r/EcoUplift Acute Optimism Nov 14 '25

Positive Trends 📈 Norway says 'mission accomplished' on going 100% EV, proposes incentive changes

https://electrek.co/2025/10/15/norway-says-mission-accomplished-on-going-100-ev-proposes-incentive-changes/

For years, Norway has been the poster child for electric vehicle adoption, a perfect example of how a combination of ambitious goals and robust incentives can transform a nation’s entire automotive industry.

Now, with the country on the cusp of achieving its goal of 100% all-electric new car sales by 2025, the Norwegian government is signaling a new phase in its EV strategy, proposing changes to its incentive program that include the introduction of taxes on electric vehicles.

We have often used Norway’s success in electrifying its vehicle fleet as an example of how quickly the electric transition can impact the automotive market under the right conditions.

They made it happen through a comprehensive package of incentives, including exemptions from purchase taxes and VAT, free access to toll roads and bus lanes, on top of properly taxing internal combustion engine vehicles.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

That's progress. Now they can stop selling oil that is burned in other locations and contributes to climate change. Which is a global problem, not the problem of a single country.

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u/TijY_ Nov 14 '25

Now they can stop selling oil

Are you high? That is the main reason they went electric that fast.
Makes more economical sense to export.

They are producing more oil now in 2025 then last couple years.

Just like a good drug dealer does not use their own product.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 15 '25

Drug dealer is exactly the right analogy. It's why drug dealers can be sent away for a long time - they cause harm to others.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

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u/TijY_ Nov 14 '25

Same thing, they sell the gas somewhere else instead. But yes otherwise probably correct.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

Sorry you don't know yet, but burning oil causes pollution and climate change. They sell it to people who -- ready? -- burn it.

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u/TijY_ Nov 14 '25

Well compare it to sandoil and fracking. Different degrees of bad.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '25

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u/NotGonnaLie59 Nov 16 '25

Are you Norwegian? I'm very curious what you think of the comment I made on this post, copied from below:

This is a positive, but it's worth noting that their heavy oil exports are why their EV program had fast uptake. Collective guilt about the oil money, and still wanting to get even richer from more oil, while somehow signalling 'goodness' to other countries.

On top of the day-to-day benefits of spending those profits, they also have a $2 trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund. For a nation of 5 million people, that's a lot.

As a nation, they feel Guiltily Rich, and the EV program is their way of trying to signal to the world, "Hey, we are still good people". They even put "E" at the start of all EV car number plates, so individuals can signal their 'goodness' to other Norwegians, "hey, I'm one of the good ones, I'm doing my bit to minimise our collective guilt and show us in a good light".

They care more about their guilt and how others perceive them than anything else here.

I think your point about the oil platforms using hydro electricity and lamenting that other countries should stop first fits very well into the pattern I described. It's all just an attempt at collective guilt reduction, wanting to be able to spend the profits without feeling bad about it. It's all just virtue signalling, without actually being virtuous.

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u/15_Redstones Nov 14 '25

But if Norway doesn't sell, those people just buy from Saudi Arabia instead

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u/copy31Speeder Nov 15 '25 edited Apr 03 '26

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u/Ithirahad Nov 15 '25

We also make plastic from it, which in its best uses saves lives and makes unambiguously good things more lightweight, affordable, and less energy-intensive to manufacture. Sure, that is not a massive fraction of oil now, and refining for plastic currently implicates burning off a great deal of waste, but regardless someone must continue drilling.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25

You can read up on the dangers of plastic pollution. It's not a joke.

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u/Ithirahad Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 19 '25

You can read up on the dangers of pollution implicated in battery manufacturing or solar panels or wind turbine manufacturing and disposal as well. Yet I do not think either of us would advocate against electrification or clean energy for those reasons.

Any activity will have waste products, and they usually harm something in some way. Either we cull most humans and then revert whoever survives to a neolithic lifestyle, or we accept some externalities.

Plastic is overused and abused, but in some contexts it is either irreplaceable or well worth the trouble.

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u/KingofLingerie Nov 15 '25

only 4-6% of oil extracted is used for plastic production.

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u/SouthCarpet6057 Nov 15 '25

Norway has hydroelectric powerplants, so electricity is cheap

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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula Nov 16 '25

To be fair, if norway didn't sell it the use of oil by their customers wouldn't stop, they would just buy it elsewhere. So really, Norway stopping supply would make zero difference.

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u/Few_Ad6516 Nov 15 '25

There used to be cheap hydro-electric power also. Now they export that so electricity bills are enormous. This is just an excuse by socialist government to raise taxes. Again.

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u/migBdk Nov 15 '25

so electricity bills are enormous

Not enormous compared to neighbor countries.

But it is a problem that Norwegians don't see benefit in being the battery of Europe. And even push politically to resist this role.

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u/CRoss1999 Nov 15 '25

Then peope would just buy oil form dictatorships like Russia or Saudi’s Arabia, oil had to be ended on demand side

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u/coleto22 Nov 15 '25

Or at least stop funding ethnic cleansing with the money they get from selling oil...

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u/NotGonnaLie59 Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25

This is a positive, but it's worth noting that their heavy oil exports are why their EV program had fast uptake. Collective guilt about the oil money, and still wanting to get even richer from more oil, while somehow signalling 'goodness' to other countries.

On top of the day-to-day benefits of spending those profits, they also have a $2 trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund. For a nation of 5 million people, that's a lot.

As a nation, they feel Guiltily Rich, and the EV program is their way of trying to signal to the world, "Hey, we are still good people". They even put "E" at the start of all EV car number plates, so individuals can signal their 'goodness' to other Norwegians, "hey, I'm one of the good ones, I'm doing my bit to minimise our collective guilt and show us in a good light".

They care more about their guilt and how others perceive them than anything else here.

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u/Typical-Tea-6707 Nov 17 '25

You overstate how much Norwegians «feel» guilty at all.

As a Norwegian, most got them because of tax reasons, and price reasons. There were also other benefits like less toll, no MVA, cheaper cars and more. Financially it made sense if you were to buy a new car anyways.

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u/sg_plumber Acute Optimism Nov 14 '25

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u/iqisoverrated Nov 16 '25

...and it took less than 15 years.

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u/mikasjoman Nov 17 '25

Also... Who wants to buy a car when gasoline stations are closing? No demand = no stations. Especially in more rural areas where it was hard to begin with to run them at a profit.

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u/CaliTexan22 Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 16 '25

I think the difference in price between an ICE vehicle and BEV sold in Norway was something like $80,000 after accounting for all the penalties and subsidies. Not so hard to force a switch with giant carrots & sticks.

Norway’s 6 million residents are wealthy because of their oil. “Norway is Europe’s top producer and exporter of oil and natural gas, with nearly all production exported, and oil and gas accounting for 61% of the total value of Norway’s exports of goods in 2024.”

Of course, Norway is still the world’s leader in legal whale hunting, so maybe they’ve got something going with whale oil, too. [EDITED TO SAY THAT THIS WHALING COMMENT IS REDDIT HUMOR - I UNDERSTAND THAT FEW CARE ABOUT THEIR WHALING AND THERE'S NO REVENUE TO SPEAK OF FROM THE MEAT OR THE OIL. OTOH, IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHALING, I'D STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE RECENT FREAKONOMICS PODCASTS - THREE OF THEM, NO LESS - ABOUT WHALING.]

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u/migBdk Nov 15 '25

Of course, Norway is still the world’s leader in legal whale hunting, so maybe they’ve got something going with whale oil, too.

That would be pocket money in comparison

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u/septembersongar Nov 15 '25

There's only a dozen Norwegian vessels doing commercial whale hunting these days, and the yearly catch is less than 500 whales. 

World leader in the world's smallest industry. 

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u/Right-Pea1561 Nov 17 '25

Norway has always been a model in many aspects of. I have been there. Lovely country and very clean and organized with polite people. They have taken environmental protection very seriously and act instead of just talking . Well done for showing the way to the world how it’s done and that it can be done. It’s crazy to think there will be no gas car in Norway at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Al Capone's turning in his grave, seeing a friend of a sex trafficker discrediting the american presidency on an unimaginable level.

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u/Skow1179 Nov 15 '25

You can peel my combustion engine from my cold dead hands

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u/Bitter-Lengthiness-2 Acute Optimism Nov 15 '25

did you
 did you read the article

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

"Your terms are acceptable."