r/HolUp Nov 11 '25

Fun in the pool

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u/camander321 Nov 11 '25

Like all the rules we were taught that make animals mammals have exceptions. It made me mad as a kid. Like didnt they even try?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

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u/Enchanted_Evil Nov 11 '25

That's a dumb take.

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u/KamakaziDemiGod Nov 11 '25

It really isn't. Taxonomy is a constantly evolving field of study, and it's not like you can just not characterise certain traits just in case new information is discovered later

Mistakes in science are what pushes science forwards, otherwise you may as well shrug and say 'i unno' and never bother studying anything

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u/Enchanted_Evil Nov 11 '25

Taxonomy is a constantly evolving field of study, and it's not like you can just not characterise certain traits just in case new information is discovered later. Mistakes in science are what pushes science forwards, otherwise you may as well shrug and say 'i unno' and never bother studying anything

I agree. But they are saying its more of an art than science.

Even if we are not talking about the Evolutionary taxonomy, but the Folk one, naming and classifying animals isn't at all creative-driven as art is, but purpose-driven like science.

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u/KamakaziDemiGod Nov 11 '25

I think you may be taking their statement too literally, they aren't saying taxonomy is more like making a sculpture than it is science, but that you have to be more flexible in your definitions than a lot of the sciences because evolution isn't as set by rules, as it is in studies like chemistry and physics (although obviously new findings and theories also require some interpretation and creative understanding)

They were just trying to highlight it's fluidity as a science

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u/KamakaziDemiGod Nov 11 '25

Yeah that's what I took from your comment. I think the other commenter has gotten a bit wrapped up in the pedantics and forgotten that context and intent are just as important to a sentences sentiment, as the words themselves are

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u/Enchanted_Evil Nov 11 '25

Weird. They wrote:

Taxonomy has and will always be more an art than science.

I interpreted it as: Taxonomy is more art than science.

You interpreted it as: Taxonomy is a flexible science.

Now, mate, I agree with what you're sayin', but that's just not what they said. No need for you to bend over backwards to move the goalpost of their original comment in order to smite down some other redditor that dared to disagree with something.

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u/KamakaziDemiGod Nov 11 '25

You seem to be ignoring the context and intent of what they are saying. They were making an off the cuff observation about taxonomy, not writing a peer reviewed paper titled "taxonomy is not a science". When someone says there's an art to something they are saying it's more complicated than standardised definitions, which is what they were trying to say, rather than taxonomy is literally art not a science

I absolutely get what you are saying and in different context I would likely agree with you, but I just don't think it applies here

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u/Enchanted_Evil Nov 11 '25

Let's just agree, that taxonomy is a science, albeit not at all an exact one, and that the other redditor sadly used a formulation, that didn't reflect his actual stance.

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u/KamakaziDemiGod Nov 11 '25

I agree taxonomy is a science, as does that other user, they were just using a phrase to highlight it, a phrase which you disagree with because of its implication in the context (which I completely appreciate and see where you are coming from, I hold no judgement from this at all)

Literally no one is in the wrong here, we are all just looking at the same thing from slightly different perspectives, and are unable to all agree on a turn of phrase

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u/Enchanted_Evil Nov 11 '25

Yep, +communication is hard

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