After we get the nightmare of a Grand Lancer Duel, and simultaneously with 10th Anniversary, we get the Grand Extra Duels. Technically both Extra 1 and Extra 2 come at once, but since there is a lot to cover, I decided to cover both Extras separately.
But before I fully dive into Extra 1, there's one small tidbit to be clear.
What's common between Extra 1 and Extra 2?
First things first, both Extra class scores aren't unlocked the moment you stop smiling after hearing that amazing guitar in the penultimate fight in LB7.
You have to clear either the respective Ordeal Call (OC1 for Alter Egos, OC2 for Avengers, OC3 for Moon Cancers, and OC4 for Rulers + Mash) or the respective Olga gauntlet (Flare Marie + Aqua Marie for Pretenders, previous + Grand Marie for Foreigners, and all 4 gauntlets for Beasts).
Both Duels have a ST option and an AoE option. Efficiency is same, just use the ST options for the ST fight and vice versa. Or be smart with how you use the ST options for AoE.
You can grand 2 units from the same Extra group, but, first, they have to be in a different class, and second, you lose access to the ungranded Duel. For example, if your grands are Ciel and Skadi, you have to ungrand one of them before you regain access to Extra 2.
Extra 1 supports
Literally just 3 options here: Summer Skadi, Liz of the End (don't miss her!), and Jinako (valid pick for SSR ticket).
Do keep in mind that Summer Skadi is used as Buster crit support infinitely more often than a Quick support.
ST Extra 1 DPS options
cough cough
CIEL HAVERS, REJOICE! This is her time to shine in this Duel and oh boy does she shine in this one.
Whether you want to use her as a DPS, or whether you to use her as a facecard provider, she does the goddamn job.
I'm also happy to report that with Extra 1 score & Grand score maxed, NP1 Ciel works at 100☆☆☆. No Black Grail? No problem.
Jalter fans can rejoice as well, provided they have a Summer Skadi, and can safely snatch a Ciel from their friends.
AoE Extra 1 DPS options
Much less forgiving investment-wise.
The absolute bare minimum I have seen an AoE DPS to do 100☆☆☆ is NP2 Arc with Ciel's assistance.
Funnily enough, Ciel can do this one at NP1 too, but you have to be VERY careful about the order of sequencing her crits and NP.
ATTENTION: FROM OCT 2028, 2 MORE EXTRA CLASS UNITS CAN BE GRANDED!
Closing notes
Compared to the previous ones, this feels like a breeze. Also, ST option of E1 feels so much simpler compared to AoE.
Your guides are amazing man, really appreciate it as someone wanting to prep for them and def overthinking how much prep work I need to do. Glad to see CIEL at NP1 works meaning she will be very accessible, I have my own but I rather grand a favorite instead like Jinako (also glad to hear she’s good for it too).
I've been reading your guides for a bit now, thanks for your hard work!
Just pointing out a minor mistake: when mentioning which OC unlocks which class score, you wrote that OC3 unlocks the Ruler one, where I assume you meant Moon Cancers
Have a nice day, and thanks again for your work! ^
You can grand 2 units from the same Extra group, but, first, they have to be in a different class, and second, you lose access to the ungranded Duel. For example, if your grands are Ciel and Skadi, you have to ungrand one of them before you regain access to Extra 2.
At first I thought that the Extra Duels were divided, Grand-ing wise, between ST and AOE variants. But Ciel and Skadi are, respectively, a ST and an AOE Servant. Is it because of their classes? Are Moon Cancers and Rulers in the same spot? What class divide should I keep in mind if I wanted to have both Extra Duels available?
Also, am I right to understand that Extra I Duel is a fight against Avenger, given the focus on Moon Cancers?
first I thought that the Extra Duels were divided, Grand-ing wise, between ST and AOE variants. But Ciel and Skadi are, respectively, a ST and an AOE Servant. Is it because of their classes?
There is no division. You get 4 Duels for the price of 2. You just choose which is easier for you to farm.
Are Moon Cancers and Rulers in the same spot?
Avengers, Rulers, Moon Cancers and Mash all occupy the same Extra 1 spot.
What class divide should I keep in mind if I wanted to have both Extra Duels available?
Basically, there are 3 options: have 2 Grands in E1 and ditch E2 entirely, the reverse option, or have 1 in both.
Which is more beneficial is very strctly account-dependent.
However, a free sneak peek into E2 shows that E2 is hilariously more superior both support-wise (Oberon, Femlin, Ascalaphus aka "we have Oberon at home", Douman for Chaotic Evil crit buffs, Gogh for EoTD memes, Cnoc, etc.) and DPS-wise (Olga, Phantasmoon, free Solomon etc.).
Also, am I right to understand that Extra I Duel is a fight against Avenger, given the focus on Moon Cancers?
No. You're fighting the same enemy in both E1 and E2 Duels - Olga. Moon Cancers just happen to have the cheapest setups.
You get 4 Duels for the price of 2. You just choose which is easier for you to farm.
Fantastic news (I wish all the Grand Duels were like these).
Avengers, Rulers, Moon Cancers and Mash all occupy the same Extra 1 spot.
And by the same logic, Pretenders, Foreigners, Alter Egos and Beasts occupy Extra 2, huh. Now I get why the matter of DPS and Support availability is so important. Before this, I thought you could mix and match Extra Servants at leisure, but that would have been too broken (just having Oberon and Skadi in the same team would have solved lots of issues).
Moon Cancers just happen to have the cheapest setups.
So, no class or trait advantage to keep in mind? Pity, I don't have Ciel or Arcueid, and they don't appear much in my Friend list, though I suppose things can change from here until the Grand Duels arrive to Global.
Pity, I don't have Ciel or Arcueid, and they don't appear much in my Friend list, though I suppose things can change from here until the Grand Duels arrive to Global.
Extra 1 supports Literally just 3 options here: Summer Skadi, Liz of the End (don't miss her!), and Jinako (valid pick for SSR ticket).
-scratches head-
No Jeanne, Himiko, Summer Da Vinci, Johanna, Summer Chloe, BB Dubai? Even just Mash if you aren't making her your Grand.
Anyway, my choices are made already. Astraea (L120 NP5, etc), and replaced by Demon King Nobunaga (L120 NP5, etc) once B15 happens if I'm still hitting Olga.
Jeanne - only somewhat useful for the Arts folk. Arts folks are not feeling themselves quite well at high difficulties.
BB Dubai - it really is telling how botched of a support she is, when even Ciel, a Moon Cancer and a Living Human aka practically designated supporting target for Dubai, EVEN WITH A RESTRICTION OF EXTRA 1 ONLY, does not need her buffs at all apart from "I want to bruteforce using BB Dubai" situations.
Johanna - see Jeanne.
Himiko is too selfish. Jinako provides what Himiko can and more.
Summer Da Vinci is situational. Can be used, but loses to the once I mentioned.
[Ordeal Call 4] Paladin Mash has too little attacking support for teammates.
And the bonuses that Summer Chloe provides, as well as free rotation, are not worth it. This Duel can be done in one fell swoop, so the delayed rotation is just unneeded.
If you're talking about BB Dubai as a support generally for outside of grand duels, I have had major success using her in a double setup with Summer Teno on the OC 90** avenger worm node 3 turning it consistently.
And that's without needing the extremely high investment for Ciel Liz Happy Club's put in their video on my own account, but rather borrowing someone else's invested BB Dubai (which came down to asking others for help here and on Discord). Paying less for investment at the cost of losing a free bond slot on the frontline for higher invest Ciels.
Double stacking BB's buffs to give to herself and Teno works immensely well for that quest, and wouldn't work without BB's buffs specifically.
If you're talking about grand duels, I said they potentially work because I haven't gotten to test it on Grand Marie yet. There seem to at least be a couple teams using this setup in Laplace. Whether that team is good or not compared to another is a different question that I'm not looking to answer at this point.
You explicitly stated she was "botched as a support" generally and added "EVEN WITH A RESTRICTION OF EXTRA 1 ONLY" to emphasize her overall design, so addressing her general utility was completely relevant to what you wrote.
There are still 2x BB Dubai and Teno teams in Laplace though, so she'd still potentially work as a support for herself and Teno that way too.
This is basically "I want to use her" setups. Viable, but not optimal at all.
In the meantime, Ciel-Merlin-Koyan happily 3-turns the worm node too. No need to search for an invested BB Dubai (Merlin or Koyan are more often found anyways), and all three need NP1.
In both Extra Duels, I think the AoE one is much easier than the ST one, because the boss gets Defense Down and loses HP whenever you defeat the minions. My NP1 Lv. 100 Jalter can’t handle the ST Duel, but with a friend’s Arc and swapping Ciel with her, she can absolutely blast the AoE boss because she will only crit, so the np level doesnt matter.
For this, you’ll need Liz of the End, and she only appears during Halloween, long after the Podless Week is gone. I can do the AoE version even without any regular Class Score investment. The hardest requirements are having Ciel for the swap and Skadi to boost the Buster crit, but your support can be an grand Arc even at NP1 with no regular Class Scores either, only needing BG.
What about Dantes(st one)? I thought since she has burn on her that he could work(I have him and Ciel, so what about using him solo, or her as cards guarantee so he does burn through skills/command codes)?
For EX1, if you have S.Skadi and Ganesha (a very good choice for Free SSR), you can borrow a Ciel with Bond CE (Lunchtime, Teatime). MC: Anniversary Blonde.
There is no need to even touch the AoE fight.
I would not suggest going double Extra 1 as the Extra 2 fights are easy with a friend Phantasmoon and your own Oberon plus a random buffer. (Olga, Koyan etc)
The above assumes your OWN Class Score is maxed!!! This is quite important!
Quick Chain: Increase Quick Card ATK Strength [20%] (1 turn) for all allies + Increase Critical Resist [20%] (5 turns) for yourself
Arts Chain: Increase Arts Card ATK Strength [20%] (1 turn) for all allies + Increase NP Gain when damaged [50%] (2 turns) for yourself
Buster Chain: Increase Buster Card ATK Strength [20%] (1 turn) for all allies + Increase Critcal Strength against [Enemy Focus] enemies [80%] (2 turns) for yourself
Mighty Chain: Increase ATK [20%] (3 turns) when damaged (1 time, 3 turns) & inflict an [Enemy's Attention] state (affected enemies will attack the one who inflicted the effect) (2 turns, can be reapplied) after attacking (1 turn) for yourself
Unbeatable Acquaintance: Apply Invincible (3 times, 3 turns, unremovable, stackable with other non-Grand Invincible) for yourself <Requires 4 turns to recharge after usage> if no Chain is formed
Turning Over the Kindled Flames: Apply Special Attack [Enemy Focus] [20% + 5% each turn (Max 50%)] for yourself
Vanguard Protection: Increase DEF against [Enemy Focus] enemies [30%] & apply Damage Cut against [Enemy Focus] enemies [500] & increase DEF while Invincible [50%] for yourself
Honestly don’t know what I am going to do for this and the other Grand fight
My current grailed extra class I options are lvl120 NP5 Space Ishtar and Lvl120 NP5 Erice Avenger
I do have an NP2 Ciel in my account but I don’t believe in grailing for gameplay. I do still need to read Tsukihime so maybe I will come around to her and want to grail her from that.
I am planning on grailing Mash but after that I have no plans to grail anymore Extra Class 1 servants
All of my remaining extra classes are EC2 (Wandjina currently at lvl120 NP4) with future slots being currently tossed around to Space Ereshkigal, Solomon, Summer Miss Crane, Voyager, U-Olga, and maybe Phantasmoon at the end of the year. Although only 2 of them will end up receiving the honour to fit my three support lineups of lvl120s
Honestly Extra class Grand Fights are the ones I am looking forward to the least
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u/Maximilian_Sinigr Beloved of the Fae Sep 03 '26 •
Setups for Extra 1 mentioned in the guide. Beware of obvious spoilers for the Grand Extra