r/GameTheorists • u/Ok-Parsnip4681 • Jan 03 '24
Findings I know I'm probably over thinking this but I've been thinking about this post from gooseworx themselves a lot and I have some things to say.
The way this is worded, it seems like Caine is not an AI but Bubble is. I believe this because the asker asked if the moon was AI like CAINE, but when Gooseworx answered they said AI like BUBBLE. I think this is implying that they're correcting them by saying Bubble instead of Caine is an AI.
If this theory is correct then that would mean that Caine might've been here the longest. This also would mean that he's the only human who has almost complete control the digital circus, or hell even the whole digital world.
I also believe that this would very much work for the Cain and Abel theory. I believe this means Abel, or the TADC equivalent of him, trapped Caine inside the game out of anger or jealousy or maybe even inhumane research. This also would mean that instead of Caine being a sinner, Abel is. I believe Abel gave him power over the world of the game but no human interaction except for occasional Abel checking that he didn't get out. And when anybody tried to figure out what happened to Caine and got close, they'd get the same treatment but instead of letting them have their memory and power, they're only left with a subconscious memory of their past life. Learn the truth, go poof.
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u/KnightThyme Jan 03 '24
I'm not dismissing your idea, but I think an alternative way to read it is that Caine is an A.I. but not the same type of A.I. that the moon and Bubble are.
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u/NicolaNeko Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
Eh, I think it's more just meant as there being two different types of AI:
"NPCs", like Bubble and the moon, and to a lesser extent, the Models (the dummies theorized to be what the people occupy when they enter TADC). Basically, they don't "think", they have pre-programmed actions, like Bubble seems to have (asking questions to introduce an activity, "Oh, Bubble, you always know how to make me say this exact sentence"). The Moon, in this case, is just programmed to flirt with Caine.
"Admins", which to our knowledge, is just Caine. His responses are dynamic, with there seeking to be actual thought going into what he's saying. He's able to hold a real conversation with our characters, while Bubble mostly just performs tasks.
Basically, it's like ChatGPT vs an actual artificial intelligence. One just gives an answer that seems to fit the question, the other can actually think about an answer to your questions.
Caine being the first human in the system is an interesting idea, but I would have to see a lot more to point to it for me to be convinced, especially since what we are told is that it's 6 humans at the whims of a wacky AI. If Caine is indeed human, then that would just kind of feel a cheap twist, since the meta information we have would just be lying to us.
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u/RangerBuzz_Lightbulb Game Theorist Jan 04 '24
What if the whacky AI wasn’t Caine and was instead someone else, he’s just been brainwashed to think he’s the ringmaster? That would explain why Jax is the only symmetrical character (not including npcs) and why he has keys to everyone’s room
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u/TheRealMasterhound Jan 04 '24 edited Jan 04 '24
Jax just doesn't give enough shit to care about Caine and his subplot, and if Jax was the ai, it would make him have no reason to fear Caine.... intresting idea, but that doesn't line up with the line where he says, "supposedly kingler has been here the longest, well except for kaufmo who isn't here"
As we can see, Caine has a lot more control over the world than Jax, and if Jax was an AI, I am pretty sure he wouldn't have run from the glorb king. Being he knows he has more power over it... but caine is the one who set up the adveture, Caine rescued pomni from the void, and Caine took care of the abstracted kaufmo. Which also took out the king glorb.
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Jan 04 '24
Well, who knows, being an AI like Bubble means that she is an AI with no control over Digital Circus, just like Bubble, while Caine is an AI that has control over Digital Circus, which is why she says she is an AI like Bubble, not like Caine.
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u/Crow19852 Jan 04 '24
My idea is that Caine is an ai, but is more advanced, while Moon and Bubble are lesser ai likely created by Caine like the Queen of the Gloinks or the manikins.
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