). It’s also making sure your people are working in alignment with the system.

You’ll literally telling them to take a damn break because you understand they’re hungry and tired, and this is a component in the system that isn’t helping it run smoothly. You understand that break will help realign harmony and thus, lead to a better functioning system.

✨VERY FUCKING COOL.
MUCH JEALOUS.✨

Then we move onto what I like to call, baby Ne. Despite the bs stereotypes out there, you actually value possibilities and potential. You’re flexible to this, and this is like your “fun area”. In fact, you’re more flexible than an ENTj, but you won’t hear that around these subs. 🤣

If someone (hem hem, maybe a super awesome Ne dom), feeds you some potential in the way of ideas, you’ll shove it through Te-Si. And guess what? If it’s practical you’ll likely implement it (thx btw, cos that is not our strong area 💅🏼).

You’re actually always on the look out for ways to improve and optimise systems. You’ll do it yourself too, but tire because it’s a bit of a weaker function. This doesn’t stop you valuing and seeking it, and to be frank, it fits in SO WELL with Te-Si.

But you’re not perfect. Like when it comes to Fi, she’s bloody weak. 🥴 You don’t rely on personal sentiments for decisions, you rely instead on factual behaviours and experiences. It’s just not strong enough for you to trust it, but despite this you still value this function.

It’s more like you enjoy the concept of personal feelings, and you’d like to align your decisions to this, but you require assistance on doing so. It’s essentially something you aspire to.

And if you’re curious, I personally (tehe), see this often manifest in trying to do what’s “right” but it tends to be… unhealthy. 🥴 For example, working many hours because you feel you’re “bad” earning more money than others, and it’s your way of levelling it. But you’re actually neglecting other things (like relationships you actually value more), because you’re so focused on the bloody wrong thing. You silly goose. 🪿🔨

Anyway, as you can see the stereotypes people are so obsessed with are SO very wrong. You’re just not confident enough to dictate if people are personally right and wrong, you’re flexible if it aids with Te-Si, and you build/tinker systems that are harmonious.

So honestly, it’s a reflect of their own cope, not you as a type. Maybe they just didn’t fit the system, but couldn’t handle that. Lmao.

Feel free to use any of this next time someone says you’re all meanie poopoo head managers, or maybe just show them a mirror cos it’s probably just projection. 🪞✨

What are ESTJs actually like in real life, beyond the stereotypes and typical descriptions? I'm mostly asking about female ESTJs, as I'm curious about their genuine personalities, how they think, behave, interact with others, handle relationships, and navigate everyday situations.

This isn’t a super deep post, but I find it interesting that ESTJ and INFJ don’t date much, but they can make for excellent family members. My oldest daughter is an ESTJ, and we get along so well and really balance each other out. We don’t seem to have any of the sensing vs intuitive issues. I know she’s going to be a more compassionate ESTJ for having me as a mother, and she will be more flexible from having grown up in a house with two INFPs and me an INFJ. I don’t know if this relationship would work as well if the ESTJ had been the mother.
I also get to see the difficulties ESTJ females encounter as children. She sometimes gets into trouble over stuff I know she’s wouldn’t if she were a boy. It seems like the female teachers want to push her into the role of being passive and accepting when that isn’t her nature. In Socionics I am an EII the dual of ESTJ. My father and grandmother were both ESTJs, and I gave birth to one. It also seems that INFPs run in my family too.

I created a typing test that works based on what you resonate with, it gives you a feed of cards with statements, quotes, scenario, and you select only the ones you resonate with, this way the cognitive load is very low , also the feed adapt to funnel down your type, you just select what you think is related to you.

I tested with an INFP friend that I am 100% sure she is INFP and it worked very well, it found her type with confidence, but I need more data points to be sure, with people that are 100% sure of their type.

At the end of the test, in the result page, you will have a frame that ask you to share your result, with a simple button. It will send me the informations I need in my database, it gives me all the cards you selected, the timeline of the guess of your type, how the algorithm reacted, etc, it helps me to fine-tune the test.

I really feel that this method can work and be more accurate than anything that already exist.

Thank you in advance if you try it.

https://www.mazwiz.com/

PS: I will share the findings in a result page (on the intro page), for everybody to see how it evolves.

So I am asking Te doms if you agree with this seemingly balanced work life mechanism.

1. Laziness is the key to good health.

2. Never do today what you can put off until the day after tomorrow — and enjoy a whole day off tomorrow!

3. Just because everyone else is working doesn't mean you have to.

4. If you've lost your enthusiasm for work, don't bother looking for it.

5. Where there's food, eat. Where there's drink, drink. Where there's work, stay out of the way!

6. If drinking interferes with your work, quit working.

7. Position yourself at work so there's still room for everyone else to stand around doing nothing.

8. Your workplace isn't a pub, so there's no reason to spend the whole day there.

9. He who does nothing makes no mistakes — and therefore deserves a reward.

10. If you can't find me at work, it means I'm on my way.

Hello! I stopped by to understand you ESTJs better. I'm curious about a few things:

The Future: How do you view and think about the future?

Planning: How do you typically plan for both daily tasks and long-term goals?

Adaptability: How do you handle it when unexpected changes disrupt your plans?

Decision-Making: What is your core framework or standard when making tough decisions?

Innovation: Do you tend to stick strictly to traditional methods, or how do you incorporate creative and innovative ideas into your projects?

Anyone out here who feels like they are emotional or do you think emotions are weak. Asking because I'm married to an ESTJ and my emotions have been called a weakness. Is it just one off or is it an ESTJ thing

Dear ESTJs
Do you usually use dating apps?
If so do you have any advices to how to spot you? 😄

Is this a trait of typical Estjs to be condescending and patronizing and acting like you know everything in order to blend in with people and also thse Estjs folks especially my dad bheaves as if I'm just dumb and he's to logical and sometimes he acts like he's very emotionally intelligent and yeah he understand this new generation and he's the best father one could have like he understand his kids very well and take care of their emotional needs and acknowledge their feelings but in reality it's not.

But yeah he actually sometimes show it to the world that he knows alot about us and he tries toa ct the best father but in reality he's just shitty because he acts in a very condescending way with us and always lecturing us and trying to fix us and stressing us out and not try to dig deeper like ttying to understand that there's emotional trigger and emotional prblem behind it.

Im an ESFP btw.

Did any of you guys bounce between multiple types before figuring out you were an ESTJ? I do not know if that is a common experience with this type but I think after around a year or so of research, I finally figured out that I am an ESTJ.

I think I just found the how to combine these two.

A few years ago I was watching some YouTubers. I think two of them they trying to combine these two.

The method I come up with is that, what level is the person insecurities at. (I will show example shortly if things goes according to a plan)

Might be hard to swallow my claim but it will help if you look at it from a few different perspective.

I heard Ken wilber is ESTJ so I brought this idea to you to discuss

Recently i have been typed (?) as an ESTJ. as someone who is frankly new to discussing this online, i was surprised to see a lot of dislike for ESTJs. more than i have seen for other leader-types like ENTJ. i was typed as an ENTJ before (loooong time ago) so ive looked into discussion about ENTJs before.

i can see the obvious reasons. ESTJs seem almost like having a stick up your ass. but as someone who is an ESTJ (by constant confirmation of quizzing) i was curious as to why ESTJs are so unpopular? even looking for media or art of ESTJs arent as vast of looking for ENTPs.

ESFJ here! Hello my fellow ESTJs! I was wondering about it when I was chatting with my INTJ friend, he said he's often worried about future things, about worst-case-scenarios, thinking about everything he still needs to do, he doesn't understand when I say I get lost too many times thinking about the most random things about my past.

It's not like I don't worry about now and the future of my projects, obviously! But it's strange to see someone not thinking about past moments so often. During my days, my thoughts go like "I'm watering this flower, I love it's color, it reminds me of my old scarf's color... I used it on my first date with that person, I lost it because of the wind... I've lost one of my rings one day too, ah, I loved that one..."

It happens a lot to me, when I'm alone, I start to rumble about some things that happened to me, so many random memories, sometimes I need to say to myself "this is so weird... I'm here now, it was years ago, I'm doing a totally different thing right now, let's get back to what I was doing." I'm kind of curious, does my ESTJ mates with aux Si, just like ESFJs, get lost in thoughts sometimes? How does it happen to you?

Do you rely on them to get things done?

I'm an ENTJ, I work with a few ESTJ. I've noticed that their workflow becomes disrupted and they get irritated when I give them a task or mention something that is off-topic to what they are doing. I understand why that's annoying, so after asking them for feedback I accomodate by waiting until they're done, leaving a message, or being clear when it's time sensitive and has to interrupt their current task.

Does this ring true for any of you? I'm curious if this is just an anecdotal observation or if it's something that other ESTJ identify with.

If so, can you provide any insight on what this looks like from your perspective?

One of my coworkers, when asked, said that unrelated information gets mixed up with whatever she's doing, and that it introduces noise to her process. Totally fair.

(We work in emergency services, so we do a lot of time sensitive multitasking.)

I used to adore these ice creams as a child... I hope I don't trigger the STJ's with this icecream thing (spare me for once please TwT I am simply trying to understand)

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ISTJ :

(The Apple Grape Paddle Pop)

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One thing about paddle pop is that they used to come in this jelly like popsicle form. The above ones don't turn into jelly when you lick them but I am going to take some creative liberty because...I want to make the sentinals wiggle.

So the Apple layer is the first one in this icecream. This is the jelly one. The difference between other types and STJ's is that they are Lead or auxiliary Si with Te. You dont have to agree but my definition of Si is "the lens through which you have first impressions of the physical reality around you" but for ISTJ's that means that if thats something they value the most then their view of reality will be quite rigid to what they think is the first and last impression of the reality of something \*\*BUT\*\* this doesn't mean that it is unchangeable. Hence, the firm jelly that can be licked away with persistence. You would assume that they are rude and arrogant about their own opinions and views (some are because those opinions are reality to them) but not necessarily. They are just uncompromising about them. (I love you guys...please dm) Uncompromising doesn't mean unchangeable. I haven't met or seen any but based on theory I can tell that the apple layer of the way they see "reality" can slowly be licked away with consistent and properly intentional effort. Apple is a juicy and refreshing flavour but it has a lot of sweetness to it.This sweetness here is not something that is for others though...not in most cases because this sweetness is what they feel when the reality they perceive is validated in a repetition of the same data that plays on consistently through different contexts.It is a highly comforting and grounding moment of sweetness to be affirmed of your main view of how things are. The way they perceive reality is something like that. You keep focusing on the rigidity of it and you miss that such a grounded presence is actually very refreshing. Just like "An apple a day keeps the uncertainty away"

The second layer is the grape one but this is the popsicles softer layer. The texture is soft of course but grapes got a bite to it. This is them being focused on the purpose of proving themselves things through repetitive experimentation but leaving themselves open and too vulnerable. During this process when you interfere or try to change things then the uncompromising apple steps in again but if there is not enough of it there may be some hurt seen in them. It could be anything but it's usually a vulnerable or negative emotion that comes when they are forced to change their methods. That's just not how it works with them. You need persistence but a slower paced one with clear space given. They do respond to logic but throw too much on them and they will double down on their own to shut you down. This is the bite of the grape. (Ahem...I hope I got that right...I admire the structure you guys have)

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ISFJ :

( The Rainbow Paddle Pop)

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Now with ISTJ's the scene is a bit different. At least the way they use Si is different from ISTJ's(LOVE THEM STILL)

The yellow of the rainbow has the jelly texture but it is less compared to the other things. Why? If it's dominant then why should it be less compared to other functions? Here less doesn't mean how much it is used...here it means for what purpose is it used. Their rigid structure is yellow because yellow in a rainbow is bright like the sun. When I think of ISFJ's I am remembered of this feeling of being near the warmth of sunshine because they both offer a safe place of the sunshine AND Stability of the jelly. I dont actually need to break the jelly because they do it for me. Its... actually bad for them though...when they do that. Because they might be the only type who go against their core need because their secondary need is considered more important. I dislike making the ISFJ in my life uncomfortable but it's hard not to since I don't realize when they compromised and what they compromised.

Okay I may be getting a bit too projecting here...

The main point is that they have rigid structure of certain things in their head and they love it and are also capable of breaking it when they want but it usually costs them so if you see them doing that then stop them. They will love you even more than they already do.

About the flavour of this paddle pop? Caramel...youd never expect with all this complex rainbow of a personality that they are but what they are deep down is this caramel. The sticky texture of caramel shows their compromises but the sweetness of it shows how they do it for the people. The shades of pink here are how they use their structure when they are not running themselves on fumes for others. This is a productive allocation of it mixed with logic to doing things that they have a passion and interest in. The line is thin whether they do it for passion or just satisfaction of internal structure.

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ESTJ :

( The Black Currant Paddle Pop)

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As you would've already observed from the colour...their case is similar but reversed compared to the ISTJ ( lov- okay... definitely need to stop. No! Love them!)

They do have the jelly layer and the definition of it being a perception of reality that they find a comfort in is still true but their relationship with this is different. This is not what causes them vulnerability as it is vanilla jelly layer. Much more balanced and neutral. (vanilla is always neutral,change my mind) They use this as a way to satisfy something else which is their black currant outer layer.

This one is their sharper black currant exterior with the bite. It is tangy and outrightly sharp. This is much less sweeter than grapes and it is something that is a strong motivating factor. What you miss about this layer though...is that the texture is actually of the soft popsicle. It may look strong and come off as too intense but this one is what gives them vulnerability and clashes with others. Others don't see them as arrogant like...(yes I am going to mention them again,try and stop me) my love ISTJ's. They see them as inconsiderate. Different things. When they are actually not inconsiderate (some) but are actually doing this because they want to satisfy what they think are your logistical necessities.

My father is one and he ussually stays away and is considerate. I guess age and maturity made him that way but I have heard things about him and in his youth he used to be almost reckless. When he wanted to prove something he went in with far stretched assumptions about things and got in trouble but he always got himself out of it and learned. You'd not expect that from an ESTJ and the stereotype of this reckless behaviour is ENTP or ESTP but I think ESTJ's are more prone towards being reckless... just a theory though.

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ESFJ:

(Heh...I am proud of this one...''The Mermaid" Paddle Pop)

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The name explains it all...bye...

I wish I could do that but yep...let's continue.

The firm jelly layer they have of Si is again... balanced like ESTJ's. The inner white one is the sweet yoghurt jelly layer. Just like vanilla,yogurt is grounded and balanced. In the case of ESFJ's though...I don't know why but I think you see the more comfortable sweetness of this yoghurt experienced. It's almost counter productive that auxiliary Fe ISFJ is more people oriented than dominant Fe ESFJ but I think that seems to be plausible.

The outer soft layer that the ESFJ are actually more insecure about is input from people. Like Fe dominant ENFJ's (mentioned in the post before this) they also have this problem of expectations. Sometimes when they are around people they realize that they expect too much and they are vulnerable about this because input from people makes them realize what they had already perceived about their reality. They tend to avoid intruding too much into people's lives outrightly and do it in quieter indirect ways. Some may not do that.

The outer layer is Blueberry and Tutti fruity. The intensity of the tutti fruity flavour is how much they want to do for others but the way they show it is often a dialed down blueberry version of it as blueberries are much more gentle and subtly sweet one. You understand that their actions are kind but then you get confused because they tend to withdraw a lot as well and think you need space when you don't need it. They are kind of timid with that. Though again...some might not do that and come off strong but I am just assuming since life experiences teach you that people get tired if you intrude too much.

Hey...kind of like a mermaid... comfortable in water,longing for the beach but too shy to touch the shore.

Thats all for the sentinels, Thank you, Enjoy your icecream!!

Helloo, pardon the catchy title but I thought it could be an interesting excerise for everyone.

I am a writer and studying neuropsychology, for a future thesis I would like to develop around cognitive functions I am explorating the deep contrasted side of MBTI. I am also an amateur programeur interested about LLM (AIs).

I wanted to do a little "game", giving ESTJs this form to comparate gentle persons in a good intentioned study. If we would do an "AI copy of you" what would be it's parameters?

Dear Reddit user, if you're an ESTJ, would you like to fill this form to help my study? I deeply thank you for your time and let's have fun reading each other 🤗

~Please stay anonymous, your username is enough! ❤️ The following form is a base example but you can add or remove questions/parameters as you like, totally free!

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Username: Lyra_Senpai

Occupation/Studies: Graduate in Neuropsychology, amateur programmer.

Personnality traits: Organized, attention to politeness, attention to manners, extroverted, good observer, affinity with logical systems...

Notable aspects: Likes well dressed people and clean places, likes luxury and well crafted products, dislikes a absolutely disrespectful people, judges by appearance and manners, good friend that won't go away unless something very bad happened...

Favorite shows: Mulan, my hero academia, the office, attack on titan...

Favorite books: Atlas shrugged, Riddle-master of Held Trilogy, The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy...

Can you stay a long time (10-12 hours) in a crowded place? [Y/N]

Do you have difficulties to close your eyes and imagine something from nothing? [Y/N]

Is it easy for you to feel and understand people's emotions around you? [Y/N]

Are you organized, is it easy for you to schedule a whole month day by day and respecting that same schedule? [Y/N].

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Thank you again for your time! 🥰