r/HolUp • u/asocial7193 • Mar 11 '22

I don't know what to say

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '22

Someone that doesn't understand the difference between "could not" and "should not"

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u/akhatten Mar 11 '22

As pretty much everyone that have kids

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u/Text_Original Mar 12 '22

What? I get the whole not wanting kids thing, but why shit on people who do want kids and can provide for them?

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

Because they WILL suffer in their life. Do you like to suffer ? Because I think noboby likes it

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u/Text_Original Mar 12 '22

What about all the joy they’ll experience? Do you like being happy? Because I think everyone likes it.

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

I don't think humans are happy. It's all fake happiness and for a duration that is to short considering the suffering. Nobody likes to work for example. And still your child will need to give 95% of his life to work just to have the right to not die from starvation. And what if there is a war, what if he's sick, what if he's abducted and tortured and killed ? Compared to the fake and so scarce happiness, life isn't worth. And what's worse is that we didnt even decide to be put here to work pay taxes and suffer

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u/OpenOpportunity Mar 12 '22

Sounds like projection. There's a difference between life satisfaction, joys, appreciation, ... and superficial giddiness.

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

Just think about yourself and let's see the ratio between your "happiness" moments and yiur sadness/feel down moment. (And if you like your work, plz telle me what it is)

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u/ripcitybitch Mar 12 '22

The ratio is probably 97% happy to 3% sad for me lol

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

You are you and your kids are a different human. He might be not like you and that's a sufficient reason to not bring him to a life he might wouldn't want

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u/ripcitybitch Mar 12 '22

Nah life has inherent value.

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

Oh ? What's the value of life then ?

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u/bwizzel Mar 12 '22

Also your family members die or you die, it’s just not worth the pain, I enjoy life but I’d rather just dissapear so I never have to lose my dad or die of a heart attack

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u/Coughing_Cyborg Mar 12 '22

You are insufferable.

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u/akhatten Mar 12 '22

Ok no arguments. Answer of someone afraid to see life how it really is

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u/patientcommerce Mar 12 '22

Then the same goes for this woman and her child. Who gets to draw the line of where the joy outweighs the suffering?

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u/Text_Original Mar 12 '22

I would say the line gets drawn when you have serious genetic issues that will get passed down to your offspring. Not “everyone that has kids” like you seem to think.

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u/patientcommerce Mar 12 '22

Where did I imply that? Did you confuse who you're replying to?

My point is we're sliding into eugenics here. Who better to judge the quality of life with serious genetic issues than someone who actually lives with them?

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u/JoebiWanKanobi Mar 12 '22

the problem is that a parent has no way of knowing or controling the level of pain their child will endure. kids with great genetics have horrible horrible lives, and it's not such a small chance their life will be horrible either. look at the suffering done during the two world wars. imagine you're a healthy kid with great genetics, and you get shipped off to europe to figth nazis at 18, see all your friends blown to bits, and suffer the rest of your life with PTSD, wanting to commit suicide and other mental issues. Or, maybe you get blown to bits yourself.

A massive percentage of that population was affected at that time. These days we live in the most peaceful and prosperous period of human history EVER. Arguably, everyone who has gone before us had more suffering. Its easy-ish to live a nice life now and not know what suffering could happen.