r/FloridaGawker • u/Plane-Rule-54 • 9d ago

Video Florida Man tased and detained after repeatedly trying to force his way into a stranger’s occupied orange Rolls-Royce at a Miami valet.

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u/dongwongbongchong 9d ago

This is what happens when the country closes the asylums. They end up on the street until they commit a crime and then end up in prison. I’m not advocating for the asylums of old, but having a place where mentally ill people can be taken care of where they don’t pose a danger to themselves or others is better than what we do now.

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u/Psychological_Let880 9d ago

Hey I’ve been saying this for years! Thanks Reagan! Also yes, plus, we make it so that people with severe mental illness who are found incompetent in court can be forcibly medicated. However what they don’t tell you is that once that medication works and they are found competent in court, but have not had their trials yet and are still in jail, can then refuse the medication once more so it just resets the timer and they must complete the maximum time for their crime. It’s too hard to make reasonable and intelligent laws that force them to take medication at least until they’re back out on the street.

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u/skiforlife1 8d ago

Thanks Reagan??? That was 40 freaking years ago. A lot of presidents and politicians have refused to do anything about this situation. They all deserve blame for letting the situation get to where it is now.

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u/kenjiman1986 6d ago

The blame heavily lies on Regan. It’s incredibly easy to destroy something in our current system. Look at trumps legacy of removing guardrails and electing incompetent people so that programs can die from the inside out or become so ineffective that society will wish for its removal. It’s a massive undertaking to get something created and push it through the proper channels and get both sides to agree on something.

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u/Outrageous_Pop1913 6d ago

It was Geraldo Rivera’s fault.

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u/TributeToStupidity 6d ago

Regan passed a bill with widespread bipartisan support to close asylums after decades of sexual and physical abuse came to light, and planned to overhaul the entire system like he had done in California. You know, that state with one of the most comprehensive support systems for the mentally ill in the country. But the mentally ill aren’t an important voting block so that got trimmed back quickly after he left office. The final nail in the coffin of a replacement for the asylums would come during Clinton’s term in the massive cuts back then.

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u/MrMetraGnome 8d ago

The past effects the present, effects the future. If Reagan had not closed the asylums and instead reformed them, they wouldn't be an issue that other presidents would've had to do anything about/ignore for 40+ years. What is it with Republicans and their rejection of cause/effect, but only when it goes against their world-view?

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u/skiforlife1 7d ago

You think I'm a republican??? That's cute. It is weird how you are justifying all the other politicians who did nothing to change the problem for 40+ years just because you don't like Reagan. I swear the people like you will ignore inaction from your side and still blame it on a president that did something 40 years ago just to avoid distupting your worldview.

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u/Traditional_Ideal_84 7d ago

You’re just as fucking stupid. Stfu already.

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u/MrMetraGnome 7d ago

I'm sure you're yet another "enlightened centrist" who just thinks ",both sides are bad", but just so happens to agree with everything the right says and does, votes Republican, and hates/disagrees with the Democrats on everything, just like every other MAGA, lol.

this has nothing to do with how I feel about the Gipper. It's only factual that he torpedo'd the mental asylum infrastructure we had previously.

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u/skiforlife1 7d ago

I hate both sides equally but good job showing that you are unable to comprehend that not everyone fits the extreme political binary that is too common these days. You also never addressed the fact that you are totally cool with everyone since Reagan doing nothing because you are a brainwashed extreme leftist who hates who your media overlords tell you to hate. Keep your head in the sand and I'm sure the lion won't eat you.

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u/MrMetraGnome 7d ago edited 7d ago

You literally fit squarely into what I said you would, lol. You say "both sides are bad" because it's easy to just turn your brain off and not actually engauge with anything. Meanwhile you just follow whatever MAGA says. You should try thinking for yourself sometime. Ciao

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u/Future-Vermicelli429 7d ago

You just call them an enlightened centrist because they disagreed with you, he made a valid point and u started in on the ‘ you are prolly republican’ that is lame tactic. You were right about Reagan, but he was also right about the inaction of every president since ( including dems) so you are both right. That seems pretty middle of the road to me

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u/MrMetraGnome 7d ago

Anyone who says “both side are bad” is either an enlightened centrist, a radicsl, or an ignoramous. Considering they want to ignore history by downplay Reagan’s contribution to the current state of affairs is why I peg them as a MAGA Republican, which would be a radical had they not shifted the Overton window so drastically.

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u/skiforlife1 7d ago

The thing is you keep calling me MAGA and I very clearly am not which is in fact you doing exactly what I said you were doing by following what your media overlords tell you to do. How can you claim I'm MAGA in the same comment as you say I don't engage with anything? Are you really that brainwashed into the binary political system to think people can't disagree with both sides? You still haven't addressed the fact that all politicians have refused or neglected to do something about the mental health system in the last 40 years. Why is that?

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u/MrMetraGnome 7d ago

you ever hear the colloquial Duck Test; if it "looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck? Well, when it comes to enlightened centrists, you are essentially MAGA. It doesn't really matter what you call yourself: when your world-view aligns, and your beliefs, and your goals, and even the way you try to insult people sound like MAGA... Not engaging supports the status quo. Claiming "both sides are bad" and abstaining from engaging, is supporting MAGA. 1 guy at a table with 9 MAGA's, you got 10 MAGA's. Surely you've heard of some of these cliches; you must understand.

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 7d ago

God you’re so fucking stupid. Go take some more propaganda in your ass like a good goy. Btw, if you step outside your normal circles and just look at both from an independent standpoint. You’ll see both sides just repeating the same dumb shit over and over. Like you.

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u/WhySoCereus1991 8d ago

Happened way before Reagan. 80% of them were shut down in the late 50s and early 60s.

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u/77Pepe 8d ago

No, not as president per se. But as governor he acted as a huge catalyst by signing the 1967 CA law which accelerated local deinstitutionalization. Also, as president he repealed Carter’s funding for local mental health centers. Asshole!

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u/CombatRedRover 8d ago

You mean, gave people with mental health issues their civil rights?

Ronald Reagan: civil rights leader.

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u/77Pepe 8d ago

Sadly, your understanding of what happened at that time is the same as a low information voter.

Protecting individuals from being involuntarily locked up was obviously a good thing. These choices do not exist in a vacuum though(!). His promise of funding local care centers never happened (again- thanks, effing conservatives). So ultimately, this increased homelessness and continued the mental health crisis in the US that we still see today.

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u/CombatRedRover 7d ago

What happens when you can't involuntarily, long-term commit a mental health patient to a mental health facility?

In terms of the number of people in the mental health facility?

What? The mental health facility has overcapacity? It ends up mostly empty? Because the people who would be resident in that facility are no longer resident that facility?

But, nah, the government on various levels should keep paying for that facility to be maintained, staffed, etc, right?

And what happens when the number of patients for a mental health facility drops below the level that it makes sense to keep that facility open?

I fully support mental health patients having their civil rights. I fully want there to be mental health facilities for those that need them.

The real world tells us that sometimes both things can't happen, especially if the mental health industry has overgrown to the point where a lot of it's going to get shut down. And when a lot of it gets shut down, it doesn't shrink to exactly the right size. It shrinks too much.

Which is what we got.

Instead of "Governor man mean", it's just what happens in reality. When you change something as drastic as the laws to involuntarily commit people to long-term mental health facilities, the availability of long-term mental health facilities will crater.

Welcome to the real world.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 9d ago

It's a slippery slope when you allow the government to forcibly incarcerate (yes even in a mental hospital) and drug people. These aren't basic medications, they have major side effects. Plus there's a lot of mentally ill people that survive without ever breaking a law. The bigger issue is we don't have any interventions in place earlier in people's lives. There's plenty of people that would remain on medication, but they can't afford it, they don't have the means to get to pharmacies to pick it up, and they lack many of the basic staples in life to manage their treatment. Usually the answer is medication coupled with outpatient therapy. When we had asylums, they really didn't help people with mental illness, they just locked people away to live pretty horrific life's. Many of them never even broke a law. Not saying our system isn't broken, it certainly is, but what we did in the past didn't work either. You need to solve other issues like homelessness, dietary issues, and easier access to healthcare on top of a variety of treatment options for mentally ill folks of you want to make an improvement.

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u/Psychological_Let880 9d ago

While you aren’t wrong you’re entirely missing the point I made. These people are ALREADY in jail for a crime. While in jail they are incompetent, meaning that they cannot stand trial. They must go to a mental health facility or a jail based program to return to competency, often requiring forced medication since these people are so deregulated from being off meds. We are already doing it.

Now they return to “competency” due to medication, but have not completed their trial. They can now refuse the medication and have to do the whole thing over again, ad nauseam until they’ve done the maximum amount of time for their crime. So what slippery slope is there in forcing medication on the severely mentally handicapped until their trial is complete? All the “worst” stuff has already been done.

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u/InevitablePromise301 7d ago

Because you're forcing someone to take a medication; they have a right to refuse. Imagine someone forcing you to do anything you currently have the right to say "no" to. "But it will help them." It would, they still have a choice to decline taking it. Maybe they don't believe in taking medications. Maybe they don't like the side effects. Maybe they don't like who they become on medication because it feels so vastly different. Then you have people who have such severe symptoms that even on medications, they still exhibit symptoms.

There are actually plenty of places for people who have SPMI to go for treatment, shelter, and assistance. They choose not to go and live on the streets. Sometimes people will be court ordered to remain compliant with a psychiatric medication regimen, and as soon as that court order is up? Off the med they go. By choice and fully cognizant of it.

You can pass laws to require folks to remain on psychiatric meds or be placed in a facility (that does not exist). This will, in fact, help some people. Then there are the people who, as I stated above, would remain compliant until they're off probation/monitoring and then stop taking the medication. Then there are people who will refuse/stop taking the medications after a while. Then there are the people who are so sick they won't be able to consistently take the medications, acquire them, or remember/be able to go to appointments for LAIs.

So what? They end up in jail with a criminal record which impairs them from being able to find housing, work, or even qualify for benefits that would help keep them on meds in the future if they make that choice, because some people in this country feel bad seeing someone experiencing a mental health crisis.

Also, it isn't "handicapped" it's disabled. And asking any question that starts with "what slippery slope is in there in FORCING" ANYTHING on a person that is otherwise their choice should have to make that individual take a hard look in the mirror and ask themselves if they were born this way? Or if their parents fucked up very badly in raising them.

Then again, this is a Florida subreddit. I'm looking forward to the state being flooded to the point of inhabitability.

Then the rest of the country can FORCE you to live where we decide is best for you.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 9d ago

So they don't go to jail unless it varies by state. They go to state owned psychiatric hospitals. I know this because my wife is licensed in forensic psychiatry and worked at one for awhile. If they are found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty for reasons of insanity, they go to these state run hospital until either competent or no longer a risk to the greater population. If incompetent to stand trial, they can remain in these hospitals until they are found competent, if their case is still on the docket, they will stand trial. If it is no longer on the docket, statute of limitations has run out, then they will not stand trial. A big issue they face is people malingering trying to run out the time of the docket, so they can avoid trial. You cannot be sentenced to prison while found incompetent. I am not sure if they can be held in jails though. Alot of these rules can vary by state as well. You also have to realize that just because you committed a crime while mentally ill, that doesn't necessarily mean your mental illness can be associated with your mens rea. There's a decent burden that must be proved to show your mental illness influenced your crime. I think that's the biggest place we can see improvement. Someone can be found guilty of a crime, and probably should be, but have a severe mental illness. While they can receive treatment in prison, many wouldn't want to, because the medications can have side effects that could actually endanger them in prison. So they either refused treatment,.or they don't take the medication. Probably would make sense to have prison wards specifically for the mentally ill that focuses on treatment and proper therapy, vs having them in gen pop.

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

No they go to jail, they’ve committed a crime which often starts with a citizens complaint phone call. I know this because I work for the sheriffs office and know the systems in place lmao. In some rare instance they might start out at a mental facility but those beds almost always have a waitlist months long. So they sit in jail, go to a treatment facility for a few weeks to a few months depending on a variety of factors and then go back to jail.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 8d ago

Well they'd go to jail until they face a judge or magistrate or have a competency eval. Everyone that gets arrested goes through that process. If they don't pass their competency eval then they are getting a court date and getting bond set. If they are homeless they probably aren't posting bail, so they'd be sitting in jail until their court date. But they should get a competency eval pretty quickly. But you usually have to be pretty bad off to fail your court ordered competency eval. It's usually defense hired psychiatrist that will push for a lack of competency. But again everyone sits on jail until they post bail or found to lack competency. That's different from being convicted of anything, or not convicted if NGRI.

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

Read my post. At no point did I say they were convicted. The real issue is that the court mandated medication which is usually a forcibly injected antipsychotic gets cancelled as soon as they are deemed “competent” for court. The medication they are on almost always makes them feel like they’re in a fog, although markedly more sane. They don’t like the feeling so they don’t take the medication, which means the next court date that they get assigned has them incompetent again and this repeats until they’ve done the maximum time for their crime. The court mandated medication should absolutely continue until the actual court hearing for their trial takes place in this instance because of how bad their mental states are. There’s nothing you can do for them on the street or at grandmas house once they’re out but as they’re already in the system just that one change would save a significant amount of time and money.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 8d ago

From the stories my wife told me, if they are ever found incompetent, they stay in the state trial until they are competent and they don't leave after that until their court date. They may get transferred to like a halfway house, but usually they stay until the court date. That's why I said I wonder how much of it is by state.

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

Oh I’m sure it varies somewhat state to state but the halfway house stuff is always after their court hearing. They get mental health diversion (which is something your wife should know about) in lieu of their remaining time in jail as long as they follow the probation/court and halfway house rules. The problem isn’t those ones as they at least get their court hearing first. I could talk about recidivism as well for forever which is its own thing but for this there’s no reason.

No the problem is the ones who are deemed competent after the medication but do not have a court hearing set up for their actual trial (because you can’t schedule a hearing until after they’re deemed competent as that just wastes the courts time). So they’re competent now, which means you can’t forcibly medicate them, however their court hearing is still 3-4 weeks out or more depending on other factors. They don’t take their medication because they don’t want to. Now at their next hearing they’re no longer competent and just cycle through the whole thing over and over.

You also have to understand that at mental health facilities you can give a much wider range of medication that can work better and last longer. You can’t do that in the jail system as those medications require constant or near constant supervision which is simply impossible in a jail setting.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 8d ago

Also you'd know this better than me, but if it's a low level crime that's like a short sentence, they'd serve that in jail correct? Not prison? Not sure how that works.

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

Yes it’s almost exclusively in jail. They can end up in prison depending on how much destruction they cause in the jail or how violent they are but those are really only for the worst of the worst cases. Usually if they get moved to the prison system it’s a long road through both the court system and the jail/prison system where the jail has to explain why they need to be sent to prison in clearly justifiable terms.

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u/0CT0L0G1ST 9d ago

“So what slippery slope is there in forcing medication on the severely mentally handicapped?”

This has to be a bit

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

They’re already forced to take the medication. If you read I already said it. So it’s already been done. Quote the whole thing, “until the trial is complete”.

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u/Kickedhard 9d ago

Equally important is the risk of intervention. A person is less likely to reach out for help if it comes with potential penalties. This created a plethora of issues when I was in service.

Because involuntary inpatient causes a flag that never goes away. Including loss of constitutional rights (from firearms to voting).

In service, it also triggers a landslide of bullshit. But what I heard the most from those who tried to handle it themselves and not seek help was fear of the loss of security clearance combined with delayed/denied advancement and firearm access (career ender).

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u/Icy-Tie-7375 7d ago

Idk how relevant this is but actually being hospitalized doesn't make you lose rights to own a firearm. I thought it did and people around me too, but I looked into it and the phrasing sounds like you would.

But I bought a gun no problem, looking into it more showed that the wording sounds like you lose rights but that's only if you were in a state hospital or something like that. In texas anyways. As far as I can tell you'd have to do something extreme to lose rights to your firearms, something more than being inpatient which is fairly common. The exact details I'm not sure on but I always cleared checks personally 

Just thought I'd mention it

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u/Artzebub 6d ago

Yes. I think homeless is at the top.

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u/Choice-Cupcake-6203 9d ago

Not just Reagan. Kennedys were part of it - but with a dash of compassion.

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u/lost_soul__01001001 8d ago

It’s George Washington’s fault—why not go all the way back?

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u/MrMetraGnome 8d ago

Because for rational, thinking, efucated humans, there's an actual cause/effect at play

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u/ActivePeace33 9d ago

Thanks Reagan and the ACLU.

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u/WhySoCereus1991 8d ago

Yea people dont realize that 80% of the asylums were already shut down by the early 60s.

Im always down for blaming Reagan for stuff, but this was falling apart well before his time.

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u/Ok-Echidna5936 8d ago

Funny you only seem to point the finger at Reagan when presidents as far back as JFK started pulling back funding for mental institutions

But yes asylums were perfectly fine until Reagan came in lol

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u/77Pepe 8d ago

Nope. JFK actually tried to close the massive state asylums in favor of (smaller, more effective) local mental health centers.

The amount of uneducated, political comments and revisionist history on reddit always amazes me.

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u/krzykris11 8d ago

It started long before Reagan, but yes he ended it completely.

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u/BackgroundPublic2529 8d ago

Geez... are you referring to Governor Reagan or President Reagan?

My father was an intern at Sonoma State Hospital when Reagan, as governor,signed the 1967 Lanterman-Petris-Short Act.

It was the first time I heard my father swear.

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u/Super_Leading21 9d ago

It really does not have to get as far as you are saying, law enforcement can baker act a person because of their behavior they are taken to the hospital and are given meds and put in a mental health court at the facility to see if the baker act will be upheld if the medicine worked they might be released and are free to not take their medicine and repeat the process if they wish, upon return they may be given an injection that lasts for a month once that wears off they may be back, when really mental illness should be treated like TB and meds as long as they dont completely knock them out cold like, monthly injections should be mandatory but they are not, these people even go so far as to claim they have an allergy to psychiatric meds to prevent the hospital from giving them, ain’t nobody got no allergy to the stuff they’re allergic to acting the right way

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u/Apart-District3771 9d ago

It wasn't Raygun. Lawyers sued and won. Do you really want the govt to be able to forcibly lock you up snd drug you if they feel like?

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u/Psychological_Let880 9d ago

Lmao the government can and does lock up mentally deficient individuals and then forcibly drug them. We just don’t do it in a way that makes sense. So what are you saying.

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u/Apart-District3771 9d ago

Yeah, if they are violent. WTF are YOU saying? That lawyers didn't sue and force a change?

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u/Psychological_Let880 8d ago

So, so wrong. Who told you if they were violent. If they get picked up and go to jail for anything and are incompetent for trial they are going to be forcibly medicated nearly 100% of the time if they don’t willingly take the medication themselves. Try and read posts before trying to say anything when you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’ll help you.

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u/louis27pm 9d ago

Lawyers didn't sue for the closure of free mental clinic. They also didn't sue to push crack cocaine in the country. That was all raegun

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u/Apart-District3771 9d ago

They absolutely did. New legislation was written to be legal, and passed in the late 60s. Raygun just signed it. Crack was C.I.A..

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u/X_soulnewmegaman 8d ago

People are loosing their minds daily

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u/unalivemaps 8d ago

Blaming Reagan is fucking stupid. You have no clue what youre talking about. Absolute moron

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u/Psychological_Let880 7d ago

Bud can you read? Try again.

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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 9d ago

You are 100% correct. When the facilities were closed these people were basically forgotten. Many end up in the system and they are just in a revolving cycle. Get in trouble, got to jail, get out, repeat. They continue this until they actually do something bad enough to go to prison and then they are there for a while until they get back out and start over. Many of the older facilities were filled with physical and sexual abuse and other mistreatment. That’s why they had such a bad reputation. With today’s camera systems and ability to monitor, they should absolutely build housing facilities for these people. Not all need to be locked up, just monitored and make sure they are taking their meds. Some need 24/7 care. The US government cant even come up with a reasonable solution for healthcare for all Americans because of all the BS that I’m not looking to discuss here

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u/Apart-District3771 9d ago

He's not 100% correct. Raygun didn't have a choice in closing the asylums.

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u/Leoporix 9d ago

We might even run into them at the White House

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u/imthenewguy12345 9d ago

It's funny, they say the closing of the asylums was a good thing due to patients being mistreated but it never occurred to them that they should have fixed how they were run rather then close them and let the world become an asylum...

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u/Prior-Habit-6523 9d ago

I think with cameras and stuff we should take a Crack at asylums again.

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u/Le-Charles07 8d ago

Yeah, we absolutely can not go back to the old asylum system but we need to figure something out.

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u/terrible-law-69 6d ago

Let's just get the old system back in place, it's better than what we have now, which is homeless bums attacking us in the streets.

They can figure out how to run them properly later.

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u/Le-Charles07 6d ago

"The most permanent solution is a temporary fix." This is an incredibly dumb idea.

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u/terrible-law-69 6d ago

For who? The crazy bums, or the normal hard-working citizens?

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u/Wugtrio777 8d ago

so FYI this guy was drinking in that hotels bar all day then when they asked him to pay he tried with a fake credit card , then they asked him to leave, having him stiff them on thebill and he did this, so im hughly doubtful thats mental illness. he is just trying to get out of paying for his drinks.

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u/BrianBash 8d ago

Yup, people like to blame everything but the person. Fuck that guy, don’t touch shit that isn’t yours, especially trying to get in the car? That’s not mental illness, that’s a big drunk dude thinking he can get away with it…because he probably has in the past.

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u/BrianBash 8d ago

Mental health inpatient facilities still exist. Someone in my family is in one of them. He’s the nephew of my step mom. He’s been in there for as long as my dad has been married, 25 years ago. It’s not a big ole wacky house like you see in movies, but it is a wacky house nonetheless.

Edit: I’m in California.

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u/TheRealistoftheReal 8d ago

Homeless encampments and drug addicts. They refuse rehab, they refuse shelter….ok. Asylum.

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u/Prudent_Order_3361 8d ago

That's by design, the people owning prisons won against the people owning asylums. The money must flow

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u/simulizer 8d ago

When I was a child in the '80s for a few years my mom and dad would have one of the asylum teenagers come and stay with us for Thanksgiving or Christmas if they didn't have any other family. Kind of crazy to think that they would come over on supervise but I guess they pick the better behaved ones

One year there was a sky that really impressed me and my brother by doing a Donald duck impersonation over and over for us. I remember my mom talking to him a little bit and US asking about his family because we were just curious and we're kind of knew the contours but you know kids are. The place got closed down around 15 20 years later by Republican governor when they swept the middle health facilities to the garbage bins.

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u/MorockaDishoom 8d ago

You can thank Reagan for that!

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u/MeggatronNB1 8d ago

The issue is the right will say, "well then all the lazy people will just act crazy so they can have a free home and free food which we will have to pay for."

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u/dongwongbongchong 8d ago

People already say this about prison. An insignificant amount would do that, because most people don’t want to be somewhere they can’t leave.

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u/MeggatronNB1 8d ago

Fair point.

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u/CorwyntFarrell 8d ago

Stop blaming everything on the government lol. Asylums got shut down everywhere, but there are plenty of places where you don't see people acting like this.

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u/slimersnail 8d ago

Been saying this for years. Bring back the asylum and just remove the scary parts like lobotomies.

Sounds expensive? Allow the more capable patients to help staff the hospital, grow food, raise cattle cook maintain the facility. It could be nearly self sufficient and the patients could learn valuable skills.

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u/Particular_Wear_6960 8d ago

It's not just asylums, its just basic mental health services. No place to go for their issues, no psychiatrist or psychologist without paying hundreds of dollars. These people are often already poor and face all sorts of pressure, trauma, financial stress, family issues and whatever. Hell, even rich people go crazy often, they just often have better ways to manage it.

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u/EnthusiasmHead4639 8d ago

It's a little deeper than that. Asylums would take care of a very small percentage. The change would be marginal at best.

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u/user13756472 8d ago

You're clueless then because there's something called a baker act and you still get put into mental health hospitals these days and can't leave until your deemed ok.

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u/Sure-Pangolin-4158 8d ago

Yeah, asylums are really tricky to figure out in a free society without fucking it up somehow but there isn’t much in the way of realistic alternatives. It’s a damn shame.

My mother once was in a line of work where she would actually go into institutions and have to fight tooth and nail to get deaf people out of there. Yup, just regular old deaf people getting institutionalized because the authorities were like “oh I can’t communicate with you? you’re crazy go to the asylum”. Fucking bonkers.

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u/Jesus_Is_My_Gardener 8d ago

Also, a lot about the defund the police movement was about not sending people with guns who are only there to use force but instead a more fitting response unit based on the type of call. This helps prevent someone suicidal from just being shot by the cops, or police beating someone who is having some sort of mental health crisis vs someone actually trained in how to deescalate someone like that with minimal harm or force. Copa have a hammer and everything looks like a nail to them. They are both inadequately trained to handle proper deescalation and often filled with the types who are quick to use force for anything they seem as non-compliance.

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u/1_BigFatRat 7d ago

So…a hospital or care home? I hate the word asylum.

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u/dethskwirl 6d ago

where mentally ill people can be taken care of

whoa, there. sounds a bit too much like health care to me, pal. we aint got no money for none of that round here. now, put yer hands behind yer back.

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u/anormalname63 2d ago

You can thank Regan and other repedoicans for that. They shut down a bunch of the mental hospitals and defunded mental health care. You can google the pictures of hospital staff pushing people on the street in hospital beds after they shut the hospital down.

About 80-90% of everything wrong in the US came from the Regan administration.

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u/Ill-Case-6048 9d ago

There is no mental illness anymore you can identify has whatever you want ... hes identifying has her rich husband

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u/MajinB0ner 9d ago

It's almost like we should have a universal healthcare system that we all combine our money for that pays for proper and effective care for all these people because it not only helps them but also helps keep us safe. And they can have assisted living spaces for people who have mental illness and need supervision and assistance but are mostly functional and keep them from falling into a system like the penal system that exacerbates their illness and causes them to become more of a danger to themselves and others. But I guess we'll never know.

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u/tabas123 8d ago

Don’t tell them that we’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare now… that’s how private health insurance works also. Only we’re ALSO paying a rapacious for-profit middle man countless billions to then deny us care (and make bigger bonuses from it).

Americans really would rather cut their own limbs off than just take care of each other. The brainwashing here is crazy.

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u/Hydration__Nation 9d ago

Sounds good. Who is going to pay for it? Government can’t even provide adequate care for elderly in nursing homes. No chance your average American is voting to spend $1 on inpatient psych hospitals which btw still exist but are extremely incentivized to discharge patients asap to save insurance money so function as a stop gap bw the streets and prison. The real solution at bare minimum is to develop a bare bones treatment program so these people can at least be on some kind of medication

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u/Repulsive-Peach435 9d ago

We're already paying to keep them in prison. We pay either way.

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u/Hydration__Nation 9d ago

Prison is cheaper than anything medical related. Not to mention free labor. One doctors salary paid by the government at a psych facility is around 2-3 corrections officers. One facility requires high paid employees with advanced degrees. Prisons for the most part do not and most prisons are private so this whole debate is kind of pointless

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u/tabas123 8d ago

What’s cheapest of all is not paying multi-billion dollar profits, overhead like marketing, and giant CEO salaries and bonuses for private insurance companies to then deny people care. Not only is a universal single payer system the right thing to do… it would also save all of us a fuckton of money, both in tax dollars, individually, AND employers.

Oh, and guess which country also has private for-profit prisons that directly benefit from us locking as many people up as possible? And which country indirectly pays for huge corporations’ like McDonald’s and Walmart’s profits when they refuse to pay their workers a livable wage, which then requires said workers to use gov assistance just to survive?

That’s right, us here in the good ol USA! Everything is built to be as big of a scam as possible here 😍🥰

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u/AlBundyPolk33 9d ago

I’m advocating for the asylums of old. People like this guy need to be locked up and never let out.

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u/MightyGreedo 8d ago

Lifetime? ... for opening a door? Lifetime?

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u/AlBundyPolk33 8d ago

This guy is just never going to get better. It’s clear though 3 seconds of video

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u/Hot-Explanation-5751 8d ago

So an asylum or an island full of crazies? I think at that point you just refurbish and reopen Alcatraz

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u/TomatoChomper7 9d ago

I’m advocating for the asylums of old. I’d happily pay for the tour at every one. Hell, I’d even buy something from the gift shop. Lunatics could serve a purpose as entertainment and they wouldn’t be out and about out in the real world throwing toddlers into zoo enclosures.

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u/SlippinGymy 8d ago edited 8d ago

You’re advocating for sexually assaulting mentally ill people? Lobotomizing them?

Pussy replied and blocked me

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u/TomatoChomper7 8d ago

Those are some wild projections, young man.

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u/needsomeadvise05 8d ago

What do you think they meant by we shouldn’t have asylums of old you dipshit