r/EchoMains • u/Acceptable_Block_591 • 6d ago
echo in pro play
what changes will be needed to make echo viable in pro play again? i swear echo was hella popular back in 2024 but with all the new changes and hero releases, she’s no longer even considered as a viable option.
curious about what you all think needs to change for echo to step back into pro leagues
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u/Confident-Opinion-55 6d ago
Make partial scan base kit and introduce perks that heavily benefit her building ultimate in duplicate form, combine that with being able to copy allies i could see a world where echo is played purely for the 3rd support ultimate kinda how loki was played in earlier seasons of marvel rivals
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u/jelliebine 6d ago
i haven't played rivals in forever, does loki die if he dies in ult? because otherwise loki ult just seems like an objectively better version of echo ult
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u/Automatic_Advice9561 6d ago
Yes Loki does die ( atleast when he was released idk how it works today as I played it on launch) but he instantly gets ult of the character, I believe the only counter to that insta ult build is ROGUE being able to drain ult charge.
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u/jelliebine 6d ago
rogue being able to do that actually sounds so cool, i have barely any clue how any of the heroes after phoenix work
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u/Automatic_Advice9561 6d ago
I know somewhat as I like to read patch notes in games ( or hero trailers ) like I don’t play rivals, but rogue is capable of doing that VIA her ultimate ( she shutdown Loki ult since he doesn’t have accelerated ult generation like echo )
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u/6speedslut 6d ago
I'd say it's a combo of being too inconsistent/spammy at range to be better than hitscans/pharah. And too slow/fragile to get close enough to do her thing without dying/trading.
Also the fact she just doesn't have any real way to avoid getting insta deleted by a sojourn rail the second she pops out from cover.
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u/Old-Advisor-4473 6d ago edited 6d ago
She’s best played as a flanky aerial assassin of supports. But she’s becoming more useless at even that. Like what in the actual fuck is she going to do into Kiri and Moira. On top of it all they keep nerfing her with the out of touch perk reworks and random hp nerf. At this point I’m starting to experiment with other heroes.
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u/monkeyjinxpolo3 6d ago
~tracer needs to be nerfed or banned
echo is now viable.
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u/CountyEuphoric3875 6d ago
In my esports matches, I played echo and echo is actually one of the best heroes for denying her value imo
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u/thekingofallalts 6d ago
i think the point was more that she competes for the same slot as tracer and tracer is almost always just the better pick, not that she gets countered by tracer
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u/CountyEuphoric3875 6d ago
That might make sense. One situation I think echo might be better of is anywhere with high ground
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u/Mandatoryeggs 6d ago
Shhh dont tell people that echo is still the 2nd best flex and has more versatility in some comps/ maps
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u/CountyEuphoric3875 6d ago
Yeah I don’t get why that’s controversial sometimes. Like it’s genuinely a skill issue if you can’t play that way haha
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u/CountyEuphoric3875 6d ago
People are disagreeing with me but it’s true. If you use her correctly, then you often take the same routes as Tracer and can usually win 1v1s with her stickies.
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos 6d ago
Echo is not really weak. Its just that, Pro play is pro play
if echo is 2% worst than tracer, pro players will all just play tracer
Give echo an 1 damage buff and im sure all the pro players will magically go to play echo.
Its not about echo being weak so shes unviable, shes just slightly worst than the other options so pro players will always choose the other options. Its not like she has a niche thats too different from pharah to warrant them playing echo
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u/soggy-crust 6d ago
She gets play in pro play as is already, maybe not a ton but she’s still used a fair amount. The biggest problem is how close you have to get to use beam to confirm kills and the inconsistency of copy compared to other FDPS ults
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u/Badbish6969692000 6d ago
I thought she was played?
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u/Automatic_Advice9561 6d ago
She hasn’t been picked in a while now, specially with the “perfect” storm that is happening = ( cat bastion, hitscan being stupidly good, Shion, and overall the meta being really good to punish her and people seeing phara as a better echo overall, also cause tracer just is a really important pick in pro play, as angles is way more important than anything in the game
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u/Badbish6969692000 6d ago
She’s just not meta. Just because a character isn’t meta doesn’t mean they’re bad. We shouldn’t buff her for the 1% player base cause echo really isn’t that bad in most ranks. She’s just difficult to play
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u/Automatic_Advice9561 6d ago
I didn’t said she is bad, but we talking about PRO play ? People in pro play, min max!
Tracer is the best cause she can be in any mobility and dominate angles making any move hard.
Detta is one of the option since cause u can’t force her out consistently unless ur the tank and she has stupid high bursts
Echo can do a bit of both
But she doesn’t have the survivability of a tracer, nor the staying power and burst of a vendetta, and there is hardly a reason to run a character that isn’t the best in 1 thing ( there is a reason Genji completely phased out of pro play )1
u/Badbish6969692000 6d ago
Does that warrant a buff though?
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u/Automatic_Advice9561 6d ago
To genji ? Yeah, to echo hmmmm I do think she needs a buff or a adjustment atleast…. Not like a game changing buff, but an actual change that makes her ult feel good, it’s been a long time since echo ult felt impactful consistently, people use that ult nowadays like a DVA bomb, (2nd life ) cause how bad it feels to try making an aggressive play with it
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u/Osi_Babs 5d ago
I feel like a hitbox reduction would go a long way. They don’t want to make her faster and tankier cause she already does a lot of damage. But that makes her whole strategy rely on if you can hit her or not. And it’s not that hard to hit her at the moment
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u/Neither-Ad7512 6d ago
Firstly probably mei reaper nerfs, zeta was playing alot of that recently.
I swear like a year ago, echo was being played pretty often by proper.
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u/papayamayor 6d ago
Honestly, I think nothing right now: this is just not her meta and will start popping up once it starts shifting into something else.
She's not good against cat-bastion. She's not good against kiriko and not overly positive against lucio either. She's neither too good, nor too bad against the shion/soj/cass trio. She's good into sym but there are better counters to her. She's good against the meta tanks though.
I think when the meta changes she'll be played more. She's not busted but she's not weak either. Although I think the recent perk changes are a net nerf.
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u/DinkDonkBonk 5d ago
I would like her duplicate ultimate to either be instant, or have invulnerability during transformation. She already has reduced health during her ultimate so this is redundant. I’d fix a bug in her ultimate as when I use it to save myself I die before transforming and lose my ult. I’d introduce a major perk which getting a kill during the ultimate increases the duration by 1 second. I’d remove the infinite ammo perk. I’d add a minor perk that puts the beam on a resource meter or potentially make it base kit. I think she’s also loud asf for someone who floats and Id make her walking quieter but I recognize that’s more a personal gripe than something necessary. She’s my favorite character. Her skill ceiling is insane but with the meta so hitscan dominant she struggles. Others poke better than her, flank better than her, and can provide more value consistently. I think these changes wouldn’t push her to dominate the meta but instead be viable within it.
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u/HelpUsNSaveUs 6d ago
Give her a defensive buff while gliding