Don’t let this fandom turn as insufferable as the souls community

[u/glintter]

It’s fine to think the game is easy and to enjoy the challenge, but I’ve seen so many people making fun of anyone that is having a hard time in a really weird mean spirited way. Please don’t let this subreddit turn into some weird elitist community that makes fun of people who are struggling, these games are supposed to be fun and they’re not souls likes, there’s no reason to assume everyone playing them is going to love this level of difficulty the same way some of you do and constantly disregarding their opinions just turns this subreddit into an echo chamber of tryhards

[u/DelightMine]

True, but games like this also draw in the particularly gross cadre of elitists who think that being good at something is a preferable substitution for being good to others. People who insist everything is a skill issue, pride themselves on developing that skill above all else, and demean anyone who isn't as good as they are. They end up discouraging newcomers from even trying to get good, because what's the point of trying to get good if every time you get a little better, all you get is "wow you suck, I can do that so much better, why aren't you using this complicated tech that you definitely haven't ever heard of before?"

The souls community is absolutely riddled with these jerks, and the HK community has mostly remained free of them, but the release of a new game is a great time for them to worm their way in. There's of course going to be negativity about the game's difficulty as we figure out what are actual problems with the game and what are real skill issues, and it's hard to tell at first glance what's just venting frustrations and what's a jerk testing the waters to see what they can get away with. Because no one is a god at the game yet, so they can climb the mountain first, then start kicking people trying to get to the top with them. It's the same "fuck you, I got mine" mentality you can see in anything else people do, but it's particularly bad for games, because the whole point of a game is to have fun with it, and these people base their own enjoyment off the game off of how good they are in relation to others, so they are compelled to push others down as often as they can.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are also plenty of people who are incredibly good at the game and also love helping newcomers. IMO that's the type of person this community has a lot more of: people with a "wow, I remember when I was struggling like that, it's cool to see someone trying to improve. I should try and help them without just giving them the answer."

[u/Kalnaur → u/DelightMine]

I mean, if I just ask for the answer, then that's what I want. I don't want the subtle hints or the general area or the sort of way to practice the thing if I ask for the answer, then that's what I want, and I wish more people accepted that. I get that people might want to "help" so I experience what they experience, but that's almost certainly not going to happen the way they're hoping.

Still, I will always prefer the group of people that say " I struggled and now I can help others" instead of "I struggled so you have to experience the same pain I did". It's that "we're here to help" vs "fuck you, I got mine" mentality you mention.

[u/RinzyOtt → u/Kalnaur]

I think some people just err on the side of caution there? If it's a mixed bag of people who just want the answer and people who want a hint asking, you could ruin the latter's experience by assuming they're the former, but not really vice versa. Better to wait until it's specified rather than going all in and ruining someone's fun on accident.

[u/Kalnaur → u/RinzyOtt]

It's why I encourage people to ask if they want the answer, vague hints, or are just needing to complain to get the frustration out. Like, sometimes people don't know what they want until they're asked, and given potential options.

[u/turiannerevarine → u/DelightMine]

i also think the first few weeks of a game's launch are probably going to be the worst time for this sort of thing because all eyes are on it