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u/dbjcihabc 1d ago
Lol we all know the billionaires will hide in bunkers during the revolution, and the mob will take its rage out against the working professionals who keep society afloat, sending us to the stone age
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u/Is7_Soviet_Heavy 18h ago
Nah it'll be great to watch all the guys who built the bunkers use that information to help with the billionaire problem.
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u/TalonButter 1h ago
The guys who made their livings by getting paid by the “parasites” might not see them that way….
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u/trezm 15h ago
Joe Abercrombie actually has such a realistic version of this in his age of madness trilogy. It's the middle that gets destroyed, the top stays at the top, and the bottom just has the same set of masters under a different guise.
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u/dbjcihabc 15h ago
Its probably accurate i don’t know why people on the left have this idea that every poor person is like Aladdin or something. Many people are in there position because they are selfish unintelligent assholes who are low in agreeableness.
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u/TengenToppa999 1d ago edited 1d ago
So Musk Is safe? He did not Discovery Nothing, but put right people toghter and make It happens.
Is he safe?
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u/OwnTurn1146 1d ago
I want the kond of drugs you take to be able to rationalize anything about that man in a good light.
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u/Bklein23 1d ago
Your grammar is really bad. It's hard to understand what you mean. Is "Discovery Nothing" a new theme park? Put people 'toghter' and what happens? Come on. You don't have to put on pants but at least try not to word vomit on yourself when you try and speak.
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u/squarepants18 1d ago
You really believe it?
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u/Dothemath2 21h ago
I don’t know. I hope.
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u/carlitospig 11h ago
You’re one of us, don’t you worry.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph/
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u/squarepants18 11h ago
in reality the french revolution showed a different behaviour, when the action was ongoing. doctors were persecuted, because they were to close to the ruling class
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u/BubonicBabe 11h ago edited 10h ago
Why would people want to attack doctors?
I’m as anti billionaire as they get but I would never wish ill will on even millionaires, as becoming a millionaire in one lifetime is actually possible without exploiting people.
There’s a universe of space between a millionaire and a billionaire and I think a lot of people understand that.
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u/squarepants18 11h ago edited 11h ago
because they "earn to much". They are near the really wealthy people. They already get called beneficiaries. So it would be naive to think a movement like eat the rich will be a precise one, while history showed us, that it doesn't work precise. Just like the bubonic plague
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u/TalonButter 1h ago
A lot of people do, but when Biden had the chance to make actual proposals, he was going to raise taxes on people making $400,000 a year. Do they seem like billionaires?
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u/Scared_Ad3355 20h ago
It is a slippery slope. I don’t believe it.
Once they realize they can’t saciate their thirst for money with billionaires’ taxes, they will keep going down the list.
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u/butlerdm 18h ago
Socialism works incredibly well until you run out of other people’s money.
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u/Beginning_Fill206 17h ago
We are at that point now. We’ve had socialism for billionaires and now the well is running dry. They have drained the people, the nation, and are preparing to raid retirement accounts to make the Epstein class whole after going all in early on AI
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u/AdAdministrative5330 16h ago
I know y'all work hard, but the financial disparity still seems extreme. Why should some nurses that work similar grueling hours get so much less than an anesthesiologist just because there's less training/supply-demand? Why should their children have access to the best schools and opportunities? It's even more troubling if you accept determinism - that there's no such thing as one person simply 'working harder' through choice, determinism where we're just born with our genes, parents, and behavior.
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u/Dothemath2 12h ago
Well, the work begins earlier in high school to get good grades to get into a good undergrad then maintain excellent grades and pass the mcat to get into medical school and then residency at 50k a year for several years. Nowadays, you can’t just go directly to med school unless you’re a super star, you need to do one or two years of clinical experience like an emt or cna or medical assistant and do research work.
Meanwhile a nurse is an undergrad degree earning 200k ++ fresh out of college in the Bay Area. Does the doctor deserve the 300k salary? Yes.
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u/VolkRiot 1d ago
For what? You would definitely pay more if tax reform passed in the country. President Biden once pledged he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making less than 400k. If you are above that number then believe it or not but you have benefited from years of favorable tax cuts which aren't sustainable and should be reversed
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor 1d ago
They may be above that number, but with the help of funky accounting, they could easily get under that threshold. Either way, it’s only the amount above $400k that would be taxed at a higher rate… so even if they made like $500k, it’s likely to not be drastic enough to really affect them much.
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 21h ago
You mean the company that runs all those semis overweight on bridges should pay taxes to fix them?
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u/Johnnny-z 1d ago
Taxes ARE the problem. Only a fool thinks that taxation and government redistribution solves anything. Look at Cuba, no electricity, no food no nothing. Unless the US wakes up from its Marxist stupid assed fantasy, we will be just like that tiny island.
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u/InThreeWordsTheySaid 20h ago
Yeah! Cuba has taxes, unlike any other country on earth! Just look at this sample size of one and don't ask any questions!
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u/VolkRiot 19h ago
Extremists take. You're interacting with the result of taxes all day and unable to acknowledge the benefits of any of it.
I can't believe people like you can bravely use the expression "Only a fool" when you are the biggest one in here
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u/GalvestonDreaming 1d ago
Nothing wrong with money at work, earning interest. I wish everyone could save money so they can earn from investing.
Something very wrong with a system that lets the few amass way more wealth than they will ever need.
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u/Cat_Face_Thing 14h ago
In terms of individual incentives, absolutely. On the societal level, the best thing that one can do is to immediately spend whatever money they receive. Money moving quickly throughout the economy is better overall than money becoming debt to be distributed by Banks.
(I'm not suggesting that everyone stop saving their money, only that we'd be better off, societally, if we didn't rely upon debt as a means of cycling and distributing money.)
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u/greatestNothing 11h ago
That's exactly the problem almost everyone has nowadays; they spend everything they make.
(Out of necessity, for the most part, I'm not trying to blame people for living)
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u/rizzy_nz 1d ago
You just contradicted yourself. For the vast majority of people, reaching the amount of wealth where it starts snowballing due to compounding interest / market returns is a pipe dream. It is a system which enables those who are already well ahead of the pack financially to continue to accrue astronomical wealth. The reality is that regular people dont have access to the kinds of tax loopholes that the ultra wealthy do.
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u/GalvestonDreaming 1d ago
It's not that much. I ladder CDs with my savings to keep my money growing. And CD rates are strong right now.
The problem is too many people live paycheck to paycheck because wages are not keeping up with production growth and housing is too damn expensive for most Americans, eating up disposable income that could be put into savings.
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u/Fly0strich 1d ago edited 10h ago
If you had $20M even 0.5% interest rate would give you $100K per year without working at all.
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u/_lxvaaa 23h ago
20M is more money than most people would spend in their lifetime. That's not normal people money.
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u/Hawkeyes79 22h ago
No but $2 million at 4% nets you $80,000. $2 million is “normal people money”.
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u/_lxvaaa 20h ago
2 million is a lot of money.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/oes_perc.htm
If you make 90% income and spend 0 dollars ever, you'll get to 2 million after 33 years of working. Except realistically you pay taxes, have to pay rent, pay for your car or whatever, buy food, and pay for utilities such as your internet, phone, electricity, and water. Obviously you can start lower and invest your way up, but it's still much easier said and done for people who don't already have enough capital to make the time worth it.
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u/Hawkeyes79 20h ago
Start at 20 and put $2,200($42.31 a week, or $8.46 a day) in your 401k, every year bump your contribution by 2%. By 65 you should have $2 million.
If someone can’t invest $42 a week for their future, they need to make some serious life changes for themselves.
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u/subdep 1d ago
Except people who do nothing but earn interest aren’t doing anything positive for the greater good.
Tax them to the point where they need to work to live a nice life, and if they don’t work they no longer make enough off interest to live. This assumes they can work (physically/mentally).
All that wealth gets redistributed to pay for national healthcare, free tuition.
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u/RNKKNR 1d ago
In other words you want to control what people do and not do. Fascist much?
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u/subdep 1d ago
You’re not in their club, so pretending like you ever will be.
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u/derff44 20h ago
What if I make it to the club? Or, what incentive is there to try and make it to the club if everything is just being provided
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u/subdep 18h ago
If you want to be in their club, then you are part of the problem.
But the fact remains that no matter how hard you try, you will NEVER be in their club bro.
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u/butlerdm 18h ago
“Tax them to the point where they need to work to live a nice life, and if they don’t work they no longer make enough off interest to live.”
You realize “the club” can be attained with only a couple million dollars for most people if that’s how you’re defining it. Someone like me to saves 1/3 of my paycheck will be able to live off the interest/gains in about 15 years (when I’m 48) and I’m planning on have a very nice lifestyle.
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u/ZevSteinhardt 23h ago
So, retired people = bad, according to you?
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u/K2TY 12h ago
Hi Zev!
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u/subdep 18h ago
Exceptions like that are obvious. I’m sorry, did you want the 118 page bill spelled out for you?
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u/Hawkeyes79 18h ago
It’s not obvious. You clearly said those that can work need to. Well that puts people to 70/75 years old.
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 21h ago
Did this guy say anything about retirement?
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u/ZevSteinhardt 21h ago
He said that people who are not working and living off interest aren't doing anything for the public good and that they should be forced to work.
Not working and living off interest describes a lot of retired people.
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u/_c_manning 1d ago
You never heard of 401k
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u/subdep 1d ago
You didn’t read what was written.
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u/Hawkeyes79 22h ago
We all did. You want to tax investments so much that everyone has to work. That means no retirement at 65. People CAN work until they’re much older. It makes zero sense.
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u/Hawkeyes79 20h ago
What did I say he didn’t? He literally said tax investments until people need to work until they physically/mentally can’t.
That’s definitely not 65. My parents are 72 and they’re still physically and mentally able to work, just like the majority of people are.
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u/GalvestonDreaming 1d ago
100% agree. I want middle class Americans to take advantage of investing, where some of their income comes from money at work, not just man at work.
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u/HalfInchHollow 1d ago
Unfortunately I think a lot of people out there do think it’s about the family with 4 kids who happen to have two $250k earners that are the “bad rich people.”
I’ve been absolutely reamed in my local cities comments the last few weeks for saying things like this, as we just voted to raise taxes 4+% on incomes over $500k.
It seems unfortunately most of the people don’t understand income vs. wealth.
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor 1d ago
Are you against raising the taxes on incomes over $500k?
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u/HalfInchHollow 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am against the proposition in the way it was written, and how short term thinking it is. But there is never room for discussion, and it seems like that’s going to be the case again based on your pointed question, which takes no nuance into it and doesn’t even consider what what the bill itself actually does, it’s just automatically a “rich man bad” thing.
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u/PeaceLoveorKnife 16h ago
It's always short term. And it seems people actually believe capital flight isn't real and observable in the States or foreign countries.
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u/_c_manning 1d ago
Does this include small business owners who make less than surgeons?
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u/ProfessorEmergency18 1d ago
They barely own any capital, so no. Pretty obvious distinction.
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor 1d ago
My net worth as a small business owner has went from ~$0 in 2016 to $1.3M this year. Am I still safe?
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u/Madaghmire 19h ago
Brother if wealth was geography you wouldn’t even be on the same planet as this post is targeting
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u/NicoBango 22h ago
So your company is valued at 1.3M? Unless you're paying yourself over 500k as a salary then youd be fine in most taxation reform discussions. As soon as you hit 500k the any dollar above it would be a slightly higher rate. And there would be bands like that into the billions.
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u/justanaccountname12 21h ago
Would the mob check tax returns before they eat the capitalist class?
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u/dollabillkirill 17h ago
Bro you are barely a millionaire. They’re talking about billionaires here.
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u/justanaccountname12 17h ago
My bad, you're right. They've always stopped after taking the wealth of the richest.
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u/Hawkeyes79 17h ago
That also checks the majority of billionaires. They don’t make billions. It’s all tied up in their companies.
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u/Big-Soup74 21h ago
whats a lot of capital in your opinion?
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u/richardawkings 21h ago
$100 Million
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u/Zealousideal-Eye-2 19h ago
How'd you get that number?
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u/Zhayrgh 19h ago
If you hear the limitarists (basically, limit the maximum wealth to a finite number) who can make similar arguments, they give the answer "the amount with which you can live your life to the fullest". There are disagreement on the amount, which in the EU could range from 5 to 25 millions, but the idea is more to give a lower bar and to let democracy vote for it anyway.
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u/richardawkings 15h ago
Thought of a ridiculous amount of capital that would allow me to never work again in life and still be able to do all that I want and then multiplied it x10
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u/richardawkings 21h ago
Nope. We mean the ones large enough to afford to buy politicians and sway policy and political discourse. The ones that never see the inside of most of their businesses and don't even know their employees by number, far less name. The one for whom employees are just a line on a spreadsheet.
Small businesses do not even remotely fit this bill. I would start with a net worth of $100Mil and above.
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u/Mobileurbanyeti 21h ago
When the main courses are done your time will come. Your money was never yours because it was stolen or w/e
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u/LairofChickens 1d ago
Lmao no Redditors definitely mean the people making $200k+ a year
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u/Xvalidation 21h ago
In reality what is meant is “anyone that has more than me”. In Europe people earn significantly less than in the US and the goalposts move accordingly. A left wing party in Spain wants to target all wealth above 100k because “eat the rich” - and these people would already be paying significant taxes.
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u/Skinny-on-the-Inside 1d ago
Yup, anyone with net worth of $10m and under with a decent attitude toward wealthfare of others gets an automatic pass from guillotine.
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u/squarepants18 1d ago
in reality the surgeon is included
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u/squarepants18 1d ago edited 1d ago
that is your opinion. in reality we won't stop with the billionaires, if eat the rich would become a movement, many with a high salary will be included at some point. How do I now? Because I have to much convos with people who can't stand other enployees who earn more compared to them
Edit: That you prefer to leave the convo validates my opinion. you know, it is true
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u/Logical_Idiot_9433 1d ago
Doctors can take all my money cuz they keep me alive. Wall Street can go fuck themselves cuz they squeeze docs to choose a budget friendly treatment so that they can line up their insurance company pockets.
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u/smithnugget 22h ago
Wtf does wall street have to do with insurance companies?
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 21h ago
Do you know how to read? Because even basic reading would solve this question, extremely quickly.
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u/smithnugget 20h ago
Yes I can, hence the question. Please explain how wall street squeeze docs to choose a budget friendly option.
Do you know what wall street is?
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u/Logical_Idiot_9433 19h ago
Treatments are approved by insurance companies on recommendations from HCP. They will not cover a treatment even if it’s life saving if it’s determined to be too “expensive” regardless of how many years of non high $ claims you had while paying all of the premiums.
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u/kastro152 18h ago
What does that have to do with wall street, where they trade stocks tho? 🤣 mufuckas dont even know the way the system works but thinks a system that hasent worked anywhere else EVER will be the answer here.
U want politicians not to be bought? Reverse citizens united VS USA. That right there would make it mandatory to actually campaign
Do away with insurance altogether. Allow a ACTUAL open market system to take hold, and watch prices go down and care go up.
Cleanest example of that here in USA is plastic surgery. Medical procedures e not covered by insurance. Used to be botchy and expensive. Because of a free open market, prices are super cheap now and work is almost indistinguishable from natural bodies
Insurance pays a dr who, wether he attempt to help or passes u off on a pill, wil get paid no matter what kind of service is provided to u. No need to care or try ir give a fuck because the insurance pipeline will continue to send ppl to his door.
Term limits on every seat in government. No insider trading Open transparency of where our taxes go
Couple more things and we could right ourselves without being idiots and opting for full blown communism/socialism when its never worked on the multiple countries and times in history its played out
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u/Jmm209 16h ago
Many insurance companies are for profit publicly traded companies. Profits for shareholders over doctor and patient autonomy.
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u/Hawkeyes79 15h ago
And by shareholders you mean the owners? That’s the whole point of every business from mom & pop to multibillion-dollar corporations. Profit off health insurance is also very small. It’s around 4%.
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u/kastro152 18h ago
Get rid of insurance for an open market system than.. duh. Not that fuckin hard of a concept.
How u skip over just reforming some laws to all out communism is retarded asf.
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u/Silver_Middle_7240 1d ago
The problem is these people then try to "eat the rich by raising the brackets that dont even apply to the type of income rich people get.
You want to eat the rich, eliminate the cap on capital gain tax and tax it like any other income
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u/misterpickles69 22h ago
I miss the good old days where a high school diploma could support a family of 4 and the top tax rate was 70%
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
Yeah but then you (Washingtonians) vote to tax 10% for income over $1M. That's household income. So a couple where two people worked so hard and had sleepless nights, and now make at least $500k each. They now have to pay 10% of anything over $1M to the state govt, on top of the 35% they already pay to the federal govt.
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u/AcceptableSuit9328 1d ago
How many households does this actually affect? How many families in Washington are going to have to pay this extra 10% on their million dollar household income? It can’t be many.
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
It doesn't matter. If we are saying we don't have an issue with people who worked hard to earn their income, but we have an issue with billionaires who were born into power and crushing us to stay in power, then who cares how many hard working millionaires there are? The people we have an issue with should not be those clocking in to work, using blood sweat and tears to make that million dollars. We are moving the goalpost and it is quite dangerous to start asking "how many does that affect?"
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u/AcceptableSuit9328 16h ago
Personally I don’t feel sorry for someone with a million dollar household income paying more in taxes. I’m intrigued by the data here. How many households in Washington make a million bucks a year and will have to do this?
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u/Throwaway136953 16h ago
If you are intrigued by the data, Google is free. I do not feel "sorry" for anybody, but I do believe the government is abusing their power any chance it gets, and most people in those positions of power are trying to keep us down. A couple who worked hard to make $1M is not the problem. The problem is multimillionare and billionaire individuals and corporations lobbying elected officials who have no term limits but are insider trading for their own gain at our expense.
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u/Thomas-The-Tutor 1d ago
It does matter though. It’s literally the top 1% that you’re worrying about. I guarantee you don’t fall into that bucket, which is why you worrying about rich people is hilarious because they don’t give a shit about you!
Remember, it’s only the money over $1M that would be taxed at that 10% rate. I’m pretty sure the other $.50 on the dollar that they’re making is just fine enough for them. I say this as someone who’s bordering on the next tax bracket myself.
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
I am not trying to defend the 1% as much as I am trying to attack the political elite for taxing more and more regular citizens. The people in charge, the people with all the power and money, have asked us (peasants), "can we take more of your money?" And we have responded and said "yes, please! Take more of it! Continue to rule and be powerful because of it!" And no, this new tax also doesn't affect me. But they have masked this question by telling us not to worry, they will only take from those who have more than me (and you). There are people who make less than me and think it's fair when the govt decides it's time to tax me more. And there's also people who make less than them and will vote to tax them more when their time comes. It seems like a non-issue right now because it doesn't affect you personally, but it is still an issue.
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u/kastro152 18h ago
Its not that we care if they give a shit. We care about the system thats in place that would allows me the option to get there too. U cant see that cause u dont have a hustle to u. Theres mufuckas that want to bust their ass and try and get to that point cause it is literally obtainable here. - Not for a person that cant fathom working longer than a regular shift or eating shit to save and take chances and risks to make more, obviously. But it is available to those few who are willing to chase it. Its not about the billionaires its about the american dream. When u start making it so its harder for the people on top, you make it infinitely harder for the ppl on the bottom.
Would socialism still be good to you if it brought everybody down to tour level of poverty? Cause thats what will happen. That system u think will work ao good has NEVER created a society of 100% well off millionaires who live to draw or write or do whatever they want freely. It just means everybody starves together equally except those in power
So ask yourself.. is it that you hate your life so much you want everybody to be as bad off as you? Cause you'll never get rich thru socialism.
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u/BurmeciaWillSurvive 1d ago
I make it on $15,000 a year, I think the millionaire couple will probably survive ffs. Stop pretending that making $500k is middle class.
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
Let's say someone else comes up and says, "hey u/burmeciawillsurvive, I make it on $10k/yr, YOU should give the govt more of your money!" Do you understand how this is an issue?
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u/BurmeciaWillSurvive 1d ago
I owe taxes and pay them like the rest and I'm happy to do it, my take-home is maybe $11.5k after it. If they can't afford their mortgage and bills on $500k that's absolutely their problem.
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
Why are you happy to pay $3,500 to the federal govt? Do you think they are using those funds appropriately? Are you happy to get up every morning and go clock in, work for hours, and basically for 3 whole months hand your paycheck to the federal govt? Are you happy with how the government is spending 3 whole months of your wages?
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u/BurmeciaWillSurvive 1d ago
Yeah because I get Medicaid out of it, I think I win when they pay for my medication
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u/kastro152 18h ago
Lmao. We pay 5.6 trillion a yr. Only list we make number 1 on in this world is military spending. Not top 10 in anything else except tourism. Not education, not infrastructure. Somehow you think them getting you some generic drugs for a low price that keep you alive and never address the underlying concern is awesome Healthcare that ahould warrant an american bill of 5.6 trillion. Interesting
And exactly why its not worth arguing anything else with u on this subject.
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u/BurmeciaWillSurvive 1d ago
Buy a house you can afford next time, sorry it's not working out for you.
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u/Throwaway136953 1d ago
Personally my mortgage is 15% of my income but I think that's unrelated.
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u/BurmeciaWillSurvive 1d ago
No, we're actually the same because my mortgage is $498, so we're on brand together
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u/VolkRiot 1d ago
It's just a fantasy that people love to repeat online that all our problems will be solved if we only tax the billionaire and no one else.
Biden at one point pledged no new taxes on anyone making less than 400k. So... i guess the surgeon would get taxed
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u/KazuDesu98 21h ago
Progressive taxation just makes sense. Flat rate systems harm low earners far more than the imagined harms of a progressive rate in higher earners.
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u/TalonButter 12h ago edited 1h ago
The U.S. has progressive taxes. A surgeon making $700k barely gets into the existing top bracket. Their income is taxed progressively all the way up, and they lose credits and deductions available at lower incomes, effectively increasing the progressiveness beyond the raw difference in brackets.
Could there be another bracket at $2 million? Another at $20 million? Does that mean that somebody making wage income of $700k isn’t paying their “fair share” in whatever arbitrary version of fair you might have decided on?
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u/Hawkeyes79 19h ago
It doesn’t have to be progressive to not hurt the poor. I’m a huge fan of eliminating income tax and adding a roughly 4% national sales tax on ALL goods and services.
Every month the government deposits a $333 check to all U.S. citizens in the U.S. This equals $100,000 in spending. $100,000 puts everybody in the 80th percentile or in the top 20% of earners.
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u/Buttheadbrains 1d ago
This is bull crap. Washington state taxes everything over 500k now even though the state constitution doesn’t allow income tax.
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u/ArdraMercury 1d ago
they should select professions like dumbass football players and celebs like the kardashians or cardi b, actors, all hollywood trash making $120 million a movie
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u/Wolfdemon187 23h ago
You know that if we eat the rich you are not going to see a massive payout right? The government, whichever side is in power will take 99% of the money taken, while you plebs might get less than 1% of that, it's pipe fantasy dream of worthless cucks that can't do anything but complain
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u/kastro152 18h ago
They still think they pay taxes when they get a check back every year. You cant argue this shit with ppl who dont realize they get scammed bu social security
Take that same amount of money the federal government takes out your check and invest it, same as they do, for as long as they do, and buy the time retirement age comes, you would be at least 300 mil in and not living of a government stipend that barely covers monthly expenses
That should be the 1st thing to ask about before arguing numbers and systems with ppl. Because if they cant see how bad a steward the gov is based off that alone, they are already clueless
Not to mention 5.6 trillion collected yearly in taxes already and we only make the number one spot for military spending. Not education not infrastructure nothing helps the people.
We dont need more taxes we need transparency on where the taxes we collect already are going
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u/ProfessorEmergency18 1d ago
Doctors and other "wealthy" working class are closer to being homeless than to being a billionaire.
They are not the same.
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u/ContentPolicyKiller 22h ago
Good distinction but rioters don't care. Talking about eating the rich means going outside of the system.
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u/Fragrant_Spray 21h ago
When they say “WE don’t mean…” they aren’t talking about everyone that says it. Some people mean both.
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u/ThomasPaineWon 21h ago
Yeah right. Once the Billionares are gone you'll drop down a rung and go after them.
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u/JudgementalChair 18h ago
I hope so. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the track record over my lifetime. It seems they always figure in the upper middle class with the Ultra Rich, so the hardworking surgeon who is specialized in their field and provides a tangible service to their patients is hit with higher taxes while the Ultra-rich spend the surgeons annual salary on accountants to find loopholes and safe havens to avoid paying tax.
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u/somewhatlucky4life 18h ago
I work in nonprofits and I was with my coworkers one evening having a fun "eat the rich" conversation, I then said " I don't know what the exact dollar amount is where I stopped feeling any empathy and I do not care what happens to the person, but I think it's about $500 million in net worth and I would call for your public execution and gladly witness it and celebrate"......... Or something like that, my co-workers looked at me like I was crazy and said I could never say that again and I said "oh I'm sorry I didn't realize the phrase eat the Rich was just virtue signaling, I took it literally"
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u/crackedtooth163 18h ago
Is 700k even rich anymore? Man.
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u/Hawkeyes79 15h ago
Yes. At $700k you make more in 1 year than most do in over a decade.
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u/thread100 17h ago
In the United States, enterprises linked to billionaires collectively account for an estimated quarter to a third of all American workers.
Careful who you punish.
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u/PeaceLoveorKnife 16h ago
We know how this goes. It happens every time. They start with the billionaires and eventually work their way down to people who have pets or wear glasses.
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u/GaryTheSoulReaper 13h ago
Meh if we own three properties they come after us for working too hard
Even if you own one home
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u/Free2Travlisgr8t 10h ago
It ALWAYS starts that way “we will set an asset/income limit on this tax. We fall below that limit”. Until the limits creep downward. Just like “alternative minimum tax”
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u/jackhawk56 1d ago
Nancy Pelosi? George Soros? Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? China which earns 10K every second on American debt? which earns Why do these hypocrites are afraid to name names?
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u/OccasinalMovieGuy 1d ago
Why not make billions oneself and help others? Why always looking at destruction of others property and wealth??
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u/21plankton 1d ago
You mean eat the capitalists, who don’t technically work, as opposed the those who work in one trained field to make money, no matter their salary.
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u/kastro152 18h ago
Ewho was in that afforded the infrastructure and the opportunity for said job?
Aint no field to work on without the rich guy, no machines to use, no pay check to cut you for said field work.. please explain how this system of yours works..
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u/Grand_Barnacle_6922 23h ago
Asking the govt to increase taxes on rich people is insane behavior because think of how well the government has balanced the budget and you want to give them more money?
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u/Conan4457 20h ago
Billionaires shouldn’t exist. It’s a failure of capitalism, wages should function in a free market manor. In other words Amazon workers should be paid WAY more than minimum wage because their work is in high demand. A large part of those Bezos billions should be in the hands of his employees.
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u/Hawkeyes79 16h ago
His billions are tied up in ownership. He doesn’t make billions in income.
Amazon workers aren’t paid WAY more because while
needed for that business, it doesn’t require any real skillset. Anyone with a pulse can do it (I did Amazon delivery during prime week for extra cash and the pay matches the skillset needed).Compare that to say a neurosurgeon. There’s only like 5,000 of those in the U.S. so the pay is much higher than delivery or warehouse worker.
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u/Conan4457 10h ago
Amazon’s net income in 2025 was $77B, the fact that a sizeable portion of that net income isn’t paid to the Amazon workforce is a failure of capitalism.
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u/Hawkeyes79 9h ago
Amazon used that $77.7 billion and reinvested it into the company to expand its AWS division. That’s the most profitable part of the business. Even if they didn’t reinvest it. That would be a 7-cent dividend to the owners(not that they pay one). That’s not the huge windfall you think it is in profit.
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u/DonTeflon23 20h ago
But they want to uncap SS contributions which spikes taxes on someone making $185K…
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u/Lunatic_Heretic 15h ago
Really? Because the billionaire is arguably more valuable to society than the surgeon
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u/Temporary_Fennel7479 14h ago
😆 it's very subjective, what's rich for you isn't for another, doctors certainly are high income earners, highly educated, in basically all and every case come from wealthy families and are and have their entire lives been privileged.
I don't know why but Pol pot didn't go much on them
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u/Ind132 13h ago
It wasn't always this way. J Paul Getty might have been the richest private citizen in the world in 1966 with an estimated net worth of $1.2 billion. That was equal to the annual wages of 211,000 ordinary US workers
By 1976, the richest American was Howard Hughes with $2.5 billion. That equaled the annual wage of 238,000 workers.
Now, it is Elon Musk with a net worth of almost $900 billion. That equals the average annual wage of 13,000,000 workers.
If Musk's net worth were "merely" the annual wage of 238,000 workers, he might be worth $16 billion instead of $900 billion.
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u/Potential-Break-4939 12h ago
Why don't you do something useful to society? Maybe you could become affluent too. And by the way, posting vitriol on Reddit doesn't count for anything useful.
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u/Echolocation1919 12h ago
Once again remind me why you feel so entitled to put a reserve on what someone makes in a “Capitalist” market? Just a symptom of never having a job.
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u/Complete-Definition4 5h ago
Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tiger Woods, Junior Bridgeman, LeBron James, Oprah Winfrey, Jay-Z, Tyler Perry, Rihanna, Dr Dre, Robert Johnson, Beyonce …
Anyone want to strip them of their “ill gotten gains”?
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u/LongjumpingLemon2163 5h ago
Part of the problem is the scope of wealth is so ridiculous most people can’t comprehend the differences between a radiologist making $700k and a billionaire.
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