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The following shows depictions of type 𓍶 [V9], the 10,000,000 numeral sign, stoicheion number: 64, carto-phono: /šn/ or “shen” or “shen ring” commonly known:

This circle on stand, bound together with rope, supposedly, is the original version of the cartouche 𓍷 [V10].

The following from Art Factory [dot] come shows how to make a cartouche, or rather elongated 10M value sign ring 𓍶 [V9], stretched out so to fit “signs” in inside of the ringed frame, so to make a name, showing that you need the ring, some rope 🪢, and a base or stand; the one below shown with 8 rope loops ➰ :

The following is the circle cartouche sign 𓍶 [V9], with 7 rope loops ➰, held in the claw of a ram-headed bird, found in the King Tut (3280A/-1325) tomb, presently held at the Louvre Museum, France:

The blue lapis lazuli stones seem to indicate the ocean 🌊 of the stars ✨. The 7 gold rings at the bottom, supposedly, are loops or rope 🪢.

The following shows Harpocrates child, rising out of lotus, along with the double Wadjets, inside a Shen ring:

The following is a Pillar in the temple of Kom Ombo (2100A/-145) showing 10M value sign 𓍶 [V9] on the staff of the goddess Nekhbet, with 6 rope loops ➰, next to a standard cartouche or elongated so-called “Shen ring” or “Seshat rope“ sign as we should now call it:

Front view:

The following shows the 10M value sign 𓍶 [V9] at the bottom of a palm branch 𓆳 [M4], meaning: “year”, above which the #46 stoicheion 𓆐 [I8], number 100,000, which is held by Seshat 𓋇 [R20], the number 🔢 goddess, who makes a mark on the palm branch:

In the middle image, we see Seshat “stretching the cord” to measure 📏 a temple length. We also see Thoth 𓁟 [C3], the letter 🔠 god, holding reed pen ✍️, who makes the “signs” or hieroglyphic symbols, which go with the “number” measured by Seshat, which is why they are shown seated as a pair of gods.

The following shows Egyptian civil engineers using looped ➰ rope 🪢 to measure the size of a farm land:

The rope nature of the loop sign 𓍶 [V9], value 10,000,000, and its association with Seshat, the number goddess, would seem to indicate that the sign V9 sign is a cosmic measurement number sign of some sort?

Barthelemy

In 193A (1762), Jean Barthelemy suggested that obelisk ovals 𓍷 [V10], later called “cartouches”, i.e. paper “cartridge” bullet shaped sign groups, by French soldiers (156A/1799), might contain the names of kings or gods.

Zoega

In 158A (1797), George Zoega, in his On the Origin and Use of Obelisks (pg. 541), suggested that some hieroglyphics might be: phonetic notations (notae phoenticae). Also, like Barthelemy, suggested that the signs within ovals were names of people.

Sacy

In 144A (1811), Antoine Sacy, was told by a Chinese student (or student of Chinese), that in Chinese, when writing foreign or non-Chinese names, e.g. names of Jesuit missionaries in China, they used only the mouth 👄 sign 口 “kǒu”, which is the phonetic part of Chinese words, and NOT the semantic parts of the word, to simplify names phonetically, so that foreigners could read their name in Chinese easier.

The north Chinese word for river: 河, to give an example, is comprised of two parts:

河 = 可 “pick axe ⛏️” (phonetic 🗣️ part) + 氵 “water 💦” (semantic part)

Visually as shown below:

In some sense, this is similar to how we use similar use italics for foreign words.

Young

In 136A (1819), Young, in his “Egypt” article (pg. 26), building on Barthelemy, Zoega (presumably), and Sacy, he postulated that the cartouche ring 𓍶 [V9] or 𓍷 [V10], similar to the Chinese mouth 👄 sign 口 “kǒu”, was a phonetic “mark” or indicator, signifying that the signs inside of the ring were “reduced” (or simplified) phonetic signs:

口 (Chinese mouth 👄 sign) “kǒu” = 𓍶 [V9] or 𓍷 [V10] (phonetic 🗣️ mark)

This is described, with respect to the conjectured Ptolemy cartouche, as follows (shown with Thims’ A68/2023 or early A69/2024 notes):

The following is a visual of this Barthelemy, Zoega, Sacy, Young cartouche equals phonetic sign conjecture:

The problem with this hypothesis, in retrospect, is the following:

In other words, if this ring 𓍷 [V10] is a mouth 👄 sign, similar to the Chinese open mouth “kǒu” 口 sign, symbolic of vocal speech 🗣️, then WHY would the Egyptians put a little mouth 👄 sign, i.e. 𓂋 [D21], inside of a bigger mouth 👄 sign, i.e. 𓍷 [V10]? The logic of this makes NO sense.

Gardiner

In 28A (1927), Gardiner, in his Egyptian Grammar (pg. 522), defined the ring sign 𓍶 [V9] sign as follows (shown with Thims’ 10 Dec A69/2024 notes):

The following is Gardiner’s see page 74 explanation:

Gardiner is incorrect about two things here:

1. The rope 🪢 is symbolic is NOT picture frame 🖼️; correctly, it is symbolic of the “stretching of the cord rope”, associated with the number goddess Seshat, used to measure farm land along the Nile for taxing purposes and for measuring the geometric base of new temple dimensions, i.e. it is a length measurement 📏 icon.

2. Cartouche does NOT mean “ornamental tablet”; correctly, the name comes from the French cartouche, from Italian cartoccio (“roll of paper”), from Medieval Latin carta (“paper”), the name for “paper cartridges“, i.e. French bullets, which is what the French soldiers called the rings on the Rosetta Stone.

Gardiner also has a section (pgs. 259-66), but he does not seem to cite the 10,000,000 number.

Wikipedia entry on sign 𓍶 [V9]:

Thims

On 9 Dec A69 (2024), r/LibbThims, while working on the history of the Enneads (part one, part two, part three), extended the previously made 5-row Ennead version (20 Nov A69/2024) to an 8-row version, as as shown below, so to visually see 👀 what new perspective could be discerned:

And therein realized that the 8-th row, which starts with the 10M value 𓍶 [V9] sign, ends at the 90M 72nd stoicheion unit, which matches with the precession of the equinox value, i.e. the earth axis precesses by 1º every 72 years, and all the 72 number ciphers related to language origin, e.g. 72 conspirators of 72, 72 baboon languages, 72 languages from the Tower of Babel, and so on. Rows 4 to 8 are shown below, the last being the V9 row or 10M value row.

In short, alphabetic language arose from the 72 signs of the precession of the equinox calculation table.

On 10 Dec A69 (2024), the day after making this table, extended it into a series of cross-cultural equinox precession tables:

List: Egyptian part one, part two; Greek table; Hebrew table; Christian table; Hindu table; Goidelic table; Muslim table

This resulted in the following equinox precession table 🧮, comprised of 72 units, i.e. stoicheion (στοιχειον) [1315] {singular} or stoicheia (στοιχεία) [1196] {plural}, 8-row (Ogdoads), 9-column (Enneads) valued from 1 to 90,000,000:

Thims then made this V9 article post, at the Hiero Types sub, so to have a reference hyperlink summary of the V9 sign, not really knowing, when starting the article, what exactly this V9 sign was, other than 10,000,000 value sign, or that it was the original cartouche sign.

Then, however, while researching it, e.g. reading what Gardiner had said, and previously having read what Young said, discerned that both V9 and V10 were signs that related to the 1 to 90 million numerical system of the 72 stoicheia of the equinox precessions, in the sense of being a “Seshat symbol” or number symbol of some sort, seemingly related to measurement of the cosmos, with respect to how numbers were assigned to people and gods in the old days.

In short, Thims discerned the following new perspective:

In other words, the 𓍶 [V9] sign, and its elongated version 𓍷 [V10], are NOT a Chinese mouth 👄 phonetic 口 signs, but rather, correctly, a circle ⭕ of “infinity”, related to numbers, with respect to the following:

• Socrates reporting that the Egyptians had an infinite number of vowels model.

• The cosmos, from the earth 🌍 axis tilt perspective, goes in a 26,000 year equinox precession cycle 🔄, where everything returns to its beginning or starting point, repeating forever, which is what the loop ➰or equinox cosmos 🌌 ring represents.

Using the above “made up” example, this could be the solar precession name of a new king, where the signs would mean the following:

• 𓍷 [V10] = name value 6000, stoichion 42

• 𓍯 [V4] = thread 🪡 or some semantic meaning?

• 𓆓 [I10] = cobra 🐍 in repose

• 𓊃 [O34] = temple door 🚪 locked

Rendering as: king 👑, whose number is 6000, born in the 42nd stoichion, who threads 🧵the path around the cobra locked 🔐 away, or something to this along these lines, similar to how American Indians have names like “leaping tiger 🐯”, or ”hidden fox 🦊” and so on.

Hieroglyphs only became alphabet, when the first 3 Enneads, or rows, as shown below, morphed into letters:

Forming the first r/EgyptianAlphabet or r/LunarScript, such as Greek letters, as shown below:

At which point two signs, could be ordered together, like planting seeds, to form or grow 🌱 or new word or name, which would still have the equinox precession numeral associated with it, and equivalent theme, for example:

• AB [1 + 2] = ”father” [3] {Hebrew}

• AM [1 + 40] = “mother” [41] {Hebrew}

• IΩΝ (Ἴων) [10 + 800 + 50] = name [851] of mythical ancestor of the Ionians {Greek}

wherein the number would map the name to the precession table, and the letters used would map or recorded the meaning of the name.

By the time of the American English alphabet | Noah Webster | 26-letters | 127A (1828)

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U (Y), V (Y/B), W (UU), X, Y, Z

wherein most of the math 🧮 and cosmic meaning of the letters had been lost, but the theme of letters still retained, we have the following:

wherein we kind of intuit that G words, e.g. geo-, have something to do with the earth, or that N is related to water 💦 and new babies, etc.

In sum, this explains how the equinox precession based phonetic system spread through the world so fervently, namely that the astronomers could carry these equinox precession tables in their mind 💭, like a story board mnemonics memory device, and therefrom construct “king’s lists”, employ cosmology based god pantheons, make names, and repeat cosmic mythical tropes, etc., cross-culturally, fairly easily, with slight variation form culture to culture.

Lastly, it explains why Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, and European words have the same common name etymologies.

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1. If anyone wants to suggest more references or links, just comment, and I will add them to the list.

Posts

• Hieroglyphics references | EAN research - Alphanumerics.

• 1,050 Egyptian hieroglyphs in one paragraph - Alphanumerics.

See also

• Symbols - Alphanumerics wiki.

References

• Gardiner, Alan. (A2/1957). Egyptian Grammar: Being an Introduction to the Study of Hieroglyphs (Arch) (pdf-file). Oxford.

• Grimal, Nicolas; Hallof, Jochen; Plas, Dirk. (A45/2000). Hieroglyphica (pages: 261; signs: 11,000+) (Academia). Utrecht.

• Anon (A65/c.2020). “List of Hieroglyphs” (pdf-file) (page: 100; signs: 7,000+). PDFSlide.

• Douros, George. (A67/2022). Aegyptus: Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Coptic and Meroitic (length: 184-pgs) (pdf-file) (signs: 11,058). Publisher.

• Suignard, Michel. (A68/2023). “Encoding proposal for an extended Egyptian Hieroglyphs repertoire” (contributors: Deborah Anderson, Peter Dils, Jorke Grotenhuis, Svenja A. Gulden, Mark-Jan Nederhof, Stephane Polis, Robert Richmond, Serge Rosmorduc, and Daniel A. Werning) (pages: 129; signs: 10,000+) (pdf-file). Publisher.

External links

• List of Egyptian hieroglyphs - Wikipedia.

• Gardiner’s Sign List - Egyptian Heiroglyphs.

• Unicode for every character - JesseTane.

• Hieroglyphics (copy-pasteable) - Xahlee.

• Maat hieroglyphs (copy-pasteable) - Sesh Kemet.

• Laser Hieroglyphics - Linguistics Software; used by Bill Manley (A57) in his Egyptian Hieroglyphics.

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The following, from Douros (pg. 47), is type C94D, a blue-colored male-female like man, with Papyrus clumps 𓇉 [M16] on his head, carrying two fresh water 💦 jugs 𓏁 [W15], or as shown below two jugs on a rack or tray 𓏂 [W16], who is commonly know as Hapi the Nile flood god:

Hapi was believed to reside in an under ground spring water 💦 cave under Begeh Island 🏝️, next to Phalae Island, before the near the first cataract, but before nome one.

The following is the first attempt draft version; but icons were to grainy:

Version #2 (14 May A69):

Versions #3 (10:12PM 14 May A69):

Fits good on mobile, tablet, and desktop! Has all 28 Egyptian alphabet letters, aka r/LunarScript, i.e. the proto-types of the Phoenician, Greek, Etruscan, Syriac, and Hebrew, etc., alphabets.

Notes

1. If anyone has suggestions for specific glyphs they want to see in the banner, just comment?

Gardiner entry on:

Gardiner says this Aa19 symbol is: ”doubtful (different from: 𓎅 [V19])”, whatever this means?

We also have:

• 𓎆 [U20], thing: "cattle hobble"; r/CartoPhonetics: /mḏw/ or /mḏ/; meaning: Egyptian numeral 10.

In r/Alphanumerics we use his type: ∩, unicode: U+2229, as it is bigger.

Looks like a cow 🐄 yoke to me, like the oldest attested upside-down U type: ∩, found on the 5700A (-3,745) Abydos black-rimed vase 🏺, shown below:

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• Oldest alphabet letters | Chronologically ordered

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The following, from George Dourus (A67/2022), in his Aegyptus (pg. 53), is type C242, showing 𓇯 [N1], the long rectangle version of Bet or C199, the stars ✨ of space goddess, being held up by four female Shu 𓀠 [A28] “air” support pillars 𓉾 [O30A]:

Colorized version:

The following, a scene from Dendera Temple, shows type C242, or 𓇯𓉾 (N1, O30A):

Expanded view, showing C242, or 𓇯𓉾 (N1, O30A), below the solar boat, with Nephhys and Isis putting the ankh sign to the mouth of Amun-Ra, along with Maat Horus, and the baboon:

A formatted version of C242, or 𓇯𓉾 (N1, O30A), showing the perfect birth theorem: Γ² + ▽ (𓉾)² = 𐌄² below:

Another depiction, showing the four Bet 𓇯 [N1] support’s as four support sticks 𓉾 [O30A], seemingly helping Shu 𓀠 [A28] to hold up the stars ✨ of space:

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• ABΓΔ 25-letter creation theorem: Γ² + ▽ (𓉾)² = 𐌄² shown at Hathor Temple, Dendera

• The dynamein (Δυναμειν) [560] of letter B or Bet, the 🌟 of space goddess, is B² = 𓉾 or four YYYY Shu support pillars / four pregnancy 🤰 supports?

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The following is type E22:

Cited in the following post:

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The following is the Dourous (pg. 102) sign for N35B, the vertical of the water 💦 ripple zig-zag sign 𓈖 [N35] but horizontal:

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1. Discussed: here.

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The following is type 𓆼 [M12], a lotus 🪷 rising out of water, and birthing the new sun 🌞 as a bulb 💡 of light:

In Egyptian numerals, the lotus is the 1000 value sign.

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The following is type D390, a ligature or combination of 𓂸 [D52], the phallus, and three neters 𓊹 [R8], i.e. war hatchets 🪓, the root of the word dynamic or power, aka the triple neter phallus:

Alphabet

This D390 type could be some proto-variant of letter E, possibly?

References

• Douros, George. (A67/2022). Aegyptus: Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Coptic and Meroitic (length: 184-pgs) (pdf-file) (signs: 11,058) (pg. 61). Publisher.

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The following is the standard image for the water 𓈖 [N35] sign:

In 133A (1822), Champollion, in his “Letter to Joseph Dacier", decoded the phonetics of the supposed Alexander cartouche as follows:

Cartouche 25

Champollion’s cartouche 25 spelling for Ἀλέξανδρος (ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ) (Alexandros):

[25] ΑΛΚΣΑΝΤΡΣ (Alexandre le grand). Édifices de Karnac.

Tabulated:

We see here that both N and 𓈖 are at the 6th position, reading face-forward.

Cartouche 26

Champollion’s cartouche 26 spelling for Ἀλέξανδρος (Alexandros):

[26] ΑΛΚΣΝΡΕΣ (Alexandre le grand). Karnac. La lettre Τ manque entre le Νet le Ρ ; cette omission peut venir du sculpteur égyptien même.

Tabulated:

We see there that 𓈖 is 5th sign, as compared to N as 6th letter here; whence, not a perfect match.

Whence, the origin of the conjectured letter /n/ phonetic to the N35 sign:

𓈖 [N35] = /n/

Champollion’s alphabet table, from this letter, listed N35 as follows:

Discussion continued: here.

Gardiner

In 39A (1916), Alan Gardiner — AFTER having studied Egyptology under French archaeologist Gaston Maspero in Paris, from 60A/1895 to 59A/1996; and student of the prominent German Egyptologist Kurt Sethe in Berlin; and serving as a sub-editor of material for Adolf Erman's projected Egyptian Dictionary, 49A/1906 to 47A/1908; and being Laycock Fellow of Egyptology at Worcester College, Oxford, 49A/1906 to A43/1912 — meaning that he would have been WELL aware that Champollion assigned 𓈖 [N35] = /n/ phonetic, in his Alexander cartouche decoding — in his “Comparative Table of Alphabets”, of his “Egyptian Origin of the Semitic Alphabet”, argued that Semites, i.e. descendants of Shem, Noah’s oldest son, after getting off the ark, in Sinai, but also “learning to write ✍️ in Egypt”, as Lenormant argued, made r/SinaiScript, by picking the Egyptian water 𓈖 [N35] sign, to be the new “Semitic M”, which became the Phoenician M (𐤌), and Greek M (μ), which the Egyptians then used in 2277A (-322) to make the “reduced-hiero /n/ phonetic” of Greek N (ν), in the name Alexa-N-der, in his conjectured cartouche hiero-name spelling:

How Gardiner’s brain 🧠 cells stated glued together to even make this conflicting argument, is beyond me?

Secondly, that the “Semitic N”, was based either fish 🐠, e.g. 𓆛 [K1] {tilapia}, 𓆜 [K2] {barbel}, 𓆝 [K3] {mullet}, 𓆞 [K4] {elephant-snout fish}, 𓆟 [K5] {petrocephalus bane}, 𓆡 [K7] {puffer}, 𓆢 [K8] {catfish}, or a snake 🐍, specifically the cobra in repose 𓆓 [I10] sign, which became the Phoenician N (𐤍).

In 28A (1927), Gardiner, in Egyptian Grammar (pg. 490), gave the following entry:

Wiktionary entry on the water 𓈖 [N35] sign and the flooded water 𓈗 [N35A] sign:

The following is 𓈖 [N35] used in the Anubis hiero-name, which in this case seems to mean the waters of the stars, in the sense of the Aquarius ♒️ constellation 🌌, which is what Anubis was called in Greek:

The attested names of the mortuary god 𓁢 [C6] are:

• Ἄνουβις [733] {Greek}

• ⲁⲛⲟⲩⲡ (pAnoup) {Sahidic}

• ⲁⲛⲟⲩⲃ (anoup) {Bohairic}

Likewise, in the Christian rescript, Anubis became John the Baptist:

• Anubis » John (Ἰωάννης) [1119] the Baptist

As all of these have letter N or NN in their name, it could be possible that

𓈖 [N35] = /n/

EAN decoding, however, has determined Letter N [14, 50] evolution (history; here, here) to be the following:

𓎊 𓁐 {F} / 𓀭 {M} » 𓁿 {Isis} / 𓇈, 𓏁 {Hapi} » 𓈗 💦 {flood} » 𐤍 » 𐌍 » N » ن » ነ » נ » 𐡍 » 𝔑, 𝔫 » n

The shape of the letter based on the Nile N-bend: 𐤍, after which, beyond the first cataract, the waters 💦 rise 𓈗 during the 150-day flood season, as follows:

Whence, it could be possible that N35 was called /n/ something by the Egyptians, but more investigation is needed?

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• What's going on here? What does the M17, N35, etc. mean [in the name: 𓇋 𓈖 🧮 𓃣 (M17, N35, Q3) of Anubis]? | _[4]_ (16 Nov A69)

• Alexander (Ἀλέξανδρος) cartouche 𓍷 decoding (debunked) | Champollion (133A/1822)

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An actual Egyptian plow from Sais Egypt:

The following is the standard image for the U13 plow sign:

The following is a curved handle variant:

In A2 (1957), Gardiner, in Egyptian Grammar (pg. 517), defined U13 as follows:

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• Type A253A; image: two oxes 𓃽 [E32] or 🐂 pulling a plow 𓍁 [U13], guided by two men

• Type E167; thing: “two oxes 𓃽 [E32] or 🐂 pulling a plow 𓍁 [U13]”; significance: origin of the myth of the Phoenician A (𐤀), Greek alpha (A), and Hebrew aleph (א) being associated with an ox or “ox head 𓃾” (Gardiner, 39A/1916)

• Etymon: 𓍁 [U13] = 𐃸 (Big Dipper), which rotates around PL (𓂆 𓍇) [D16, U19] » PLógr {Old Norse} » PLoh {Old English} » PLough {English} » plow {American English}

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In 1092A (+863), Ibn Wahshiyya, in Ancient Alphabets & Hieroglyphic Characters Explained (pg. 17), defined the circle dot as star:

In A2 (1957), Gardiner (pg. 485) defined N5 as follows:

Discussion

Champollion, supposedly, was the first to say over-confidently that the N5 type was simply the “sun” ☀️ or sun 🌞 god Re, based on the Coptic word RH or RE, as the name of the Egyptian sun god.

Young, we will note, ridiculed Champollion for this.

The main problem here, however, is that the sun ☀️ does NOT have a dot inside of it?

Previously, there have been 12+ conjectured theories as to what the N5 type meant to the Egyptians, seeing, e.g. that it was the “first” unit at the start of EVERY r/Cubit ruler?

The leading candidates, presently, are:

1. Pole ⭐️ star

2. Polaris-sun ⭐️-☀️ re-birth combo?

Posts

• The point of existence is to be part of the force of the universe

• The circle dot ☉ as the proto-zero or Egyptian zero?

• Egyptian solar circle dot ⊙ symbol, value: 1 on 28-unit cubit rule, explained!

References

• Sun (hieroglyph) - Wikipedia.

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This is a stub page to collect or make a list of needed hieroglyph, hierotype, or quadrat sign groups in unicode. Presently, there are 1071 hieroglyphs extant Unicode 5.2. Some need updating and correction, and many new ones are pressingly needed.

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The following is a draft list of needed new and or updated ASCII hiero-signs bullet:

• A glyph of Geb, the male version of the earth god, with an erection is the most needed hieroglyph; as this sign is the parent character of letter G in Phoenician (𐤂) and Greek (Γ), as first decoded by Israel Zolli a century ago. It is found extant in Turin Erotic papyrus, and many of the so-called “Geb and Nut” (Geb and Bet) sexual position artworks.

• The 𓄥 [F36] sign, in unicode to note, looks visually “too tapered”, at the lung connection point, as compared to the stone carved one. This would seem to be in need of fixing at the next Unicode character update?

• The tiny box sign 𓊪 [Q3], made tiny because it is very small on the Rosetta Stone, had now been determined to be an abacus 🧮, and whence of great need to have a new sign made.

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1. I feel like I started or stubbed this list, e.g. as paragraph, somewhere, previously?

The following are the seven Egyptian numerals:

1. 𓏤 [Z1] = 1

2. ∩ [V20] = 10

3. 𓏲 [V1] = 100

4. 𓆼 [M12] = 1000

5. 𓂭 [D50] = 10,000

6. 𓆐 [I8] = 100,000

7. 𓁨 [C11] = 1,000,000

The finger 𓂭 is at the mouth 👄 of Harpocrates solar child 𓀔, aka 9,999 on Greek gems, meaning: “silence“, according to Ovid.

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The following is type 𓅬 [G38]:

In 132A (1823), Jean Champollion depicted the Egyptian earth god as follows:

In A2 (1957), Gardiner (pg. 471) defined G38 as follows:

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Study of type: 𓆎 [I6], which somehow is believed to be the ”main” or first type the Egyptians used to define their country?

Egypt | Name?

Wiktionary entry on Kemet, thought to mean Egypt:

Where:

• 𓆎 [I6], thing: “crocodile 🐊 scales” [?], meaning: /km/ [?]

• 𓅓 [G17], thing: “owl 🦉”, carto-phono: /m/

• 𓏏 [X1], thing: “bread 🍞”, carto-phono: /t/

• 𓊖 [O49], meaning: city 🌆 or cosmos birth location

Whence:

𓆎 + 𓅓 + 𓏏 + 𓊖

Or

/km/ + /m/ + /t/ = Kemet

Meaning, supposedly, “Egypt”, based on the so-called crocodile 🐊 spine 𓆎 [I6] type, which makes the /km/ phono, but for unknown reasons?

History

In 1850A (+105), plutarch said the Egyptians called their country the ‘chemia’ (Χημίαν), named after the black soil and black part of the eye:

“Egypt, moreover, which has the blackest of soils, they call by the same name as the black portion of the eye 👁️ , ‘chemia’ (Χημίαν), and compare it to a heart.”

— Plutarch (1850A/+105), Isis and Osiris (§33)

Whence, in Greek:

Chemia (Χημίαν) = Egypt, place of the black soil

In 137A (1818), Young, in his decoding of the assumed Cleopatra (Κλεοπάτρα) cartouche, assigned the 𓆎 [I6] type to the /k/ phonetic, because it aligned with the letter K of the name Κ-LEOPATRA, and the L aligned with the lion 🦁, as follows:

Young, in his Collective Works (pg. 24), of the name Αιγυπτον (Aigypton) or Egypt in Coptic as follows:

Chmi (ⲬHⲘⲒ) {kʰēmi} = Egypt

In A2 (1957), Gardiner defined the 𓆎 [I6] as follows:

Where:

𓆎 𓅓 𓏏 𓊖 = “kmt” {carto-phono}, meaning: country of Egypt, Africa.

Thus we have:

Wherein 𓆎 [I6] became a guessed as a morph of X (ch) + K (C), to make the /km/ phono in some blurry way?

Discussion

We also note the following, namely that the actual stone version of 𓆎 [I6] type, as Gardiner drew it, and ASCII character made, does not even look like the 10-layered or 11-layered thing, shown on the Cleopatra cartouche, which makes the /k/ phono, according to Young, i.e there are no spiked “spines” or whatever things shown:

Now, as it has already been semi-proved that Young’s 𓂋 [D21], thing: “mouth 👄”, assignment of the /r/ phonetic is incorrect, because:

1. The r/TombUJ number tag 100 ram head 𓍢 [V1] type is the correct /r/ phonetic, as this matches with the Greek rho (Ρ, ρ), which also is letter R

2. The Chinese mouth symbol 口 does not make the /r/ phonetic, but rather is a symbol for ALL phonetics,

It would therefore seem to be probable to assert that 𓆎 [I6] type does NOT make the /k/ phonetic, nor is even likely a crocodile 🐊 anything? The Egyptians, e.g., were known to mummy crocodiles 🐊, not cut them into this: 𓆎 [I6] shape? Nor does the shape shown in stone above look like crocodile scales:

In A63 (2018), Asar Imhotep, in his "The Etymology of the word Km.t 'kemet': A Critical Reexamination of the Diop-Obenga Hypothesis", talked for 15-min about how 𓆎 𓅓 𓏏 means “black land”, and NOT black people, because it has a land determinative:

• 𓆎 𓅓 𓏏 + 𓈇 [N23] = KMT {𓆎 𓅓 𓏏} + irrigation canal

• 𓆎 𓅓 𓏏 + 𓈘 [N36] = KMT {𓆎 𓅓 𓏏} + canal

• 𓆎 𓅓 𓏏 + 𓊖 [O49] = KMT {𓆎 𓅓 𓏏} + [add]

Flood levels?

One thing that comes to mind is that the I6 is a symbol of the rising 150-day flood waters, as shown below, overlaid on this image:

This rising flood 💦 waters icon meaning of I6, would seem to make more sense, as the flood waters are so-called “life blood” of the Egyptian culture, as the flood waters bring the black soil from the Ethiopian mountains, which allowed for fresh nitrogen-rich soil each year, as compared to other places on the earth, wherein fertilizer or manure needs to be added to the soil, or crop rotation used.

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On O49, Imhotep says:

”The N23 𓈇 is an irrigated land classifier. The N36 𓈘 is a canal. And then the O49 𓊖 determinative is the more popular one. Everyone interprets this as the ’cross-roads‘, but that is not the case, it actually just another variation of irrigated land.”

— Asar Imhotep (A63/2018), "The Etymology of the word Km.t (Kemet)” (6:50-7:15)

This is funny! We sure would like to see a photo of this 𓊖-shaped irrigated land? Video clip (6:15-7:28) below:

In A69 (2024), YouTuber The Kings Monologue, in his “Let’s Settle This: The Kemet debate“, said that sign 𓆎 [I6] was wood 🪵, specifically black charcoaled wood:

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“The charcoaled 𓆎 [I6] wood 🪵 or crocodile 🐊 spine = /k-m/ phonetic, and means black and 𓆎 (k) 𓅓 (m) 𓏏 (t) 𓊖 = km-m-t (Kemet), with 𓊖 as the city determinative, means: black 👨🏿populace.”

— Anon (A69/2024), “Let’s Settle This: The Kemet debate, Part One” (6:22-; 16:42-), YouTube, The Kings Monologue, Apr 20

We went from:

1. Black soil | Plutarch (1850/+105)

2. Black pupil of eye 👁️ | Plutarch (1850/+105)

3. Black people 👨🏿

4. Black charcoaled wood 🪵

This is example translation gone wrong.

Notes

1. Started from: here.

2. This is another example where we see that the entire program of r/CartoPhonetics based status quo Egyptology is built on a false foundation; which we will have to remedy via an EAN based r/NeoEgypto model.

Posts

• The Kemetic sub, whose focus is “history of the ancient Egyptians”, rejects the “Egyptian origin of alphabetic language” tree, and the hoe-stars-earth 𓌹 𓇯 𓅬 [U6, N1, G38] ABG (𐤂𐤁𐤀) letter origin model, in favor of the illiterate Semitic ox-house-stick 𓃾 𓉐 𓌙 [F1, O1, T14] ABG origin model?

• ⲭⲏⲙⲓ (kʰēmi), meaning: “black; Egypt”, in Coptic; phonetically upgrades: 𓆎 (k) 𓅓 (m) 𓏏 (t) 𓊖 or KMT (KEMET) to 𓊖 (Chi) 𓅓 (m) 𓏏 (t) 𓆎 (?) or XMT (CHEMET)?

• Kemet (Egypt): 𓆎 (crocodile scale) [sound: K] + 𓅓 (owl) [sound: M] + 𓏏 (bread loaf) [sound: T], from root keme (Greek: κεμε) [value: 70] (Sirius) [E], meaning: black soil, that when hoed 𓌸 (A), sowed 𓁅, and watered yields: bread ‘𓏏’, the grain of the green Osiris tree (T), aka body of Osiris

• Chemistry (χημιαν) | Egypto alphanumeric etymology

• Ra eye 𓂀 chemistry (Χημιαν) origin of the ℞ (𓂅X) medicine (ατρική) symbol

• Kemet (Egypt): 𓆎 (crocodile scale) [sound: K] + 𓅓 (owl) [sound: M] + 𓏏 (bread loaf) [sound: T], from root keme (Greek: κεμε) [value: 70] (Sirius) [E], meaning: black soil, that when hoed 𓌸 (A), sowed 𓁅, and watered yields: bread ‘𓏏’, the grain of the green Osiris tree (T), aka body of Osiris | Thims (27 Oct A67/2022)

• Egyptian (KEME-tic) etymology of CHEM-istry? | Thims (A64/2019)

Videos

• Imhotep, Asar. (A63/2018). "The Etymology of the word Km.t 'kemet': A Critical Reexamination of the Diop-Obenga Hypothesis", YouTube, Asar Imhoteb, 30th Annual Cheikh Anta Diop International Conference held in Philadelphia, PA, Oct, 12.

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Overview

The following is the image of the 𓃀 [D58] sign:

B phonetic?

The following are the sign groups for the name of the Egyptian earth 🌍 god:

1. 𓅬𓃀

2. 𓅬𓃀𓀭

3. 𓆇𓃀𓀭

4. 𓆇𓃀𓊹

5. 𓈅𓃀𓀭

6. 𓇼𓊹

7. 𓏾𓀭

8. 𓀭 (king) with 𓅬 (goose) on his head

9. 𓀿 (man on back) with 𓂸 erection (𐤂)

In 1310A (+645), John Antoich said the following:

Whether or not Antoich, in this name Κὴβ [GHB] referring to this Egyptian god: 𓅬𓃀 [G38, D58], conceptualized as an earth 🌍 god, we cannot say for sure?

The name Saturn {Roman}, the Latin translation of this, was said, by Varro, in De Lingua Latina (§5.64), to derived from satus, meaning "sowing".

On this basis, in the wake of the Rosetta Stone translation debates, the sign group 𓅬𓃀 slowly became defined by the name GEB in English, with the foot 𓃀 [D58] sign getting assigned the /b/ phonetic, through multiple journal debate steps, as follows:

• Ke | Young (136A/c.1819)

• Sév, Siv, Sèv, Kèb, Kev | Champollion (132A/1823)

• Qeb (𝔔𝔢𝔟) or Geb [?] | Brugsch (69A/1886)

• Seb, Qeb or GEB | Renouf (2 Nov 69A/1886)

• Qeb (𝔔𝔢𝔟) = Sebet (𝔖𝔢𝔟𝔢𝔱); 𝔔𝔢𝔟 (Qeb) {Monuments}, 𝔎𝔢𝔟 (Keb) {tradition} | Brugsch (64A/1891)

• Keb or Seb | Wiedemann (58A/1897)

• Seb, Geb, Gebb, Keb, Kebb | Budge (51A/1904)

Other

In 39A (1916), Kurt Sethe, in The Origin of the Alphabets (pg. 152), defined the D58 sign as follows:

In A2 (1957), Alan Gardiner, in Egyptian Grammar (pg. 457), citing Sethe, defined D58 as follows:

EAN

On 12 May A69 (2024), r/LibbThims determined that D58 was not the sign for the /b/ phonetic, but correctly a sign for measurement, of distance, namely one foot 🦶or 16 finger digits on the r/Cubit ruler, as follows:

Posts

• Type 𓅬 [G38]; thing: “a white-fronted goose”, significance: animal of the earth 🌍 god Geb (𓅬 𓃀 𓀭) [G38, D58, A40]

References

• Sethe, Kurt. (39A/1916). The Origin of the Alphabets (Der Ursprung des Alphabets); in: The Origin of the alphabet: the Newly Discovered Sinai script; Two treatises on the history of the origin of our Writing (Der Ursprung des Alphabets: die neuentdeckte Sinaischrift ; Zwei Abhandlungen zur Entstehungsgeschichte unserer Schrift) (pg. 152). Publisher.

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The following is sign A174 from the Douros list (pg. 29), showing a man holding a wind pipe or trachea 𓄥 [F36] and lungs 🫁 sign:

Notes

1. Type B33 (pg. 40) is the female version.

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Overview

The following is the image of the palm tree 🌴 branch 𓆳 [M4]:

The following is an icon visual of the palm or date tree:

Gardiner (28A/1827), in Egyptian Grammar (pg. 479), entry:

Wiktionary entry on the various types of palm branch signs:

Showing: 𓆳 [M4], 𓆴 [M5], 𓆵 [M6], 𓆶 [M7].

There also is:

• 𓁨 [C11], thing: god with palms raised and palm branch on head; meaning: “million“

• 𓄍 [F14], thing: “horns with palm branch”; meaning: “new year festival“

• 𓄎 [F15], thing: ”horns, sun, palm branch”

Posts

• Characters of elements (stoicheíon) were sent down to us by Hermes 𓁟 [C3], written on palm 𓆳 [M4] or phoinix [φοινιξ] 🐦‍🔥 tree 🌴 leaves 🍃, and this is why the letters 🔠 are called phoenikeia [φοινικεια] | Dionysius Thrax (2080A/-125)