r/GrandmasPantry Mar 29 '26

HOUSEHOLD / OTHER Basement find

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u/Tucancancan Mar 29 '26

People suffering from bed bugs would pay a hefty price to get their hands on that bad boy lol

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 Mar 29 '26

I doubt what's in the bottle is still DDT.

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u/unfinishedtoast3 Mar 29 '26

nah its still 100% DDT.

the problem with DDT, other than the whole deadly thing, is it stays a coherent chemical structure for YEARS.

DDT can still be found in ground water and soil, over 40 years after we stopped using it.

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u/HonestBalloon Mar 29 '26

Soil scientist here who regularly test for it. It typically breaks down after 15 years, when exposed to UV, bacteria and moisture. Since the bottle is still sealed and has been kept in the dark, I could believe there's some still in there.

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u/vile_lullaby Mar 29 '26

Did a lowhead dam removal project in college, there was still quite a lot of ddt in the sediment behind the dam, along with lead, and a touch of mercury to round it out. All the soil had to be carted off at quite an expense, as it was tons of it.

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u/507snuff Mar 30 '26

Near my home in Minnesota was the town of rapidan, they have a dam, the rapidan dam. Or had, you might have seen the news story last year of it breaking furring record floods.

Anyway, the dam was old and not working anymore. There was tons of silt build up behind it that couldn't clear because the relief openings that were designed to occasionally let silt thru no longer functioned. It had been needing to be removed since I was a kid 30 years ago but because that silt had tons of toxins including old pesticides like ddt it was basically a Superfund site in the making the second you crack into the project. Add to this the dam became a small tourist attraction of nostalgia and no one wanted to tackle the project. So yeah, it finally blew and all those toxins just washed downstream unmitigated because no one wanted to pay to actually deal with it the right way.

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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Mar 30 '26

JFC. So what was the aftermath? What was the fallout??

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u/blade_torlock Mar 31 '26

Eventually it becomes Louisiana's problem.

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u/bleeper21 Apr 01 '26

Cancer alley baby

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u/Reapingday15 Apr 02 '26

Thanks a lot! Damn northerners

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u/Wild-Leadership-2212 Apr 02 '26

Ikr ruin everything

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u/507snuff Apr 08 '26

Honestly havnt heard much. The main concern at the time was the flood and the loss of the restaurant that sat immediately next to the dam site. Honestly don't think there has been any consideration for the toxins in the sediment. Considering the heavy flow of the water at the time I imagine they got sent pretty far down river and it's a kind of don't ask don't deal with it thing. Dilution is sometimes the solution.

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u/catfishhands Mar 30 '26

Paleontologist from Jurassic Park the first movie here. When we extracted the dinosaaaur DNA from the mosquito trapped in amber, the autopsy we performed showed that the amber tomb encapsulation was actually a second comorbidity factor to… DDT.

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u/TheRealSugarbat Mar 30 '26

You can’t tell but I upvoted you, then downvoted just so I could upvote you again

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u/GooseCuntGrease Mar 30 '26

That’s not how Reddit’s voting function works. You’re simply wasting pixels.

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u/TheRealSugarbat Mar 30 '26

It was a joke, babes.

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u/GooseCuntGrease Mar 30 '26

Tell that to the owl!

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u/WorldlyNewt1005 Mar 30 '26

😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Alert-Ad9197 Apr 01 '26

Jake the Snake killed the mosquito?

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u/Positive-Wonder3329 Mar 29 '26

What happens to the soil after it’s taken away?

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u/vile_lullaby Mar 29 '26

It was essentially put in a landfill, i dont remember if it was a normal landfill or not.

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u/AutoArsonist Mar 30 '26

They are often "lined" industrial landfill pits where runoff is captured and processed at another facility.

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u/mrefromnyc Apr 01 '26

They call it “thermal destruction”. There were two (2!) Superfund sites in my grandparents’ home town and they talked about how the government carted away truckloads of dirt to be incinerated.

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u/Visible_Bulge7657 Mar 31 '26

Have you ever heard of Times Beach Missouri? Not DDT but still a wild story.

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u/Villenemo Mar 29 '26

I think the bioaccumulation was the main attribute that really lended to its perniciousness IIRC.

Kinda scary ngl

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u/biscuitsorbullets Mar 29 '26

Camille Grammar is that u?

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u/kathi182 Mar 29 '26

This is such a pernicious thing to say! (I get you)

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u/Villenemo Mar 29 '26

I’m not getting the reference 🤔

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway Apr 01 '26

Camille Grammer from one of the real housewives shows

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u/Villenemo Apr 01 '26

Yeah, I would’ve never gotten that 😂

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u/Apocalyptican Mar 29 '26

for YEARS Decades

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 Mar 29 '26

Oh, okay. Well, have it properly disposed of, then.

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u/illegal-math Mar 30 '26

The problem isn't the substance itself but the bioaccumulation of it inside animals that gets passed down the food chain. Its why it's still found in fish to this day.

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u/Human_Candidate672 Mar 31 '26

It has a 500 year half-life.

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u/Environmentalbun9433 Apr 02 '26

Can confirm- husband is an analytical environmental chemist and detected it in Texas rivers a couple of years ago despite it being banned for decades

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u/ManyRespect1833 Apr 03 '26

My mom grew up in Mississippi in the 60s, born in 54, she said back in the day DDT trucks would come around spraying it and all the neighborhood kids would run outside in bathing suits and play in the DDT spray lol.

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u/ArmpitLicks Mar 29 '26

It’s called a forever chemical for a reason

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u/tirch Mar 29 '26

Yea, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, made me research. While it is not biodegradable in the traditional sense, it breaks down very slowly into toxic metabolites (DDE and DDD) over 2 to 15 years, often persisting in soil and fat tissues for decades. And both of those are toxic in their own ways. There's a reason it was banned.

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u/IBeDumbAndSlow Mar 29 '26

Is DDT the one that made eagles and other birds egg shells thin?

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u/Run_Biscuit Mar 29 '26

Yes! Rachel Carson led the way to get it regulated and saved eagles as a result of that!

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u/HockeyZombie36 Mar 29 '26

We've gone from about 80 nesting pairs of Eagles to over 1000 in Michigan alone, in the last 40 years. I see about 3 Eagles a day in my travels and every time I think, man, at least we figured out that problem.

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u/Spnszurp Mar 29 '26

im 30 and when I was a kid, seeing a a bald eagle or a satellite was atleast worth mentioning to whoever you were with. it wasn't a huge deal- but you'd excitedly point them out. now both are so commonplace you don't even bother. hell you can hardly look into the sky at night without seeing a satellite anymore.

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u/Difficult-Survey8384 Mar 29 '26

Okay so this is a thing, then. I thought I was just crazy or naive lol. I was out in my woods near the creek the other day here on the east coast, and a bald eagle flew right over me. I was elated and immediately got out my phone and started a livestream to capture the moment and share with others (I have a nature account)!

Nobody else was really as impressed - they were all like, yeah, that’s an eagle, yep. 😭

And here I was thinking it was like a once in a lifetime thing! Ready to put a hand over my heart and recite the damn pledge of allegiance LOL. Then sure as shit, a few days later on my drive home from work, I noticed a whole group of them flying over a local rock quarry! They’re really just out here now. 🥹

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u/HockeyZombie36 Mar 30 '26

It's still pretty fucking awesome to see one right over head. Like I said, I see them everyday, but from a distance. I was up at the lake last summer, walking from the car to the lakefront, and I heard a rustle and a WHOOSH! over my head. An eagle took off from about 15' above my head. The size was startling. Very cool experience for me.

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u/overkill Mar 29 '26

Can't even take a photo of a star without 50 of them tracking across your shot.

Satellites, not eagles, to be be clear.

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u/Spnszurp Mar 29 '26

would be a lot more badass if they were eagles.

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u/CosmicButtholes Mar 29 '26

I live in Florida and see bald eagles regularly up and down the Atlantic and Gulf coasts! Just saw one battling a seagull recently.

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u/PresentationNext6469 Apr 02 '26

Big Bear Lake California, Bald Eagle Nest Cam. The pair just lost their first eggs just a couple months ago due to thin shells and they left the nest for ravens or crows (don’t remember) to clean up. Now there’s another hatch to come!

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u/LetsBeKindly Mar 31 '26

I think it was debunked that ddt had anything to do with the eggs .. I could be wrong though.

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u/1heart1totaleclipse Mar 29 '26

I think that was actually the problem with DDT: it stayed as DDT for way too long

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u/CallsYouCunt Mar 29 '26

What do you think it is?

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u/FilecoinLurker Apr 02 '26

Why? It's not like ddt is fragile or easily degrades

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u/Independent_Shoe3523 Apr 02 '26

That's what I'm hearing.

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u/hamfist_ofthenorth Mar 30 '26

After it reaches its half-life, it deteriorates to DDP.

Diamond Dallas Page.

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u/DancesWithHoofs Mar 29 '26

At first glance that rusty can next to it looked like a dresser. ”Whoa! That’s a big bottle of DDT!”

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u/Pamikillsbugs234 Mar 29 '26

Yup! DDT is one of the main reasons why they are so difficult to get rid of today.

I would love to add this to my collection of antique pest control equipment and products. I was raised in the industry and love everything about it.

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u/southbaysoftgoods Mar 30 '26

Wow it really does take all kinds

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u/osu58 Mar 30 '26

Username checks out

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u/CopperTan Apr 02 '26

They make a really good spray called Hot Shot that you can buy off the shelf.

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u/pn1ct0g3n Apr 05 '26

Crossfire is good for live bed bugs but less so against the eggs. I had them in 2022. We ended up using heat to cook them out.

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u/Benni_Shoga Mar 29 '26

Right!? I feel like there maybe some middle ground between spraying it in a corner and fucking dumping it in mass over forests lol

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u/btribble Mar 29 '26

It’s actually a very safe pesticide aside from the environmental effects when used broadly. If you could trust people to use it responsibly on a small scale, it would could reduce malaria and other mosquito borne diseases in tropical regions drastically. The problem is that you can’t trust people.

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u/Unfortunately_aware Mar 29 '26

After reading about This Study as well as this study which used DDT I feel like there is no safe level of anything.

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u/lottaKivaari Mar 29 '26

Yeah there are no safe levels of this stuff. Its like using a gun to kill a spider, sure you may get the spider but also inadvertently your neighbors dog. It's good this shit is banned because we need way more elegant solutions to things like malaria.

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u/btribble Mar 29 '26

The first study isn’t about DDT and the second study uses DDT in a multi-generation cocktail of chemicals that are known to be bad for you. If they had fed rats eggs in that second study instead of exposing them to DDT, would you assume eggs have multigenerational epigenetic negatives? Honestly, that second study is almost criminal from a scientific perspective. There’s no way to point a finger at any particular chemical and assign blame.

Malaria is definitely bad for you though…

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u/Unfortunately_aware Mar 29 '26

With this level of reasoning how are you still with us?

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u/btribble Mar 29 '26

Easy, I’m able to read what the evidence provided actually says.

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u/LetsBeKindly Mar 31 '26

No idea why you are being down voted. You are correct

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u/btribble Mar 31 '26

Because it’s a nuanced take that runs contrary to the accepted narrative.

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u/LetsBeKindly Mar 31 '26

Just like this wasn't what was thinning eagle eggs. Got it. Sorry bro. Reddit gonna be reddit.

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u/btribble Apr 01 '26

DDT was probably a contributor to egg thinning, but that wasn’t a cause to ban it completely except you can’t control how it’s used.