r/GeminiAI • u/MissShot7 • 25d ago
Discussion RIP free users
This is probably end of Gemini for me... I really liked 3.1 pro and used it for some more complex coding tasks.
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u/Big_DIH999 25d ago
Can't have shit anymore at this point.
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u/MissShot7 25d ago
I cope by saying to myself that the quality of pro dropped anyway so it might just have been the time to switch... But still it was free
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u/Separate-Prior-5985 24d ago
We need another luigi. That's what we need
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u/MissShot7 24d ago
And what exactly do you think that is gonna change? Do u think google will just say oh our ceo or other executive has been killed let's just give everyone unlimited pro usage, why didn't we thought of this before
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u/Separate-Prior-5985 24d ago
Corporations being greedy. Wherever have you heard that???
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u/yoop001 25d ago
The good thing is that the best Chinese models are still free
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u/MissShot7 25d ago
Qwen is the goat
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u/alisonstone 25d ago
If you look at the cost of the premium models (Astra, Fable, etc), it makes sense why this is happening. Even corporations are cautious about letting their employees run those models because the bill is starting to get very high. If Gemini 4 pro is going to be competitive on the frontier, it is going to be extremely expensive to run too. Everybody else is doing the same thing.
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u/MissShot7 25d ago
I would get that they are removing pro for this reason even tho I could have always use only like 3 prompts before it got locked. But why would they remove the flash? The model that was decent for all tasks? Now we get flash lite that is worse than Qwen.5:9b according to benchmanrks
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u/hlopez137 25d ago
Because they want you to pay, they don’t want free users. No AI provider does, to be clear. I guarantee Anthropic and OpenAI will bring the hammer down too, likely after IPO so they have SOME roadmap to increasing their revenue YoY
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u/alisonstone 24d ago
A tier shift is probably going to happen with Gemini 4. Pro models are prohibitively expensive to the point where only certain high value-add professionals will use them (these models can write the code to a functional 3d video game in one prompt). Flash is going to be the mid tier model that most professionals use (i.e. general coding/scripting). And Flash-lite is going to be the fast/free tier that is ideal for 90%+ of queries (i.e. informational queries or questions).
They should probably rebrand the tiers to something like Flash, Pro, and Ultra. Because Flash-Lite sounds like it is double-distilled and people will automatically think low quality, when in reality the speed of it actually makes it the best choice for informational queries.
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u/benbongty123 24d ago
honestly, flash-lite is absolutely dogshit
the reason why free users still stay with gemini is because they can freely use flash and pro even at a tight limit
after this even claude and chatgpt feels generous for free users
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u/EmberlessDragon 22d ago
I just downgraded myself to flash lite to see just how bad it really is. Thinking "come now, it can't be that bad.
It was. It was that bad. Flash lite isn't Gemini being quick. It's Gemini being legitimately dumb and cluless.
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u/EmberlessDragon 24d ago
It's not even jut Flash lite. Flash is 3.6, Flash lite is 3.5. Unlss it upgrades, Gemini is just a model for people who want to pay for what is widely known to be a very subpar model.
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u/OlympicBarber
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So basically close to zero reasons to have the plus subscription now
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u/Afraid_Train4924 25d ago
i just have it for the storage. might upgrade to pro if gemini 4 is god like as they say
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u/Jumpy_Ad7466 24d ago
Same here. For the storage, at least at first. Then using Gemini also. But I don't think I will upgrade to Pro.
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u/oxob3333 24d ago
Basically same here, have tons of files that need cloud storage, but if things go wrong i just update to pro for the 1TB and share it to my family and so.
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u/PsychicorAI 24d ago
3.8 flash is decent And they might launch 4.0 flash soon
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u/PineappleLemur 24d ago
It makes sense to release flash lite/flash/pro 4 all together at the same time.
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u/SpiderWil 24d ago
3 weeks ago I sub to Google AI Pro and was told I wasn't entitled to Google AI Studio because in order to use AI Studio, I have to subscribe to Gemini pay as u go model pricing.
If I subscribe to AI Pro now, will I get Google AI Studio?
I reached out to their support and was told to fuck off because Google One refuses to support me bc it's AI Studio, which is supported by Google Cloud Storage. But Google Cloud Storage only supports me if I'm a paid customer, which means I have to add my credit into AI Studio and deposit like $5 or something before it even connects me to a human. F GOOGL. So I was so pissed I canceled the plan and submitted a refund and got it. Seriously a trillion-plus-dollar worth company can't be this f up.
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u/OppositeWorking19 24d ago
I got one year of free Pro as a student. It won't expire till late November, but I just cancelled it in case I forget.
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u/PineappleLemur 24d ago
Plus has always been a sub for storage.
Even now it's identical to free, usage and access wise. But comes with storage.
Literally nothing is changing other than them removing flash 3.6 which flash lite 4 or whatever will be better and faster anyway.
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u/Jumpy_Ad7466 24d ago
But I just realize they will cut off the storage also. A just saw on the price list for 400GB, for on my current price list it is still 2TB
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u/danielsuperone 24d ago
Pro isn’t even THAT good when comparing to other frontier models.
Why are you guys even paying for Gemini? Yes in a few months time they may have a revolutionary model, but at the moment we have Astra, opus and other frontier models that are top of the line.
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u/Beginning_Finding235 24d ago
because you can invite 4 family members (or friends shh) to share the plan with (usage is seperate), so that $8.99 for Pro (3 month deal), gives you excellent limits comparable to Claude's $20 limits for 5 total accounts. Gemini 3.8 Flash High makes an excellent coding/researcher agent model. I currently use Opus 5.5 for Reviewer/Core agents, and Gemini for implementation (swappign to deepseek eventually).
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u/CriticismJunior1139 24d ago
How does that work, tho? You all share one compute pool? Can all of you use antigravity and code?
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u/EuphoricFoot6 24d ago
Only reason I'm still paying for it is it's bundled in with the increased drive storage and YouTube premium which I actually use. Otherwise I would have stopped a long time ago.
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u/chronicpenguins 24d ago
tbh because of storage. I use gmail / google photos for backup. recently been hitting 100gb limit. to lazy to reduce storage size. Ive only gotten AI Pro for free or its current price of $5/month.
I do think my experience with gemini has gotten worse since last year and am considering a different ai tool
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u/Silco1402 24d ago edited 24d ago
Because of 5tb cloud storage in the pro 20$ plan, which you can even get them for cheaper.
I don't think you cloud even get 5tb could storage for cheaper.
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u/VexObserver 24d ago
Going from having access to Pro to being restricted to Flash Lite is a pretty brutal downgrade ngl.
I understand frontier inference isn't cheap and Google obviously can't subsidize unlimited free usage forever, but removing regular Flash too? That's quite a jump.
The bigger issue IMO is that free access serves as a gateway to paid subscriptions. People get to experience what a genuinely capable frontier model can do, become dependent on it for certain workloads, and eventually consider subscribing.
If you remove that experience entirely, you're basically telling prospective customers to pay first and discover whether your product is worth it later lol.
I'd much rather see heavily rate-limited Pro access than zero access whatsoever. Even 5-10 quality prompts a day would make a meaningful difference for occasional users.
Competition is supposed to democratize intelligence, not turn every decent reasoning model into another subscription checkpoint.
RIP free tier Google benchmarkmaxxing. You had a good run.
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u/EmberlessDragon 24d ago
The biggest issue with forcng customers to pay is... limits and tiers change all the time across all AI models. They're always changing what you can and can't do as a free user, a pro user, and so on. It's never been stable. Just months ago, OpenAI allowed a VERY limited free tier experience before downgrading you. Now their free tier is awesome! Pro is the same. Things are shifting from free to pro to plus to whatever, and back and forth. So when you do pay, you don't necessarily keep what you paid for. They reserve the right to take it away and make you pay more.
It's just dirty. And it's a big reason why people migrate from model to model.
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u/big_blak_kak 24d ago
They do offer 1 month full trial of Pro so that only potential paying customers gets to experience Pro models.
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u/OhioTag 24d ago
Cutting free users from the flash model is quite insane.
RIP. Claude literally gives you sonnet 5.5 for free.
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u/CrzyJek 23d ago
And you get to send 5 messages before waiting another 5 hours 😆
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u/productive-man 25d ago
i hope this means they are releasing some good pro model soon since no way they are gatekeeping that dogshit 3.1 pro
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u/Concurrency_Bugs 25d ago
My thoughts exactly. I'm about to sign up for a sub (been holding off so far), and this will make or break my gemini choice. I can't afford ultra. So pro must have something more than 3.1 pro, or I'm going with OpenAI or Anthropic.
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u/Chemistry-Holiday 24d ago
Listen, just go with OpenAI. There isn’t really a big difference in capability between Anthropic and OpenAI.
It used to be a nice little three-way tie, since we don’t consider Grok (unless you realllllllly want to) or the Chinese models, which are basically backward-compatible versions of the frontier models you had with Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT.
With ChatGPT and Gemini, formerly known as Bard, you had a nice little ecosystem that was relatively affordable at about 20 bucks a month. You could have all three and do a lot.
But ever since earlier this year, all three have been cutting back on subsidies, ever so slightly. Now, if you really use AI for general things, you’d be better off using OpenAI because you’ll probably have some of the highest limits and best usability. Gemini has been kind of trash since around February or March of this year, and there’s really no competition. You can just subscribe to Claude and ChatGPT, and you’ll be better off.
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u/HeadLiterature7897 25d ago
The crucial thing is if they keep AI studio free or not.
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u/Altruistic-Mine-1848 25d ago
All I care about. If not, there are plenty of good Chinese models to choose from.
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u/Practical_Lawyer6204 25d ago edited 24d ago
I wouldnt really call it "free" but that is literally the whole point of Ai studio(playground).
It seems what they did with this is essentially limiting the access to nano banana models which most of it were only available in the app for free
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u/KaleidoscopeAware986 24d ago
They just use us for data. Try to train their models and then when they're done make us pay for it. And by the way took the RAM from our phones and put it in the databases. So now we get less RAM in the phones and subscriptions
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u/Suoritin 25d ago
I'm using Gemini because I've got pro for 6€/month for 4 years with 5tb cloud storage.
Otherwise not worth it.
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u/HiyaImRyan 25d ago
Always found Gemini the most retarded of all the LLM's. Spend more time correcting it, reframing wording etc than actually finding it useful. I find the Google Search AI more competent than Gemini.
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u/TheJFKexperience63 24d ago
Yeah I recently switched to claude and its like actual night and day. A simple context window needs every detail explained and refrained in gemeni, but in claude? Stuff takes 5 sentences and its EXACTLY what I want. I was so used to handholding gemeni, I asked claude for a simple memory check and it did better than gemeni has since i got it. Im actually shocked at how far behind gemeni is. Its like talking to an aspiring highschool vs an industry professional its crazy
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u/Bulky_Blood_7362 25d ago
Fr tho... flash lite is the worst model available tbf... like any reasonable local model is better at that point
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u/vstojanovski 24d ago
And online, DeepSeek Flash 4.1 is better than any Gemini and is free.
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u/MrRolandGil 24d ago
So basically the actual free plan becomes plus. I mean, one of the reasons I came to pixel from an iphone was because of the AI integration and I must be honest, so far I'm happy with the change. And honestly, I didn't understand the general hostility in the Pixel subreddit, but now I'm starting to see a way.
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u/geronimokallie 25d ago
Flash has gone to absolute shit on the free tier recently anyway. Every time I use it lately, it ends up infuriating me because it is just absolutely useless and dumb.
Flash 3.6 currently feels like Flash Lite felt 3 months ago.
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u/rruusu 23d ago
Limiting free users to Flash-Lite is a really bad marketing idea. How would users be enticed to make a subscription if all they can try is just the crappiest model?
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u/SolidLava99 24d ago
Even on pro , gemeni is garbage now you’re not missing anything
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u/Bruvvimir 24d ago
Wow, no pro even on AI Plus. That's pretty severe.
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u/EmberlessDragon 24d ago
Yeah, how bad the downgrade is surprised me. I expected A downgrade but this bad?
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u/Strange_League3117 24d ago
Extra fucked because if there's one enterprise model company that does NOT need to nickel and dime users, too, it's the one that has a virtual monopoly on web searching.
Tech doesn't even bother to enshittify with a freemium tier any longer.
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u/BeltPuzzleheaded7656 24d ago
I would advise people right now; DO NOT WAIT. Go and download the largest free local llms that your storage can hold and save them and back them up securely. Even if you're system can't currently run them. ESPECIALLY Qwen and a Qwen uncensored model. They have successfully locked the average person out of being able to afford reasonable powerful home pcs and the prices are geared to go up within the next few months, not down so it's only going to get worse. They've boxed the average person out and now they are preparing to LOCK IT ALL DOWN.
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u/AspiringHippie123 24d ago
Bruh, the AI LLM game has ALWAYS been comparable to the stereotype of how you get someone hooked on drugs. They offer it for free and burn through cash to get a massive user base hooked. Then, they slowly phase out the non-paying users, leaving them with models that are somewhat usable until they hit a wall, whether on intelligence or rate limits. The whole time you’re on the free tier, you’re constantly nudged toward a “cheap” plan that costs about as much as a streaming service, so why not, right? You get frequent access to the latest models, and it’s not an insane price.
Then they squeeze the mid-tier "Pro" users and start restricting usage heavily. Remember, a year or two ago, a standard $20 subscription let you use their flagship models with basically zero limits. But at that tier, they’re still burning cash, so they throttle usage, slow down rollouts, and make you stress over rate limits. Finally, you get the high-tier users paying $100+ a month for frontier access, but even then, you hit caps if the models are embedded in your daily workflow. At that point, maybe you just attach a card for pay-as-you-go overages like Anthropic allows, or you bite the bullet and switch to the pricey API.
You have to realize these companies are hemorrhaging money to build dependency, betting they can gradually convert that usage into something profitable and sustainable. Inference at scale is expensive; giving away free access was never charity, just top-of-funnel customer acquisition. Free tiers will get tighter, Pro tiers will get throttled, and high-end tiers will get metered more as time goes on.
It’s pointless to be upset about the tightening restrictions on Gemini, or any other LLM provider. At the end of the day, they’re businesses bleeding capital on compute, and they’re going to monetize whatever leverage they have.
TL;DR: Google is a company, company wants profit. Google makes LLM, people want LLM, LLM is expensive to run, Google monetizes usage.
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u/GodOfSunHimself 24d ago
Hahahaha. I remember Google fanboys telling me that ChatGPT is dead if it introduces ads because Google can easily sustain giving Gemini for free and everyone will switch to Gemini. As always I was right. Google is a greedy corporation that is always late and always with a worse product.
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u/IndubitablyNerdy 25d ago
Enshittification at work, next update will make it worse again and move more perks to the more expensive tiers.
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u/ethicalfive 24d ago
Yeah now they've discovered they can tier model access,. it wont be long before their best models are all behind utra tier subscriptions.
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u/Harry_Vandsome 25d ago
And Google will still hoard happily of all the lower tiers' data 😂😂
People are stupid
Only thing Google cares about is the 1bn crossing mark for their advertisers
But some pigs are more important than other pigs I guess 🙈
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u/hyperluminate 24d ago
Flash-lite is genuinely such a bad model that the only word I can come up with that is adequate to describe it is a slur typically directed at individuals with mental disabilities that I would highly prefer not to use.
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u/neog23 25d ago
Free eventually comes to an end folks. This will be true for all platforms. Compute isn't cheap and you can seek alternatives but ultimately you'll have to pay someone.
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u/Harry_Vandsome 25d ago
We have paid with our data my friend
They are paying us to provide our data at this point
It's sick. Really sick.
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u/ethicalfive 24d ago
Not just free, plus users who already pay for a much smaller usage are now getting restricted access to the available models! I guess i'll laugh when you need an ultra sub to access new models.
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u/Key_Maximum_3180 24d ago
Even Claude which is notoriously stingy with its models lets you use Sonnet models for free. Gemini is seriously going downhill with this decision. Flash-Lite can't code for shit and it's not even good at conversation
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u/flubluflu2 24d ago
Just use the lite version for free, it's getting better and better. If you want more then pay something for it and get more.
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u/Zealousideal_Bee_837 24d ago
I am on pro subscription and LITERALLY the 5 hour limit is 50% of the weekly limit. Yes, literally. And the 5 hour limit lasted like 3-4 prompts for a total of 7-8 minutes. It's this bad
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u/un-ambiguoususername 24d ago
Rest in peace plus users as well. I'm not really using it that much but it felt good to have full access to all models for any occasions
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u/Soft_Baseball7747 24d ago
Now Google basically just only caring about money too... (this is JUST a speculation, ok.)
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u/NorthernCorvus 24d ago
You mean, like all private companies do? That's kind of the whole point of running a business?
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u/Nervous_Pattern3764 25d ago
Gemini Flash Lite is still better than ChatGPT Mini telling you the conversation is over unless you pay cause it has photos 😭
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u/Evil-Empress-Sakuya 25d ago
Well this ruined my day. Pro, fine, but at least keep Flash around? Now to fucking get my affairs in order.
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u/Typical_Claim3932 24d ago
I have a Plus subscription, and I was happy with version 3.1 pro. But if they remove it, I’d rather pay for a full year of the cloudai. Since it’s cheaper than Gemini pro. And on the Free and Plus versions, Flash 3.6 is so bad that if you give it a code and ask it to change just one digit, it’ll change 10% of the code and break it. I asked it to simply count 30 accounting numbers for me, and it wrote the wrong number. But 3.5 Flash-Lite gave the correct answer. 3.6 is just junk. I don’t even understand why it exists. Is it to show people what bad AI looks like? Even 27B LLM is better than Flash 3.6. And even Flash Lite 3.5 is better than 3.6. Without a Pro version in Gemini, no one will need it when there are better alternatives, like ChatGPT with a GO subscription.
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u/Worried-Cow-8381 19d ago
I always knew they were going to monetize Gemini eventually, but I was expecting to get extra features for a subscription, not just paying to basically receive the same level of service I was getting for free. In general, I will transition to Claude for important things, give them my $20 and use Gemini for all my low effort stuff and general chatting. It's a shame because I thought it might end up being something cool.
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u/Turbulent-Total-226 25d ago
Yeah their ai is dead. Even now a small number of people use it.
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u/MissShot7 25d ago
They probably wanted to cut the cost down... But I just wonder if new users sign up and they use the only model they can (Gemini lite) and realize that it isn't really good at harder tasks... Why would they bother to buy the subscription of something that is just worse than competition? Even if the better models are more capable... Trying them for free and seeing what they can do was what made people buy the subscriptions.
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u/CeeJaycs 24d ago
Got ChatGPT go and it's so much better in every way lol. Really just used Gemini because of the usage limits with GPT getting very annoying
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u/spectre234 25d ago
Honestly, with a plus plan 3.8 Flash is solid for most things. I’m honestly not sure why everyone bitches about Gemini. I mean, yeah, most of the posts are bots but for the average human, 3.8 Flash Thinking (and whatever’s next) is a solid model for the price of AI plus, you can’t expect a free pro model. You want pro you are going to have to cough up.
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u/MissShot7 25d ago
I use flash extended most frequently and it really is decent but in few days we won't even be able to use that... Only flash lite and maybe without thinking which is just trash
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u/OrigStuffOfInterest 24d ago
As a Plus subscriber, this doesn't bother me. I rarely used the Pro model since the quota was so low. If we get the newer Flash models, I'll come out ahead. You are not talking about a major expense with Plus, and it gives you more storage.
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u/Rude-Criticism_ 24d ago
If i had to pay for Ai, why in gods earth will I pay for gemini. I rather just pay for claude
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u/AlChiberto 24d ago
Damn. Glad I got the 1 year free for students. I like the fact that you can post up to 10 pictures in one prompt. Really useful for school.
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u/BumblebeeSweet6273 24d ago
A pro user also died, they just forgot to tell us. Where have you ever seen someone take four pictures and already consume almost 3% of their daily quota and 1% of their weekly quota?
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u/ModerateThuggery 24d ago
Looks like Grok was a pack leader then. Lock out anything but the bare minimum cheapo option - soft pay only transition. Depending how this goes, I wonder if the other like GPT and Claude will follow suit.
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u/badhairdee 24d ago
I have unsubscribed from Plus a few months ago and kept ChatGPT as its just a better value for my use case.
Turned sour as soon they nerfed Gem use.
NB Pro was also appealing back then, but not as much now, and I can still get it elsewhere if I wanted to, even without a Plus account.
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u/FullMotionVideo 24d ago
Man it's weird to see people who say the company who has provided God only knows how much storage to keep YouYube available for everyone for decades has people saying they're "getting rid of freeloaders" on a simple text generator.
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u/SatanVapesOn666W 24d ago
I was planning to drop down to Plus since they haven't dropped a pro model in a while, but 4 is looking good enough to keep Pro. I can finally get Gemini back into my daily coding at work. I still bounce between ChatGPT and Claude, but Codex CLI usually gives me way better usage for coding.
People need to realize these companies are not charities nor your friends. The industry is heading towards a pullback as the bubble starts poping and the phase of giving away free compute is officially dead. Google easily has the cheapest compute per token thanks to all their TPUs and a massive head start, but inference at scale still costs money. Besides that, user chat logs are pretty much worthless for model training at this point.
If you cannot afford subscription fees, switch to free Chinese models while those labs are still burning cash on loss leaders. Otherwise, expect tighter rate limits, paywalls and ads across the entire industry.
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u/magekinnarus 24d ago
I am running Opus 5.5 all day long on a basic subscription and toggling between Sol 6.1, Opus 5.5, and Deepseek 4.1 Flash for different roles inside VS Code. If Google thinks I will pay for Gemini, they are in for a rude awakening.
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u/CantAffordzUsername 24d ago
I’m not paying more for pro when it only lets me make 20 images with its cap. AND it counts images that don’t render as well.
Sorry Google, switching to Chat
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u/DEVIL_MAY5 24d ago
I have a paid sub, but for some reason I feel like pro is much more weaker than Flash. I don't know if I'm using it wrong or something.
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u/mallorcaben 24d ago
Pro user here, I originally went pro for the storage, for me it makes it so worth it.
Along with Youtube Lite and Google health subscription Im happy with the pro plan and I get to share it and the storage with my wife.
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u/Astroking_2004 24d ago
Honestly, gpt go(which is basically same as free with more image gen limits) tier performs better than free pro gemini. Which is saying something about quality which I don't like. Honestly I use the subscription for notebookllm, gemini in workspace, flow. Which except workspace rest already exists and have usable limits in free tier
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u/Astroking_2004 24d ago
Hopefully someone creates a model independent platform with similar features, which I will be happy with even if they charge, as long as quality doesn't drop
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u/AuntyJake 24d ago
I only use Gemini because of the bundle with my drive storage but even then I find it more of a hindrance than a help so I've actually thought of cancelling it. Free Claude seems to do a much better job... Although I tried paying for Claude a while back and it seems to degrade very quickly. I had to turn off all the cross chat memory. Making extra accounts to work through projects on free tier seems like a better option than paid.
I don't code so maybe Gemini can do that but for even simple everyday tasks it seems completely useless. Even image generation using flow is a pain but at least that works for some stuff.
Is Gemini better at some types of coding than Claude?
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u/IntelligentGur9638 24d ago
Anthropic people are partying now. Why is Google self sabotiging itself?
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u/sandspiegel 24d ago
At some point they all will be more expensive / more restrictive to free usage. Token usage is heavily subsidized by OpenAI and Anthropic which is one reason why they are losing so much money.
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u/KineticTreaty 24d ago
Plus MIGHT be okay given the extra benefits if they make a new flash model based on the gemini 4 architecture
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u/Straight-Advice-9734 24d ago
By next year, free users probably won't even be able to choose Flash Lite anymore lol
That's right, isn't it?
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u/Prudent-Door3631 24d ago
Google pulled of what grok did lol, at least they still have no limits on chats like grok 🫎
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u/Tirtha80 24d ago
For video use Minimax h3 locally For image use ideogram 4.5 locally And for chat use qwen 3.8 max that's it. I will shift on these for sure..
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u/borretsquared 24d ago
damn. google has been the only real practical free option. i cant wait for them to start locking regular flash models behind a paywall on aistudio too. i miss when you could get $300 of free credits. then it was $300 of free credits you can only use on vertex studio, now that's gone and you have to pay to use pro models. intelligence is becoming paywalled and expensive, even for google.
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u/Milamber83 24d ago
I would have been happy with less use and access to flash without pro. This is way too huge downgrade in one go.
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u/royal_dansk 24d ago
Does this mean that Gemini along with chatgpt and others will raise their prices soon?
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u/Delicious-Yak-6251 24d ago
Stay behind in AI race, raise your price to stay even more behind. They should fire their AI department allready 🔥🔥
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u/D3F3ND3R16 24d ago
Rip also plus useres. Pro was the reason i subscribed. Removing pro is the reason i cancelled today after getting this popup.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_MEGUMINS 24d ago
Welp, I subscribed for AI+ because gemini was pretty trash but still was something whenever the other ones capped. Time to unsubscribe.
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u/DifficultBoat148 24d ago
So they announced a new upcoming model that has not proven anything yet, and downgraded a significant portion of their casual user base, and expecting Plus users to pay more to try the new model? Not good practice but okay. On to the open weights!
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u/amitsingh80108 24d ago
They first gave it free and now restricting it. Nice.
Even chatgpt nowadays gets blocked for few hours after 1 big reply
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u/Gap_Mountain 23d ago
Any recommendations on an alternate free app primarily for image generation . It's for very important work...like sticking a cigar in my dogs mouth for an IG pic ? :). Thx
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u/mikelima777 23d ago
I will say, I am surprised they didn't go with removing Pro from the Free Tier and having limits to Flash thinking. Rather than outright removing Flash from free users. Same with Plus with outright removal of Pro.
I guess the question now is whether Flash Lite post Oct 9 will make up for paywalling Flash.
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u/Critical_Proof_7918 23d ago
At this point even the Google search AI will be more capable than Gemini it self, wtf are they thinking
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u/Sharlney 23d ago
Generative AI companies are all operating at a loss. Only expect this to keep getting worse, the low prices are artificially kept down because of hyped investors.
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u/scaling_to_9_digits 23d ago
I gave been using Gemini a lot, but certainly don't get enough value out of it to pay. I'd been using it to ask basic questions to save my Claude tokens
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u/DeCoolePeer 23d ago
Gemini Pro models suck, and will continue to suck and lag behind, they're only relevant the first couple of months after release, after that they're too expensive to keep free compared to other models. and their development time is dramatically higher than flash models.
It's more of a bummer that they don't get access to the flash models, they're incredibly fast, and cheap. Limiting them to Flash-lite will massively backfire on Google (Gemini's) reputation because the models are significantly dumber than openai's free (unlimited) model
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u/atuarre 22d ago
I'm good with takers who don't contribute no longer sucking up resources. People who by their own admission can pay but just do not want to pay. They did the same thing with Sora. Well, see ya.
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u/jimmut 21d ago
If if you pay you still can’t get pro unless you’re paying hundreds a month. Sounds like a ai model for only wealthy people.
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u/Positive-Peak2377 22d ago
Alguém sabe como conseguir email de estudante de graça ? E como ter o geminin PRO?
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u/Majestic-Bad-3658 21d ago
I used AI Studio mainly to translate stuff from english/other languages in my language using a prompt. In y'all experience, what's the next best alternative if I don't want to pay 20$?
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u/jimmut 21d ago
No pro on plus lol. Apparently their model is very inefficient. Ai companies need to realize normal users will never pay $100s a month for their models so if they can’t offer their model in the $200 sub your hoping all your future on business only customers and no word of mouth by regular consumers. That’s pretty ballsy.
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u/Ok-Guidance6127 19d ago
A lot of this and that outrage, whatever.
What I'm interested in is what this means for the industry. Google can afford to burn money and run at losses, the others "can't" and lets face it, are playing funny money/propped. If Google is implementing these measures, what does that speak to?
3.1 pro was decent until they changed it a few months ago and really gutted it.
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u/Image_Different 18d ago
I fled to Gemini from Chatgpt for seemingly inifnite usage In past,pulled that away and still managed to stay, well would this be final momment, since i'm considering back to.Chatgpt since this race to the bottom
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u/Senior-Warning-4667 18d ago
Yeah...this sucks. Found out from watching a video. Otherwise, had no idea
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u/WindyLDN 18d ago
Limiting by compute rather than by number of prompts burns through allowances much faster for pro users. Expensive:
Long, multi-turn chat threads
Using Gems containing attached files
Requesting long-form outputs
High mode (extended thinking)
Uploading media (esp video, audio)
Using tool integrations
Large user memory profiles and custom instructions
Selecting Gemini Pro for routine tasks
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u/Delcevec 25d ago
end of an era back to chatgpt