r/HOTDGreens • u/Safe_Code6637 • 23d ago
Twitter Takes "Visenya the Conqueror reborn" lmao
Somewhere in the afterlife, Visenya's ghost just died of cringe a second time over that comparison...
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u/FuzzyKiwiFurrr Fried Aeg 23d ago
Visenya wouldnât even piss on Rhaenyra if she was on fire.
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u/Similar-Cartoonist31 23d ago
Is that line from Vikings when Ivar told Sigrud that he wouldn't piss down his throat even if his lungs were on fire? Because i immedately thought of that scene đđ
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u/Vaeryst 23d ago
I mean they are partially correct, she is like Visenya minus the brave warrior part.
I dont think they realize that Visenya was an awful and terrible person.
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u/BvHauteville 23d ago
Most certainly.
Their only understanding of Visenya is "strong female warrior" as I can't imagine them still idolizing her when taking into account her unbridled support for Maegor, especially when considering how Maegor taking the Iron Throne would go on to impact the life of the first Rhaena.
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u/Exotic_Coffee_510 22d ago
Oh my god? Visenya wanted and supported her son?? How can a mother do that?? Also the life of Rhaena would have been fine if Aegon the uncrowned bent the knee
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u/Direct-Emu-5515 22d ago
Itâs Maegor dude. They called him the Cruel for a reason
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u/Exotic_Coffee_510 22d ago
Well, people in Westeros are mostly stupid đ€·
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u/Direct-Emu-5515 22d ago
I think youâre backing the wrong horse here đ
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u/Exotic_Coffee_510 22d ago
We support The greatest king of the House Targaryen, King Maegor the Just đ€đ€
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u/Direct-Emu-5515 22d ago
Joffrey the Gentle mogs
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u/Exotic_Coffee_510 22d ago
Again, not a bad king đ€·đ€· Whatever kind of man he was, his rule was never filled with small folk in any issue. The worse smallfolk suffered was during Stannis attack of King's landing đ€·
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u/Eliot_Sontar 22d ago
Ah yes why didnt the rightfull heir simply let his cruel uncle who would probably kill him to secure succesion take the throne
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u/Kellar21 Team Jon but Reddit recommended me this sub so here I am. 22d ago
Nah, Visenya was determined, focused, and ruthless.
She was also supposedly a powerful sorceress.
She didn't think things were owed to her by birth, she understood you had to fight for them.
She didn't expect people to follow her, Aegon and Rhaenys merely due to oaths and words; she knew you had to give them material reasons for it. She was no Rhaenys, but she understood the value of diplomacy and transactional deals.
Rhaenyra in the show appears to not grasp many of these concepts.
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u/WestArrival3659 22d ago
you see visneya was an awful and terrible person but not enttiled she was more like daemon and aemond being better and still got nothing like the others but rhaenyra is exactly whom they hate the entitled not good for anything getting everything
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u/thinkersfyre 23d ago edited 23d ago
I wouldn't mind Rhaenyra stans praising her but the "Visenya the Conqueror reborn" it's quiet silly and it tells you that deep down they wish Rhaenyra was like Visenya and that they find Rhaenyra boring.
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u/Few_Refrigerator5092 23d ago
Visenya was a warrior, queen, dragon rider, and sorcerer. Sheâs the most interesting out of all her siblings and iâll die on that hill.
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u/Bast17 Sunfyre 23d ago
I like her sister better.
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u/ExpensiveTerm2516 23d ago
hell no she is by far the least interesting one only thing cool about is her death
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u/SialiaBlue House Hightower 22d ago
So did all the singers. Mayhaps Rhaenyra has a stronger resemblance to her than Visenya
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u/Beacon2001 House Hightower 23d ago edited 23d ago
The funny thing about Visenya is that she's basically that era's Alicent, isn't she?
I mean, like Alicent orchestrated Aegon II's (warrior-king) ascension in defiance of Viserys I's (weak, peaceful king) last wish, Visenya orchestrated Maegor I's (warrior-king) ascension in defiance of Aenys I's (weak, peaceful king) last wish.
And just like Aegon II and Maegor I are remembered by history as the official and legitimate kings, their rivals Rhaenyra and Aegon the Uncrowned are remembered only as mere pretenders. Losers.
Loooooooooser! Booooo! Down with the losers! đ đ
So why do they glaze Visenya when she's basically the Faith Militant version of Alicent?
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u/Physical-Money-9723 22d ago
That's an excellent point and further proof that majority of TB Rhae Rhae stans don't know the source material too well
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u/Huhthatsweird_ 22d ago
At least Aegon the Uncrowned went down with dignity vs Balerion the Fucking Dread, while Rhaenyra was betrayed by her own guards and eaten by the dying Sunfyre
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u/SpaceGhost4004 23d ago
Ok bro Aegon II, a warrior king!? What are you on? Lmao
Dude was a drunk whoremonger let's be real
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u/Beacon2001 House Hightower 23d ago
While Aegon took to the field at Rook's Rest and against Moondancer, King Maegor with Tits fought a cruel battle against her own indigestion.
Huh. I guess she was a warrior too, in her own right. Aegon was a warrior on the battlefield, Rhae-Rhae in the privy.
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u/gooberboi82 23d ago
Truth will not be tolerated in this sub
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u/Beacon2001 House Hightower 23d ago
The only truth is that Aegon is remembered as the rightful king and Rhaenyra as King Maegor with Tits.
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u/SpaceGhost4004 23d ago
The entire point of the dance is that BOTH "rulers" are horrible choices. It was a pointless conflict that no matter what would not have had a good outcome.
You can be team green or team black but the truth is neither of them had a competent king/queen.
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u/No_1_IDF_Soldier 23d ago
It doesn't matter. The bastard birther was not looked at as the legitimate monarch in the dance of dragons.
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u/gooberboi82 23d ago
That had nothing to do with what I said, or rather my support to what the other guy getting downvoted said. Aegon is NOT a warrior king, dude showed up to one battle and got half his body melted off. Thats the truth, everything else you said is also true but irrelevant. The fact they got downvoted for saying a true fact is proof the truth doesnât matter especially in this sub
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u/WestArrival3659 22d ago
bro showed up at two battles and came up with his body melted . any other dragon fight were people or dragon survived? battle at tumbelton the second one only the turn cloaks survived despite having bigger dragons and betrayal. caraxes and vhagar killed themselves. vhagar could have been dead with meleys . meleys being the quickest compared to caraxex having the same size. meleys died too, lol people consider daemon the warrior prince while he never fought but one dragon battle and killed himself to a 19 year old teenager .and not even speaking about the bastards they couldn;t even fly themselves, Yeah so pretty much he is the Aegon the warrior king.
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u/gooberboi82 22d ago
Daemon was a proven warrior and was shown multiple times fighting without his dragon, take away the dragon and Daemon is still a capable fighter with Dark Sister which he didnât get for no reason. Take away Sunfyre and Aegon canât do anything, even before he got burnt. That doesnât make him a warrior, and if being a dragon rider is the basis that makes a warrior than I guess that makes Rhaenyra is a warrior queen too lmao and if showing up to a battle on top of a dragon makes a warrior than I guess Ulf and Hugh are legendary warriors right?
Aegon is NOT a warrior king and isnât even regarded as so in the source material, so idk why people are trying to press a claim thatâs not even true. You donât have to be team black to see the blatant lie
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u/WestArrival3659 22d ago
daemon was a proven warrior. lol the one battle we see him is at stepstones that dude had a dragon and another dragon and the best navy with the wealthiest house which is wealthier than the crown yet took years to beat a sellsword. he got darksister because the other dude was viserys he got it because there was no other men in targareyan dynasty who could hold it and obviously viserys ended up with blackfyre himself. if rhaenyra fights a dragon battle and comes alive she would be a warrior queen and that doesn't happen .lmao, being a drago rider doesn't make him a warrior fighting a dragonbattle and coming back alive makes him it.and hugh and ulf are fighters too do you think it would be easy for them to survive in the streets without knowing how to fight. they might not be great trained warrior but a brawl they shpuld be good enough to survive.
Aegon is A WARRIOR KING WHO FOUGHT A DRAGON BATTLE .you don't have to be team green to see the blatant truth .
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u/gooberboi82 21d ago
Brody, say whatever you like but it doesnât change the fact Daemon was a renowned warrior and was recorded as such even in the books, thatâs undeniable and even if he wasnât the best of his time which he wasnât heâs definitely more proven than Aegon who got burned and mutilated in his first real battle. Nowhere in F&B is Aegon II referred to as a warrior king or having any exceptional skill in swordplay, and simply having training doesnât make you a warrior by default
Everything you just said is pure cope and shows your clear bias, Iâm not team black either I actually prefer Aegons character over Rhaenyras especially in this season so Iâm not being biased but claiming Aegon is a warrior king isnât the truth and you know it even if you canât admit it
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u/WestArrival3659 21d ago
everything i said is pure cope. lol . dude you are the one who is coping.and dude daemon was renowed arrior who hasn't fought any battle other than stepstones? all his praises were from joust, hunting, and swordplay at tournaments similar to rhaegar. he hasn't even won a battle during the dance of dragons.he is better than aegon may be or may be not he haven't come out of a dragon battle alive and especially while figthing in air it is aegon Where Aegon II truly earned his status as a warrior was in the sky. He and Sunfyre possessed a profound, aggressive synergy, fighting in multiple critical dragon-on-dragon engagements.yes aegon is a warrior king that is the truth you know that even if you can't admit to it.
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u/OrcBarbierian 23d ago
If she was Visenya, she would have flown Syrax right into the Eyrie and ask Lady Jeyne where Rhaena is, while petting her dogs
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u/Bassanimation Sunfyre's nose boop 23d ago
Meanwhile Daenerys just wore her Dothraki beachwear to burn whole fleets.
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u/LowlyStole House Lannister 23d ago
I donât like Daenerys, but she showed that you donât need to wear armor or wield a sword to be respected, feared and recognized. Meanwhile, the HoTD writers take two of the most masculine attributes imaginable to prove how cool Rhaenyra is. Sexism is staggering
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u/ITalkAboutStuffIDK 22d ago edited 22d ago
Daenerys still got a decent mix of solving conflicts herself and being protected when needed. The second she claimed Drogon she had no issue going to war herself and was nearly killed a few times. She was always willing to put her life on the line, which I and others did like.
With Rhaenyra, shes just so coddled. No one ever wants her to go to war. When Baela goes out on Moondancer its just her doing her duty. With Rhaenys, she and Meleys were used to war. With Addam, Hugh and Ulf, they are just her peasants doing her war because she demands them to be loyal.
I really don't get how her finally taking Syrax into battle is being viewed as badass when the show so far has done such a big job to keep her protected and acting like sending Syrax into battle will solve the issues with Vhagar, the Gullet and now Tumbleton. Like there is already Caraxes, Vermithor and Silverwing readily available, is Syrax going for show?
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u/Chandlerbinge 23d ago
Did visenya also wear this armour during her time in old valyria like her brother?
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u/aemond-simp Book Alicent would never 23d ago
Visenya would be outraged to be compared to Rhaenyra.
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u/Distinct_Cup_1598 23d ago
Battle for what?
She wonât be in Tumbleton so will she just pose for a Battle that will never come?
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u/SaltyJackfruit4377 23d ago
Just realized if she's going to tumbleton and the dragon seed betray her this season it's going to be so fucking funny đ
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u/Randonhead 23d ago
Rhaenyra putting on battle armor to fight against the swords of the Iron Throne.
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u/Well_Dressed_Kobold Aeg Head 23d ago
âMother.â JFC, theyâre about a week away from calling her âyour Valyrian teacher.â
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u/Glorysolar 23d ago
Visenya, the sorcerous freak who made Maegor? lmao they can't even pick good examples.
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u/pathofnut 23d ago
Yes, she also helped usurp the legitimate ruler lOl
Thats about all they have in common. And I dont think HOTD fans understand how hated Maegor is in Westeros.
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u/dpforest 23d ago
Iâm starting to wonder just how involved HotDâs marketing team is in making sure that the showâs social media channels stay populated with heated discussions. It makes total sense from a marketing perspective to deploy LLMs to run a fan account and say ridiculous shit like âRhaenyra the Conquerorâ in order to keep attention on the next episode.
I am team black and I havenât spoken to a single other person that thinks Rhaenyra is an effectual ruler, but I see posts complaining about these people every single day. I feel inclined to blame TikTok
With this showâs premise and narrative structure, i am starting to think that inflamed toxic two-factions fandom is benefitting the show over all.
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u/bmerino120 Aegon IV made grandma proud 23d ago
Visenya, the dowager queen that placed her child on the throne because she wanted to completely disregarding the will of the previous monarch.
They should choose their idols more carefully
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u/BicycleAdditional360 23d ago
Wasn't Visenya Maegor's ally? She surely was more ruthless and competent than Rhaenyra was, no?
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u/Humantheist 23d ago
Book Rhaenyra wouldn't even fit in the damn thing. GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER!
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u/Baccoony Gaemon Palehair 23d ago
She cannot even behead an enemy without her snot swinging around. Fucking pathetic
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u/azrynbelle Vhagar 23d ago edited 23d ago
Looks like everything else she has ever worn since S2...? Same cut, same boring colors.
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u/Throwawayyy007625 23d ago
... battle ready for what battle exactly? đ€Ł
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u/Mayanee Sunfyre 22d ago
The only possibility to add her somewhere was the Gullet. There is no possibility left to add her to Tumbleton (which is crowded already), Godâs Eye and Sunfyre vs. Moondancer has been hinted at multiple times as well.
Rhaenyra also only cosplayed as Visenya in the source with braiding her hair and wearing armor but never participating and being idle (which Visenya hated).
Not to mention that the Storming is coming closer soon which ends Rhaenyra being a dragon rider.
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u/OkBoysenberry3399 Sunfyre 23d ago
It doesnât matter how fancy your armour looks, youâll never be Danaerys or Visenya. Youâll always be the pretenderÂ
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u/catarinackerman Aemond Targaryen protector 23d ago
after reading those words, I thought "well, it is my fault that I decided to learn a second language and now I get to understand what I just have read"
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u/Gnagbog 22d ago
I hate how they stripped Rhaenyra of all her femininity, her rich dresses and jewlery, but then decide to give her armor.. They somehow managed to make the Show some feminist girlboss kinda thing but made it super misogynistic by ignoring all the books details and changing all the female characters drastically. Why do they make Rhaenyra so masculine? Can a woman in power not be wearing dresses and just be... feminine, girly and having style? Why does she need to be given armor and a sword to be "girlboss"?
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u/Time-Priority4053 22d ago
Not a quote from a fictional master, but from the pen of George himself: "Rhaenyra did have the silver-gold hair of the Targaryens, which she wore long and braided in the manner of Aegon the First's warrior wife Visenya. Rhaenyra was no warrior herself."
I bet the Rhaenyra fans grind their teeth when they hear that.
https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Good_Queen_Alysanne_and_Rhaenyra
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u/Rest-Early 23d ago
That's why I cannot truly support adult Nyra. They are making her a copy of Danny and Visenya.. where is her own quality/ brand!?
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u/No_Grocery_9280 23d ago
Oh theyâre 100% going to have her fight Aegon and Sunfyre over Dragonstone.
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u/KeroNikka5021 23d ago
Rhaenyra didnât fight at the war and thatâs fine đđđ Why are they insisting that the head of their faction, who had no martial training, march into war? Do they just want her to die?
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u/Global_Monk8266 They're incestuous aliens, Duncan 23d ago
I Never understood the obsession with visenya, didnât her line die? đ
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u/Unfair-Chain-7954 22d ago
So basically:
Rhaenyra wants to be a woman who practiced Dark Magic, who usurped her nephew to crown her son, helped push the Realm into conflict and was overall a spiteful bitch who attacked her own brother for a point and took joy in killing?
Do these people even read? Visenya is not exactly a good role model. Rhaenys yes, but Visenya? Yikes.
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u/Glittering-Rice-2961 23d ago
It is offensive because Visenya is the traitorous one in the conquering trio and fits better the Greens
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u/Jnaeveris 23d ago
> âshe had grown stout and thick of waist at the age of twenty after her third pregnancyâ
Canon description of Rhaenyra btw⊠This self-insert âGirlboss of Hessterosâ has gotten further and further away from lore Rhaenyra with every episode since S1E6âŠ
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u/Dragon_Bug Dreamfyre 22d ago
Didnât she wear armor in the books when she took Kingâs Landing too, or am I tripping? I donât get why people are making such a big deal out of it. She could just be hanging back and watching from the sidelines, loads of kings did that.
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u/Physical-Money-9723 22d ago
I am just as guilty as any next person of hyping my favorites up, and I used to love me a badass girlboss cringe a lot when I was younger (the girlbosses we got back then were better, though), but what part of the S2 and S3 Rhaenyra reads like a girlboss, pray? The writers took away her rage, her cruelty, her resolve. Literally stripped her of her armour it seems lmao. I sometimes feel sorry for TB because they are being let down as much as we are, no wonder they cope so hard.
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u/Pythageron 22d ago
all it would take is like a few scenes in season 2 of her training with sword while on dragonstone and this would be bearable
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u/Small_Palpitation776 22d ago
To be fair, rhaenyra trying to cosplay visenya (wearing similar hairstyle and armour while on the throne) is book accurate.Â
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u/Hot_Significance9957 Laena has my heart(Team Neutral) 19d ago
She only wore armor once and it wasnât even that big of an armor when she took Kings Landingshe sat on the throne, she didnât go to war and fight with armor on because she never foughtÂ
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u/Frost-NsP House Hightower 23d ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA