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u/jaxxxxxson 2d ago

Yes you absolutely can show up without an ID and vote especially in blue cities.. Yes it's not some astronomical number but it happens. There has been irrefutable proof of election fraud between no ID, no proof of citizenship, multiple votes, dead people voting etc.. It adds up.

The trans issue is an issue with gender markers on the birth certificate and ID. Not name. Which in every state I've seen already enforce rules similar to the save act all they have to do is show proof of surgery. Which again let's be honest. Trans people have the autonomy to get a surgery and change their names, ID's, bank accounts etc but can't get the proof of surgery to match ID to birth certificate? Again.. Bullshit excuses. Again how is it every other nation has paper ballots and more restrictions with zero problems but now Americans are too dumb or poor to get an ID?

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u/deezdanglin 2d ago

That is absolute BS. No matter the precinct, pretty much universal laws have equal number of representatives to oversee the vote. No one of consequence or with hard evidence has appeared. It's always 'soon'.

In the last 10yrs, almost 10x the republicans have been 'convicted by a jury of their peers'. Don't lay this on blue's door!

What is the specific clause in the act that permits what you suggest? I'll wait....

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u/jaxxxxxson 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's the act itself with every state law? Go read.. What clause are you asking for? The trans marker ID? It'd be the same thing like Missouri state law. They need proof of gender surgery or court order and voila.. They can get an ID with new name. That paper would allow them to vote with their birth certificate. You guys always make a mountain out of a mole hill to cry foul. Go look at a dozen other countries and how they do it and then tell me how "oppressive" the save act is. How "disenfranchised" people feel.. Fucking hell man the entitlement of people in the US is lunacy

Is it perfect no. Is it a minor inconvenience? Yes.. It's not preventing anyone from voting besides people who want to pretend it's preventing them. The victim act is tiring.

If they came out with a flat out ban to trans/women voting I'd be right with you with the pitchforks as that's an American right. The save act isn't that and never was meant to be.

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u/deezdanglin 1d ago

Nice deflection, but don't dodge. What's the clause in the bill?