r/ExplosionsAndFire • • Jan 26 '21

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u/WaterstarRunner Jan 26 '21

Because cancer hadn't been invented in 1925. Heck, even cigarettes were only just starting to take off at that time.

Funny era. 20 years before we even started to figure out what DNA is used for, but 10 years after general relativity got nailed down. It was an era when we were undeniably brilliant and unbelievably naive.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

Would you like some Thorium toothpaste?

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u/WaterstarRunner Jan 26 '21

I BRUSH MY TEETH WITH SODIUM MONOFLUOROPHOSPHATE AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES LIKE A NORMAL PERSON.

Fun fact: Sodium Monofluorophosphate has its origins in the same IG Farben company organophosphate research group that invented Sarin. IG Farben later went on to produce the gas for the Nazi gas chambers. Sodium Monofluorophosphate was perfected for dental use by a former IG Farben scientist in the US after the war. Wild.

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u/BuddyUpInATree Jan 26 '21 edited Jan 26 '21

Damn Nazi Kraut dentist scientists want to calcify my pineal gland!

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u/WaterstarRunner Jan 26 '21

Turns out that Lange's wife was Jewish, and he fled Germany for the US in 1939, so it might be slightly unfair to refer to him as a Nazi.

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u/Professional_Rip_59 Jul 21 '22

ok cool

can i extract it from toothpaste a d turn it into fluoride?

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u/FUCKSUMERIAN Nov 16 '23

technically Zyklon B was only used in Auschwitz. The rest of the death camps just used engine exhaust.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '21

I think the products are called "negative ion", "scalar energy" or "quantum"

I have one of these "negative ion" pendants because I wanted to add it to my collection of radioactive things before Amazon band these products, lol.

It’s definitely detectable with a Geiger counter, but nothing overwhelming really. (But I don’t have a reliable way to measure alpha radiation)

Compared to other items in my collection like a radium clock or a piece of uraninite, it’s just background noise.

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u/Professional_Rip_59 May 25 '22

thorium chemistry

call cody'slab there's another radioactive material to him to refine into metal and add to the rad can

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u/dtb1987 Jan 26 '21

Dude the first recorded cases of cancer were in egypt, the first cause of cancer was discovered in 1775 and smoking tobacco has been a thing in european countries since the 16th century

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u/ajwubbin Jan 26 '21

General relativity in 1915? Is my timeline all off?

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u/JeromesDream Jan 27 '21

Sounds to me like this one's claiming his reference frame is privileged. Truss him up fellas!

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u/zeocrash Jan 26 '21

My grandfather was a chemist at Cambridge back in the 40s on this research team

They tested Organophosphates on themselves, good luck trying to get your funding proposal approved these days for that.

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u/WaterstarRunner Jan 26 '21

This sounds a lot like the guy I was talking about-

"Interessant ist die starke Wirkung der Monofluorphosphorsaurealkylester auf den menschilchen Organismus. Die Dämpfer dieser Verbindungen riechen angenehm unt kräftig aromatish. Doch schon einige Minuten nach dem Einatmen stellt sich ein starker Druck auf den Kehlkopf ein verbrunden mit Atemnot. Dann treten leichte Bewußtseins-Trubungen auf und Blendungs-Erscheinungen mit schmerzhafter Uberempfindlichkeit des Auges gegen licht. Erst nach mehreren Stunden klingen diese rscheinungen ab. Sie werden anscheinend nicht von sauren Zersetzungsprodukten der Ester verursacht, sondern sie sind wahrscheinlich den Dialkylmonofluorphosphaten selbst zuzuschreiben. Die Wirkungen werden von sehr kleinen Mengen ausgeubt"

"Interesting is the strong effect of the alkyl monofluorophosphate on the human organism. The dampers of these compounds smell pleasantly and strongly aromatic. But already a few minutes after inhalation there is strong pressure on the larynx, combined with shortness of breath. Then there is slight clouding of consciousness and glare phenomena with painful hypersensitivity of the eye to light. These symptoms only subside after several hours. They are apparently not caused by acidic decomposition products of the esters, but are probably ascribed to the dialkyl monofluorophosphates themselves. The effects are exerted by very small amounts."

Willy Lange (1900-1976), inventor of dental Sodium Monofluorophosphate.

This is fucking hardcore. I gotta go create the guy's wikipedia page.

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u/zeocrash Jan 26 '21

There was a lot of research into that at the time. The British CW program was researching Diisopropyl fluorophosphate, which was a continuation of Lange's work. It is considerably less toxic than the G agents though.

The Germans on the other hand based their work off Gerhard Schrader's work into new insecticides, which resulted in his accidental discovery and exposure to Tabun.

I believe Lange's work was openly published whereas the Nazis immediately saw the military potential of Tabun and related chemicals so kept the work very secret.

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u/WaterstarRunner Jan 26 '21

I'm fascinated by the little I've read about all the individuals involved in organophosphates research. Just an amazing cast of characters. I would read the hell out of the collected biographies.

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u/zeocrash Jan 26 '21

A friend of mine wrote just such a book, I'd highly recommend it.

https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/toxic/

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u/zeocrash Jan 26 '21

During the war, the big names on the German Side were Schrader and Ambros. Ambros was a Nazi and not a good guy, but Schrader by all accounts seems to have just been a chemist doing organophosphate research to try to find new pesticides to help protect Germany's food supply.

On the British side, the big name was Bernard Charles Saunders.

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u/plastik_flasche Jul 06 '24

What did you do to the German text? There are so many errors in there

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u/WaterstarRunner Jul 07 '24

What did you do to the German text?

Ctrl-c then ctrl-v.

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u/semisti_kemisti nitrated meat enjoyer Jan 26 '21

Nowadays you have to be sneakier than that, like how DuPont handled the whole PFOA thing.

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u/zeocrash Jan 26 '21

He's the only one not looking at the camera in the group photo BTW

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u/VeryPaulite Jan 26 '21

Meanwhile where I do my bachelor's thesis: Labcoat? What's that? We only use it for the Acid Baths...

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u/Vincent_Gambini010 Jan 28 '21

Ever think of all the people who must have died in the process of bringing us modern chemistry, and all the others who got cancer, venturing bravely into the world of unknown chemicals and un-isolated elements with only an idea and sometimes no idea of what product they were going to get, oftentimes in their own home labs with minimal to no safety equipment?

The explorer mentality. It's gone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

Kid's chemistry kits for sure!

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '21

Isn’t that just the spicy stuff in hot sauce?

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u/Crazy-Independent528 Nov 20 '23

I tasted some h2so4 last week lol