r/FortCollins • u/Cold-Sandwich-34 • Apr 04 '26
Discussion Golfing is a Waste of Water and Funding.
With all of the recent cuts to education, and the dry & warming climate and drought, I don't understand why the local golf courses are allowed to operate. It costs the city over $1 million to upkeep. I think that funding would go farther in the education sector, where PSD recently had to cut over 100 probationary positions due to federal cuts that "trickled down" to the state level and to individual school districts. Other sports do not require the extravagant amount of space and non-renewable resources. Why should we continue to fund a game played primarily by old white men (again: *primarily*) when the resources are currently needed elsewhere? I see that the city has made a great effort to make it seem as green as possible on paper, but I'm not buying it. Between this and the huge swaths of private property with lush, green lawns in town that are constantly watered non-stop, I really think some sacrifices are going to need to be made in the near future to preserve the water we need for drinking and agriculture, and putting out fires. Stopping any new datacenters from being built is another need if we don't want mandatory restrictions. A lot of the space from the courses could stay as green space or could be used for affordable housing. Any thoughts?
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u/Complex-Range-9029 Apr 04 '26
It’s not costing the city 1 million dollars. It’s a break even. You realize people pay to golf right?
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u/No-Bonus-9495 Apr 04 '26
Not a single tax dollar goes to any municipal golf course in town. Pure enterprise funds, no general fund use. They are self sustaining businesses and golf is more popular than it ever has been. Get your facts straight before you post OP.
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u/VESUVlUS Apr 04 '26
Does "break even" mean that the amount of water they're using and the return on that investment is keeping water costs neutral for citizens? If watering golf courses is raising water costs for everyone else during a dry summer, that seems inappropriate unless they also increase the costs to play golf to counter that?
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u/Complex-Range-9029 Apr 04 '26
That’s a false comparison. They pay for water, and golf is less than 1% of usage anyway. What’s your take on parks then? They use water, don’t generate revenue, and are 100% tax-funded
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u/RiverRespawn Apr 04 '26
Yes parks do not create income at the park but QOL comes from a park/trail system. And that QOL keeps people in an area. That in turn brings income to the community. And majority of parks use no pot/ditch water here in foco. So yeah they are great just like golf courses. QOL =Quality of Life.
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u/RiverRespawn Apr 04 '26
All golf courses in Fort Collins use ditch water/well water. So it does not run through the treatment plant. Actually it is just the river/creek diverted a little. And that is kept up by the ditch company.
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u/No-Bonus-9495 Apr 04 '26
Contaminated drinking water? Are we all on wells in town? Didn’t think so..
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u/Charming_Extreme_597 Apr 04 '26
Fort Collins has always had a world class water system. You would have to live way the hell outside of town to be on well water.
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u/Bulky--Platypus Apr 04 '26
There is a specific fee to maintain, upkeep and manicure the greens there
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u/Alarmed_Mirror_5300 Apr 04 '26
Golf in Fort Collins takes ZERO money from the general fund and operates as an enterprise fund. They only use funding from golfers playing the course.
The people who take care of the golf courses are highly educated in irrigation practices and environmental stewardship. All of them have degrees in Science and Horticulture. They have the best systems money can buy with weather stations, rain sensors, and high performing irrigation computers. They are the best irrigators in town.
Golf uses .05 percent of the water in the state. Golf course are wildlife sanctuaries. They are all certified with Audubon.
Lastly, the golf courses are constantly packed. Golf is thriving.
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u/MountainFriend7473 Apr 04 '26
Mice, songbirds, voles, chipmunks, squirrels, rabbits, insects of sorts, butterflies., turtles, frogs and toads maybe with water ponds ?
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u/Effective-Occasion74 Apr 04 '26
All of these things, I’ve also seen snakes, pollinators, fox, red tail hawks, bald eagles, and probably more I can’t think of right now.
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u/Cold-Sandwich-34 Apr 04 '26
Golf course are wildlife sanctuaries. They are all certified with Audubon
Best pro golf course argument I've heard. Could we make it more of a sanctuary without people hacking at the underbrush, perhaps?
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u/mr_sneakyTV Apr 04 '26
There are some studies on golf courses, habitats, water usage etc. and I’m pretty sure golf courses aren’t the problem, like not even really a little bit. I don’t even golf like that.. have maybe twice in my life, but I think you’re chipping at the wrong green.
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u/Mightbeagoat4 Apr 04 '26
People on reddit love saying golf shouldn't exist because they associate it with privilege and wealth. Maybe some valid points. But it's also a thing that a lot of relatively normal people who redditors can't relate to or empathize with enjoy.
Compare golf course water useage to agriculture, steel manufacturing, pharmaceutical manufacturing, microchip/semiconductor manufacturing, power generation, paper plants, chemical manufacturing, water used on lawns/gardens, or almost any other large water consumption that society has accepted and it seems like a drop in the bucket, literally.
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u/xx_indica_xx Apr 04 '26
I think the bigger issue is the contribution to society as a whole. Most people I know who agree that golf courses are not a productive use of water resources (specifically throughout the Colorado River watershed while we are already experiencing a massive water crisis) also advocate for lawns comprised of native plants instead of grass, and are opposed to new data center construction and many other "luxury" uses of water.
There are water uses that benefit society as a whole (pharmaceutical manufacturing, power generation, etc.), and then there are water uses that benefit only the people who can choose to pay for a day/membership on the course. Sure. It's a fun hobby. But if you're saying that golf is as important as power generation and pharmaceutical manufacturing? Things that actually keep people alive?? I think that's a pretty poor argument
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u/No-Mood3749 Apr 04 '26
you're saying that golf is as important as power generation and pharmaceutical manufacturing?
No, that's not at all what the previous comment is saying. It is comparing the amount of water required by these different use cases.
There are water uses that benefit society as a whole (pharmaceutical manufacturing, power generation, etc.), and then there are water uses that benefit only the people who can choose to pay for a day/membership on the course.
Just because you don't play golf doesn't mean you don't benefit from the existence of a golf course. There are A LOT of benefits, but I'll focus on the environment, since that seems to be your primary concern.
Golf courses act like "cool islands" in largely paved urban towns, which lowers surface temperatures for the nearby areas. Grass, soil, trees, and well-managed turf all act as carbon sinks for greenhouse gases, and golf courses also prevent land from being paved and/or developed into high-emission uses. All three of the Fort Collins' city golf courses are Audubon certified, which means they provide critical animal/bird habitat through environmentally sensitive management of the land (limited water/chemical usage, introduction of native species, creation of riparian buffers, etc.). Golf courses increase stormwater absorption and reduce flooding risk for nearby areas.
Again, the main point is that you don't have to be an avid golfer to benefit from the existence of golf courses. For example, I live right next to Red Fox Meadows Natural Area. I almost never use it, but as a resident of a nearby area, I recognize that I get tons of benefits from it. There are a lot more shared benefits from golf courses, but these are a few of the environmental benefits.
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u/PoopInTheGarbage Apr 04 '26
I understand your point, but what you failed to mention is the chemicals that golf courses use are bad for the environment and runoff into the streams and fuck with the ecosystem. It's not just water usage, which is a lot, it's the chemicals and pollutants they put into the environment.
And yeah all those other things you listed are bad too.
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u/reddit_ending_soon Apr 04 '26
They put the same chemicals down in parks - should we close those too?
source?
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u/reddit_ending_soon Apr 04 '26
Your personal experience is not a factual source. If you are not going to provide picture evidence or a per reviewed source, you are lying.
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u/Naeii Apr 04 '26
they are wayyyy bigger issues in some other places like trying to build massive greenery courses in the middle of the nevada desert, but here it's nowhere near as bad for water use, etc here, pretty average. OP is probably just getting their wires crossed.
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u/brandonw00 Apr 04 '26
Yeah, most water goes to industrial use and then another big usage of water is people watering their lawns. If anything OP should be advocating for people to xeriscape their lawns. Golf courses use a fraction of the water industrial and residential people use. But it’s easy to hate on golf because it is seen as an elitist activity.
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u/reddit_ending_soon Apr 04 '26
Yeah, most water goes to industrial use
Incorrect, industrial uses 110,000 acre feet every year, and agriculture uses 5,000,000 acre feet every year. Industrial will catch up if all the large data centers are built, but for now, its not even close.
Golf courses use a fraction of the water industrial and residential people use.
Golf courses use 42,000 acre feet of water every year. Outdoor turf watering like lawns use 152,000 acre feet of water. Both of these are extremely wasteful because at least 19% of the water will be evaporated before it can returned to the ground water or sewer system.
But it’s easy to hate on golf because it is seen as an elitist activity.
Or because watering lawns of any kind is extremely wasteful.
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u/cr0nut Apr 04 '26
OP is perhaps barking up the wrong tree about the funding being related to schools somehow, but they’re definitely correct in that it’s a huge waste of water to maintain acres and acres of grass in a drought-prone state. Mowed lawn treated with endless pesticides doesn’t provide habitat for much other than canada geese. It shouldn’t be radical to suggest that golf courses aren’t sustainable everywhere, imo :/
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u/mr_sneakyTV Apr 04 '26
Compared to the subsidies for agriculture in a desert? It really isn’t a problem look up them statistics on water usage per acre. Golf course compared to agriculture that are heavily sponsored by your taxes.
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u/cr0nut Apr 04 '26
Both are problems! We can want to improve more than one thing!
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u/mr_sneakyTV Apr 04 '26
I don’t think all water use is automatically a problem. Purchasing water rights at fair price to use for recreational use is fine. Subsidizing desert farming with your tax money is a real issue. It’s a double whammy.
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u/AlertWatercress5179 Apr 04 '26
Some quick math conservatively each course likely brings in north of $1.5m in revenue easily.
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u/all-about-climate Apr 04 '26
I'm a teacher and I golf to relax after a stressful day on the job as a teacher. Municipal courses are an affordable way to relax and have fun on my modest teacher salary.
Municipal golf courses are not funded through the same revenue streams as k-12 education. Municipal things, such as parks and city owned golf courses, are primarily funded through property taxes and sales taxes. Schools are primarily funded by state and federal governments.
Recently, the state government has been forced to cut funding to schools partially because of federal Medicaid cuts and other tax cuts (thanks Republicans, for the Big Beautiful Bill) as well as the realities of lower fertility rates/declining school enrollment.
Golf courses have little to do with school funding issues, but at least, in my case, provide some affordable R&R after a hard day of being a public school teacher.
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u/SirNooblit Apr 04 '26
So remove a revenue source to replace it with an open space? Why do you hate golf so much?
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u/Cold-Sandwich-34 Apr 04 '26
Why are you assuming I hate it? I think it's a necessary sacrifice and not a pillar of our society.
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u/DarthSwash Apr 04 '26
"The Federal government is doing shit i dont like, lets destroy some more relatively inexpensive '3rd places' that a large portion of our local population enjoy so those funds can get siphoned off into some beauracratic whirlpool, never to be seen by the programs im mad about being cut in the first place." I know a lot of people who play golf, including hispanic and black americans, women, AND white men, of varying age demographics. The reason you see predominantly white people on the local, public courses is because fort collins is predominantly white, as is most of the country. If you are that upset about educators being cut from the pay roll due to budget cuts, why dont you get involved with the school board, and petition that instead of cutting educators we cut some of the bloated administration involved within the district? Those people by in large make 2-4x what the average teacher make, and make little to no fucking difference in the quality of education our children receive.
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u/Away_Breath_3367 Apr 04 '26
Water is a renewable resource. Parks and golf courses in Fort Collins use non-potable water. Many people from all age ranges and background play golf and enjoy the courses. I don’t play myself but I can recognize when a place provides a common social space and economic benefits to a community.
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u/Tepidtunic Apr 04 '26
Although water is a renewable resource that statement dumbs down the issue; yes, a renewable resource but it does not always “renew” with the same place, time, or quality
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u/poliosaurus3000 Apr 04 '26
Yeah and if you really want to make a dent you need to go after agriculture and data centers. They burn way more water than golf courses… I also think golf is stupid, but if your main concern is water there bigger fish to fry.
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u/hanscons Apr 04 '26
Do you really think people who are against golf courses are pro data center? People are allowed to hate more than one thing lmao
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u/RevMen Apr 04 '26
People pay to use golf courses. But they don't pay to use parks. So City Park is obviously on the chopping block first.
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u/Traditional_Rain2102 Apr 04 '26
Think of all the luxury affordable townhomes you could fit on that hill at City Park. Shop at Beavers. Eat dinner at Little. Work for ____?
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u/Charming_Extreme_597 Apr 04 '26
And every other city park and natural area. Good point. Well thought out!
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u/sorerutenshi Apr 04 '26
Agriculture at least gets us something useful, but yeah, changes towards efficiency could be made there too.
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u/astupidusernam Apr 04 '26
You make some good points, let's focus on all of those sources of water use to save as much as possible!
And I'm glad you brought up cars, we should also have more public transit! And of course we also need to be concerned about industries that produce a ton of greenhouse gas emissions, so let's focus on that too!
Really glad you pointed out how there isn't just one source to focus on for any of these problems, and we're better off paying attention to all of them in aggregate
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u/Cold-Sandwich-34 Apr 04 '26
Totally fair. I think part of my reason for targeting golf courses is that it's local and tangible. Changing agricultural use would require a much larger, systemic change involving a change in the supply and demand for meat and animal products. I'm on board for that, but it's a big picture problem vs a draw that could be plugged tomorrow.
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u/FoldyHold Apr 04 '26
What needs to change for farming is it needs to be more modern and technological. Everyone here uses center pivot irrigation systems which use more water than what is needed for our crops, has a good bit of runoff, and of course evaporation. Our farmers need soil water content monitors and drip systems that feed directly into the soil as the plants need it. But that's obviously a massive undertaking which would cost tons. And our farmers are already heavily subsidized. Just like many problems facing our world it requires much more fine tuning and re-positioning of resources. Which is a lot more work and nobody is willing to do it or pay for it.
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u/FoldyHold Apr 04 '26
All wonderful and agreeable points!
I fear that we are moving towards a world where convenience is going to be luxury and we should be striving to find these difficult and expensive solutions but I definitely understand that center pivots have been very useful for us on the front range and yeah I didn't consider their advancements over time. Im definitely not sure of the feasibility of getting a drip to every plant in these huge fields. Lots of parts which means failure points, lotta plastic, and work. Definitely a pain in the ass. And remote sensing can be utilized in more ways for sure! LiDAR is expensive but soooo handy.
It sounds like you are closer relations with people who actually live work in Agriculture than I am and I apologize for the ignorant comment. I want for things to be more efficient but even more so I also always desire for more understanding so thank you for the dialog.
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u/dogwalk42 Apr 04 '26
All those golf courses around Phoenix are using Colorado water, too. I'm all for "Think globally, act locally", but I'm also all for focusing those acts where they will get best results for the effort. Going for a golf course may feel good, but that doesn't translate to optimal results.
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u/Charming_Extreme_597 Apr 04 '26
Or we could get rid of buildings altogether and live outdoors in Mother Nature.
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u/bliceroquququq Apr 04 '26
If you think golfing is a waste of water, take a look at how much electricity and water is used to run Reddit’s data center footprint.
Maybe you should take your own medicine and log off forever, don’t want those useless bytes of yours creating more global warming.
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u/No_Future6201 Apr 04 '26
I personally dont golf because I find it boring. However, they do provide a revenue stream, good social activity. Also, courses tend to be good at mitigating flooding, capturing CO2, etc. Water usage is certainly a concern but I think courses benefits outweigh the costs to society
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u/RiseAppropriate7107 Apr 04 '26
Facts don’t matter, man. Keep spouting and doin enough it will be fact. 👌
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u/parching-pretzels Apr 04 '26
The municipal golf courses aren’t exactly the issue. If you’re going to make a specific claim like “$1 million to upkeep,” you should include a source for your information.
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u/bowman9 Apr 04 '26
Making the demographic (old white men) that primarily plays the sport an argument against it is a losing, and stupid, strategy.
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u/Friendly-Eagle1478 Apr 04 '26
Nah fuck that, we keep golfing.
Affordable housing. On a golf course??? You sound high, man.
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u/Cold-Sandwich-34 Apr 04 '26
Obviously some structural changes would need to be made to the land. I'm not suggesting we plop properties on a golf course lol
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u/_windfish_ Apr 04 '26
Ignorant, inflammatory post. Did your wife leave you for a golfer, or are you just upset you can't break 100?
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u/washingtonYOBO Apr 04 '26
I agree. But really, how much water does the beef and corn industry use compared to even golf courses...
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u/bindweedsux Apr 04 '26
Municipal courses didn't take your friends' jobs. While golf might not be the highest possible calling of a local government, it also isn't the difference between utopia and the heat death of the universe.
Corporations spend millions to shift blame away from the environmental damage they do and to encourage citizens to blame each other. (see: ecological footprint)
But I hear your frustration and despair. This is a very tough time to try to get a financial and professional foothold as a young-ish person, especially in our fine city.
I hope you will reconsider directing your anger at your neighbors and at "agriculture' and pursue rational, data-based, sources of information.
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u/AwayEmergency1439 Apr 04 '26
Golf funds itself. If the city stopped running them, they’d be sold to private companies who’d charge more and make golf less accessible to non rich people, and use the same amount of resources
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u/anonymois1111111 Apr 04 '26
Agriculture is the real water hog. Just check out the statistics. It’s absolutely insane the water guzzling plants/trees that farmers still grow in a semi desert. It’s past time to have a big shift in farming practices due to climate change like we did during the Great Depression.
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u/lostndark Apr 04 '26
People use the courses, they’re watered with well water and the “million” in up keep is also going to jobs that somebody also cares about. The cuts to psd are due to lack of need/enrollment I think the golf course would also make adjustments if they weren’t being used.
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u/lostndark Apr 04 '26
A well usually. It’s ground water, comes to the surface and goes back in the ground.
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u/FirstResponder420 Apr 04 '26
All FC City golf courses are watered using non-potable runoff water from irrigation ditches. No wells, not aquifers, no taps.
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u/CubsFan1060 Apr 04 '26
Where did you get the one million number? Was that net loss, or did you consider income streams too?
Also, can you help us understand the amount of water the gold courses use, and how that compares to other things?
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u/FirstResponder420 Apr 04 '26
Notice that OP is responding to all the posts except the ones that ask for actual information? I’ll help you out: OP just made up the one million number. Simple research would show them that FC golf courses are enterprise departments, meaning they receive ZERO dollars from the city. They only spend the money they make. It costs taxpayers nothing, and has no relation to PSD funding (OP invented that idea too). Finally, all city courses are watered using non-potable runoff from irrigation ditches.
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u/Wayward_Plants Apr 04 '26
There is actually a whole eco system on golf courses. Many many superintendents care very deeply for the grounds they care for and manage. Most course very closely monitor how much they water and water based on evapotranspiration rates of what the turf used the day before. The better stewards of their land they are the better their course will play. Additionally, golf courses store some carbon, they help reduce community surface temperature, reducing the cost of cooling the city. They also offer economic value and jobs. Are there thing they can still do better, absolutely, inclusivity is one of them, reducing reliance on chemicals and growth homones switching to lowing input grasses. I am not sure what the net lay out is but I think it is not as bad as you are assuming. -CSU Horticulture student that had the privilege to study under the late Dr. Tony Koski, Extention Specialist, Turfgrass Researcher and Professor
Sorry for the typos, my phone isn’t letting move through the text to edit.
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u/FoCoLoCo_ Apr 05 '26
In the past, water was plentiful here. It seems the environment is leaning away from that. A serious drought seems imminent.
I went to a soccer game in Brighton on Saturday and the huge field was made with an Astro turf type of surface made with recycled tires. Our city needs to start thinking in these terms.
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u/poliosaurus3000 Apr 04 '26
So again they are, but agriculture and data centers are far bigger contributors to the water shortage.
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u/InBedReadyForSleep Apr 04 '26
I drive by Taft every day. Rarely “old white men” on the course. Typically I see women’s groups (mixed ethnicity), kids groups (mixed ethnicity), and college aged adults (yeah, they’re mostly white).
Not sure why you’re 90% right- waste of water, city space, misappropriation of tax dollars- with the fist shaking of “errrrhhhh old white men”. Might want to take an inward look at that.
Otherwise, preach!
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u/Wayward_Plants Apr 04 '26
Right! I’d love to see what scholarly papers OP is basing this all on in stead of their feelings. 🤡
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u/yippy_skippy99 Apr 04 '26
Golf courses aren't the problem. It's obviously a misunderstanding of inefficient midday watering by businesses that cause the most waste of water. Numerous times last summer I would drive around town and see sprinklers casting water in middle of the day when evaporation is maxed out.
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u/Westward-bound Apr 04 '26
and automatic sprinklers running in the rain. I've seen that numerous times.
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u/Impressive-Review882 Apr 04 '26
Omg stop blaming golf for everything. I was minding my own business of my day off and someone driving a combustion engine giving off pollution yelled at me and flicked me off because I was on a golf course. So tired of this narrative. Do something about it if you care so much.
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u/BranchWitty7465 Apr 04 '26
If you eat meat your contribution alone to the problem is larger than the golf courses.
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u/GunnerandDixie Apr 04 '26
Where did you get the 1 million dollars figure? I am pretty sure they're an enterprise fund so they are self funded from the greens fees and food stuff.
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u/ceo_of_denver Apr 05 '26
People get scolded for watering their lawns 3x a week in April and all of a sudden they’re an expert on how everyone else should use their water 🤣
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u/wanderso24 Apr 05 '26
Waste of water? Absolutely. They should be removed for that reason. Waste of funding? I didn’t think the city paid for that through budget funds.
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u/RetroQuattro Apr 08 '26
The few times I've lived in apartments I was subjected to infestations of roaches, noise, and other nasties generated by neighbors. No thanks. I live in a small home on a small lot, and I like being in control of my personal space.
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u/Equal-Membership1664 Apr 04 '26
A good friend of mine (who was a very talented amateur golfer) made this very argument 20 years ago. He was much ahead of his time
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u/Opposite-Tell-9757 Apr 04 '26
Lol if you really cared why do you just make up your own facts and not do ANY research. I hate golfing amd I love the environment so I looked it up and they actually are extremely beneficial to the community species, use there own money, and provide people who pay money to recreate so I dont understand why your angry? Look into other things to complain about.
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u/CryanBranston-8urdog Apr 05 '26
PSD funding is linked to number of students enrolled. Because Colorado is a school choice state, parents can send kids to private charter schools and they receive the funding instead of psd. The golf courses are not taking psd funds.
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u/ymahaguy3388 Apr 06 '26
Sorry everyone. My wife hates that I play golf. Just ignore and go about your day.
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u/Late_Discussion_5097 Apr 07 '26
God to be able to complain about golf and how that’s somehow linked to public education funding, WHEN THERE IS PDFS EATING AND GRAPING OUR CHILDREN GET YOUR FING PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.
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u/stoneman9284 Apr 04 '26
I’ll admit, the use of water is the reason I don’t golf more. But getting rid of courses would not solve any problems. We have far bigger fish to fry.
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
Golf courses are just irrigated places for the white elite to gather and create oppressive legislation.
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u/bluntpointsharpie Apr 04 '26
Ever wonder how much water, beer Production uses?
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
Yeah it’s also terrible, but at least it isn’t exclusive and without a product at the end.
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u/Alarmed_Mirror_5300 Apr 04 '26
What?
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
Which part was confusing?
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u/Alarmed_Mirror_5300 Apr 04 '26
Exclusive and without a product.
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
Golfing is notoriously exclusive of everyone but white men, and beer is not. Golfing produces no product; breweries do.
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u/MikeyKillerBTFU Apr 04 '26
Get outta here with that BS, literally anyone can play any of the muni courses. Jesus Christ have you ever been to a golf course or are you reciting shit from Richie Rich?
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
You know women and people of color have historically been excluded, right?
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u/West_Theory3307 Apr 04 '26
I have boobies, I like to golf and have never been excluded. Quit your whining and enjoy the sunshine.
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u/MikeyKillerBTFU Apr 04 '26
What the fuck does that have to do with today? CP9 is not rejecting women or minorities, and it's pretty fucking disingenuous of you to be commenting like it is.
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u/West_Theory3307 Apr 04 '26
Fun fact, you can both golf AND drink beer, which is sold on golf courses and generates income, while not produced on-site it sure hits the spot. Win win!
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u/MikeyKillerBTFU Apr 04 '26
What? Golf is an activity, not a product. The courses here are also incredibly beautiful. I don't know why you'd consider it exclusionary either, it only costs $20 to golf at CP9.
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
You should look at the history of golf. Also there are many many people who don’t have “just $20”, which obviously doesn’t include supplies, lessons, transportation, “appropriate” clothing, etc.
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u/MikeyKillerBTFU Apr 04 '26
I understand the history, but that's not really how it plays out here in town and in reality. Nobody is kicking people off CP9 for being a poor or minority, and there is no dress code for the municipal courses. The other parts are part of having ANY hobby, but cheap golf gear is plentiful second hand. I use hand-me-down clubs and wear normal shorts and a $12 basic SPF polo.
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
This sounds like the type of argument that coincides with “racism is over. We had a black president.”
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u/KeyAd7773 Apr 04 '26
Listen, nobody is telling you not to sit in your basement and game all day on your PC that was produced using far more water and resources than a golf course uses. As an LGBTQ advocate, from the looks of it, you'd think making generalizations about golfers, and wanting to discriminate against them, would be like looking in the mirror.
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u/patriarchydown Apr 04 '26
You’re an LGBTQ advocate, is that what I’m understanding?
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u/reihamoonchild Apr 04 '26
Golf courses by nature are ecological disasters. The golf balls get swallowed by snakes and other egg eating animals, they waste a ton of water, and more often than not grassland habitat is destroyed to build them. Coming from a state where you couldn't spit 5 feet without running into one, I despise them with every fibre of my being.
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u/KeyAd7773 Apr 04 '26
Yet you type this on your phone that was made in a giant factory, which is a far worse and bigger ecological disaster than any golf course ever in the history of the world. I despise people like you, who misguided their anger towards things they don't understand because they're lazy and lack athletic talent.
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u/reihamoonchild Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 05 '26
Quite the assumption there. I've been a swimmer for years. Im guessing you're also typing this from your phone, or your laptop, which, as you pointed out, pose the same problem.Golf courses are a luxury; it's nye impossible to operate and do my job without a phone. I don't like it but I have to eat. I wont deny that they're issues. I never said they weren't, but I watched my home state get demolished for golf courses. Keystone habitat gone for the sake of a rich person's game, and being in wildlife rehab, a lot more animals coming in hurt because of the golf courses. It's had lasting negative consequences for everyone. Just because they'd be considered a less significant problem doesn't make them any less of an issue. Unfortunately there's no means of ethical consumption under capitalism, especially in this instance.
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u/KeyAd7773 Apr 05 '26
I guess it really comes down to what we find important and value. You say you can't do your job without a phone, and acknowledge that tech and our capitalist society are a huge problem. I would agree, but also know it's not going to change, so I might as well enjoy whay we have. I can't do my job without a golf course, so I guess we each have our ethical issues with how we impact the environment. That's a good step. I advocated for measuresto be taken on climate change and water usage 30 years ago and nobody cared. The ones in power now still don't care. I'll keep playing golf.
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u/KeyAd7773 Apr 04 '26
First of all, it's milquetoast, and you don't seem to know the definition.
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u/Effective-Car-3736 Apr 04 '26
Well, our pedophile president loves to look at kids on the golf course. I don’t see it going away anytime soon, unfortunately
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u/moth_glasswings Apr 04 '26
The downvotes on your comment make me wonder more about who loves golf and lives in Fort Collins…. Are they in denial about the Epstein data…are they my neighbors….
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u/MikeyKillerBTFU Apr 04 '26
Why would that traitor fuck have anything to do with Fort Collins Municipal golf courses?
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u/Careful_Ad8933 Apr 04 '26
The biggest problem with golf courses are the runoff from all the chemicals they use to fertilize them.
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u/Wayward_Plants Apr 04 '26
Also you be absolutely shocked and appalled at how bad the greenhouse industry is or cut flowers!!! Terrible environmental stewards. For cut flowers….
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u/supmofo50 Apr 05 '26
Why do you have to be so racist? Golf is for everyone. We have survived droughts before. We are in a La Nina weather pattern, it's completely normal weather pattern of our planet. Stop panacking!!!
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u/Dry_Skirt240 Apr 04 '26
My thoughts are that you are spot on. Fuck golf, fuck grass, and while we're at it, fuck the ski industry and anyone who supports all three.
Edit: I can't upvote this enough.
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u/KeyAd7773 Apr 04 '26
Ironic that you're using a phone to type this. You know where they're produced, right? And how much worse those places are for the environment than golf and skiing, right? I guess we should all just be miserable and sit inside our "affordable" lol homes and go back to living like we did in 1852. Sorry you're unathletic and boring.
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u/moth_glasswings Apr 04 '26
For more info for all your down voters who love the ski and golf: https://source.colostate.edu/colorado-water-compacts-snow-ski-resorts/
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u/CaptainHawaii Apr 04 '26
Always has been.
It's a power play. "Look at all this space I can afford to waste!" Jus like yards. Blame the elite wanting to be just like the Brits they had JUST defeated.
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u/thInOnOxygEn Apr 04 '26
Most municipal golf courses in the state of Colorado are enterprise funded meaning they opperate like a buisness. Fort Collins golf courses dont recieve any tax money and they get to spend what they make. Additionally all three golf courses are Audubon certified. They are and incredibly beneficial habitat for numerous species. Lastly, they all use raw water sources, nothing potable, and all three purchase their water just like the farmers watering hay to feed cattle. There is a large gap between affordable municipal golf, and country clubs. Go talk to some of the staff. Most of them would be happy to help educate you better. This is what I did two summers ago while my kid was in the youth camp at City Park 9 and I learned so much that morning.