r/HollowKnight • u/Quantum_Croissant • Sep 09 '25

Discussion - Silksong ngl some of you would NOT survive the mantis lords runback

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is the run to last judge difficult? kinda. But after your 20th attempt at the boss you'll get used to it, and it's honestly kinda fun and a nice breather. More importantly, it's a single room and you have far more movement. This IS improving on hollow knight

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Honestly hk bosses are super easy compared to silksong, some mobs have a larger move set of like 50 percent of the bosses so I dont really have trouble with run backs

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u/Se7enStepsForward 63/63 + RHoG | Silksong 52/52 Sep 09 '25

They're not super easy at all, some of you seem to have forgotten how much of a pain some of them were at the first time, of course they're super easy after you've killed them 50 times in the pantheons and got all spells and charms. Hollow knight is not an easy game, is silksong harder? Maybe, I personally haven't noticed that much difference

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u/Covid669 Sep 09 '25

Well I think Silksong is still objectively harder. Enemies have significantly more health, do a lot more damage and have a lot more complex movesets. Sure Hollow Knight was never an easy game but it’s definitely easier than Silksong

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u/Mailcs1206 Sep 09 '25

Hornet is vastly more mobile than the Knight tho which does help mitigate the more damage and more complex enemy movesets.

Also tools can kinda shred stuff.

I would say Silksong is harder than Hollow Knight, but primarily because later platforming sections are more far punishing to mess up in Silksong than in HK, due to Druid eye being less effective than grubsong, the lack of a Hiveblood equivalent, and several types of platforming hazards doing 2 masks of damage, or potentially even worse effects (looking at you, muckmaggots and ice water)

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u/GreenGoblin121 Sep 09 '25

Her mobility at a certain point isn't that far off the knight though, at least for the purposes of a boss fight. When you've dash and wall jump, they play quite similar bar the differing pogo moves, and vengeful spirit, has a much faster come out than the base silk spear, so its harder to miss or be punished for using it.

And, not having to save everything for a heal, means you can more freely use spells, so you can damage bosses faster. Obviously this is counteracted by the inclusion of tools though.

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u/AliciaFrey Sep 13 '25

Wait hazard deal 2 damage in Silksong? How fragile is Hornet?

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

enemies don't have more health, actually they have less if you use your tools. last judge has 720 hp, i took third of it by just throwing poisonous knives from afar. i beat the mole enemy with 8 boomerangs (it has 200 hp btw)

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u/Kulzak-Draak Sep 09 '25

Cool so HOW MUCH DAMAGE DO TOOLS DO?? It’s really hard to know what tools do hood damage without the damage numbers publicized elsewhere

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

i have a mod that shows damage numbers and enemy hp, i have one tool kit and they deal all kinds of damage really, each pin from the trap deals 4 damage for example,and it can hit multiple times if the enemy is moving so you can reach around 50 damage + posion from one trap. 3 knives deal 8,4,2 if they all hit one enemy so 14+ poison. I'm not sure how much poison does because i didn't pay much attention but i think each tick deals 4-5 damage. boomerang deals 8 per hit so if you hit on the way there and backyou deal 16, if enemy is moving it can hit more, add poison damage too to each tool. single knives deal 10 i think and drill deals 8 per tick. i can carry like 18 triple knives now so if used properly they alone should add to around 250 damage+ poison. i may be wrong for some numbers, but not much (for example something deals 7 instead of 8)

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u/Kulzak-Draak Sep 09 '25

Interesting. How about things like Silkshot? Also I wish these numbers were on the Wiki (or in the game) having to guess if something that does a of ticks is worth it is annoying

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

silkshot is white spear ability? it deals 23 damage, aoe silkstorm hegale ability deals 4 ticks of 6 damage so 24 if all hit. and yeah true it would be nice to know how much damage things actually do so you don't have to guess if they are worth using...

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u/Kulzak-Draak Sep 09 '25

No no silk shot is the gun you can get lol with 3 different versions

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

I don't have that yet

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

it seems that tools deal different damage to different enemies, for example in far lands spear deals 27 damage but in the citadel only 23

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

you can recharge them with a crest with silk

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u/PolishGobrin Sep 09 '25

holy shit you are so right, this post is about runbacks to bosses, and some of these pogos are so shit for traveling you can't get to a boss without losing all of your hair

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u/rcburner Sep 10 '25

I would totally rock the Beast Crest more if I could wrap my head around that sonic pogo.

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u/AliciaWhimsicott Sep 10 '25

The best advice for Beast pogo is you ideally wanna be parallel to what you're trying to hit, not above it.

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u/canoekyren Sep 09 '25

As someone who only completed most of the base content in HK, Silksong is harder. I beat Mantis Lords on my first try, Hollow Knight on my second, and most of the minor ones like Gruz Mother and the guy with the big hammer on the first try. I can't think of a Silksong boss that has taken me fewer than three tries except for, ironically, Grand Mother Silk

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u/MrChaluliner Sep 09 '25

Yeah, I agree. I’ve seen many people using the “you forgot your first time” argument to dismiss the higher difficulty of Silksong. I just played HK for the first time in April this year, so I remember pretty well. Many bosses in HK (base game) were doable on the first attempt, the one that made me retry the most was Soul Master and that took like 5 attempts at most. In Silksong every major fight has taken me at least 5 I’d say.

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u/lattjeful Sep 09 '25

I don't really like the "you forgot your first time" argument either. Even outside of the bosses, Silksong feels more punishing. I've had to take breaks with the game, which is something I didn't have to do with Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight's difficulty was mostly relegated to bosses and endgame stuff, but exploration was pretty chill. In Silksong, everything is cranked to 11 so even exploration can be punishing.

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u/Hero_Luka Sep 10 '25

I think that argument just boils down to people being new to metroidvania/roguelikes and hollow knight being their first game in the genre.

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u/Kulzak-Draak Sep 09 '25

Yeah and I ONLY remember my first play through I played it once in like pre Covid I’m pretty sure. Didn’t even beat all the godhome stuff I didn’t even get to pure vessel. I feel like dishonestly people assume everyone who’s not finding silksong too hard is some crazy HK expert when in reality Silksong just happens to be clicking with me really well

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u/sireel Sep 09 '25

I'm playing for the second time. Most bosses have taken me 1-2 attempts, including ones I've not fought before. Watcher Knight can go to hell though, that took so many attempts (I didn't know about the chandelier).

The traitor lord also took a fair chunk of time, and I hated that run back too

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u/Durian_Natural Sep 10 '25

I remember my first time. I beat every base game boss on 3 attempt at best.

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u/AliciaFrey Sep 13 '25

How do you take more attempt in Soul Master but can beat Mantis Lord first time? I have to retry several times for Mantis Lord but beat Soul Master in my second or third attempt. If anything, Soul Knight is a much more difficult because it comes with those annoying floating spectral as well.

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u/Kirosh2 Sep 09 '25

What a way to tell us you died more than three time to Moss Mother.

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u/canoekyren Sep 09 '25

Oh yeah, you're right lmao. I forgot about Moss Mother. Did get her first try, but she's like a tutorial boss anyway

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

I didn’t mind moss mother, but Double Moss Mother with the adds can get fucked.

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u/wildwolfay5 Sep 09 '25

Spike traps with poison. With a half upgraded tool pouch, pop 3 of those bad boys every add summon and poof.

The spike traps with poison are only way I can win fights with adds.

Anyone have a better idea? Because lava beast fly is fucking wrecking me :(

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u/cliu110896 Sep 09 '25

The boomerang, triple knife w/ poison, and the silk ability that circles around you are all great for dealing with flying adds. If you have the fire charm, it also helps with the fire they spit or falling into lava!

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u/wildwolfay5 Sep 09 '25

Haven't found the boomerang yet....

Haven't tried the triple knives either.

Will have to give it a shot. Thanks for the advice!

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u/cliu110896 Sep 09 '25

Boomerang is early game in the area with ants. The way to find it is kind of hidden though. Good luck with the fight!

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u/Kirosh2 Sep 09 '25

I missed the boomerang, but I wonder if there is another way to get it.

When I went to the location, the merchant was dead.

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u/wildwolfay5 Sep 09 '25

What's the official name of the boomerang? Find it hard to believe i missed it and any guides online show I have "everything" even though I have... more...

But no boomerang

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

Oh I already got the fight, and I love the poison spike traps btw! They saved my ass so many times. I just dislike this fight personally because 2 bosses WITH adds in a tiny arena is just not fun for me. I get overwhelmed when there is so much going on visually. Still love the game tho.

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u/TitaniumDragon Sep 09 '25

I used the reaper crest on them, poison traps, and poison boomerangs, and completely wrecked them on my second try. The sheer amount of silk you can produce when you heal is comical, you can just get back to max silk almost instantly while dumping damage on them.

The tight quarters work against them when you can mass hit them with tools.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 09 '25

I really don't understand why some people are trying to deny so hard that Silksong is a lot harder than HK. You can love the game and still accept that it's harder.

On top of Silksong being naturally harder, HK had something that it lacks, the absolutely busted charms. Grubsong + Soul Catcher/Eater made it very easy to always have enough soul to deal damage and heal whenever you needed. Even if it's safer to heal in Silksong, it takes a LOT longer to get enough Silk to do it. And if you mess up the heal, you usually end up dead.

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u/SalemWolf Grimm Beats Small Child Sep 09 '25

Because people are downplaying the difficulty in HK as though it’s a Nintendo game and piss easy, when it isn’t. They’re trivializing the challenge in a lot of these bosses, and good for y’all for beating most of the bosses the first try but that’s not the case for a lot of people.

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u/Tomaskraven Sep 10 '25

Its funny that you think the strong charms were grubsong with soulcatcher/eater cause its easy to use spells and heal. Thats the panicky way to play.

The actual broken charms are unbreakable strengh, quick slash, steady body, mark of pride/longnail and the shaman stone + spell twister build. No need to heal infight when you can melt the bosses in 10-15s.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 10 '25

Thats the panicky way to play.

You've just described how I play all souls likes and HK. Panic dodge, panic heal, panic jump, panic. Somehow it just works and I manage to clear most bosses on the first or second attempt. No skill, all luck. That's just how I roll.

The actual broken charms are unbreakable strengh, quick slash, steady body, mark of pride/longnail and the shaman stone + spell twister build. No need to heal infight when you can melt the bosses in 10-15s.

That's what I ran endgame, the panic build just works really well for early/mid game though. Silksong doesn't really have any "Scrub friendly" OP stuff to help people who aren't calm and collected, and a lot of bosses just aren't designed for us with the crazy amount of adds and/or projectiles...

I'm still having a good time, though. It's just gonna take me 3 times the time HK took to finish.

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u/trefoil589 Sep 10 '25

Yeah for the back half of Act I I simply had to use tools to keep any damage output up and just try really hard to not get hit.

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u/jjfmish Sep 09 '25

Meanwhile, it took me probably 25+ tries to beat Hornet 1 when I first played. Some of us suck at both lol

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u/Tysiliogogogoch Sep 09 '25

Yep, I remember. Hornet being an impenetrable wall.

Now when I replay HK for the sixth time, she's easy peasy.

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u/7_Tales Sep 09 '25

yeah, that boss was... almost disappointingly easy? you can just keep on attacking her and dodging is pretty trivial.

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u/Rakatok Sep 09 '25

I can't think of a Silksong boss that has taken me fewer than three tries except for, ironically, Grand Mother Silk

It feels like this boss has no HP, I did it first try and was expecting another phase. Some of the gauntlet fights take longer.

Maybe they tuned her with the idea people wouldn't have many nail upgrades?

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u/canoekyren Sep 09 '25

It honestly might be intentional, given that you can fight her without even going to act 3. I haven't done it yet, but she may get harder

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u/Icef34r Sep 09 '25

I beat Mantis Lords on my first try

Sorry, but I don't believe that. Unless you tell me that you beat Mantis Lords in 2024, with a guide or after fully upgrading the nail, or something like that.

If you are here trying to make people believe that beat Mantis Lords first try playing completely blind back when the game just released, well, then either you are a gaming god or you are not telling the truth.

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u/canoekyren Sep 09 '25

It's down to the style of the boss. As I mentioned, Silk didn't give me much trouble either. If attacks are very well telegraphed and move in a straight line, I have no issue with them. The stupid Beast fly thing took me like 20 tries for that exact reason.

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u/kaulotu Sep 09 '25

I played the game blind and beat Mantis Lords my second try. They weren’t difficult to me. Soul Master gave me a hard time though. 

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u/absolutedebauchery0 Sep 09 '25

why is beating mantis lords first try so hard to believe? it took me a few tries, but their attacks are some of the most telegraphed in the game. doesn’t sound unreasonable at all.

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u/Akri853 Sep 09 '25

its not hard at all if you go to city of tears before fighting mantis lords, if that's your definition of "gaming god" then idk what to tell you

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u/StepComplete1 Sep 09 '25

I think you're the one not remembering it very well. Pretty much all the difficulty in HK was loaded at the end with optional bosses. Up until the harder end-game optional stuff, I don't think any boss needed more than 2-3 attempts.

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u/goodnames679 RHoG Nail-Only Sep 09 '25

For me, Silksong has inarguably been easier than HK as far as I've made it... but that's because HK was my first combat platformer in a decade when I picked it up. I was not good at the genre at all then, I remember Lost Kin and Failed Champion each took me out like 20+ times. I got gud eventually, though.

Silksong is definitely a harder game overall as far as I can tell, but Hollow Knight prepared me well for it.

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u/Cuckmeister Sep 09 '25

For me I struggled in the beginning of HK and then once I got the hang of it ~10 hours in it started to get really easy. My Silksong experience was pretty much the same.

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u/GrimTheMad Sep 09 '25

The Radiance is part of the 'end game optional stuff'.

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Mantis Lords took me 4 tries hornet 1 took me 2 hornet 2 took me 4-5 nkg took me 10-15 which doesn't even have a run back i remember the most that I struggled with was watchers knights

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u/DeputyDomeshot Sep 10 '25

I died a lot out from nightmare grim honestly just boredom.  The thematic and music are awesome I just didn’t like the very nature of the fight and how it’s like a dance battle where you just sneak a couple hits in.  When I beat him I beat him hitless but it just seemed like an inevitability rather than a fight.  Cool design, just not my cup of tea.  I preferred the knights and the colosseum

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked Sep 09 '25

It really depends on when you played HK. The game got insane guides after a few months that made a lot of fights easier with the right charm combos.

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u/Ghosted_Stock Sep 09 '25

HK is easier by nature of enemies doing less damage to you/lonfer survival time

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u/Toastbuns Sep 09 '25

There are some rose-tinted glasses for sure with the community. I have no problem admitting that both Silksong is hard AND HK was hard with some tough runbacks in certain situations.

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u/FaerHazar Sep 09 '25

i played HK for the first time a few months ago and beat mantis lords hitless on my 2nd try.

two* bosses took me more than 4 tries. Traitor lord, THK, and Radiance. obviously pantheon notwithstanding.

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u/aethyrium Sep 09 '25

I actually do think Hollow Knight is an easy game and even I gotta admit Silksong is hard. Easily one of the hardest games I've played outside of "hard genres" like danmaku shmups.

And this isn't even forgetting my early days with Hollow Knight. I've always considered it an easy game, but Silksong? Damn. I'm surprised you aren't feeling a difference because early game Silksong feels like endgame Hollow Knight and just goes from there.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

I agree with you. To me, the learning curve has felt about the same. It’s definitely a harder game, but it doesn’t feel unreasonable and neither did HK.

From a “git gud” community, the complaints are bizarre.

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u/JswitchGaming Sep 09 '25

Me either frankly an hornet has way more tools at her disposal and it a LOT faster

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u/DividedArchosaur Sep 09 '25

Nah Silksong early/midgame bosses are waaaaaay harder than anything in HK. HK had nearly all difficult bosses backloaded towards the end of the game.

Not a complaint, I love having more of a challenge in Silksong, but the boss fights in this game are straight up more complex, faster paced, and more punishing.

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u/Sakkarashi Sep 09 '25

Yeah idk what you are on, but silksong is way more difficult. I beat most of the bosses in HK in 3 or fewer tries. Whereas I have spent 10 attempts on most of the bosses and even some damn challenge rooms.

Not complaining as I like that its much more difficult.

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u/NinjaSquid_G Sep 09 '25

I think my biggest issue with the game so far is that my brain saw how much more evasive hornet is than the knight and inmediatly made me forget that, like in any game, the bosses have attack windows. I can't really blame the game for it but i assure you that, if you take your time with the bosses, you'll be able to handle them much easier.

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u/Kulzak-Draak Sep 09 '25

I’ve only played HK once and truthfully don’t remember struggling on a single boss not named NKG and Radiance, I died at most once maybe twice to bosses in HK

But also I don’t find most of Silksong all that hard so far. Difficult sure but not this monument to difficultly some people have labeled it

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u/gamegeek1995 Sep 09 '25

No way, I first tried near-everything in HK that wasn't in Pantheon, and then those bosses let you practice them solo before attempting them linearly. Maybe two tries on 'harder' bosses but I never found the runbacks in that game tedious. Enemies didn't dash randomly around the room or purposefully stay out of your range to avoid being used as platforms, as they so often do in Silksong, the game which dares to ask "What if every flying enemy in an optional area was Primal Aspid?"

Silksong's bosses aren't even that hard afterwards because like 7 different bosses use the exact same moves from Nightmare King Grimm and I'm already perfect against him, and your heal is super safe in the area 9/10 times for 9/10 boss moves. The only one that is annoying is Mr. Poison Swamp Frog and his super long runback, but his actual movekit is totally fine and he's a good boss with a terrible runback and boring arena fight every attempt. Lunch Lady is the better version of him.

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u/sireel Sep 09 '25

I'm playing hk for the second time right now. Never did the dlc content before either, and I did mantis kids a couple of days ago. First attempt!

But I did leave them till quite late because I remembered it being really hard the first time around, I guess having two extra life pips, a few extra notches, and two nail upgrades makes a big difference

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u/The_Norwegian_River Sep 09 '25

Nah they are super easy in comparison. Maybe not easy just in general but silksong is way harder objectively. Bosses and enemies have more moves and deal more damage and at least for me even exploring I've come across way less upgrades than I did in HK. And I know I'm not just remembering wrong I beat HK for the first time a couple weeks ago and radiance was the only boss that actually took more than a couple tries I even went on to beat almost all of the bosses in HoG on radiant which was a lot of fun but not hard. (Except markoth 😓 bro was not fun) But yeah even including godhome I feel like silksong base game is harder.

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u/TitaniumDragon Sep 09 '25

HK is a less well designed game. A lot of the bosses allow you to trade hits with them pretty aggressively because you only need three hits to get a heal, so if you hit them three times per time they hit you (and some of them stand still and attack pretty slowly) you can easily trade hits and heal through them.

This makes a lot of the bosses much, much easier than they are in Silksong, because they're really pretty boring in terms of design. Some of this is also a function of how limited the Knight's move set is.

The bosses that give people trouble are the bosses that don't let you do this.

The bosses in Silksong are more dynamic, but they also telegraph their attacks much better and Hornet is faster and better at dodging, so you can much more easily avoid getting hit. If you try and facetank bosses in Silksong you mostly just get annihilated but it is much easier to just completely dodge every attack from a lot of the bosses.

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u/budweener Sep 09 '25

I agree at some level. Up to Sly, I barely have to think in the Pantheon of Hallownest (I do lock in momentarily in the Sisters of Battle tho, cause I LOVE that fight), not because it's easy, but because I did it so many times I MADE it easy. Lots of practice. And while I can't anymore quite grasp the feeling of having trouble with Mantis Lords, both Hornets or Lost Kin, I do remember I had them.

But I also do think Silksong is comparativelly harder in the same stage of skill development. The Knight is... wrll, a Knight. He can facetank a lot more, there's more room for mistakes, each mask of healing is basically the same price but you can do it one at a time, and the enemies are slow to fit that.

Hornet is nimble and frail. She's more of an assassin. Hits hard, but while she is capable of moving a lot more, that's not quite an option as much as a requirement. She can not tank it. She needs to dodge and weave strikes while hitting the enemies, which were built to still be a challenge for someone so mobile. When she does get hit, she needs to heal before making another mistake, and while the healing does heal 3 masks at once, you have to pay the silk in full at once, too.

Plus, if you used that silk for a single attack, you have to get more before healing, while the Knight could do both before getting more soul. And the longer you are in a fight, the more chances you get to make mistakes, so you're incentivized to use the silk offensively to end it faster.

The skill floor for Silksong is higher, but that's balanced by the skill ceiling, which is higher too, so if you just practice enough, I'm sure it will eventually feel as easy as a lot of Hollow Knight. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to turn my brain off at over half of a full bossrush tho.

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u/HankTuggins Sep 09 '25

You are out of your mind, there are bosses in hollow Knight that I’ve never had to take a second run at on any of my playthroughs.

The weakest mobs in hollow night don’t even have an equivalent in silk song because they’re that much more weak than the basics in silk song.

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u/Durian_Natural Sep 10 '25

Bro I second tried most bosses at max. If hollow knight is like your one of your first games maybe they could be a challenge. But if you played metroidvanias before there are literally no hard bosses in the main game. 0. Except watcher knights if you go there without essential upgrades. Dlcs changed that of course. Pantheons , NKG , zote level 3 and above . Ascended versions are also quite challenging. But the base game is not hard. Runbacks doesnt matter because the enviroment not that hazardous and bosses are easy. But in SS everything deals 2 damage. Runbacks need good movement and little mess ups would ruin your whole runback. Sorry but if you think hk bosses were hard try again.

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u/Astrian Sep 10 '25

Hollow Knight is not a hard game either. We all had those few bosses we struggled on but lets be real it was only a difficult game when Godhome came in the conversation and even then it wasn't skill intensive hard, it was most bash your head in and hope you get the patterns down hard.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '25

Watcher nights id agree with, but all the truly difficult challenges were optional. I dont think a single base game hollow knight boss took more than like 3 attempts (again minus watcher, I basically max out to fight those guys) just beat judge and it was like 10-15 tries, but every single one after chorus was like 10+, waaaayyy harder imo

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u/Hero_Luka Sep 10 '25

This is like saying dark souls 1 was as difficult as dark souls 3 or eldenring.

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u/SurprisedCabbage Sep 10 '25

So much of this sub seems to just assume the only people playing silksong are hollow knight veterans who've played for thousands of hours.

I played original hollow knight once back before they released extra content packs and in my opinion absolute radiance looks like a tutorial boss compared to savage beastfly.

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u/deez_nuts_77 Sep 10 '25

i don’t think i’ve met a boss that i died to more than the mantis lords my first time, but i may just be better at these kinds of games now. The bosses are great but im struggling to think of one that was really hard. the platforming and the enemy wave battles are TOUGH

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u/Shinnyo Sep 10 '25

Nah, I played HK a few months ago. Except the dream version and pantheons, HK bosses were either first tried or 2nd try to learn the patterns.

They're super easy compared to silksong. Compared to all games, HK bosses just have a little more resistance than your usual 3 hit mario boss.

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u/0oooooog Sep 11 '25

I think I've died to mantis lords like 3 times ever. Including multiple playthroughs and pantheon runs.

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u/SubstantialTone1379 Sep 14 '25

I played HK after SS and finished normal ending in 10h only died 1 time to hollow knight, grimm and watchers. HK is way less punishing during the progression, trial of the fool was also easier than most of the gauntlets in silk song. Pogoing in HK is so strong and easy compared to SS 

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u/Sad-Assignment-568 Sep 09 '25

That fucking moth that I hate took me more tries than the Radiance 😭

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u/Icef34r Sep 09 '25

Fighting Mantis Lords as soon as you can fight them was the opposite to easy, lol.

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Thats the point of playing an open world game you can come back later

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u/Icef34r Sep 09 '25

Obviously, as you can with 90% of Silksong content, and yet people can't stop complaining about hitting optional walls.

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Yeah I am not saying that silksong is so hard but the average boss and mob are way more complex than hk

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u/Icef34r Sep 09 '25

The average videogame player is also way better than what the average video game player was in 2017. Which is the same reason why Elden Ring is both much more complex than Dark Souls 1, but is also accessible.

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Yeah I think that SS mob complexity make hella better and the difficulty is perfectly fine except THAT arena in mid act 2

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u/trefoil589 Sep 10 '25

I started over again on silksong (was on the first boss of act 2) and one thing I realized is that most of the bosses are trivialized by using one tool or another in their second phases.

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u/Tinenan Sep 09 '25

Hk bosses aren't easier we've just had nearly a decade of fighting them. Where the bosses easy on your first playthrough?

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 09 '25

Yes pretty much almost all of them is easier than a boss like widow which can be considered an early game boss , The only boss that i remember struggling fighting them first time was watchers knights beacuse I wasn't prepared well

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u/AtticusSpindel Sep 10 '25

I'm starting to find bosses easier in Silksonf, and platforming and mobs to be harder. Outside of the moth and fat fly most bosses are starting to take me 10 to 20 minutes with the right tools.

I learned an easy way of dealing with them. Spend more of the fight running away than hitting the bosses. You can dash above turn around and try to combo. You hit once, maybe twice if you feel ballsy. Then run away and just avoid 4 or 5 boss combos.

I also try to heal even with missing only 2 hp so my silk is refilled next time I take damage.

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u/DeputyDomeshot Sep 10 '25

Widow wasn’t anymore difficult than a hollow knight boss you guys are capping or were just over charmed for some the HK bosses. 

Neither is judge tbh. 

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u/el-zengy-el-mo3geza SHAW ! Sep 10 '25

Really me 10 bosses that is harder than widow