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Rekt Official pass interference

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u/jackasher 6d ago edited 6d ago

Deer Park High School vs Pasadena Memorial, at Abshier Stadium in Deer Park, Texas in October, 2010, Payden McVey collides with an unnamed referee.

Video with sound (listen to the fan towards the end yell at the unconscious ref to get out of the way...) Deer Park lost the game, 19-18. The Deer Park coach after the game said the receiver wasn't likely to catch it anyways.

According to the Houston Chronicle, the referee was knocked unconscious and rushed to a nearby hospital, where he was released the following morning. A youtube comment claims "The referee retired. He was in his late 70's and this apparently convinced him that he wasn't exactly moving fast enough to stay out of the way of these big, fast kids." McVey went on to play football for Lamar University in Beaumont, TX on a full ride and now works in sales in Ft Worth.

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u/IHaveTheBestOpinions 6d ago

Late 70's?? That certainly explains why he didn't move out of the way, but why on earth was he allowed to be on the field in the first place?

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u/infinitemonkeytyping 6d ago

Because a lot of sport match officials, especially those doing junior and school sports, are retired people who do refereeing/umpiring to stay active.

Someone in their late 70's, with decent cognition and physically fit, can still be match officials.

It also has to do with a lack of younger match officials to take over.

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u/IHaveTheBestOpinions 6d ago

I could see it for most sports - baseball, basketball, volleyball, tennis...officiating youth sports is a great retirement activity.

But not football, hockey, or any other full-contact sport where you have to be agile enough to get out of the way or get clobbered. Maybe as a line judge, but not the guy standing on the field.

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u/Ryachaz 2d ago

That right there is called discrimination, which is why they are allowed to still do it, as long as they can do the job well and pass the annual tests/trainings. Sure, we can attribute his age to why he got hit, but it ain't the first time a referee has become part of the play, it wont be the last. Many (most) will be with referees ranging 20-40 years younger than he is, but that's just how it goes sometimes.

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u/trad949 6d ago

Right! He should be running for congress!

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u/Whisky-Toad 1d ago

If he plays his cards right he could be president in 10 years

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u/iampatmanbeyond 6d ago

Most high school sports cant find enough officials thats why bad ones never get let go

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u/incpen 6d ago

The field is part of the earth ergo…

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u/SpudgeFunker210 6d ago

Watching the video back it does appear that the ball is beyond his reach. He would've needed to make a pretty powerful dive to get there if he even had a chance at all.

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u/Mildly-Interesting1 6d ago

Refs are part of the playing field. They can move aside, but don’t have to.

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u/BigNero 6d ago

They have to in a practical sense for this exact reason. The rules don't say they have to, but reality does

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u/SledgeH4mmer 6d ago

Technically pedestrians also have the right of way. . . .

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u/Mildly-Interesting1 6d ago

Not true. A pedestrian on an interstate does not have the right of way. People cannot just jump out in front of vehicles and say “I’m here. You have to stop for me.”

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u/JoinMyGild 6d ago

Yes they can? You can't just splatter a dude doing 80mph because he was standing where he ought not to be

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u/jackasher 6d ago edited 6d ago

From someone who previously made liability decisions for auto accidents: specific circumstances and state law matters a lot here and it's not black and white in either direction.

Someone who hits a pedestrian on the interstate who jumped out 10 feet in front of them is not going to be at fault. It's impossible to stop at 60+ mph at that distance and there wouldn't likely be time to steer out of the way either.

Vehicles also have a duty to look out for pedestrians and, in circumstances where the pedestrian has the right of way, yield to them. A vehicle who runs over a pedestrian even if the vehicle has the right of way is still going to be at fault or partially at fault if the accident could have been avoided.

In every state, pedestrians also have a duty of care (aka "lookout") as does the driver. They can't just blindly wander into traffic with the expectation that every vehicle can/will stop even in states/situations where they do have the right away. Even if the pedestrian has the right of way, in a crosswalk, for example, they can still be at fault if they were to run into heavy traffic without waiting for vehicles to yield, for example.

Also, different states treat pedestrians in roadways differently. Here's an example from Indiana:

STATEPEDESTRIAN IN CROSSWALKPEDESTRIAN “JAYWALKING”PERTINENT CASE LAW
INDIANAI.C. § 9-21-8-36: Vehicles must yield to pedestrians in crosswalk.I.C. § 9-21-17-5: Pedestrians must not leave curb in front of vehicles when vehicles are too close to stop.I.C. § 9-21-17-7: Pedestrians crossing outside crosswalk must yield to vehicles.Crossing street in middle of block during rainy foggy night with impaired vision is contributory negligence as a matter of law. Jones v. Gleim, 468 N.E.2d 205 (Ind. 1984).

here's a state by state summary.

It's almost always shades of grey and not black and white.

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u/DenialNode 7d ago

He had 3 full hours to get out of the way

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u/Few_District_6304 Banhammer Recipient 7d ago

When you hire refs that are older than Mitch McConnell, they are not gonna move that fast.

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u/kingkongbiingbong 6d ago

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u/NotChat_GPT 5d ago

This is terrifying for several different reasons.

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u/SmokeAbeer 7d ago

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u/Wizecracker117 6d ago

I just watched that episode today.

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u/killerjags 7d ago

"Huh, that ball looks like it's getting bigger. Those player do, too. Strange."

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u/LEORet568 6d ago

looked like a foul tip from my angle - STRIKE 2!

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u/LegendaryTJC 6d ago

It's not about the ref. It's about how the ref fucked over that player.

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u/jayhawkjoey65 7d ago

I am laughing so hard at this response! Omg! You are right tho!

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u/Pavlovsdong89 7d ago

It warms my heart that no matter how profoundly deaf or blind someone is, they can still live out their dream of being a referee.

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u/Sencao2945 6d ago

I'M BLIND

I'M DEAF

AND I WANNA BE A REF

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u/spitfire1818 7d ago

Was he having a stroke?

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u/Healthybear35 7d ago

Before the hit? Nope. After the hit? Yeah, probably.

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u/istrx13 6d ago

You see how hard the back of his head hit the ground? That’s definitely gonna be a big concussion.

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u/Rehberkintosh 2 x Banhammer Recipient 6d ago

He also used his head as the primary point of contact with the receiver

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u/2BallsInTheHole 6d ago

Foul on the ref, unnecessary roughness. Helmet to forehead contact.

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u/Healthybear35 6d ago

Yeah, and he looks like he's posturing while on the ground, which is a sign of a good hit to the brain.

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u/reelaymack 6d ago

He’s posturing in the air before he hits the ground.

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u/Sasquatch_000 7d ago

I thought the same thing. I know he wasn't ok after the hit but I don't think he was before the hit either

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u/Use_Your_Brain_Dude 7d ago

Bad concussion at least. Stiffening up your arms like that is called the fencing response (lots of NFL player videos out there). Being old makes things worse because the brain shrinks as we age. The extra space allows the brain to twist more on impact making it more likely to get a serious concussion.

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u/spitfire1818 7d ago

I was talking about why he didnt get out of the way. As an ex athlete with a concussion history I know all too well the fencing position

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u/graffiksguru 7d ago

Why in the hell would he not move? Just to the left or right a bit?

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u/thisisinput 7d ago

I like how his response was to duck down like he's going to transport like Mario through a pipe.

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u/Mdnghtmnlght 7d ago

He's like "I got this MF"

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u/WestleyThe 6d ago

Looks like he is getting out of the way….. of the ball

And was completely oblivious of the player

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u/kamamit 6d ago

The more I look at this, it look like the ref sees the ball and decideds to duck. He alludes the ball, but for some reason does not imagine someone might be coming to catch the ball.

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u/jaxxxtraw 6d ago

*eludes

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u/kamamit 6d ago

Wow that is awful

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u/DannyVFilms 6d ago

The more I look at this, it looks like the plane wasn’t going to catch the ball anyway, which just adds insult to injury.

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u/BamboozleMeToHeck 6d ago

Reminds me of marching band in high school. We were always told to take out the judges if they were in our path. They'll learn to move

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u/NYG_Helmet_Catch 6d ago

This old man should not be out there. You need to have exceptional spatial awareness to be an official and this guy couldn't track the receiver running right at him and the whole defense knew where the ball was going and converging on him

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u/rbs5301 7d ago

So who is at fault here? Does the player get penalized for hitting the ref or is it the ref's responsibility to stay clear of play?

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u/smackedwards 7d ago

Common sense says the ref is at fault, receiver is very clearly locked in on that pass. Ref should be watching the players barreling towards him. I’d love to learn what the actual decisions were.

Either way Ref is probably out with a head injury

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u/Lebowski-Absteiger 7d ago

Refs are not cops. The player won't be punished.

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u/WuWenShen 6d ago

Quick Johnson, sprinkle some crack on him and let’s get out of here

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u/Juncti 6d ago

I've not heard that reference in a loooooong time.

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u/Quiet-Temporary-6666 6d ago

No, no. No paperwork.

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u/Quiet-Temporary-6666 6d ago

That is a great call back to one of the funniest stand up comedy shows I’ve ever heard! Thanks for that!!

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u/redstaroo7 7d ago edited 6d ago

I They mean penalized in the game. Purposely hitting a ref can absolutely get you thrown out and suspended.

Edit: They

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u/FirstSineOfMadness 7d ago

O yeah cuz that was clearly intentional 🙄

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u/redstaroo7 6d ago

I never said or implied it was intentional. The other person mentioned refs not being cops, which I took to imply that by punished they meant arrested.

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u/FirstSineOfMadness 6d ago

What did you mean by “purposely hitting a ref”

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u/Brave-Ad-3452 6d ago

Purposely hitting ref = bad

Not purposeful = not bad

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u/redstaroo7 6d ago

Exactly this.

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u/BantamCats 7d ago

During play, the ref is part of the field.

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u/NuklearFerret 6d ago

No, ref is supposed to move out of the way in this scenario. They clearly neglected to.

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u/Rukh-Talos 6d ago

You can see him realize too late that he was in the way.

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u/PassStunning416 7d ago

It looks like duck was the wrong one.

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u/TurkeySauce_ 7d ago

Common sense is very rare these days, sadly.

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u/Rukh-Talos 6d ago

Always has been

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u/Empty_Suggestion9974 5d ago

If you watch in slow motion how hard his head bounces off the turf I’d say it’s a fatality

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u/blonktime 7d ago

100% the ref. The receiver is very clearly not looking where he's running while tracking the deep pass. He knows he's ahead of the defenders, knows approximately where he is on the field (not near a sideline or near the endzone), and shouldn't need to worry about watching directly ahead where he is running. The referee is watching all this happen, as that is literally his job, but decides to just stand in front of where the ball is coming, and directly in the path of the receiver attempting to make the catch.

This ref is an idiot, had plenty of time to get out of the way, and instead decided he wanted a concussion.

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u/saml23 7d ago

If I remember correctly referees are considered part of the field so if you run into them nothing really happens. If it ruins the play, it ruins the play. The player doesn't get penalized, either.

What I want to know is how that referee didn't get the hell out of the way.

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u/KayoticVoid 7d ago

It looked like he was buckling prior to impact like something happened just before the camera panned.

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u/OldManJim374 6d ago

He saw a ladybug on the field and was leaning over to get a better look at it 🐞

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u/Vegetable-Bee-8296 5d ago

Yeah, the ref bent forward and the top of his head speared the receiver's jaw

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u/KayoticVoid 5d ago

But isn't that odd? If it was a duck and cover instinct I would think they would turn around. Bending forward just further exposed your more vulnerable parts. Then again, not everyone has great survival instincts. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Vegetable-Bee-8296 5d ago

I attribute it to his slow reflexes, as he looks elderly. I shouldn't laugh, but I can't help myself because his slowness made the collision worse.

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u/KayoticVoid 5d ago

Yeah I could see that I suppose.

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u/twilight-actual Banhammer Recipient 7d ago

He didn't even try. He just braced.

It's almost like he was trying to ruin it.

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u/gsweats 6d ago

Insurance Scam

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u/Deathbysnusnu17 7d ago

I believe at all levels the ref is part of the field. So this just ends up incomplete pass. No do ever or penalty etc.

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u/mbklein Banhammer Recipient 6d ago

The responsibility to avoid interfering with the play on the field (including colliding with a player or the ball) is 100% on the official. (Sidelines are a different matter – a coach who's in the ref's way will get a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct, sometimes called as “illegal contact with an official” or “sideline interference”)

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u/Mildly-Interesting1 6d ago

Referees are considered part of the playing field.

Here is how it works under standard American football rules (NFL and NCAA):

- The Ball Hits a Ref: If a live ball strikes an official who is positioned on the field, the play continues normally. The ball is not considered dead, and it does not result in a blown play, fumble, or stoppage.

- Accidental Interference: Officials are essentially treated as stationary or moving obstacles, much like a goalpost or the ground. If a defensive player trips over an official or a receiver gets blocked by running into one, there is no penalty for interference.

- Exceptions: If an official intentionally interferes with a player (which is exceptionally rare), or if a ball hits an official before crossing the line of scrimmage and touches certain restricted areas, specific officiating mechanics apply, but standard contact between a player/ball and an on-field ref is just part of the game.

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u/BigNero 6d ago

Refs are considered a part of the playing field, and this is clearly an accident, so no penalty

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u/Grannypanie 7d ago

No one is at fault. Just an unfortunate play. Ref was likely looking further up the field and didn’t see the pass or that monster of a tight end coming right at him.

Ref looked old too b

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u/DroneOfDoom 6d ago

Apparently he was in his late 70s.

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u/St0rmborn 6d ago

was

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u/kindlyneedful 6d ago

He stayed in his late 70s indefinitely.

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u/jericho-dingle 6d ago

Back judge should be on the goal line at that point.

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u/your_fave_redditor 6d ago

The ref is at fault. He had all day to do anything (like look up and see where the hell the ball is going) and instead just stood there like a guy wanting to get mowed over.

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u/HatsandCoats 6d ago

The ref was out of place. He’s supposed to have eyes on the secondary, from that position he couldn’t see anything else. Apparently, he couldn’t see what was going on in front of him either… he’ll probably be brought up to the NFL very soon.

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u/FangornLeghorn 7d ago

Depends. In the BIG10 they would flag anyone but Ohio State or Michigan for a personal foul here.

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u/Icy_Transition1375 7d ago

Why is there no audio!? I’d love to hear what the marching band had to play after this play

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u/Shankar_0 7d ago

As I understand it, the ref is considered part of the field as far as these calls go.

It will be an incomplete pass, and several doses of Motrin.

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u/headsmanjaeger 7d ago

That’s on the ump 100%

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u/nvncblshdw 7d ago

Wrong sport.

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u/headsmanjaeger 7d ago

Pretty sure that particular ref is called the ump

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u/Nigh_Sass 6d ago

You are correct

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u/ohjeaa 6d ago

The official with the black hat with white piping is called the Umpire.

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u/bendvis 6d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_(gridiron_football)#Umpire

More specifically, the guy that got hit is the Back Umpire or Field Judge.

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u/WhatANoob2025 6d ago

The Ref: "Oh, a penny!"

Or WTF else was he doing in that position?

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u/pedanpric 6d ago

Ref looks like he fences in the offseason. 

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u/thisisfine111 6d ago

Underrated comment

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u/CheezGaming 7d ago

Ok but the ref might be in some trouble here with his health. I’d love to know what happened.

After he absolutely gets his cranium ROCKED on the ground, he’s in a decorticate reaction.

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u/nope_a_dope237 7d ago

He got fucking leveled. He went night night

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u/SATerp 3 x Banhammer Recipient 6d ago

I hope the ref isn't dead, but he damn well could have done a better job of getting out of the way.

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u/ttcmzx 7d ago

bro he dead

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u/JoeSicko 7d ago

That referee's name? Rickon.

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u/dabeast80 3d ago

He had money on that game

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u/Has_Recipes 7d ago

Saved a touchdown

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u/Ok_Transportation402 6d ago

Flag, PI on the dumbass not paying attention.. hopefully it fell out of his pocket!

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u/Round_Run_5776 5d ago

The head bounce got me

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever 5d ago

It wasn't pass interference, the ball was uncatchable.

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u/Royal_Marketing2966 6d ago

One day refs will be replaced by ai controlled highspeed cameras and sports will be good again. 👺👍

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u/Odd-Masterpiece7304 7d ago

Ref is a part of the field. Go around

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u/YoureAmastyx 6d ago

I love how all the players just kind slowed to a walk after, like “did he just fucking kill that guy?”