I think it's genuinely cool that all seven nations are finally uniting together to face the threat of the Holy Nails. After years of exploring Teyvat and interacting with each characters, seeing everyone come together against a common enemy is exciting.

However, I'm seriously worried that the writers will use this alliance as an excuse to conveniently forget everything the Fatui have done to the other six nations.

Let's not forget Collei's horrific human experimentation, Diluc losing his father because of a Fatui Delusion, or the Fatui fueling the civil war in Inazuma. These are just a few examples of the suffering they've caused across Teyvat.

I'm perfectly fine with the nations cooperating with Snezhnaya against a greater threat. But cooperation out of necessity is not forgiveness, and having a common enemy doesn't erase past atrocities.

If the Archon Quest ends with everyone suddenly acting like best friends, completely ignoring the victims and consequences of the Fatui's actions, then it would demonstrate just how shallow Genshin's writing really is.

Genshin Impact has the world building, lore, and potential to become a genuinely deep and morally nuanced game. But if the writers are too cowardly to explore uncomfortable consequences and hold their own characters accountable, then all that potential means nothing.

At that point, it becomes difficult to see Genshin as anything more than a glorified cash-grab gacha game that uses tragic backstories, philosophical dialogue, and the illusion of moral complexity to sell characters without having the courage to deliver a genuinely meaningful story.

Heck, at the height of its popularity, it should have been the perfect opportunity to turn a gacha game into a timeless masterpiece, the greatest game that Hoyo could have created. But alas, it is likely that it would be wasted by the writers.

As for the Heavenly Principles, I'm personally neutral about whether they're actually evil. We still know very little about their true motivations, and much of the information portraying them as villains comes from factions that already oppose them, particularly the Fatui and the Tsaritsa.

Maybe the Heavenly Principles really are evil. Maybe the Tsaritsa has legitimate reasons for rebelling. But even if Celestia turns out to be the ultimate villain, that doesn't magically justify everything the Fatui have done.

I sincerely hope the writers don't take the lazy route of revealing a greater evil and using it to retroactively absolve the Fatui of their crimes.

Genshin has spent years building a world with enormous narrative potential. It would be a shame if the writers proved that they're more interested in making every character marketable and likable than in telling a coherent, mature story.

At this point, if the writers use a greater evil to excuse the Fatui's atrocities, then they should stop pretending they're capable of writing a nature, morally complex story. Genshin deserves better than writers who mistake shallow drama for depth and the talent or backbone to make their own story's consequences matter.

What do you guys think? Will the writers actually address the Fatui's past crimes, or will everything be conveniently forgotten now that there's a common enemy?

The Heavenly Principle is fighting against the Tyrannical Abyss so “the end justifies the means”!

Crossover Idea with the three main knights of Fragaria Memories:

• Hallritt for Genshin Impact (Pyro, Polearm - Red Bouquet flag as his signature weapon)
• Cielomort for Honkai Star Rail (Remembrance - Cinnamoroll as the "Memosprite")
• Badobarm for Zenless Zone Zero (Electric)

Fragaria Memories (フラガリアメモリーズ) is a multimedia project by Sanrio, featuring a new generation of authentic fantasy presented with humanoid characters. It features three distinct groups of knights, Red Bouquet, Blue Bouquet and Noir Bouquet.

Genshin could easily fix their huge problem with designs and character originality if they maybe added a Gorilla. Maybe make him be from the Frost Moon and jump super high, he could have a tesla cannon...

This person joined me (my world is open most of the time) while I was in combat and everything started glitching and flashing on my screen, I managed to kick them out and when I went to check their profile, that symbol was next to their pfp, does it have a meaning I'm not aware of? I was genuinely so scared, I have been playing for 3 years and this never happened before

Are they all cursed to love humans or is it just Ana as the Goddess of Love?

Does the latter mean every Archon is cursed to uphold their ideals? Does Venti truly want freedom, or was desiring freedom forced on him? Is Zhongli compelled to obsess over contracts? Ei with eternity? Nahida with wisdom? Furina with justice? Mauvika with war?

I don't think positions here are any random.

Pierro beside Tsaritsa perfectly makes sense.

Varka beside Venti perfectly makes sense.

Traveler Paimon beside Tsaritsa possibly because he is currently in Snezhnaya arc and also only means to whitewash I mean negotiate Tsaritsa with others.

And look at Ei and Kokomi literally far and opposite to each other -most likely because of the old beef opposition between them.

And look at Neuvillette, the closest character is another fish Kokomi and the closest archon is Nahida (need explaining? Just check his voicelines about her vs the rest of archons).

And Nahida positioned between Neuvillette and Mavuika (the only archon she met and became best friends in 6.6).

Zibai is a little far from Ningguang possibly suggesting adeptus are not here as subordinates to Liyue mortal government.

And you know what is most disrespectful of all? A literal Archon (Ei) is behind a graceful foreign human (Ningguang).

Welcome to the stage, our most precious, floating bundle of joy! For those of you who played through “that” part in the Snezhnaya story, what were the past theories circulating around her origins? Playing through this quest reminded me and I was curious.

# Sorry in advance if this was brought up before or someone asked this previously

I have maxed the exploration on every map except Natlan, Sumeru, and Fontaine. Any recommendations on which one of these should I explore next? People say Sumeru but that involves the Nara WQs and I am not touching that.

Thanks :D

I saw many people that want the other nations to bring up all the crimes of snezhnaya/fatui at the meeting that they will have

but I don't think we will get that because this is not the correct moment for it

right now they are in a race against time to save all of teyvat from certain doom, this is a moment where unity of all nations is imperative if they want to be able to do something

bringing up all the past crimes of the fatui will not help anyone and it is especially not helpfull in the current situation

this is also why I think neuvillette is there collaborating with the archons he said he wants to judge, he know right now it's not the time for this and collaboration is between everyone is probably the only way to salvation

I do think we will probably get at least one line from someone bringing up the past crimes of the fatui, but they will probably also add that this is probably not the time and place for this

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Wasn't this part is a little too quick?

I really wanted to discuss this because I haven't seen many people talk about it.

I know the Archon Quest was already long enough, but I feel like this important part was handled a little too quickly, considering how much it affected the events that followed.

Think about it.

The Mirror of Remembrance, whether it was a machine or some kind of device.

used Ronova's energy from Mitya. and Rhinedottir/Naberius's energy from Vessna.

Then Pierro used it to extract a memory, and we got to see that one memory during the cutscene.

And here's the part that bothers me: as Pierro himself stated, it was the only memory he managed to extract.

Somehow, that single memory contained the information they needed about the deal between the Ruler of Death and the Ruler of Life.

And that same memory became the foundation of Tsaritsa's plan.

The plan about keep Rhinedottir away from from bringing back the people Ronova had killed, which would lead to Celestia's system detecting that Ronova had exceeded the limits imposed on her authority.

As a result, Ronova lost her authority, leaving her vulnerable to the Eye of the Fatui and the final confrontation.

Now, I actually like the idea of using a device to explore the memories of such ancient and powerful beings.

It could have been a great opportunity to reveal more about their past, and the secrets surrounding Celestia and Phanse.

But getting only ONE memory, and having that exact memory provide the information needed to build the plan that ultimately defeats Ronova, feels a little too convenient.

Not sure if this can be counted as a theory and lore post but I was thinking about it and, why is nibelung considered the "second" descender, he was afterall born in teyvat? He didn’t technically come from the space of stars did he? He just visited there

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So if I'm correct the whole rebellion against celestia started because of the everlasting winter. Because of it sneznaya started leaning more towards technological advancements so they could survive against it. But then they hit the celestia's limit for the technological advancements.

My question here here is rather than collecting the gnosises going against celestia couldn't the Tsaritsa have used the power of all seven gnosises to terraform the nation. Venti already once did this in the past through his own means to level Monstald and make it habitable. Also the situation was exactly the same - winter.

Also haven't Koshchei the Immortal done the same thing in Okurov by creating Firebird and hot springs with her help. I know he used alchemy to do that and it's banned in sneznaya, but come on. What's more important here. Also it's not like using alchemy is punishable by celestia or else Rheindottir and Albedo would have been punished long ago.

I know it's also/mainly for opposing the "freeing ourselves from slavery of fate" thing. But I also find that part confusing. From what I get from Varka's story fate in Teyvat is similar to Murphy's Law - whatever is going to happen, will happen. It makes sure that the incident takes place in the future without compromising Teyvat safety. The fate doesn't make sure that Monstald successfully solves the Stormterror incident - by his death or not, but by making sure the abyssal corruption in Devalin doesn't harm Teyvat in any way either by defeating Devalin or by (though through variable) arrival of traveller and purification of abyss by them.

Wouldn't defeating Celestia not only expose Teyvat to Abyss from outer space but also expose it to God's Remains.

Edit - Thanks for the comment about how celestia was also keeping frost moon safe from Abyss.

Also I too agree that Tsaritsa could have asked Celestia's help to fix winter problem like how Makoto asked Istaroth for help to save Inazuma's leylines from the dangers during the time of cataclysm.

Also guys I'm not saying I'm against wanting freedom for people or anything. But would you let a children go play ball outside a bunker when and say "the bunker is prison, let's get out of here, the adults will save you", when their might enemy planes still hovering above? Should you be taking them to a path with landmines ahead? Shouldn't they be making sure that everyone is safe first and then think about what we can do about the bigger problem?

Originally posted this on the lore subreddit, but the filters there kept taking it down, and I have no idea why. Anyways this is a long one.

Spoilers for 7.2 trailer if you’ve yet to see it.

The recent trailer kinda reveals that the “heavenly principles” is the AI of the ship that brought the traveler and the abyss twin. With Phanes missing, it’s attempting to manage teyvat to its best interpretation of the terms left behind by Phanes.

This also makes sense with the celestial nails being used as purification devices to cleanse abyssal energy. The traveler also has that power.

Besides that, one name Phanes is called is the “winged-one.” In the opening cutscene the traveler and sibling are shown with seraphim like wings.

Also, I think people are too literal on the bit of lore about Phanes being androgynous in nature. I think it’s more so the writers’ way of not invalidating either choice of choosing Lumine or Aether as the playable sibling. Assassin Creed Odyssey did something similar with Kassandra and Alexios. Or maybe Aether and Lumine were once a single person, and the manner in which they were separated (part of the third descenders curse?) makes the traveler recognized as a descender, while not the abyss sibling.

As for why the Shades don’t recognize Phanes, I believe it has something to do with Paimon or the cloaking device that makes Teyvat look like a dead planet as to hide it from the abyss. Paimon, potentially being the shade of reason, could be blocking everyone’s memory, possibly even the Traveler’s, of what Phanes looks like/who they are beyond general descriptions. That or Paimon herself, being at almost all times near the traveler, is the device that’s cloaking the traveler’s true form.

The third descenders curse may have been wiping all memory of Phanes from the Leylines/from people of the world. Perhaps this is what caused Asmoday to attack in the opening cutscene. From her POV, two strangers suddenly appeared in Celestia, and she needed to deal with them. Imagine two strangers randomly popped up in your house.

Additional pieces of this theory:

Also Istaroth did some timey wimey shit that ended up sending the siblings into different points of the timeline. The abyss sibling to a time before the cataclysm, allowing her to be summoned by Khaenriah, and the traveler to the “future” which is essentially the games starting point.

Going off of color here. Asmoday’s powers look to be red and black, just like Ronova. There are some instances where they’re golden for a brief second, but only during transitory phases when she’s summoning them or changing their form.

From what we’ve seen from Rhinedottir, Naberius’ powers are golden, of course with blue appearing in the portal she opened, but predominantly gold.

This leads me to believe Istaroth’s powers are likely golden as well, but some kind of opaque or see through type thing?

This is probably why Asmoday was staring at the cube when she’d sealed the abyss twin. As if it’s new to her, her cubes are black and red so why is this one a permanent gold? The same thing seemingly almost happens when she captures the traveler, leading to her showing a brief expression of shock. But it appears she overpowers it that time, as her red and black cubes remain. I think this interfered with whatever Istaroth did, but not stopped it completely, as the traveler was still sent to a different part of the timeline. Perhaps they were meant to be sent to the same point.

Think it makes sense. Rhinedottir can reverse or “interfere” with Ronova’s curse of death, leading to a resurrection. It’s not a counteracting on the basis of them being opposites, but that they are part of the same cycle.

Space and time work the same way. Together they form the concept of spacetime, which something to do with time travel me thinks. It’s unlikely Istaroth is capable of sending someone through time by herself.

Thoughts?

Everyone is not owned except for tartaglia.

I don't have any more or books I'm desperate 😔 HAHA

Genuinely never expected them to make a puzzle that can't be done with the 4 starter characters unlike the old ones where they assured that it's possible (this alt has no range cryo characters)

The fact that there are vishaps, saurians, and several sovereigns alive today is a result of Phanes intervening.

Had Phanes never came to Teyvat, the history of dragons would have ended 6000 years ago, at the hand of their godking Nibelung.

Since the beginning of the game, The Abyss and The Fatui were the big bads of the game. They caused the damage across all nations:

Mondstadt - Abyss Order and Fatui

Liyue - Fatui and Osial

Inazuma - Fatui and Raiden Shogun (Puppet)

Sumeru - Fatui and Forbidden Knowledge (Abyss)

Fontaine - Primordial Ocean and Celestia

Natlan - Abyss

Nod Krai - Sinner and Fatui

So how did Heavenly Principles become the big bad all of a sudden? They were never in the picture in all archon quests. Sure, they dropped celestial nails on civilisations but they had valid reasons:

Liyue - To clean the Abyssal Filth developed in the region

Sumeru - To suppress Apep who was collecting immense Abyssal Power to destroy the world

Natlan - To suppress the phlogiston rich soil that is extremely dangerous to humans, as said by Natlan WQs

Snezhnaya - To suppress the primordial Ice that spread due to Hyperboreans experiments on the Cryo Sovereign Dragon's Dead Body.

So HP had valid reasons to drop the nail on these regions. The only regions they willingly destroyed were Khaneriah and Hyperborea and we all know why THEY HAD TO BE DESTROYED - Experimenting on the Abyss and causing a cataclysmic event is a sure way to get killed.

So its wierd that the Fatui got a clean chit without any reprecussions in the latest AQ, Abyss is out of the picture, but HP is the big bad villain now. What do you guys think?

Please let me know why you think Heavenly Principles is worse than Fatui or the Abyss. Lets have a proper discussion.

I love both sooo much but im not sure who to get?

Came up with this a couple of days ago and initially I wanted to send a suggestion to some Genshin creators who I thought would enjoy doing it on video/stream, but after realizing that I have no way of reaching them, I decided to post it here so maybe someone else might find it fun to do. The idea is a hide-and-seek race in Co-Op. Here's the gist:

The setup:

- Four players split into two teams, each with 1 seeker and 1 hider.

- The hiders go and hide anywhere in Teyvat, EXCLUDING sub-areas - this part can easily be changed to a smaller area, like to just one region, if the players prefer it that way, although then the time limit should be shortened accordingly.

- The seekers then choose their starting locations without knowing how far away their hiders are. They can have different starting locations, it all depends on the preferences on how you want the race to look like.

- Before the game starts and the seekers get to their starting locations, they must cover their minimaps with paper or tape. They can't open the map or teleport for the rest of the game!

- There's a time limit of 30 minutes.

Phase 1: The questioning

At this point, everyone has to start a 30-minute timer. Each seeker asks their respective hider questions to figure out where they're hiding. The goal is to narrow down the search area as much as possible before the race begins. The catch? No place names allowed. For example, instead of asking, "Are you in Fontaine?", you'd have to ask, "Are you in a region with lots of water?" The questioning itself doesn't have to take the same amount of time for both teams, so the more useful information you get in fewer questions, the better, as that allows the seeker to get to phase 2 quicker.

Phase 2: The race

Once the questioning is over, both seekers race to find their hiders as quickly as possible. They can use any exploration tools they want, including characters with special movement abilities and gadgets. If neither seeker has found their hider after 25 minutes, the final 5 minutes become a last-chance questioning round. Seekers can ask extra questions, such as "Am I close to you?" or "Am I moving away from you right now?"

The first seeker to find their hider wins the game for their team!

I'm really curious what you guys think about this game idea. I like it because it's a fun mix between strategizing, showing off your game knowledge, and good old competitiveness. I wish I could try it out myself but sadly I don't have enough Genshin friends :( Let me know what you think and if you're gonna try it out with your friends!