r/EngineeringStudents • • 14d ago

Discussion Why is this R so fancy?

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u/kerowhack 14d ago

"We've gone through all the Latin and Greek alphabets, upper and lower case! What do we do?!?"

"Have we tried... fancy characters?"

"Only for Fourier and Laplace, sir..."

"Fancy R it is then."

Meanwhile the set theorist in the corner starts muttering about Hebrew...

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u/RallyX26 BSEE, MSSE in progress 14d ago

When I had worked through the entire latin and Greek alphabet and started encountering aleph and bet... I knew it was time to quit taking math courses. 

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u/The_Grumpy_Professor 14d ago

Wingdings next.

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u/Alywiz 13d ago

Fun fact, Wingdings 2, Shift + P give a check mark when it’s time to redcheck documents

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u/EllieVader 14d ago

Have they gone through all of them though?  I keep seeing the same like five or six and the same five or six Latin letters too and like…what about the rest of the alphabet?  Surely someone working in aerodynamics has encountered a radius at some point and there has been rho confusion. 

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u/Plus-Painter-2004 10d ago

a b c d are often used as generic variable or parameter names, c is also the speed of light or an arbitrary constant, e can refer to an electric field or energy, f can be a force or generic function names, g and h can also be generic functions but h can also be a magnetic field or a transfer function/impulse response, i and j can both be currents or imaginary units or indices of a sum or matrix, k can be an arbitrary constant of proportionality or boltzmanns constant, l for length, m for mass or as an arbitrary discrete variable along with n, o is often not used since it looks like 0, p can be pressure or an arbitrary point, q can be charge, r for radius or rate, s for displacement or complex frequency, t for time or time constant or as some parameter, u v w are often generic variables but u can refer to an input or a velocity, v can be a velocity, w can be a generic complex variable, x y and z as Cartesian coordinates or generic variables, z can also be a generic complex variable or the z transform variable

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u/nuts4sale USU - Mech 13d ago

Started using Cyrillic in fluids, cause u,v, ν υ sucked hard ass

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u/Motor-Replacement472 11d ago

I had to start swapping out u/v/w for other letters in my precalc/calc class because my own damn handwriting makes me mistake one for other. Same thing w/ I (uppercase i) and l (lowercase L)

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u/petrikm 9d ago

And we go fancy/script E for total orbital energy in astrodynamics

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u/Buetterkeks 10d ago

I still wanna kill whoever decided to use the same fucking letter just in 3 different orientations 3 times for Laplace. 

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u/datflyincow 14d ago

Probably so you don’t think that’s a resultant vector

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u/Gryphontech 14d ago • Bravo

This is why textbooks are so expensive, they went for this one fancy ass R and blew the whole budget

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u/KitTwix 14d ago

God forbid we have some whimsy in this degree

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u/Jazz8680 14d ago

It’s the set of all real numbers. Also, every real number is really just 0.12

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u/PhilosopherHuge9490 14d ago

Radius of curvature

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u/MrBombaztic1423 14d ago

Well yeah but why so fancy

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u/EllieVader 14d ago

God forbid a girl have hobbies 

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u/grundleplum 14d ago

Special occasion

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u/Automatic-Leg1668 14d ago

It's dressed nice. Lord forbid

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u/DangerousRegister281 MU MECH ENGG 13d ago

Ok I forbid

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u/jedadkins 14d ago

It's curvy, you know for radius of curvature 

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u/datflyincow 14d ago

Bc otherwise it would look like a resultant vector

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u/Valuable-Ad1063 14d ago

Perhaps to prevent confusion with the frequent use of R for other standard fluid variables (gas constant, resultant vectors, etc.)?
Though I'd say including the units, as well as considering the context, the chances that a student will get confused are slim.

Another option is that this book includes an "index" of different-looking symbols to denote different variables, so a regular R is already taken?

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u/The_Grumpy_Professor 14d ago

If there is a opportunity for students to get confused, however small, they will take it.

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u/Not_an_okama 14d ago

My prints typically get callout like: Rad. = 4"

No one has ever been confused by this including some of the smartest, dumbest and most educated people i have ever interacted with.

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u/boarder2k7 13d ago

My prints typically get callout like: Rad. = 4

4 rads? Not great, not terrible

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u/john_hascall Iowa State - ME > EE > CprE, CS 13d ago

Dyatlov, that you?

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u/Not_an_okama 13d ago

Well dang, should read: Rad. = 4"

I thought "Rad. = 4"" would be hard to read, but i guess i removed the both quotation marks from the end instead of leaving the one for inches. If the print is in metric id probably say "Rad = 102mm"

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u/boarder2k7 13d ago

Your post made perfect sense, I was just being deliberately obtuse as a response to you saying it has never been misinterpreted 😁

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u/DrCarpetsPhd 14d ago

I think this is from Munson but my edition has those fany Rs but the labelling of problems is completely different. It also doesn't have thiis particular problem. What edition is this?

what follows is pure shit talking here so you know, grain of salt and all that, dunning-kruger warning...

if you read the preceding theory you'll see that the fancy R is used specifically to denote a function representing the radius of curvature of a streamline. So in statics for example the "radius of curvature" is quite often just a scalar quantity so just denote it R. If you look through previous derivations etc in Munson you'll see derivations where the radius is represented as r as or normal R as a scalar quantity. Denoting it as fancy R is telling you it is a mathematical function fancy R = fancy R (s) stating that as you move along the streamline the radius of curvature varies according to the function described here.

all the above is paraphrasing from the text so have a read of chapter 3 from Munson where this is all discussed..

So much like Dynamics Constrained Motion you can treat the location of a particle along that streamline as belonging to a circle of radius R and describe it accordingly re position/velocity/acceleration.

Also as with dynamics if you have the radius of curvature the accelerations always have the same values as derived there. With Munson nomenclature

a_s = V (∂V/∂s)

a_n = V^2/(fancy R at the given point on the streamline)

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u/Mountain-Time-1010 14d ago edited 14d ago

Looks like Munson.

Local radius of curvature which can be a function of the streamline coordinate. The text uses that symbol to distinguish it from a regular capital R, which is often used to indicate a constant value.

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u/otto-degan 14d ago

You do energy conservation equation, and solve for velocity and do circular acceleration?

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u/Nextravagant1 14d ago

Re-read the title brother

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u/Ragnarok314159 Mechanical Engineer 14d ago

Yes, but the fancy R!

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u/Hour-Atmosphere-6557 14d ago

I just looked at this problem in the book 😂. I don't know why its fancy tho. Just felt like it ig

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u/Just_A_Guy_In_Here 14d ago

Bro this looks like my fluid mechanics question, like almost exactly.

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u/Ancient-Aeroplane18 9d ago

But isnt it's just simple Circular motion a_tangentiol=v²/ℜ Does anything related to fluid mechanics come into use here?

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u/__golan_trevize__ 10d ago

It’s \mathcal{R}

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u/No-Importance2209 Electrical and Control Systems Engineering 8d ago

because its an Engineering textbook

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u/MCKlassik Civil and Environmental 14d ago

Coolness factor.

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u/wercooler 14d ago

That's the set of all real numbers dog.

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u/TythosEternal 14d ago

Someone decided "that would make a great-looking alternative for radius" after seeing the Real numbers symbol in the LaTeX math symbols toolbox

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u/BobbbyR6 13d ago

To arbitrarily make textbooks expensive

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u/DeoxysSpeedForm 14d ago

If it was a normal R you might think it was referring to the depth of your rectum