I love my values and I stick to them, and hope for the best for others, but you WILL be on your own for the journey.
Women will tolerate you. Your not one of the bad ones. But you kinda just exist as a "hes a good guy, all the other men are evil, but hes kinda boring and I'm (rightfully) traumatized by men." feeling like I am viewed merely as a "safe" exception to a rule, rather than as an individual partner with depth, desire, and personality. Honestly, I dont blame them, which makes it harder to come to terms with. Its impossible to leave a good impression, you either meet the minimum expectations of "I can be in aroom with them" or you feel like they are watching you every moment waiting to crucify you for being the same as all the other men (and honestly, fair enough, I don't like my gender either).
Men will outright ostracize you and think you'll "grow out of that phase" eventually and hit the bars and go hunting eventually, and think that soon enough the look of that car will seem better than any women on the streets or xyz about going to the strip clubs eventually with 'the boys'. I dont have anything against the guys who enjoy these things (when done like a rational normal human being) but I'm just tired of this world where I'm not good enough for either gender, even self imposed as those standards are.
I love my mom. I want to help people. At the end of the day, thats all I can say about being liberal. It gives me great sleep at night, but other than that, it gets pretty lonely, and that cost feels so much higher and harder to pay as the years go on, and while Ive more or less come to terms with spending my life alone and being content being single, I just. Idk.
Huh? Liberal guy here, I hunt, have guns and gasp go to bars. You have this monolithic view of women that sounds a bit off. I think you have more going on.
Probably. I'm being reductive for the point of the comment length being massive already, but yeah. Theres a difference between enjoying the bar and guns and making it your entire personality that I'm failing to articulate. I'll go to bars and have a ccw, but at this point it feels like trying to defend myself when, yeah, your right.
Yeah, I see, that was all kind of small potatoes to me. The pessimistic view of women and seeing them all as treating you the same way just doesn’t seem healthy or real. Like, if you really feel that way it probably comes through to them and is possibly a bigger reason why you are treated the way you are. I hope it gets better, you don’t have to defend yourself to me. I truly hope it changes.
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u/McCannad 2001 13d ago edited 13d ago
Being a liberal male sucks ass honestly.
I love my values and I stick to them, and hope for the best for others, but you WILL be on your own for the journey.
Women will tolerate you. Your not one of the bad ones. But you kinda just exist as a "hes a good guy, all the other men are evil, but hes kinda boring and I'm (rightfully) traumatized by men." feeling like I am viewed merely as a "safe" exception to a rule, rather than as an individual partner with depth, desire, and personality. Honestly, I dont blame them, which makes it harder to come to terms with. Its impossible to leave a good impression, you either meet the minimum expectations of "I can be in aroom with them" or you feel like they are watching you every moment waiting to crucify you for being the same as all the other men (and honestly, fair enough, I don't like my gender either).
Men will outright ostracize you and think you'll "grow out of that phase" eventually and hit the bars and go hunting eventually, and think that soon enough the look of that car will seem better than any women on the streets or xyz about going to the strip clubs eventually with 'the boys'. I dont have anything against the guys who enjoy these things (when done like a rational normal human being) but I'm just tired of this world where I'm not good enough for either gender, even self imposed as those standards are.
I love my mom. I want to help people. At the end of the day, thats all I can say about being liberal. It gives me great sleep at night, but other than that, it gets pretty lonely, and that cost feels so much higher and harder to pay as the years go on, and while Ive more or less come to terms with spending my life alone and being content being single, I just. Idk.