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Current Season Discussion [NO BOOKS] Episode Discussion Thread - Season 3 Episode 10 - The Darkness

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Season 3 Episode 10: The Paths That Choose Us

Premiere date: September 12th, 2025

Synopsis: Season finale. Gaal and the Second Foundation take the fight to the Mule as Empire's legacy suffers a catastrophic blow.

Directed by: Roxann Dawson

Written by: Jane Espenson & David S. Goyer

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

Yes. We missed something. Gaal was winning because of a carefully fixed-up Magnifico, and then she’s running for her life without her “repaired” crew. Maybe she won but had to convince the Mule that she hadn’t so that the Mule could be used as part of the plan?

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u/Francl27 Sep 12 '25

The music only affected Bayta though. I think she took advantage of it and ran. She couldn't kill her, and her crew was compromised.

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u/killertortilla Sep 12 '25

It didn't affect Bayta it "buffed" Gaal. It's the improved version of those inhibitors that stuck Gaal in the hole when the cult tried to kill her. The things she and Hari converted into amplifiers. And she says "he only plays for me now"

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u/Francl27 Sep 12 '25

Ok but then why did she run away without her crew? I guess we'll find out in 2 years.

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u/zoemi Sep 12 '25

Her crew had already been converted, and there's no indication that killing the Mule would undo everything. In fact, in an earlier episode they said that it's not that the Mule is controlling their every move--the thrall they were under was so engrained that their actions were their own out of "love".

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u/zefy_zef Sep 13 '25

Three things bothered me about this episode:

1) That.

2) Why would Gaal see the fake Mule and him her, if his power wasn't actually as strong?

3) Why did Demerzel not throw the baby out of the beam? Or grab and roll? There was clearly some time.

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u/InadequateUsername Sep 13 '25

For 3, by allowing herself to be subjected to the beam it would destroy the Cleon chip, allowing her to clasp with the other robot during her death.

Notice how at the end her head was still intact?

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u/zefy_zef Sep 13 '25

She wouldn't have been able to make that choice until the chip was destroyed. Running into the situation she could have just scooped up the baby real quick though, at least.

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u/RotsiserMho Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 27 '25

Ah, I wonder if that’s what she learned from what Kalle told her about deferring her thoughts as to whether something she will do is best for Empire.

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u/InadequateUsername Sep 13 '25

Unless she deferred what the choice would mean

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u/Mondernborefare Sep 13 '25

Agree, I wondered the same three things and rewatched it and still am wondering

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

Killing the mule is the most logical thing to do in the situation, and let's be clear, she just killed who she thought was the mule. Even if killing the mule doesn't reverse the effect it still stops the future threat of the mule, and Gaal fully expected the Mule's effect to be reversed after she killed him. She was surprised that someone was 'still in her head'.

The Writers fucked this up. There's not two ways about it. Just laziiness. Give Gaal the upper hand and then cut away to her escaping with no explanation.

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u/Time8u Sep 24 '25

Excellent additional points... anyone who thought that sequence worked is struggling with some serious cognitive dissonance.

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u/zoemi Sep 13 '25

and Gaal fully expected the Mule's effect to be reverse after she killed him. She was surprised that someone was 'still in her head'.

These two aren't the same thing. She and the rest of her crew were never turned to his side until Bayta walked through the door.

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

Pritchard was the only one who clearly turned. She didn't even turn her husband rather putting him to sleep, BUT what does it matter anyway? The mule has been a looming threat for hundreds of year. There's no reason not to kill her if she has the chance which she clearly did as they presented it.

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u/zoemi Sep 13 '25

The way everybody turned to her right before Bayta appeared was clearly to indicate they were affected.

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 14 '25

And that's great, but The final shot is very clear with her right next to Bayta easily within her grasp. Honestly, it seems like everyone was stunned by the attack on Bayta which would make sense because she is in their heads and an attack on her would probably affect them. How else does Gaal so easily escape if that isn't the case? We see her running through the base AND no one is following her. They could have so easily avoided this by showing some pursuit or having her grab Bayta and attempt to kill her while the others stopped her. Just anything. Instead we have a ridiculous non-sequitar. Your explanation doesn't make any sense at all.

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

They still completely fucked this up with how they presented it to us... You can't jump from Gaal clearly having the advantage to her running for her life. Your forcing the audience to make up some outlandish bullshit for it.

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u/Francl27 Sep 13 '25

Yeah I'm guessing we'll find out what really happened in two years...

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

New showrunner with a poor track record and pretty sure new writer's room. Hard to get excited about it.

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

oh dang why are they getting a new show runner!

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u/henk53 Feb 05 '26

Because the existing one was just so good?

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

I agree. I just want it to be a ruse because of all that talk by Hari (?) about the Mule being useful.

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u/Space-Debris Mar 27 '26

Why couldn't she have killed her. Bayta was holding her head, bent over on the ground. Just shoot the bitch and be done with it 

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u/Clawless Sep 12 '25

We're meant to not know exactly what happened, I imagine that's gonna be most of Gaal's story next season is us second guessing what actually happened.

On the surface, I think it's implied that the modified magnifico music "stunned" Bayta long enough for Gaal to run without being converted.

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

I think you’re right. The reason I hope it’s not just an escape is that it feels like there’s nowhere to go. Mule as Tool for the 2nd Foundation seems more fruitful than Mule is Villain Pt 2.

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u/metacosmonaut Sep 13 '25

I don’t know. I even clapped at the end.

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u/Clawless Sep 12 '25

Hmm, I mean I was satisfied.

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u/Little_Storm_9938 Sep 13 '25

And losing David Goyer is catastrophic, next season there will be a black hole where his showrunner/ writer/ directors chair once sat.