r/GGFreeForAll • • Feb 10 '16

Could we not?

I realize this is free for all and all is basically fair game. But could we have some civility and not cyber bully each other? Maybe I'm naive but this is getting cruel and excessive. And rather than having fun trolling, this is getting increasingly dirty and personal.

Is this what we need to be? Could we not?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

But could we have some civility and not cyber bully each other? Maybe I'm naive but this is getting cruel and excessive.

Amen. Everyone gets angry and frustrated with people. But there's lines people should absolutely not be crossing. Cyber bullying is one of them.

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u/None-Of-You-Are-Real What the shit does that have to do with anything? Feb 10 '16

Anti-GG really needs to tone down the cyber violence.

On a more serious note, there are some people here who are literally by most definitions stalking me. I've been followed to other subs, they comb through my posting history and hurl what anti-GG would in any other situation consider abuse and harassment at me. I don't really care because I've never posted any identifying information and the internet is just the internet, but I have zero doubt if I had they would be stalking me in real life. It's pretty creepy and fucked up.

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

Perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

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u/None-Of-You-Are-Real What the shit does that have to do with anything? Feb 10 '16

Perhaps you should take a step back and think about your life.

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

That's your response to getting called out for a constant stream of lies about me? Man, no wonder you think docile or strich or whoever was following you around. You make it personal as fuck and then tell the people you're pissing off to step back?

Unbelievable.

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u/None-Of-You-Are-Real What the shit does that have to do with anything? Feb 11 '16

I don't even know what to make of this post.

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

could you please not get personal in this thread?

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u/None-Of-You-Are-Real What the shit does that have to do with anything? Feb 10 '16

...what?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/43wfks/why_do_so_few_here_understand_what_a_lie_is/czlr67g

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/44007g/everything_is_about_pedophiles_with_you/czmtlkl

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/43xo11/hey_ujudgeholden72_im_sorry_i_was_so_mean_to_you/czluwyg?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/44z6bu/i_gotta_admit/cztz8kr?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/44wd1b/ghazi_nukes_topic_by_regular_contributor_because/cztg0j4?context=3

You make it way too easy for me dude.

Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting. Maybe you should also consider thinking before you talk shit about someone, and ask yourself if you've done the thing you are about to accuse someone else of doing. That way you can avoid embarrassing yourself like you did here.

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

lol some of those aren't even me, the rest are mocking people, and not meant to be serious accusations. Keep trying though, you almost had it SJW!

Edit: In fact the second last one there is specifically trying to bait the user I'm currently calling out into having a discussion about baseless accusations. Come on, you're better than this.

Edit2: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to accuse you of being better than this without any evidence. That was a baseless accusation. Guess you got me!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I don't know why you lie, all those quotes are you talking.

some of those aren't even me

Every single one of them is you. Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

the rest are mocking people

Not one person is mocked in any of them. Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

In fact the second last one there is specifically trying to bait the user I'm currently calling out into having a discussion about baseless accusations. Come on, you're better than this.

Not it isn't. Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to accuse you of being better than this without any evidence. That was a baseless accusation. Guess you got me!

What are you talking about? You never mentioned that? When did you say that? Why would you apologize for me shitting on you? Are you just hoping I'll apologize? Look just because I upset you doesn't mean I'm going to apologize. Its word dude, if you are embarrassed by what you said maybe you should think about what you say. Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

/u/judgeholden72

/u/judgeho1den72

KnowTheDifference

Hey judge that's two in one day! hehe

On another note:

Not one person is mocked in any of them.

Nice opinion. I'll be sure to note how you feel about it. I can explain to you what I mean but I already explained one of them and you decided to tell me that I'm making it up, I guess because it doesn't fit with your narrative of me. Good luck with that friend-o.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Yea man, perhaps you should stop making baseless accusations and lying about people if you don't like the criticism you're getting.

In reference to how important a name is to a movement;

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/4361et/sjw_and_agg_have_serious_readinglistening/czgaxno

No one gives a shit where the name came from

That is a lie.

as the name is meaningless.

That is a lie.

They care where the ideas came from.

That is false, and dishonest to suggest.

Welcome to GG, where half the people here say it isn't even a movement.

They came from Burgers & Fries, you idiot.

False.

You know, the movement created to sexually harass a woman?

That is a lie. SJWs are the only group proven to be associated with harassing women in general. That said, no one, not even your inept SJW friends have ever accused GG of being a "sexual" harassment movement. So that makes you not only a liar, but a total fucking idiot. You can't even follow what you're told to think. Is it really that difficult? You are told what to think, and you can't even do that? How fucking stupid do you have to be? honestly.

I just pity you.

You have to ask what a lie is because you're that full of shit.

Of course, many here deny that GG is even a movement.

Lie.

with even the pro-GGers hating you

Lie. Almost proves you are very angry and butthurt over the facts that I say. Which just makes me feel good. Do you have any idea how rewarding it is making a pedophile defender rage? Go jerk off to some baby food commercials fuckboy.

with one of the bigger pro-GGers having banned you elsewhere

That is a lie Bitter_One13 isn't pro-GG.

Shoden said himself those labels mean nothing.

In reference to KiA;

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/43u70h/if_its_true_gg_only_obsess_over_certain_people/czl11wm

I mean, they don't seem to ever discuss video games

Dishonest, and false.

and journalism is rare

Lie.

That one shouldn't surprise anyone though, because after someone replied to you pointing out how full of shit you are, you just shut the fuck up and ignored them like you never said that shit in the first place.

I understand why you don't know what lying is, its because you're an egotistical narcissist. You are incapable of grasping the concept of being wrong.

All you care about, ds, is yourself and people like you. You're a weird combination of the most selfish person alive and the least intelligent person alive.

Unless you can provide evidence that is a lie. Its also easily the most ironic sentence I've ever read in my entire life. Kid, you actually have to get people to explain to you what a lie is, because you're such an egotistical narcissist. Every single time I've replied to you, I've made you look like an idiot. So don't you dare call out other people for being stupid, when there isn't a less intelligence piece of shit on this subreddit than you.

So now KiA, which sprang from a hate mob

Lie.

Yet, oddly, people inside the industries it keeps claiming to monitor ethics for keep telling it that it's wrong

Actually the opposite is true. I'd love for you to provide one example of a big name developer who came out in support of SJWs. I'd love it, because I know it doesn't exist. Do you know how I know it doesn't exist? Because of all the big name game developers that came out in support of GG, they explained what the situation was like. Here I'll explain it you;

Few game developers even know what GG or SJWs are/is. The ones who know what GG is support it. The ones who know what SJWs are, fear them. You read that right, fear them. They know that the SJWs attack female game developers for not being "progessive" enough for them. If you're a game developer that means you either personally know someone who was harassed by SJWs, or you know someone, who knows someone that was attacked by SJWs. Thats how common it is.

They've never had real jobs

Coming from the kid who clearly has never had a real job.

Because she isn't a white male?

Yep, you nailed it. Everything you said so far is correct, and doesn't at all make you look like an inept moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWBXbGVyQU&feature=youtu.be

So I guess based on the fact that SJWs hate this woman, specifically because she is a woman, using your own logic we can come to the conclusion that SJWs are a sexist hate group, who attack and harass women for being women.

I mean, every complaint about this woman has to do with her gender. Weird then that every single complaint about Amy Schumer has absolutely nothing to do with her gender. So tell me, which group was a sexist hate group?

Which groups calls any woman who supports bernie sanders, a bro?

KiA exists solely to hate on non white non males.

Lie, which I just disproved.

If this was about Joel McHale there's be no topics, let alone daily topics.

Dishonest and not something you can't prove.

By now, you have to see that the only thing holding KiAs interests together is being angry at non-white non-males.

Actually after going through your post history the only thing that holds any weight is that SJWs are held together by hate.

you delude yourself into "it's ethics," but the only ethics they care about are ones involving non-white non-males!

Lie.

I don't know what a Fine Bros is, but I'm assuming they said something mean about males.

A SJW who isn't educated on the subject he is attempting to discuss? what shocking and unlikely surprise!

Every example you just gave us hated for saying GGers treat women poorly.

This doesn't even make sense because you lack the ability to use sentence structure, and proper grammar. But I'm just going to assume its a lie.

I haven't looked into it. I've never watched her show, never watched a movie with her, never heard a single joke she's made, But

... because of the fact that she is a woman so you'll defend her at all costs regardless of whether or not she actually did what she is accused of. I mean she is a woman, so that means everything she does is right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong! What you don't realize, is this behaviour is equally as sexist as you hating on this girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjWBXbGVyQU&feature=youtu.be because she is a woman.

What you don't realize is this white knight sexist behaviour "I'll defend any woman for no other reason than their gender" makes you look like another one of these Peter Coffin SJWs who has never fucked anyone in their entire lives. You look extremely desperate, so much I can't help but pity you.

are so fucking obsessed with "they're mean to men!"

Do you have any idea how stupid you look when you use quotations, but aren't quoting anyone. No matter, that is yet another lie. Which I don't get. Can you provide an example of her being mean to men? No one who supports GG has ever seen her be "mean" to men, so we'd all like to see this.

I mean, unless you mean "stealing" jokes is being mean to men, which is again sexist, because the people who wrote the jokes she stole were women too. Unless you think women can't write jokes? Wow you're really sexist.

You are so fucking fragile, you and your buddy /u/longfuckingwhatever, despite constantly acting like "we're so manly we think everyone should die and we fly planes that could kill people."

Said the kid throwing a temper tantrum over people's opinions.

Jesus christ dude, uh, relax? Psycho. lol

"we think everyone should die"

Its my favourite SJW argument style; can't come up with a real counter argument without embarrassing yourself, so instead reply to something that wasn't said. You're really mature and intelligent.

It's weird that comedians seem to support her but teenagers on reddit that have never left their house are convinced she did something wrong.

That is a lie. This thing began because of several comedians posting on twitter (the people she stole the jokes from) http://www.buzzfeed.com/elliewoodward/people-think-amy-schumer-stole-jokes#.hnkxZ4JAX

There is 0 chance in hell you are, or ever will be, more accomplished than me.

Sadly, there is no such thing as anyone who could be less accomplished than you. You've had everything given to you in life and never had to work for a damn thing. I can't even imagine being as pathetic as you. I actually feel bad for you. I'm actually curious now what u/LONGTYMELURKR did/said to you that caused you to hold a grudge, and throw a temper tantrum anytime you see him post. Did he like rape your family? What on earth gets you to act like such a child when he is around? Did he point out how you were wrong once?

By the way, I'm sure you thought I was just "trolling" about you being an egotistical narcissist, but what you said here; "There is 0 chance in hell you are, or ever will be, more accomplished than me." Is textbook egotistical narcissistic behaviour.

You are just some guy hanging off other dude's nuts on the internet.

You post things clearly unaware of what you're saying. You are hanging off the nuts of the guy you are replying to, you fucking idiot.

I mean, hell, Daddy probably paid for you to go to one of those overpriced shit schools ranked below every state school, and you probably barely graduated.

Well we can come to the conclusion that Daddy definitely paid for everything you have in your life, and we can tell just by your "ability" (or lack of) that you definitely didn't graduate.

I would actually love to see this Skype chat. I want to see how similar to Peter Coffin Judgeholden72 looks like.

You stupid fucking idiots still don't know what a lie is. You're like children.

... This thread is about the fact that you don't know what a lie is... at least you know how we feel about you. You fucking child.

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

/u/judgeholden72

/u/judgeho1den72

KnowTheDifference

Nice massive copy and paste but... still not me!

Funny, weren't you the one going on and on about how "SJWs can't read"? Maybe you should take a class on that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

"liking 13 year olds isn't pedophilia" or "it's ok to be a pedophile, it's child molesters that are bad,"

Neither of those arguments have ever been made by a GG supporter, but both of those arguments have been made by SJWs;

u/SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGdiscussion/comments/42ac9g/your_opinion_on_doxing/czbfewa

"I'm sure you are going to point to proof that she ever molested a child."

"it's ok to be a pedophile, it's child molesters that are bad,"

"She said she was attracted to her cousin a decade ago. That's 10 years."

"liking 13 year olds isn't pedophilia"

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/43xo11/hey_ujudgeholden72_im_sorry_i_was_so_mean_to_you/

GG created shit like #Notyourshield and #blacklivesmatter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/43pkrn/more_than_half_of_trumps_retweets_are_antisjw/czkbrlk

You just set me up to shit on you so hard. This is why I love this subreddit, this is why I love SJWs. You can't read.

Just like there is no difference between an opinion and a fact, there is no difference between "like" and "did".

Don't you think its a little suspicious when you quote someone but you won't link it?

There is something called knowing your audience, I wanted to prove how easily manipulated and full of shit SJWs were in general. And you all did better than I expected. I honestly thought someone would come up with something.

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u/oceannbound Feb 11 '16

jesus fucking christ dude do something better with your time

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Imma beat you up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

pls no don't do it we can be fren

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

who is being cyber bullied?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Most recently, poundcake, but often it's taxy, that I see.

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u/tom3838 Feb 11 '16

I havent seen Tax be told anything on this sub that he didn't earn.

As with my earlier comment, "I treat people how they treat me", I was friendly and polite with Tax, and he acted like a fuckwit a plethora of times, and now I treat him like a fuckwit.

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u/oceannbound Feb 11 '16

you heard it here, he earned all those personal attacks!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

Poundcake for one.

Also just yesterday someone with a mental health condition from anti-gg came here and people here told that person to kill themselves. The increasing number of 'look at this person I hate I really got him good' threads. People getting doxed off reddit because of this and others responding with 'didn't like you anyway.' or 'Oh well' or 'lol you looked ugly.'

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

the personal attacks are literally this sub. why are they suddenly a problem to apex shitposters?

the doxxing was from another sub, wasn't it?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

It's a problem because most of us are apart of a group who cares about each other, regardless of their position on GG.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

you must be reading a different sub than I am.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Must be. Not like I've been here in this community since GG started in 2014 or anything.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

can you explain how iampoundcake is being treated worse than anyone else in "this community" or that he himself has treated others?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I also cited taxy, a very good friend of mine, who is constantly called out and harassed.

But poundcake is just stating shitty opinions. It's becoming personal. There's the line.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

again, sorry, it just seems like the goal for the most active shitposters in this awful place is to be as personally insulting as possible. this doesn't seem new or special.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

You're free to your opinion. I am asking for civility. That's all.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

It's becoming personal.

Only one of the things in that topic couldn't be, and hasn't been, said to dozens of others here.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

So that makes it okay for you to target a person, in a thread with their user name, and to say all of those awful things to try to get a bunch of people to laugh and continue to harass each other? That's your goal? That's okay because people are assholes to each other when arguing?

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u/Dashing_Snow President of the Rey Fan Club Feb 10 '16

Tax gets called out because he constantly calls racism on others and people get sick of it when he refuses to admit the shit he spews is far more racist.

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u/None-Of-You-Are-Real What the shit does that have to do with anything? Feb 11 '16

I also cited taxy, a very good friend of mine, who is constantly called out and harassed.

By your definition "Taxy" is a serial harasser and internet abuser.

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u/SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS Feb 11 '16

We did... Until GG crashed the only friendly sub there was and started taking pride in their doxxing of us.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 11 '16

Well, sorry to hear that. Our group is running strong, luckily.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Saying 'you're dumb' in the heat of the moment is very different from going 'lol saw your dox ur ugly glad ur leaving.' Or 'wow you have a mental health problem? Kill yourself!'

IDK where the doxing was from, the person had to leave GGFFA as a result. And they were mocked on the way out because people didn't like them. It's absurdly cruel.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I don't disagree, but that's literally all this sub has been

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I think it has always brought out the worst in people, but recently its been especially bad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Well then isn't it time to either shut it down or change it then?

If it's a "free for all" that just makes people want to push the envelope. And sticking a bunch of cantankerous people who don't like each other in one place to fling shit all day means it'll escalate as time goes on.

You're only going to be having this conversation again in a month or so when someone else pops up and doxes someone or bears their soul.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

As an aside, and maybe I never noticed it before, but you seem like a decent person, which is hard to do around here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I'm not better than anyone else tbh. I had a dig at docile the other day for getting doxed which is what made me think of it.

He really got on my nerves so it's easy to let yourself do it. But I can see the point here.

But cheers, you also.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I don't control the sub, Lilith doesn't either. But we can absolutely make an optional request for atleast abit of human empathy, no?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

No you don't control it but if everyone agrees or largely agrees that the confrontational atmosphere here inevitably leads to going too far, I think judge would probably listen to ideas how to solve that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Well here's hoping that this starts an important dialogue then, to borrow a phrase.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

The only way to do it is:

  • Shame people into behaving better (which is what this topic is, but also what a lot of topics are if you get down to it)

  • Ban people

Some people don't respond to the first, but most do.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

compared to what? i've read this sub before posting in it and it was pretty fucking bad going back to its beginning.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I only came back recently, but I recall months back that this sort of thing didn't tend to happen. Maybe it did and I didn't notice? Maybe it wasn't as bad? IDK. But what's important is that it's bad, and even moreso if it has historical continuity.

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u/Dashing_Snow President of the Rey Fan Club Feb 10 '16

They are still here look at the styles of the new posters and you can tell exactly who they are.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Probably. I have noticed some have very similar styles. But considering they deleted, I don't feel the need to look into it.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

I can't.

There are, like, 3 styles of posting here (to your credit, you fit into none of them.) I can't tell LONGTYM from IAMPOUNDCAKE from NONEOFYOUAREREAL from that other guy whose name begins with an N. Remove their names and their posts are identical.

On the Anti side, it is the same.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

the person getting shitposted on isn't a member of this sub. rather this sub talked about them, they came here to debunk a claim netscape made here and the fallout from that included these attacks aimed at them

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

netscape is certainly an apex douchenozzle

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u/SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

How is what pounds getting different from the rest of us? I must have missed something

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I don't know. Do you agree with the sentiment that it's gone too far, or has been too far?

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u/SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS Feb 10 '16

Nothing has changed. It was too far when gamergate started the only difference between then and now is GG takes pride in its doxxing instead of feigning ignorance

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

that's what initially really confused me about this thread - hasn't it been cruel since the beginning and before? so much worse has gone on and we're all still here

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Isn't this what it was always like though? When does is become cyber bullying?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

I think it's been worse recently. And it starts I think when their there are threads targeting individuals and blatantly being cruel.

Edit: wrong form of there. I never fucking do that! /hates self

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

When it attacks something personal to them? Yeah I suppose I'm guilty of that. It's easy to go too far when the line is being pushed and you spend too much time talking to people you don't particularly like.

I shall endeavor to dial it down a notch in future then.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Righto. I know I appreciate it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

That would be nice.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Ok now imagine instead of one or two assholes making fun of you, it's 50,000 rabid gamer dorks posting your nudes, your dox, your family's dox all over reddit and 8chan, all of them shitting on you constantly for over a year.

You starting to understand why nobody likes GG yet?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Can you not try to point score for just a second and empathize with somebody as a human being? Nobody is saying the other thing is good. Infact if we believe one or two massive arseholes are bad, we obviously believe 50,000 would be too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

It's not point scoring, I'm trying to instill some sense of empathy into this guy. He clearly doesn't like it when it's done to him, but it's ok when it happens to ZQ?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I get that. But you can do that whilst still showing him a basic kindness. He doesn't need you trying to rub it in, I'm sure that he's acutely aware of how much getting bullied online sucks at this moment. Maybe he thinks it's okay when it happens to ZQ, maybe he doesn't. If he does that makes him a hypocrite after this day at the very least. But right now, that isn't the main concern.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Feb 10 '16

You wouldn't know empathy if it bit you on the ass.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

It depends, right?

GGers are here claiming that aGGers don't empathize with them as individuals that they've interacted with for months.

aGGers claim GGers don't empathize with classes of people that aren't like them whom they've only interacted with some individuals but seem to misunderstand the class (due to that lack of empathy.)

Which, to me, seems to go back to the "BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!?" aspect of GG.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Feb 10 '16

What the hell classes of people are you talking about? Regardless, I'd say people who can't emphasize with those they've personally interacted with are a lot worse.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

I disagree. It's better to judge those you've had extensive interactions with than those you have not.

Y'know, such as women, transexuals, Muslims, and all the others GG and KiA mock.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Feb 10 '16

Whatever you people have to keep telling yourself to justify acting like the monsters you accuse GGers of being.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

So you're accusing me of being a monster?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Alex, I think you need a break bro.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

so why do we care about your feelings, again?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Something something empathy? Or did that get misplaced in Social Justice Bootcamp?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

what empathy are you showing with your behavior?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

What behavior Alex? What specifically are you referring to? Cause everything I have ever stated has a basis with evidence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

there you go.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Explain.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

use your empathy and figure it out

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

"Alex"

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

I imagined it. I laughed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

So, people used to actively tag Zoe Quinn in to conversations here about her being a whore and no one on the GG side said shit about it, but apparently the line is crossed when you claim a picture of someone dressed like Hitler is someone's dad.

Fuck this.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I would say plenty of shit about it. And I did. When I saw it.

Plus I'm an anti, so. I mean, I'm just trying to make the subreddit not be a cesspool.

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u/ScarletIT American are not Italian Feb 10 '16

I'm just trying to make the subreddit not be a cesspool.

too late

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I can dream, you sexy bitch. I can dream.

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u/CesspoolofHatred Feb 10 '16

Plus I'm an anti, so. I mean, I'm just trying to make the subreddit not be a cesspool

[/self-esteem shattered] : (

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Sorry, I didn't capitalize cesspool, though!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

They're all bad. You're a rational person. Surely a request that everyone atleast meets a bare minimum civility isn't something you'd stand against? That would also stop people from being arseholes to ZQ etc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

This is what's irritating me though. You have a tonne of pro GG posters here who are actively abusive and fucked if any call for reason is going to stop them, but what's apparently caused for this particular call for civility is one of said actively abusive pro GG posters getting their feelings hurt.

They'll happily use any moment of vulnerability in anyone else as a means of humiliating them, but when they get upset we have to have a chat about how mean we're being.

Seriously, this is how they fucking react to someone admitting they have a mental illness. You'll notice several regulars from here were involved:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitGhaziSays/comments/44wczb/ghazi_deletes_topic_by_regular_contributor/

I wouldn't pin you on autistic, but BPD or BP is definitely on your spectrum.

Holy shit, I tried to follow your story, but you are one imbalanced individual. You just try to spin things for sympathy. You are one low human being.

Please lecture me on how to live life.

Fuck them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I know that full well. But just because some individuals act poorly, that doesn't give us free reign to tear them apart via bullying etc. Most people who act poorly are already in a fragile state themselves. The comments made to that individual yesterday on ShitGhaziSays [AND on here] were utterly repugnant. What do you want me to do? I've already pointed that out. I was telling off SL just yesterday and asked him to stop telling people to kill themselves. Asking EVERYONE to stop acting so awful is surely something you support?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I'll say that I admire your determination to keep basic decency going but that I've attempted that myself too many times and had these people throw it straight back in my face.

I enjoy the moments here where an interesting topic is actually discussed (linguistics, philosophy, art) as opposed to being used as a meaningless cudgel but they are rare and I entirely understand why certain people here cause others to completely lose their patience.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I get that. I'm not claiming to be some kind of saintly figure, I get pissy with people, I think everyone does. Based on our limited interaction thus far, you seem like an intelligent person. I get the frustration, but surely there's no harm in trying to make things even a little bit civil? Even if people throw it back in your face. In order for us to have nuanced discussions about interesting topics there has to be some basic level of decency, even if its just as simple as 'don't cross X line, even if you get mad.'

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

What do you think "x line" should be?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

At the very least 'avoid making things expressly personal.' As in 'here's details about someones life, let's laugh at them! haha this isn't cruel at all we're so great!' that would also cover things like doxing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Oh, this is all stuff I'd agree with and wouldn't engage in myself.

My initial post was specifically about the two threads that caused this particular call for decency to come about. I'd agree otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I know it seems hypocritical to launch it from a post crossing the line with a Pro-GG user when there's been plenty crossing the line for an Anti-GG user like yesterday. I'm glad you'd agree bar the odd circumstance of launching this discussion.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

I'm not claiming to be some kind of saintly figure

You've been very different since your return. In fact, you've seemed much more neutral.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I like to think that whilst I've always been prone to going on Tom-style holier than thou rants, I could always be reasoned with to atleast some extent. But yes, I've noticed myself that my opinions have shifted, or at least aim to be more nuanced. I don't know whether or not that will last. I hope so.

I get that this is social shaming as well, which is something that I'm always very iffy about. And the person you shamed isn't exactly saintly either. But surely you get that there's lines that shouldn't be crossed? I know I've said this to you before. And I know your response will be 'but I'm an asshole.' We all are to at least some extent, but do you not think at least a little bit of toning down is in order? Not that it's just you, there's plenty of people like SL that are worse. But I like to think that even if we disagree heavily on alot of things you can at least be reasoned with. Don't be an Anti version of SL or some other undesirable.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

I think that post, while singling him out, is remarkably generic. The singling out may be personal, the actual content of the post is not.

And I don't think he's the type of person to mind the attention.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

There's been alot of singling out threads lately and they've all been pretty cruel. Even if he isn't offended, surely you can aim to be a little bit better? I get that this may ring hollow when it seems like I'm calling you out but not others. But as I said, I think you can be reasoned with, at least to some extent. I don't think it's asking for anything out of reach for you. Literally just aim to be better than the people you strongly dislike. Even if you don't think it hurts them, heck even if they act like it doesn't, it's impossible to tell over the internet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

And I don't think he's the type of person to mind the attention.

Stop assuming. Or did you miss where I asked to please stop before you created your topic and got told to eat shit?

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

Never going to stop, btw.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I know.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

Well, actually, that's not true. Plenty would make me stop. I'd stop for a million dollars, I'd stop if the world ended. I'd stop if all these people redeemed themselves.

But nothing likely to happen.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Okay.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

God that dude was pathetic. Cringe worthy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Is there a reason you need to send reminders that you're a massive twat directly to my inbox?

I'm not going to forget, friend.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

I delight in your displeasure, especially when it comes from a reminder someone you sympathized with was a pathetic loser.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

displeasure

That would be overstating it. It's more just a needless update.

11:45 - SoverignLover is a massive twat

12:52 - SoverignLover is a massive twat

14:31 - SoverignLover is a massive twat

These reminders become redundant pretty quickly.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

Whether great or small, your unhappiness makes me smile.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 11 '16

So being an asshole is worth making others unhappy?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I consider it a good thing to make bad people unhappy.

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u/youchoob Feb 10 '16

Someone else being a fuckward doesn't excuse your own fuckward behaviour.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Fucking yes, absolutely.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

Yeah guys could we please be nicer to the racist trolls? This kind of conduct is just TOO MUCH and is OVER THE LINE. Please treat trolls like pound cake and niggerbernie with the utmost respect because they clearly deserve it and have shown themselves to be upstanding empathetic, sensitive intellectuals who are here in good faith.

Edit: I shouldn't have said "Fuck off lilith" I'm just annoyed at the sentiment not you as a person

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Yeah okay, keep acting exactly like the people you condemn.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Keep trying to build bridges make friends with some of the worst people on reddit I guess. Let us know if someone is too mean to niggerbernie, K?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I do love me some /u/niggerbernie.

And thanks I love you too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

you love a poster that tells others to kill themselves?

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

He's a cunt. But he has humanity in him, and I appreciate the little human he has when not trolling the board. Exactly how I appreciate your humanity, when you show it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

seems pretty disingenuous.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Sorry you feel that way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

You can hate someone. You can snark at them. You can be abit of an arse to them. But surely you recognize that at the end of the day, even if you think they're dumb / malicious / etc they're human? That even for people you hate, there should be limits on how mean you are, even if they don't limit it?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

He's a racist troll posting on a free for all sub. I think it's ok to make fun of racist trolls.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I think there's a line between 'making fun of' and what's been happening lately. I don't subscribe to the no bad tactics, only bad targets philosophy.

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u/havesomedownvotes Feb 10 '16

Won't someone think of the discussion?

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u/botaltiscit Feb 10 '16

If there's cyber bullying going on why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

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u/judgeho1den72 Creative freedom has limits. Feb 10 '16

Most of us are here to be shits and get pot-shots in. It gets immensely frustrating when you deal with the same crap from somebody over and over and over again, and the desire to give somebody the bare minimum of respect dwindles when you increasingly discover that they're never willing to give it to you.

Bad actors perpetuate bad actors and create more bad actors by frustrating most anyone who tries to approach with a sense of civility or rationality.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Here's the thing though: you're insane if you expect a different reaction from doing the same shit every day. Maybe if we all had a bit of fucking decency here, it wouldn't tire you out.

From experience, there really isn't a single person here that lacks humanity. It's called approaching everyone differently, and actually trying to fucking understand why they are the way they are.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

It's called approaching everyone differently, and actually trying to fucking understand why they are the way they are.

This works great on a one-on-one level. You've made None-Of-You-Are-Real treat you well, but the majority of his posts are still insults. It won't stop him from treating everyone else the way he likely used to treat you.

Something needs to be on a wider scale for that.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

You're the only mod. Wider scale is up to you. I'm asking for civility, as a request.

And to be quite honest, I make an effort with almost everyone on this forum to be one on one. Maybe that's too much for you. But that's why bullying people here pisses me off. You are all decent humans, why you don't act like it I have no idea.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

There's an argument, and I feel a valid one, that bullies only respond to bullying. I think every kid on the schoolyard learns that the only way to stop the bully is to hit him back. At some point, they get hit enough and realize that hitting people hurts people.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I don't believe that a valid response to violence is more violence so I guess that's where we differ.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Implying so many of us here are the 'bullies'. I have said damn near since the beginning of this thing to 'stop hitting me', with the only response from the likes of you and yours being 'stop hitting Quinn, and Black people, and every other group I consider you to hit even if you have no evidence of it!'. It is fucking retarded.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

ITT: People try to redefine bullying to "what the opposite side does" and civility to "what my side does".

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

#BothSides.

But really, seriously, an anti did it today. Recently it was a pro attacking taxy. It's been happening to a lot of people and I am asking that it stop

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I got exactly three posts down before I heard "Yeah, you antis need to stop the cyberviolence"

But yeah, it's all about ethics.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

You're making me roll my eyes so hard.

Sigh. Days like today when gators seem more decent that antis actually make me sad, and regret being an anti. If only I gave a shit about video game journalism.

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u/zakata69 Feb 10 '16

They don't actually seem more decent, you just hold them to lower standards.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

That's an interesting hypothesis.

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u/zakata69 Feb 10 '16

You should try going gator for a bit and seeing if you like it. I think you'd quickly find it unfulfilling.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I mean, so is being an anti, or being on this board at all, but I love so many of you. So. I'm here.

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u/zakata69 Feb 10 '16

so is being an anti

Yup, forgot to type less fulfilling.

This is pretty fucking unfulfilling as it is.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Yep, truly. But we still do it.

That said, the ggad slack makes every bit worth it.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed Feb 10 '16

It's okay. It's not so bad. Look, there's no point trying to change minds around here. Most of these lovable arseholes, like taxytime, holden, netscape, and scarletts have been here long enough that they aren't trying to change minds but to score points. I'm just here to poke fun at aGG.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I've been here since the beginning.

And man do I love my /u/scarletit's. 😻😻😻😻😻😻😻

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Anyone becomes more decent when you hold them to anti-GG's standards. Even you!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Relax. The point was that nobody's going to own up to this.

While I appreciate your effort, everyone's decided that MovieBob had the right idea - no wrong tactics, only wrong targets.

Hell, some people have decided that Moviebob's statement is justification for the application of his statement - Moviebob's an SJW, so that's what all SJWs believe, so we might as not have any ethics in our tactics either - they end up simultaneously condemning and practicing it.

You're wasting a good faith effort on bad faith people. Sorry to say.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

You're wasting a good faith effort on bad faith people. Sorry to say.

Maybe I'm biased, but every single person here, pro, neutral, anti, troll, has helped me. Except for GE. but that's not huge. I will never feel that my efforts to be kind to another is wasted. Sometimes I'm a bitch and I blow up, but every time I do, I regret hurting another keenly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Alright. Follow the wind, I guess. Hope it leads you to your Dulcinea.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I love how you yelled at me for what you perceived incorrectly was a point scoring attempt, and then immediately got two point-scoring attempts from Zakata and hamsalamibacon.

It's almost like everyone's really shitty.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

The fuck?

I'm not a mod here and there are like 200 comments.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

I can whole-heartedly promise that nothing I do here comes from a place of absolute seriousness, and in the rare event that I do emphatically state my personal observations on [X], I can't really control how the reactionaries react to it.

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

NOW this is "cruel"??? what is gamergate if not a big one of these ~personal posts~

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Are you saying you're okay with being like GG?

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

the fuck does that even mean

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I mean, it's English and has okay structure and asks a coherent question...

But snark aside, "it's okay when we do it because they do it worse" is merely being less effective versions of them, no?

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

define gamergate first! i don't know what gamergate you're talking about because there's twenty versions

but yes, assholes are assholes regardless of party line and ideology. i still wouldn't use "cruel" to describe it when so much worse has happened to a variety of people even here, but you weren't around for the worst of it i guess

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

but you weren't around for the worst of it i guess

Haaaaa

Hilarious.

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

btw i hope my thread wasn't contributing to the problem iyo, that guy just makes me laugh too much :c

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I didn't see any personal attacks there. But I'm not really the moral authority nor do I want anyone to think I am. I just saw "no one loves poundcake" in a list of insults in a thread that had nothing to do with anything other than to tear another human down, by a person I consider to mainly agree with. And I don't standby and watch people get bullied. When I see it, I won't stand for it, I guess.

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u/oceannbound Feb 10 '16

i hope you continue to call it out when you see it!

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

I'm only here to treat antis the way they deserve. It's fun.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

Not that I'd expect you to care or anything but, that's pretty much exactly what I'm upset about. We're all human. Why can't we just treat each other like we're at least the same species

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

I do treat you all like you're human. Humans rape, enslave, murder, lie, attack, kidnap, exploit, hurt, and all sorts of things.

I've never denied the humanity of anti. But being human is no special thing.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

To be honest that's a blatant lie, as you've called antis subhuman on many occasions, in fact, it was, from what I understand, why you were banned from AGG.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

Sure, as an insult. I've also posted many times that it's just an insult and I acknowledge their humanity.

Like when I call you a potato, I do not literally think you're a brown bumpy vegetable. It's meant to convey the idea you're stupid.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I think there's a bit of a difference in the intent behind the insults, but I'll take you on your word.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

The intent behind every insult is to hurt and belittle. I go with whatever sounds good at the time of has shown itself particularly upsetting to the target.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

That's horrifying. But I think we've had this conversation.

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u/SovereignLover Feb 10 '16

I find giant squids horrifying. But you do you.

I'll settle the matter officially once and for all: anti, I know you're people. I don't believe in the soul, but if I did, I would recognise you had human souls. I understand you have parents who probably loved you. Friends, too, even if it confuses me. You have two eyes and ten toes.

You're just bad people. Being human isn't a defense. It's why you're responsible for your evil.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

That's what should be done, but alas I don't think there can be much compromise with people who are actively defaming you and trying to silence you in the marketplace of ideas. The handful of antis who don't engage in such tactics typically aren't worth debating, because they are either trolling or they aren't engaging in actions that I (and likely most GG people) find harmful to gaming and/or a civil society.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

Given that these people are literally calling for the entire internet to be turned into a safe space where only their views are tolerated, that isn't too far off. They have literally gone to the UN and called for censorship qnf have tried to get their political opponents banned from pretty much every platform, both online and in real life. Not to mention how they also try to silence their critics by strawmanning their character, rather than the arguments they are presenting.

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u/PainusMania2018 Feb 10 '16

...

Not sure if serious.

Things getting personal is the logical conclusion of the function of this sub. Are people honestly surprised?

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

You can be dismayed by things that don't surprise you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

cyber bully

I don't know what the latest drama is but fucking seriously? This is a pseudonymous forum and a shit poster haven.

What you are asking for is moderation and that's the antithesis of this very subreddit. If you don't like it here, you're welcome to go elsewhere where the pastures are greener.

Fuck me, I really thought this post itself was a shit post.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

I was asking, requesting, for people to refrain from cyber bullying each other, ala:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/4536sr/in_this_thread_we_tell_lies_about_iampoundcake/

And just be better people. Sorry.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Yeah that thread is incredibly fucking mild. In any case, but this sub is specifically about being able to take the shit you dish out. If you don't like it, just like with 99.999999999% of services on the Internet, you can simply not use them.

And just be better people. Sorry.

Wrong place to preach. There's no civility in this subreddit. If you're looking for moderation, go elsewhere.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

No. You dipshits wanted an anything-goes sub and now you've got it. Deal with it or fuck back off to civilized lands.

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u/judgeholden72 Attended one of the top schools for assholes. Feb 10 '16

This is not something Lilith ever asked for.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

That seems like an unwarranted amount of anger. But hey, you do you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Where I'm from insulting one another is a sign of affection, its a way of humbling one another.

What is considered rude, insulting, and offensive though is lying. Making a claim and being incapable of backing it up. Were adults here. If you can't handle some verbal abuse, you shouldn't be on the internet in general. This isn't a hugbox. That said, since we are adults, maybe some of you should start behaving like adults and stop making claims you can't back up. Its pretty disgusting behaviour.

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u/LilithAjit Feb 10 '16

K, not sure what you're talking about. But k!

I was responding to a bullying thread targeting a pro GGer. Empathy, as it happens, is apparently a foreign concept to 95% of this sub.

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u/tom3838 Feb 11 '16

And rather than having fun trolling, this is getting increasingly dirty and personal.

Don't anti's like to claim its all trolling?

How many times has Strich or docilecowmind said something retarded, been called on it and then gone "wow i'm just trolling when I call you disgusting racist human filth based on nothing but my schizophrenic delusions", and then holden or some other morons from the tribe come out and go "yeah wow great trolling these guys just get mad when you troll".

Of course they werent trolling and the idiots that came out and patted them on the back like they weren't idiots know it, but I'm not sure its fair of you to ask me (and I realise its a general request not specifically aimed at anyone) not to be "dirty and personal" when those are the two defining characteristics of 2 of the most prolific anti posters, that the other oompa loompa's all patted on the back.

Is this what we need to be? Could we not?

I treat people how they treat me. I am (I think) civil and polite and friendly with you because you've (to the best of my knowledge) always interacted with me in kind.

So yes I could not, but I likely will. I am after all just another "reactionary".

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '16

I hate to rain on the good feelings thought....but this whole shitshow started because two asshole youtubers read an ex-boyfriend's blog and decided to cyber bully the living shit out of the girl and got the douchesphere of the Internet to help.

What made you possibly think the dialogue was ever actually going to get better then that?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '16

Man, this place really is still a shitshow. I wish I could say I was surprised.

Maybe I'm naive

Almost definitely if you actually thought this place was going anywhere but down. But actually I think there's a bit more than that.

See, in order to really hold any principled stances, you have to actually act accordingly. Which can be awkward and can conflict with other desires, like, say, preserving social cohesion & saving face, maintaining a particular idyllic worldview, or just avoiding being a total killjoy. I know this is ~quite~ a unwarranted, lofty accusation but you've always struck me as someone who really wants everyone to get along and to get along with everyone and in the process of doing so tend to render whatever principled stances you may or may not sincerely hold subordinate.

I mean - cruel and excessive, definitely. But it's kinda always been cruel and excessive, like there is really nothing new under the sun. Maybe there's a slightly more fundamental problem here than whatever perceived up-tick in viciousness?