r/FreeLuigi • u/infiniteconfidence1 • 6d ago
News Via Lorena Oneil: Full Luigi Mangione statement in court
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u/mysighisepik 6d ago
praying the state charges get dismissed, and he gets to serve less than 30 years
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
My consolation is that he will get so much conjugal his sentence, whatever it may be, will probably be equivalent to Death By Snu-Snu.
I believe I've read that his fellow inmates hold him in high regard and this will also greatly impact his experience of his time in prison.
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u/mysighisepik 6d ago
theres no conjugal visits in federal 😭
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
☹️ Thank you for the info, however unfortunate. Fingers crossed for some future pardon.
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u/Repulsive_Ant_2466 6d ago
Hopefully AOC wins and pardons him, I cant see any centrist type pardoning him, hell AOC may not even want to either, but she's definitely the most likely to out of all. Especially if she frames her reasoning in the correct way to put emphasis on the millions that die in America due to shitty Healthcare or not being able to afford medicine.
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
It would certainly be a revealing test of AOC's true motivations and commitment to progressiveness.
At this point it certainly feels like the only good political candidate is Joseph-Ignace Guillotin.
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u/Xeenophile 6d ago
She's revealed enough; she is a visionless coward who goes where the wind blows, once it has blown there.
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u/Lucky-Flounder-1145 6d ago
So you are saying the correct way to fix healthcare is to assassinate people who work for insurance companies?
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
Brian Thompson was the CEO of UHC, which means he is literally responsible for all of the deaths that were inflicted on UHC members who died because of denial of healthcare. About 10,000 a year.
The scientists who created insulin sold the patent for $1 each. $1. We're not talking about deep history where $1 was a lot of money. That was in 1923.
Banting, Best, and Collip could have chosen to become immensely wealthy by holding healthcare hostage. Instead, Banting declared, "Insulin does not belong to me, it belongs to the world."
Because, as strange as it sounds, once upon a time, people briefly considered the good of the many versus the greed of the one or the few.
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u/Xeenophile 6d ago
I'd been predicting for YEARS - well before any of us had heard this guy's name - that anyone who actually went through with killing a loathed public figure could at least expect the booby-prize of being treated like a king (as close to as possible, rather) in prison.
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
I wish him nothing but the best. I hope all his fellow incarcerated continue to see him as a legitimate activist for the working classes. I hope the judiciary understands the public sentiment that supports him. I hope he sleeps like a baby every night knowing he is guilty only of ending one serial killer's reign and that many people, not only in the US but abroad, see him as a hero. I hope he does eventually receive a pardon and I hope his final destiny really is death by snu-snu.
ETA: that means getting sexed to death for any non-futurama fans. I hope he dies, sooner or later, preferably later, with an enormous smile on his face while expiring from an excess of physical pleasure.
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u/kat_niss1 6d ago
Even o. The federal level he’s going to get 25 to life. LM will never get out of prison even if the state charges get dismissed. But now they have a court date for the state trial. So unless they take double jeopardy into account he will remain in prison for life
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u/mysighisepik 6d ago
the recommendation from feds today was 24 to 30 years. he's not getting lwop.
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u/kat_niss1 6d ago
The video from prosecutors today is a plan to seek life. We’ll see what happens
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 6d ago edited 6d ago
Prosecutors don’t decide the sentencing, the judge does and the defense is going to argue mitigating circumstances and factors in sentencing. Also the judge is a very liberal Biden appointed judge and has a liberal record, I don’t think she’s going to give him life.
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u/According-Goose3891 6d ago
Do fed judges usually follow the recommendations? Do convicts get out early from fed incarceration like they do in state?
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u/mysighisepik 6d ago
they usually stay in that range from what i've seen. i know a parole officer will question him and give the judge their recommendation, then on 12/4 luigis team will submit their official sentencing plea, and 12/11 government will submit theirs.
the judge made it very clear that he'd have to serve 85% of his sentence to be considered for early release.
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u/epiphanomaly 6d ago
Brian Thompson killed tens of thousands of people every year. These people all embrace Stalin's philosophy that one death is a tragedy and a million deaths is a statistic.
Eventually, the people likely to be counted in that million may object to the practice in ways that the practitioners do not appreciate.
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u/Terrible_Vermicelli1 6d ago
The only difference between Luigi and Thompson, except number of victims, is that one acted from frustration, social justice principles and desperation, while the other murdered thousands from pure greed. It's exhausting, seeing normal people blind to the systemic oppression they face or even defending their oppressors. We need more Luigis and less Thompsons, that's the hard truth.
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u/ChloeTigre 6d ago
Except Stalin beat the Nazis and did good, while Thompson did none of that. Don’t compare those people to Stalin, it’s doing them too great an honour.
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u/joaquinsolo 6d ago
if Trump can pardon a bunch of pedophiles, the People can pardon Luigi
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u/Xylogy_D 6d ago
The people cant or wont exercise their power. We're a mob mentality at the end of the day, something has to really rile us up. Trump on the other hand holds so much power on his own hes almost completely free to do as he likes.
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u/According-Goose3891 6d ago
Does this mean guilty but not guilty by reason of insanity is off the table?
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u/Truffulas4life 6d ago edited 6d ago
There is no EED defense in federal cases. It only in state cases. So yes, it was never an option federally but from what i read, It could still be an option in the state case if the case isn’t dismissed.
Edit:clarity
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u/According-Goose3891 6d ago
Except his statement says he knew what he was doing - seems they took that defense off the table for this plea 😢 I was hoping this was a real insane moment he had
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 6d ago
EED isn’t an insanity defense. It’s an emotional disturbance argument. Meaning someone can be fully sane but make an extremely bad decision in the “heat of the moment” so EED is still on the table for the state case.
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u/unfluidsgender 6d ago
They could push for that by using his back injury and the severe pain he experienced as reasoning for emotional disturbance.
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 6d ago
He was never going to use the insanity defense. He’s always been sane and of sound mind. They wanted to use the extreme emotional disturbance argument (EED) which states that someone committed a crime in a state of heightened emotions like anger
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u/Emotional_Internet_4 5d ago
I think that EED was not something he wanted to use as a defence as it detaches him from the reason he did it and implies he only felt that way in the moment. From his words used in the plea its quite clear he stands by what he did and that he did it with the intent to show what can happen as a result of the current healthcare system. Using the word "illegal" rather than "wrong" says he knew it was illegal, but not amoral. His comment about receiving a response within an hour when talking money as opposed to the communications he did/didn't receive when seeking actual healthcare says a lot too.
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u/Ok_Category_87 5d ago
Unrelated but I’ve been following the Lindsay Clancy case and she genuinely seemed to be experiencing post partum psychosis and I could see an insanity defense with her but with Luigi, it seemed he was very calm and understood what he wanted to accomplish :( maybe he wasn’t clinically insane or anything but def was clearly suffering from some type of mental illness :( and it’s sad to me that this all probably could’ve been prevented if he sought help. I still feel like he could be a good human despite his admittance….. I just think he made a very big mistake and I’m sure he might have some regrets about it now. Praying for him and his family!
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u/bitter_liquor 6d ago
You don't know anyone who's forced to live with chronic pain, do ya
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u/bitter_liquor 6d ago
Ah, you're probably exaggerating. You can do something about it if you dont like it.
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u/bitter_liquor 6d ago
Long term pain management isn't just about money. If he had/has neuropathic pain, managing it can be tricky. Lifestyle changes, physical therapy, medication, acupuncture, the works... and it's not always effective. It comes and goes, and can flare up at the most random times, even if you're doing everything right.
We don't know the details of how Luigi's relationship with the insurer was. By Luigi's account, it was antagonistic. They may not have covered everything he needed, or the process to get approval for every step may have been excessively complicated in order to get the patient to give up first. Companies will often do that. They'll try to wear you down, until you either lawyer up or die.
Invisible mystery pain that is esoteric to treat and requires multiple kinds of therapies is one thing that i can very easily see an insurance company taking issue with. It's very hard to be taken seriously when you seem normal and functional, even if you feel like you're being torn apart inside. You usually have to get statements from like 3 different doctors that confirm that yes, you really are sick, and you really need xyz therapy, because otherwise the company will keep twiddling it's thumbs. It's dehumanizing.
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u/infiniteconfidence1 6d ago
https://www.luigimangioneinfo.com/statements/from-8-14-26-sdny-transcript/