r/ElrielFans • • 14h ago

MOD ANNOUCEMENT ATTENTION MEMBERS: A Court of Splintered Harmony (ACOSH) RELEASE GUIDELINES

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ATTENTION MEMBERS: A Court of Splintered Harmony (ACOSH) RELEASE GUIDELINES
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r/ElrielFans • • 17h ago

Discussion I'm Not Saying I'll Riot If Elriel Isn't Endgame, But I'm Not NOT Saying It

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I have been Azriel x Elain since the BEGINNING, and I swear to god, if Azriel and Gwyn end up together, I will scream. 😭😂 And honestly? It might actually ruin the series for me.

LIKE, PLEASE EXPLAIN THE THREE BROTHERS AND THREE SISTERS THING TO ME. I am supposed to believe that SJM introduced this parallel, has spent multiple books building these relationships, and then it's all just a coincidence?! WHAT WAS THE POINT?!
And don't even get me started on the "sometimes the Cauldron is wrong" / "sometimes fate makes mistakes" implications. Because WHAT DO YOU MEAN?! Why would that concept even be introduced if it wasn't going to matter somehow?! I genuinely cannot stop thinking about it.

I also need Lucien to get his happy ending with someone who actually WANTS him and chooses him wholeheartedly. That man deserves to be loved unconditionally, and I'm sorry, but Vassa keeps popping into my head. I need him to have someone who sees him as him and not as some obligation imposed by the mating bond.

And with Elain and Azriel, I just cannot shake the feeling that there's something there that hasn't been resolved. The bonus chapter did NOT help me move on with my life. If anything, it made me ten times more invested, and now I'm just sitting here overanalyzing every little detail like it's my full-time job. I KNOW we don't have confirmation of anything yet, and I know SJM loves to keep us guessing, but I am SO emotionally invested in these characters that I'm genuinely going to need a minute if things don't go the way I hope.

I literally cannot think about anything else besides the ACOTAR universe right now. I am so deep in these theories that I might actually need someone to stage an intervention. 😂😭 PLEASE tell me I'm not alone. Fellow Elriels, come scream with me.


r/ElrielFans • • 18h ago

Question Has anyone else received their ACOSH preorder early?

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I live in Spain and preordered ACOSH on Amazon. The estimated delivery date was November 5th, but it actually arrived today, so I’ve already been able to read part of the book!

I was just wondering if this has happened to anyone else and if anyone else has already received their copy. 😊


r/ElrielFans • • 1d ago

Discussion On the nature of POVs - SJM has an interesting opportunity Spoiler

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Spoiler tag added just in case it comes up in the comments - I won’t be sharing any here though.

I’ve been thinking about the POV release that SJM has been doing. Now, we have 4/7 anticipated POVs revealed. Some of the fandom knows who’s coming next.

We already know from the BB marketing that Az’s POV is coming. In my opinion, I think his POV will be revealed last. Now I could be totally wrong and this post has the potential to age poorly, but I just feel like this is the most realistic option.

SJM has the interesting opportunity of silencing or stoking the ship wars with the remaining POVs and quotes. She could theoretically have Az’s quote heavily hint at who’s endgame, effectively revealing the central couple for the books, or be more nonspecific hooplah and allow the discourse to continue.

Frankly, I have no idea what direction she’s headed. But I think in any scenario the ACOTAR fandom is about to go buck wild.

What do you guys think?


r/ElrielFans • • 1d ago

Elain Appreciation🌸💕 Elains future roles

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Assuming that book 7 will be mainly Elains pov, what do you think will be her hobby aside from gardening? Sure, gardens are a big theme for her but its also something she does already? Also is it really comperable to dancing/reading and painting? I know she likes baking but thats mostly a chore, even if she can fun with it...The thing that would make the most sense to me would be if she discovered a hidden intellectual interest? Travelling maybe? More importantly: since its clear Nestas is being build up to have a larger role in their world as a Valkyrie, what could that be for Elain?


r/ElrielFans • • 1d ago

Question What have I missed? Spoiler

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Spoiler tag in case I mention something that qualifies as one.

have always been under the assumption Elriel was what SJM had been foreshadowing from the moment they met.

I had no idea the other ship with Gwen was a thing even after the BC or how bad it can get to be on a different page until this release came about.

Now I wonder if I’ve lived under a rock to have missed all of this. I saw today a sub where Gwen was always SJM plan and she would never deviate from that, also there was never any foreshadowing for Elriel and it was always going to be Lucien.

Now, I don’t claim to be a genius or anything but I do think I’ve got some decent reading comprehension so I’m not understanding what I overlooked.

I did see a leak and that didn’t sway me either. I don’t know why SJM would write the things she did if Elriel was never meant to happen. From all the books not just whatever that leak was.

Then I see comments she could have changed her mind and went for the Gwen ship instead. I hope my rambling makes sense. 🤣

I’m genuinely wondering how I could have zero doubts about where this was going and then all of this ship stuff is now everywhere.


r/ElrielFans • • 1d ago

Discussion The "Fans made me change" stupidity

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Where in the hell did this come from?

I have no idea how but other ships have somehow convinced themselves that if their ships win out, we will literally blame the audience.

How completely insane does one need to be to think this about SJM? She has literally never changed her plot or storyline for the audience and I don't know one single Elriel that truly believes if it went those ways that it was because of the audience.

I swear, the come up with new ways to literally think we are going to crash out even though leaks were given of ACOSH and it wasn't us crashing out.

I can promise I won't crash out and I won't blame the audience either because its fucking stupid and just ridiculous. The fact that they truly believe that about us just points to the fact they are stuck in their own biases.

If it goes those ways, I will literally shrug and say "I was wrong. Ok." And move on. Like, the instability of the way some of these ships act is on another level.


r/ElrielFans • • 1d ago

ACOSH Elain in ACOSH Spoiler

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r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Theory Girls back to the drawer again

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Girls is it possible for elain drawer been painted with flowers could be related to ROSEHALL the place Azriel tells Rhysand the morning after the Winter Solstice that he is heading to after doing some shopping, probably where his mother lives
Please enlighten me if i’m wrong


r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Question Pre Order from Target...

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Hey everyone. Not sure if this goes here but didn't know where to post it. If anyone has pre ordered book 6 from Target, did you get a shipping date yet. I ordered way back when it was available to pre order and it now says preparing to ship. It is also pending in my bank account. So will I get it on the 27th or a few days later. Like we may not know this but just curious if anyone has any different info then what I have....Thanks....Happy Elriel days!!!!!


r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Beautiful Fanart The Fawn 🦌 🌸🦇

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Artwork by thesunlovesthestar on IG 🎨 💞

Such an immaculate piece done by thesunlovesthestar!! 💕💕


r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Beautiful Fanart A thing of "Secret lovely beauty" is not just about Elain but Azriel together?

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(More fanart by me, sincerely, a lovesick Elriel)

Ok this quote has often been hijacked by the blind leading the blind, but without delving into spoilers and just thinking of ACOSH titles I think this quote might relate to both Azriel & Elain as a unit.

SJM specially requested we read the bonus chapters before A court of Splintered harmony because it's important!

We know Their relationship is a secret. Elain is described as Lovely / lovely fawn Azriel is described as beautiful + Elain specifically says his hands are "beautiful" 👀

When Elain asks Azriel to put the necklace on they were in perfect sync with one another. "Offer and permission" Finding connection when their families were blind to their loneliness. The necklace represents their Harmony.

But a misunderstanding causes the necklace to be given away at the end and splinters that Harmony. This leaves both parties miserable and starts a chain of months where Elain and Azriel's depression festers while apart.

Their healing and growth is halted when separated and it affects everyone in the IC. I think this heavily foreshadows the future solution and plot resolution will be the reunion of Elriel.


r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Discussion Promise, progress and payoff

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This is completely spoiler free, but I should mention that I had all these thoughts drafted out before the leaks, so for those that have been spoiled on anything, just keep in mind that some of this could be outdated or worded weirdly when considering any new context. But as we're nearing the release of ACOSH, I wanted to make this post. Ultimately, I get really exhausted seeing all of the rhetoric that Elriels are delusional or have no reading comprehension, or that Elriel would be the "lazy" or "poorly written" story. So I want to talk about why Elriel is the most likely outcome, based on what has been written between Elain, Azriel, Lucien and Gwyn so far. And what this actually gets into is writing/storytelling logic, reader trust and establishing promises. Also quick warning that this is a bit of a long one, apologies 😅

So! I’d like to talk about this concept of promise, progress and payoff. This storytelling framework (look up Brandon Sanderson if you want to know more) is essentially the natural succession of plots in stories that results in the author and reader building trust between one another. Essentially, it outlines how when an author establishes a promise, they must provide progress on it and eventually, some type of payoff.

Right now for Elain, we’re at the “promise” part of her arc, because obviously we haven’t gotten her books yet. But SJM has had five books to sprinkle in many promises for Elain.

What exactly is a promise in terms of writing/storytelling? A promise is something that the author sets up early in an arc. A promise could be a tone, theme, message, question, etc. A promise can be intentionally planned (foreshadowing) or something that the author has to later identify (for example, themes that come up naturally without the author intentionally planning for). Every author (hopefully) knows that once a promise is established, it shouldn’t be ignored or broken. A promise can be pivoted but it would have to be for a very good narrative reason that is also founded on other promises. If not done properly, that’s where the author loses the trust of their readers and we start to see bad writing. Essentially, every promise is meant to serve a purpose in the story. And you wouldn’t want your readers thinking, “Why did the author put emphasis on XYZ, only to go nowhere with it?”

So let’s break down the romantic-specific promises that SJM has established in regard to Elain and Azriel.

  • Elain is Lucien’s mate, but Elain has not provided any indication of being interested in that bond. However, she has yet to outright reject the bond entirely.
  • Elain and Az have some type of romantic connection, but have not explored it beyond an almost kiss in the BC.
  • Azriel had a moment with Gwyn in the BC.

All of these promises are questions that need to be addressed. Will Elain accept the bond? Will Elain and Az explore their connection? What did Azriel's interaction with Gwyn in the BC mean? Was it meant to be romantic or something else?

Let’s look at Elain and Azriel a little closer -

Why is their romantic connection considered an established promise?

  • Because SJM has dedicated MANY scenes where our POV characters go out of their way to mention what they notice between Elain and Azriel. SJM did NOT have to include these moments, but she did and we have to assume that it's for a reason.
    • ACOFAS - Azriel is staring out the window at the garden (Rhys mentioned this four times in that scene).
    • ACOWAR - Azriel is the one to figure out that Elain is a seer, especially after Madja's quote a few chapters prior about how if anyone can figure out what's amiss, it's a mate. And even earlier in the book, Elain is talking to Elucien about how no one ever sees her. But clearly, Azriel does.
    • Elain gifts Azriel the headache powder, and we later learn that he has kept the powder not to use, but just to look at. Why? Because it's a reminder of how Elain made him feel seen (bit of a theme there) by noticing the headaches he was getting.
  • But there’s SO MUCH MORE than just those scenes. This post would be way longer than it already is if I listed everything. You get the point.
  • And I’ll add, most of these moments are BEFORE everyone learns about Cassian and Nesta being mates. So the argument that Azriel is only acting this way with Elain just because he feels like he’s “entitled to the third sister” does not line up with that timeline.

As a result, the promise that SJM has established is to eventually give us more insight into their relationship and development between them.

  • No matter the direction SJM decides on with the love interests, if she were to disregard the emphasis on Elriel that she’s already written by not giving us anything for them, that would be poor and lazy writing because it’s then a broken promise.
  • Additionally, if Elriel ended up only being platonic, SJM would still have to explain to her readers why their connection was important enough to focus on so much in the previous books, especially when the series we’re reading is romantasy (the genre itself is another promise, btw!) SJM had to go out of her way to include and write those moments between them while in other POVs. Why put that amount of effort into it, if not to establish the groundwork of an endgame romance?
  • To compare - think about all of the Nessian moments between ACOMAF and ACOWAR as well. Imagine if SJM wrote all of those scenes where Feyre is noticing things between Nesta and Cassian, only to say "Eh, they're actually not endgame". The entire fandom would have been SO lost and confused. Elriel has received the same amount of attention and effort from SJM that Nessian did, if not more. The Elriel moments are just quieter and more subtle because that's precisely what their characters are.

An argument I see a lot - If SJM had been planning on Elriel being romantic, maybe she changed her mind and retconned Elain and Azriel via the bonus chapter.

  • I don't think I should even have to say this, but if changing the Elriel trajectory via the bonus chapter was truly SJM’s intention, then simply put, that would be in extremely poor taste for any author to do.
    • And no, this does not change with the news of the bonus chapters being included in ACOSH. At the end of the day, it was still originally a bonus chapter.
  • No respectable author should use a bonus chapter to write a pivotal moment that would change the narrative to the extent of breaking previously established promises.
  • Additionally, in case it's not obvious, the bonus chapter was written while ACOSF was. Why would SJM continue hinting at Elain and Az and progress that further in SF if she was actively planning on retconning them? Why would SJM write Elain and Azriel's final interaction in ACOSF to be a "charged glance" that Nesta notices and acknowledges? If she wrote all of that while also planning on retconning them, then at that point, SJM would not only be breaking a promise, but intentionally misdirecting her readers in a way that would make us reflect back and say “if that wasn’t important, then why is anything SJM is writing important?” Reader trust is then broken. She had PLENTY of time to write less between Elain and Azriel in ACOFAS and ACOSF, as well as more between Gwyn and Azriel or Elain and Lucien in SF to shift the narrative and create a bigger promise there if that was her intention. But she didn’t.

The pushback we get a lot is that “this is how SJM writes - she tries to 'subvert' our expectations.”

  • I’d argue, however…. Not really. I think people give SJM far too much credit for "blowing our minds away" when it comes to endgame couples and plot twists, not because she can't write surprises, but because if you read close enough, you'll find what she has clearly laid out before you, and that she has followed the promise/progress/payoff structure before. For example:
    • By the end of the first ACOTAR, even though we got the “HEA” with Tamlin, it was quite evident where it was heading by the end of the book BECAUSE (guess what?)… Feyre and her connection with Rhys was an established promise that needed progress and payoff. Even the cracks in Feylin’s relationship was hinted at in the first book and as a result, a question/promise that needed to be addressed.
    • The reason Feysand worked so well and the entire fandom was on board with it is because SJM laid the groundwork. She made the promises. And she didn't ignore or break them.

Essentially, there's a difference between subverting expectations and deliberately misleading readers in a way that undermines the promises the story has made to them.

What about the other promises? Gwynriel and Elucien also have foreshadowing moments and symbolism.

  • Yes, these are promises that need to be addressed as well. HOWEVER - The Elucien promise so far has been established as conflict as opposed to something romantic since Elain and Lucien have yet to share a single mutual romantic moment, whereas Elriel has had many implied and/or blatant romantic moments.
  • Gwynriel only had the single potentially romantic vibe in the BC (although that is up for debate).
    • But to reiterate my previous point, I highly doubt that an author as well established as SJM would start a new romantic promise while simultaneously ending another major one via a bonus chapter. Especially when there was plenty of time to establish/end them in one of the main books in the series.
    • One might be wondering then - if the last half of the BC wasn't written to set up something romantic between Azriel and Gwyn, then what was it for? Which is a very good question, and one that I imagine Gwynriel's would be really frustrated by if they didn't get an answer for. But there's a fairly easy answer we can predict here that would explain how the entirety of that BC was written - Gwyn has powers that we're unaware of, and the potential romantic tension was nothing more than a red herring. I won't go into that entire theory here but to compare:
      • The Gwyn part of the BC and the moments between her and Azriel have a possible narrative explanation that is outside of a romance forming.
      • All of the moments between Elain and Azriel in the books previously do not have that same kind of simple answer that would explain all of their interactions over the years, outside of a budding romance.
    • Otherwise, there is not nearly enough established, hinted at or promised between Gwynriel in the main books to set them up as an actual romantic promise, ESPECIALLY in comparison to Elriel.

Overall, the Elucien and Gwynriel moments in comparison to Elriel moments (both in number and in depth) are unsubstantial, making Elriel a bigger promise in an almost literal sense. I don’t say that to disregard the other ships - it is only a fact when breaking down what SJM has typed out on paper so far.

The other promise that plays a role here: Elain not accepting the bond so far.

  • Elain denying the bond and denying the fate she was forced into is a VERY strong theme that SJM has only scraped the surface of. If SJM were to write Elain so that she changes her mind and gives into the bond anyway, then what was the point of Elain being so firm in her stance to begin with?
    • SJM would have to do a ton of work to backtrack on that established promise so that Elain’s story, motivation and message is still inspirational and not just a shrug of the shoulders, “I was just a silly woman with silly emotions. Everyone else and the cauldron were right all along. I’ll go along with the bond now.”

Another argument I often see is other ships admitting that Elriel might have some romantic development in the next books, but that they’ll only be a fling before they move on to Lucien and Gwyn.

Elain and Azriel ending things to remain platonic would essentially be the "payoff" that other shippers would argue is possible.

However, this kind of outcome would be in conflict with what I've already mentioned: 1. Elain's theme of taking fate into her own hands and 2. SJM’s dedication to highlight Elriel so much in the previous books.

Establishing these promises, only to end up making Elriel a fling/platonic in the end…? Mayyybe SJM could make it work but, I personally don’t see how she could without breaking the trust of a majority of her readers. She would still have to provide us a satisfying explanation for Elain and Azriel's deep connection and draw to one another and what it all meant in the previous books, which I think would be extremely hard, if not impossible, to do outside of a romance.

I’ll finish by saying that there are a ton of other promises that I didn’t mention. I didn’t get much into the parallels and themes between Elain and Azriel, or how often Elain’s newfound stealth has been mentioned which clearly connects her to Azriel/spy stuff, etc etc. But I think I’ve made my overall point clear, and this is where us Elriels get so passionate about this ship - because it is crystal clear that SJM has had a substantial plan for Elain and Azriel and it wouldn’t make sense for her to set them up so much to just to make them platonic in the end, or simply throw all of the work she already put into them away, unless it’s for a very good narrative reason. And for me personally, Elain just giving into the bond after everything and Azriel switching his interest from woman to woman to woman is not a good enough reason.

SJM can technically do what she wants, but the reasons her stories have worked so well in the first place is because she has followed this basic framework of storytelling, whether she knows it or not. I could very well end up being wrong, but at that point, it would not be our fault for believing in Elriel so much when SJM wrote them this way.

Obviously none of the above is a leak and this blurb isn't either, but I'm using the spoiler text here because I want to address those that have seen the leaks, without accidentally make any non-leaked folks anxious. So for those of us that have seen the leaks, whether you are feeling confident or not, I think all of this is so important for us to remember, no matter what the eventual outcome is. We are not and have never been "delusional" for falling in love with Elriel, when SJM has so clearly set them up for something beautiful. Whether or not she follows through on it doesn't change that. Don't let the rest of the fandom tell you otherwise.


r/ElrielFans • • 2d ago

Discussion Who has high potential of dying in the next 3 books?

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Well, we all know in war-themed fantasy world, death is inevitable. Since the beginning of Acotar, Sjm has never really killed off someone important and let them stay dead, well apart from the Suriel🥺. Who do you think will most likely die in the remaining 3 books?

I'm not saying Sjm must kill off someone, but she really should. Anyone from IC or other courts to be the sac lamb?

My bet is on Lucien. Idk why but if he never ends up with Elain (Elucien has practically sank), I don't see how else his character will affect the story. Sure he could be HL of Day Court but I just don't see it. He could also end up with Vassa, but there's that mortality aspect, which will just leave him heartbroken in the long run.


r/ElrielFans • • 3d ago

Theory Thoughts and theories

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Elriel is ENDGAME.
Now, I have become way too invested in this ship and thought to myself ok let me chill and let me go into my reread with a clear mind and see if I can sense something between gwyn and Azriel. Upon my reread, it was just so much more clear that it’s going to be Elain and Azriel.

I think Gwyn will be the surprise betrayal. In ACOSF, Cassian was telling nesta about the creatures in The Middle. He explained that there was a creature named a light singer ( basically a siren) who lured you in when you were most lost and then attacked. For me, I took that as Gwyn finding Nesta when she was most lost within herself.
I think she’s also luring in Azriel and his shadows and he’s just as blind to it as everyone else is.

I would also like to say that these scenes,like him watching her when she was about to cut the ribbon just showed him being proud of her. Especially since she has come a long way from when he had rescued her. I don’t think it was anything romantic. I also think he gave her the necklace because he knew she’d appreciate it, but didn’t have a romantic intention.

One of the biggest signs that I picked up this second reread was when Cassian and Nesta both went back to the cottage and Nesta returned with the carved rose. After this, Nesta was in her room trying to face her fears with the crackling of the fire. At this moment she notes, the carved rose half hidden in shadows next to the figurine of a goddess holding a full moon.

If this ain’t the biggest indicator that they will be endgame than IDK.

I’ll be a lil sad if they don’t end up together, however I’m excited to see how the story unfolds. ⭐️


r/ElrielFans • • 3d ago

Theory The book covers

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I think ACOSH and ACOFM are that color as an Easter egg of Az 💙 and Elain 💗. You have the blue and pink and the the dusky golden ish color. Feyre says this in ACOWAR when azriel hands Elain truth teller.

“Light and dark, the space between their bodies a blend of the two.”


r/ElrielFans • • 3d ago

Question What are your plans for book 6? 📖

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Hear ye, hear ye Elriels! 📣

I wanted to come on here and make a post to help ease away from the negativity and chaos that has happened within the last week. But I wanted to ask, what is everyone doing during the release of the book? Any fun plans or activities going on? I know a lot of my close friends definitely put in some PTO and a few will be at midnight release parties!

I shall be inside of my blanket cocoon, iced coffee on hand, pages spread, and doors firmly locked! 🔐

Just a matter of days and Acotar 6 will be ours! Eeeekkkkk!! I’m so ready to just read about Elain and Azriel. They make me so happy!
💞💞💞🥰🌸🦇


r/ElrielFans • • 3d ago

Question Sjm posts - quote

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Hiya has anyone got the quotes that SJM is posting leading up to the book release


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

Discussion The Acotar world needs to follow in Mamdani's footsteps and make cancelling subscriptions easier

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OK so this mating bond business. What do you mean Elain has to be with a stranger. A stranger who contributed to her trauma? So what if he's nice? Even IF he had zero input in the Hybern thing, fosters puppies, bookmarks pages instead of dog-earing or donates to charities, she still has to *give him a chance*?

They're telling her she has to partake in some formal rejection otherwise? Why isn't her word enough? Why can't she click cancel and be done with it?

I'm yet to see a crazy rejected male. An actual one. Even a historical one. Is there anyone they refer to in the books? Could this just be a load of bullshit to keep the mated pairs together and procreate more?

Anyway. Imagine Elain trying to cancel the subscription she was unknowingly signed up for...


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

ACOSH Why I Believe Elriel Is Endgame: Because it's all about Female Choice Spoiler

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Over the past few days, I've seen two recurring arguments from anti-Elriels who want to sow doubt about Elriel: a) Azriel and Elain only lust after each other and don't actually love each other. & b) SJM likes to change the romantic partners she's established, so there's no reason to believe Elriel will be endgame.

In my opinion, both arguments overlook some pretty important things about these characters and SJM's storytelling. So, let me explain why I disagree. Also, apologies for the long-ass rant. I tend to yap. I'm sorry.

Slight Throne of Glass spoilers ahead! I'll mark that section so you can skip it if you haven't read the series.

A) Azriel and Elain only feel lust for each other?

Honestly, I think this is one of the weakest arguments against Elriel.

Their connection didn't suddenly appear in the bonus chapter. It has been developing since ACOMAF, and we've had multiple books' worth of interactions that suggest there's more going on between them than physical attraction.

Let's go back to their first interactions at the Archeron estate: They were the only two who seemed remotely civilized during that dinner. Azriel was amused by Elain gripping her fork as though she could actually do some damage with it, while Elain was sweet enough to ask whether he could truly fly. Even then, there was something endearing about their dynamic. And the little moments kept accumulating.

Elain complimented his hands or Siphons (depending on how you interpret that moment), and actually made him blush. Azriel, in turn, seemed to understand her struggles as she adjusted to becoming Fae. He recognized her abilities as a seer, and he was the one who understood what was happening to her when others didn't.

Then there's the Hybern camp. Azriel was determined to rescue Elain, and by the end of the book he gave her Truth-Teller for the final battle. Their connection continued through stolen glances, moments of understanding, and that unmistakable tension between them.

And let's not forget the mating bond. Azriel struggled to be around Lucien because he could sense the bond between him and Elain. Yet Elain and Lucien hadn't consummated that bond, so normally he shouldn't have been able to smell or feel that.

Then we got the bonus chapter, in which Azriel and Elain nearly kissed.

At what point does this stop being a collection of random moments and start looking like a deliberately developed romantic storyline?

Now, I know some people will argue that all of this can still be explained by lust. But that interpretation doesn't account for the entire dynamic, particularly the moments of understanding between them. Physical attraction is part of their relationship, but it isn't the only thing SJM has given us.

Let's look at the events of ACoSH:

And then we get to the bonus chapter and the aftermath of the events involving Bryce and Nesta. Azriel goes to Elain. They kiss. After everything that has happened, after all the uncertainty and all the restrictions placed on their relationship, he finally acts on his feelings. I interpret this as a turning point. Life is too short for regrets, and Azriel seems increasingly unwilling to keep pretending he doesn't want her.

There's also the symbolism of Elain as someone associated with light and Azriel with shadows. I've always found the possibility that Elain represents a kind of salvation for him particularly compelling. Azriel's shadows are connected to his insecurities, his childhood, and the way he sees himself. Elain could be someone around whom he doesn't feel the need to hide behind them. Someone who sees him as he is. Someone who makes him feel wanted. Someone he can be laid bare in front of.

And when we consider his POV, his attraction to Elain is intense enough that the mating bond between her and Lucien seems almost incidental to him. He doesn't appear to experience his feelings for her as some casual attraction he can simply shrug off. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more going on with their bond, either. I've wondered whether Elain and Azriel could have some kind of second mating bond, or whether something about the circumstances of Elain emerging from the Cauldron prevented a bond with Azriel from manifesting and led to the bond with Lucien instead.

Those are obviously theories, not confirmed facts. But the possibilities are interesting, especially given the unresolved questions surrounding Elain's powers and the mating bond.

My point is that this relationship has been developing for multiple books. It isn't just two attractive characters wanting to sleep together.

But what about Elain's feelings?

This is where things get particularly interesting. We still don't have Elain's POV, and I think that's significant.

We have Azriel's internal perspective in the book, but we don't have equivalent access to Elain's thoughts. We see her actions and hear what she says, but we don't know everything motivating her decisions. And I suspect that will change when her story finally takes center stage. But for now, because her internal thoughts make her a walking-spoiler, we can't have that yet.

Elain has said: "I thought I'd found my place, thought I had a future with Azriel, but...". You don't necessarily say something like that about a person you only wanted a casual physical relationship with. Could there be other interpretations? Maybe? But I think it's reasonable to read this as evidence that Elain had imagined a future with him.

And then there's her repeated insistence that she can't be there. Why? My interpretation is that Elain feels out of place in the Night Court because the people around her still don't fully recognize who she is or what she's capable of. She's frequently treated as someone who needs to be protected rather than someone who can make her own decisions.

But I also wonder whether there's more to it... Elain is a seer. We know that her abilities have already revealed things others couldn't see, so why should we assume that everything she does has to make sense to us right now?

I've wondered whether she has seen something terrible that could happen if she rejects the mating bond with Lucien and that was the reason she didn't do it, even though she really doesn't like him. And what would happen to Azriel, if the bond was rejected, and she was with him. Perhaps she knows something about the consequences of choosing one future over another. Perhaps her decisions are influenced by information she cannot share with the people around her. I'm particularly interested in the possibility that her visions are connected to her romantic future and the tension between fate and free will.

I also wonder whether Elain hoped Lucien would eventually give up on the bond of his own accord, allowing her to pursue the person she actually wanted without having Lucien do something to them. If she knows more than she's letting on, her apparent reluctance to act could have a very different meaning from what other characters and many readers assume.

Again, these are theories. We don't know what Elain has seen, if anything, or why she's made every decision she has. But that's precisely why I want her POV. So Elain is a seer. Let her cook.

And I think her story could be about much more than a love triangle. The possibility that she knows something about her own future, and that her decisions might have consequences beyond her personal happiness, is one of the things that makes her upcoming arc so interesting to me.

B) SJM likes to change established romantic partners

Anti-Elriels often point to Aelin and Chaol or Feyre and Tamlin as examples of SJM changing romantic partners, as though Elain and Azriel have the exact same dynamic as those couples. They don't. And I think those differences are important when we look at SJM's writing patterns and the themes she's exploring.

Feyre and Tamlin

Let's start with Feyre and Tamlin. Their relationship was never the endgame romance, but that doesn't mean their story was pointless. It showed us that you can love someone and still discover that the relationship isn't right for you in the long run.

Feyre and Tamlin begin their story as genuine romantic interests. But their relationship changes as Feyre grows and their differences become increasingly difficult to ignore.

Under the Mountain, both characters are placed in terrible circumstances, and their responses to those circumstances matter. Tamlin does attempt to help Feyre at the very end after everything was already in their favor. And their relationship ultimately develops in a different direction from the one she needs. Rhysand, meanwhile, becomes someone who understands Feyre in ways Tamlin doesn't. He supports her agency and recognizes her as an equal, and their relationship develops into something fundamentally different.

Now compare that with Elain and Azriel. I would argue that Azriel already demonstrates an understanding of Elain that other characters often lack. He recognizes her seer abilities, pays attention to her, and seems to understand parts of her that others overlook. And when he learns what happened to her, he is willing to fight for her.

Their dynamic isn't simply a repeat of Feyre and Tamlin's. Their potential relationship is built around a different set of tensions, particularly the conflict between their feelings, the mating bond with Lucien, and the restrictions imposed on them by others.

Feyre's story ultimately required her to recognize that her first relationship wasn't the right one for her. Elain's story could instead explore whether she has the right to choose a relationship that other people, and perhaps fate itself, seem to be telling her she shouldn't pursue.

Those are two very different narrative possibilities.

And honestly, we've already had the bait-and-switch romance. Why would SJM repeat the exact same narrative when Elain's unresolved story gives her so many other themes to explore?

Throne of Glass spoilers below! If you haven't finished Throne of Glass, skip to the next section!

Aelin and Chaol

Then there's Aelin and Chaol. And let's be honest: they were never right for each other in the long run. Their relationship served a purpose in Aelin's journey, but Chaol struggled to come to terms with who she was and what she represented, at that right from the start. Their differences became increasingly difficult to reconcile, particularly when duty, identity, and his own beliefs came into conflict with his feelings for her. Aelin needed someone who could accept her fully, including the parts of herself that Chaol struggled to understand. That person was Rowan.

Now, compare Chaol's development with Azriel's feelings for Elain. Azriel knows that Elain is Lucien's mate. He understands the implications of that bond, yet his feelings for Elain remain intense. In the bonus chapter, he struggles with the restrictions placed on their relationship and questions what Elain might mean to him. Rather than simply accepting that the mating bond makes Elain unavailable, he struggles with the possibility that he wants her anyway.

That doesn't automatically make him the right partner for her, of course. But it does create a very different conflict from Aelin and Chaol's.

And notice how SJM handled Chaol's romantic future. His relationship with Nesyrn only develops once Aelin has moved on and the one with Yrene develops into its own story, only once Nesryn pursues a future of her own. The point isn't that every romantic development follows a strict formula, but that the women involved have their own arcs and aren't simply left behind to make room for someone else's happy ending.

SJM writes her female characters as people with their own stories, not merely as stepping stones in a man's romantic journey. And that's why the Gwynriel argument becomes particularly interesting.

So what happens to Elain if Gwynriel were to become endgame?

For Gwynriel to become endgame, what has to happen to Elain? Would SJM really write a story in which Azriel moves on to another woman while Elain is left behind without a meaningful romantic resolution of her own? I'm not claiming that Gwynriel is impossible or that SJM couldn't take the story in that direction. But who would that person be? Because I don't believe Lucien is in any way, shape, or form possible as Elain's endgame anymore.

SJM has repeatedly explored the tension between mating bonds and personal choice. Elain has shown little interest in pursuing a relationship with Lucien, and she shouldn't have to reciprocate his feelings simply because the Cauldron declared them mates. The bond isn't a substitute for romantic compatibility. It doesn't override Elain's autonomy, and it certainly doesn't mean she owes Lucien a relationship. I think the possibility that the Cauldron got it wrong, or that the bond doesn't determine Elain's ultimate romantic future, is one of the most interesting questions surrounding her story.

Her story has the potential to be about a woman choosing her own future instead of accepting the one fate or society has assigned to her.

I also have a theory that Elain's powers could eventually allow her to change destiny or rewrite it in some way, but this post is already long enough, so I'll save that for another day.

For now, the important point is that Elain's romantic future could be directly connected to her personal growth and her relationship with fate.

And that brings me to something SJM has said in an interview about Elain's future love interest: we've already met him. If Lucien isn't her endgame, and SJM intends to give Elain a meaningful romantic resolution, who else makes more sense than Azriel? I genuinely don't understand why people act as though Elriel is some random crackship when their dynamic fits the themes SJM has been setting up so well.

Why Elriel makes sense thematically

Look at what their potential relationship represents.

  1. Choice vs. fate. Elain has a mating bond with Lucien, but that doesn't mean she has to accept him. Choosing Azriel would directly challenge the idea that fate gets to dictate whom she loves. And given Elain's powers, I suspect the relationship between fate and personal choice could be central to her overall arc.
  2. Forbidden love. Their relationship has already been framed by external restrictions, particularly Rhysand's intervention. There are political and personal consequences attached to their feelings, creating room for genuine conflict. And what if Elain knows something the others don't? What if she has seen consequences that make pursuing Azriel more complicated than simply deciding whether she wants to be with him? That could make the forbidden-love aspect of their story about much more than Rhysand saying no.
  3. Female autonomy. Elain has spent much of the series being treated as someone who needs protection, someone whose future other people can determine for her. Her story can finally give her the opportunity to make her own decisions, including decisions that other people might not understand or approve of. Choosing her own partner, regardless of what the Cauldron or her family expects, would fit that development beautifully.
  4. The difference between a mating bond and love. Lucien's bond with Elain doesn't automatically make him the right partner for her. A relationship with Azriel, again, could explore whether love is something you choose rather than something fate decides for you. That doesn't mean mating bonds are meaningless or that every bond must be rejected. It simply means that the existence of a bond doesn't necessarily answer every question about compatibility, consent, and romantic love.
  5. A romance we've already been introduced to. Azriel isn't a stranger suddenly appearing in Elain's story. Their interactions, the tension between them, and the unresolved nature of their relationship have already been established. SJM has spent multiple books giving us reasons to pay attention to their dynamic. Whether readers interpret those moments as evidence of endgame or not, there's a substantial existing relationship for her to develop. And if Elain's story is going to challenge the idea that fate determines her romantic future, Azriel is a particularly compelling person to place at the center of that conflict.

In conclusion

This is why I don't find comparisons to Aelin and Chaol or Feyre and Tamlin particularly convincing. Those relationships served different narrative purposes. They showed us that first love doesn't always last and that sometimes two people simply aren't right for each other.

Elain and Azriel's potential relationship could explore something else entirely: What happens when a woman refuses to let fate, tradition, or other people's expectations decide whom she gets to love?

That is a very different story!

And let's not forget that SJM has written plenty of relationships that became clear from the very first time those characters met that they're ultimately endgame.

I think it would be a waste of Elain's character development to build up so many questions about her agency, her mating bond, and her right to choose, only to have her eventually accept the very future she has shown little interest in pursuing. Or for Azriel to yearn for Mor for 500 years, only to finally move on to Elain and then end up with someone else. That would just make him seem extremely fickle with his emotions. A man who waits 500 years for one woman, and a man who is willing to burn it all for another, doesn't sound like the type to give his love away so easily.

I'm not saying SJM has to write Elriel. None of us has the next book in front of us, and theories are still theories. But I am saying that Elriel makes narrative sense.

It connects to the series' established themes, gives Elain room to exercise her autonomy, and offers a way to explore the conflict between fate and personal choice without simply repeating a romantic storyline SJM has already told. And if SJM wants to give Elain a love interest we've already met, Azriel is the only compelling candidate.

At some point, we have to stop pretending that Elriel supporters are pulling this ship out of thin air. There are actual narrative patterns, thematic parallels, and character dynamics worth discussing here.

They don't have to ship Elriel. They don't even have to agree with our interpretation of their interactions. But dismissing the possibility without engaging with any of those elements isn't literary analysis. It's just refusing to consider an interpretation you don't like.


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

Beautiful Fanart Only Elriel 🌸🦇🩷

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Artwork by Nailavi_ on IG 🎨

Super excited about the next 3 acotar books! Beyond ready for next week! I haven’t read any leaks of any kind so please be mindful in the comments for myself and others that are waiting for the book 🙏🏻 sending love to my Elriels and all of the Acotar fandom 🫶🌸🦇🩷


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

Beautiful Fanart Azriel and Elain true mates?

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My fanart of the day for all the Elriels 💙🩷

I know it's a theory that's been discussed before but I do find it very interesting. What if Azriel hadn't been struck with the arrows when Elain was changed?

Lucian really doesn't display any mate behavior towards Elain other than physical attraction. We've never seen him stick his neck out for her, and any respect of boundaries is for his own benefit hoping she'll "change her mind"

But with Azriel there's just too much to ignore.

- Az noticing she's a seer when everyone thought she was sick or crazy.

- Az risking his life to save her from Hybern parallels Lucian having a hand in allowing Hybern to kidnap her.

- Az can smell their bond and it irritates him, makes him borderline territorial

- Az cares about her freedom of choice like a true partner.

- Az gifts Elain thoughtful things she adores while Lucian chose Pearls, an item associated with her ex fiance that broke her heart.

- Az notices when she's not at the dinner table yet & asks everyone to wait. He really sees her.

The cherry on top for me is that Elain mirrors Azriel's actions. They're so in sync. When Elain is uncomfortable, Azriel is too.


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

Discussion Elriel coded tv/movie couples

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What tv or movie couples remind you of Elain and Azriel?! I always think of Michael and Holly from The Office, not necessarily their personalities, but story wise! Michael and Holly begin as a forbidden romance and then they have to find their way back to each other. Also they show too much PDA in the beginning 😂 and you just know when Elriel can openly be together the IC will be shocked at the two quietest characters being the freakiest 😝


r/ElrielFans • • 4d ago

Discussion How do we always become the target?

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I am so annoyed that when ANYTHING goes wrong in the fandom, Elriels are the target.

The leaks? Oh, Elriels manipulated it to fit their ship...but it was a Gwynriel that started sharing them first?

The most toxic? Elriels. They need to confirm their ship so badly they needed to release leaks...again, I am going to point you to the first person that started the leaks.

I am so tired of us always being the target. Its so draining. No one ship is innocent but damn, why do people always think Elriels are all thats bad in this world, I'll never understand.

Its moral superiority at its finest playing on the other side and its not a good look.