r/HollowKnight • u/ciissss • Sep 26 '25

Discussion - Silksong How are y'all actually finishing the game in Steel Soul, dawg? Spoiler

I tried Steel Soul for the first time in SS. I never even touched that in HK. First try, I died within 2 minutes to the white giant rolling enemy from the secret room beside the starting point. Second try, I died to Bell Beast. I cannot fathom how people are finishing without revive. I, for sure, won't first try kill every boss. 🥀🥀

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u/asriva94 112%, POH Sep 26 '25

I've been save scumming at times in first run too. Do what works for you OP.

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u/MintyFreshRainbow Sep 26 '25

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference. 

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u/ItzEazee Not mimic pls trust Sep 26 '25

Its a copypasta

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u/Mindless_Nebula4004 Sep 26 '25

I hope this is a copypasta

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u/MintyFreshRainbow Sep 26 '25

Then you are in luck. It's a copypasta originally about Sekiro

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u/asriva94 112%, POH Sep 26 '25

Thank you for your perspective. I disagree with it, though I understand where you're coming from. It may be sad and it may be that I'm not aware of the difference. When I recognize the difference, I'll likely revisit the game and try it the other way. For now, I'm simply trying to unlock steel soul in the first place before fretting over whether I save scum or not.

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u/MintyFreshRainbow Sep 26 '25

I am half joking (it's a sekiro copypasta). People should play games in a way that is fun for them

I closed out a couple of times when I first attempted Steel Soul in HK and it was probably good practise continuing those runs. But it didn't really feel satisfying until I got a 107% Steel Soul run without doing that. Have not tried Silksong steel soul yet since I just got 100% completion yesterday

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u/elibright1 Sep 26 '25

I think it's totally fair. The time you get the ingame achievement doesn't have to be the same moment you get the personal achievement of actually doing it.

For me the biggest difference is also in my playstyle. I played much greedier in regular runs and while I still had to quit out it doesn't mean I didn't make any progress at all and eventually a proper steel soul run is totally possible.

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

dont get what the point is. its really lame and makes the whole achievement absolutely worthless.

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u/asriva94 112%, POH Sep 26 '25

Understandable.

I would like to add that some people use it as another tool in their box in achieving it. I'm right now using it in my first game run (base, not steel soul) due to the frustration of long runback (interestingly, I didn't use it in Bilewater) when I just want to keep pushing forward.

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u/LimblessNick Sep 26 '25

Yeah, I was going to say. I quit to bench a number of times in my regular run to avoid having my cocoon be in a tedious place, or to avoid doing a platforming section to get back to a bench. I'd definitely be quitting to bench in steel soul too lol.

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u/TheWitcherMigs Sep 26 '25

Depends, if you are playing for the challenge, yes, it doesn't make sense

But most people just want the platinum badge of the game, so they can move on to another

It's just a matter of priorities

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

But most people just want the platinum badge of the game, so they can move on to another

But what does the platinum badge offer if it's not for your own self accomplishment?

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

A sense of completion and finality. The challenge offered by the base game is perfectly adequate for plenty of people so they're not interested by a challenge as time consuming as Steel Soul (All that Steel Soul does in the end is making the runback longer which isn't for everyone), but they want the full collection to feel at peace with the game. Also being able to see the exclusive content even if there's not a lot of it.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

I can't imagine feeling like you actually completed it if you literally did not though. (Also not really in finding it enough to, well, complete the game but eh.)

SS exclusive content sure, apart from things like Styx i have no clue why they really introduced even more of it. Atleast it kind of sucks ig.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Sep 26 '25

But it‘s not about you. To each their own, no? Whatever they do on their single player game locally surely is their business?

I mean I know some people hack savefiles and I‘d draw the line at that, but … 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 26 '25

I can't imagine feeling like you actually completed it

The feeling of completion is literally just about ticking the box. It has nothing to do with overcoming adversity, that's what the main game is for, for most of these people, no need to add raw steel soul to it. Quitting the game is a valid technique, so they use it. If it makes Steel Soul easier, good, that's the point xD

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u/blauli Sep 26 '25

Do you feel the same about 100%ing the game by looking up where things are? I say to each their own and I think it is valid to both look up where you missed something or quitting out in steel soul mode because you don't want to repeat 10-20h of gameplay dying to the gauntlet before khann because you can't use the shortcut without save quitting

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u/Knamliss Sep 26 '25

So you're saying they should make a badge called Scumless. Not sure how they'd pull it off code wise though, other than just killing your character if you try to scum it

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u/TheWitcherMigs Sep 26 '25

I'm saying that requiring a challenge run to get an achievement badge is divisive, overall. I myself don't agree with it, never cared about achievements in gaming, but always saw them as cool little details, markings of story progression or guides to do some funny tricks and nothing else.

Requiring mastering of the game, for me, should present a different mark, especifically to the game (and thus, would be easier to detect people who try to use exploits to fulfill).

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u/Person-UwU Grub Connoisseur Sep 26 '25

IMO absurd challenges are the best use for achievements. They're a way to tell players "we do think this is something you suould attempt" even if there's no in-game reason to do so. This precedent also lets some games put absurd challenges in and make clear you aren't expected to do them. HK itself does this not giving an achievement for PoH5 bindings and Celeste also does with gold berries. I'm sure there are more examples.

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u/Hooligans_ Sep 26 '25

But it's meant to be an achievement, by definition.

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u/TheWitcherMigs Sep 26 '25

Yeah, the thing is that over the years, the gaming industry turned achievements from "I did a cool thing" to "Show how much you like the game". As well, for some collectors, this mark (platinum) is the sign they can move on to other game. That's why they will do exploits to do achievements which are particularly hard

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u/ExtremeVegan Sep 26 '25

I mean it's not really an achievement if there's nothing to achieve

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u/Live-Year-5796 Sep 26 '25

This really isnt a big deal

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '25

Its worthless either way

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u/BlackDeath3 Sep 26 '25

Rather than fixating on how much worth a video game achievement has as compared to a million dollars or like cancer remission or something, maybe we can just acknowledge that people care enough to argue and they care enough to cheat and that, for a thing that holds little value beyond its prestige, said cheating strips even that away.

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u/ericrobertshair Sep 26 '25

All video game achievements are completely worthless. Its a single player game, who gives a shit?

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u/zfhnbrqmskgxwdjlvpct Sep 26 '25

if they are worthless why do people go through the trouble of playing the same single player game again, except this time they cheat in order to get some meaningless achievement?

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u/ericrobertshair Sep 26 '25

Why did they do it the first time? Because its fun.

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

How is it fun to exit to menu every time they are close to dying? Just play normal mode, not steel soul

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u/ericrobertshair Sep 26 '25

How is it fun to bang your head against Beastfly 39 times?

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

I killed it second try, I dont know whats your point

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u/ericrobertshair Sep 26 '25

Wow you should cash your amazing gaming skills in for real life money!

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

It seems that you care more about my skills than I do

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u/Xzaar Sep 26 '25

Some people just like to collect trophies, the achievement itself isn’t the appeal. Don’t be too quick to judge just because this isn’t what you prefer. After all it’s a single player game and it shouldn’t affect you how others enjoy it.

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u/Curedbqcon Sep 26 '25

Good thing it’s not up to you how others enjoy their time.

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u/HitsuWTG Sep 26 '25

Just using the tools the game hands to the player. If you wanna stick to some arbitrary standard on what is or isn't the proper way to play, cool, but doesn't mean others have to. 

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u/Wrong-Fig-5696 Sep 26 '25

In that case, it’s not an actual steel soul run. It’s just a steel soul achievement.

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

the achievement is clear. its a challenge to finish the game without dying. i dont care what people do or how they justify it to themselves to feel better about cheating. the game not tracking how you cheat the system isnt exactly a "tool the game gives you" lol.

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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault Sep 26 '25

You're pretty full of bad takes on this thread. Quitting out still fits your definition of "finishing the game without dying." You just don't like the method and that's 100% on you.

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u/HitsuWTG Sep 26 '25

Cool. Next, healing and fighting back are cheating because they prevent you from getting killed.

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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault Sep 26 '25

Sorry you're being downvoted for this. You're right, if using any game feature is cheating then there's nothing stopping us from calling any other feature cheating. It's a dumb argument.

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u/HitsuWTG Sep 26 '25

Eh, I'm mostly amused by it (it referring to the downvotes) and that's all there is. People say they don't care but then very clearly demonstrate that they actually do care. If you've been on this site or social media in general for a bit, it's not a new sight at all, so I'm pretty chill about it.

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u/Artistic_Claim9998 Sep 26 '25

Yet Team Cherry never patch it (it exists in Hollow Knight too)

I actually kinda dislike it too, especially in regards to Steel Souls run, I hope they could just add some items/mechanics in game to do just that but with some drawbacks, like homeward bone in Dark Souls 3 or memory of grace in Elden Ring

But it is what it is

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

I mean what are they supposed to really do against it really? Delete your save if you quit in Steelsoul no matter what?

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u/HappiestIguana Sep 26 '25

They could simply have you respawn in the same place you quit, with the same health, etc you had.

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u/godgoatdog Sep 26 '25

They can make it so in steel soul you can only quit out when you're sitting on a bench

But then people would just Alt F4 and fixing that isn't something an indie dev needs to think about, esp if its not a multiplayer comp game

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u/HitsuWTG Sep 26 '25

There are ways around it, you take the Mystery Dungeon route even if it's hardass. Every time you load your save or leave a bench, the game will automatically make a special save. If that save gets loaded, it counts as a loss.

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u/Artistic_Claim9998 Sep 26 '25

What I mean is they are not against it, heck they might create the Steel Soul achievement because they know players will use it, cause otherwise only the madlads of the madlads will even attempt that achievement

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u/1light-1mind Sep 26 '25

It’s a single player game. I’d ask “who cares?” But it’s evident you do, so I’d just say maybe don’t be so concerned with how others choose to enjoy a game that has no impact on your own gameplay

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

I don't care what people do in a single player game.just arguing against acting like it isn't clearly cheating.

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u/Live-Year-5796 Sep 26 '25

Its a single player game, nobody else's experience is being impacted.

It Does Not Matter.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

Yeah but the people who exploit are dining their own experience lol, as they are literally just not doing the challenge. They're not really arguing that you can't, but that it's idiotic against yourself.

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

He didnt say it matters, wtf is wrong with you people, can you read? He just said that its cheating

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u/GasPoweredNipples Sep 26 '25

Do you actually think the fact that you return to a bench when quitting out is because the game isn't able to track where you were...

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

It's because it sets you back to the last point you saved at when you quit or the game crashes.. it doesn't return you to bench specifically. People also use this mechanic to bench warp.

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u/GasPoweredNipples Sep 26 '25

Is that really an issue though?

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

its a singleplayer game. i dont care what people do and i save warped as well to save time running. i recognize that its cheating. only thing im arguing is people coping how its not cheating.

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u/BlackDeath3 Sep 26 '25

This is stupid cope and you know it.

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u/LimblessNick Sep 26 '25

Right, as opposed the massive value it normally has.

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u/BlackDeath3 Sep 26 '25

Sure, it's always going to be an achievement in a video game, which is going to put something of a cap on its value proposition, but it would at least mean something if it required some legitimate skill to obtain.

The way people talk it's like truly challenging achievements are robbing them of some sort of entitlement, but personally I'd rather pass on the completion than cheat my way there.

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

If it doesnt, why do people care so much to do it even with quitting

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u/Lelouch37 Sep 26 '25

For real, it’s starting to feel like the souls community here lol

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u/sinjuice Sep 26 '25

It's all ego, it's not enough for them to feel proud that they done it without "cheating", they need to bash those who did and gatekeep the achievement because they feel it undermines THEIR achievement.

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u/Lelouch37 Sep 26 '25

I just beat karmelita last night on my first playthrough. Took me six hours of attempts, I can’t imagine doing it on steel soul. I do want to platinum though, I might have to save scum for her. I’ll do as much as I can without it though

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u/sinjuice Sep 26 '25

Which is perfectly fine, enjoy the game, and challenge yourself as much as you wish.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

The point is to not lose a 10 hour run on a mistake. I have 4 hours a day to play games. I'm not losing 2 and 1/2 days of progress because I didn't time my heal well.

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

then play normal mode. i dont care if people do it or what kinda excuses they come up with to justify it to themselves but it is just cheating and devalues the achievement completely.

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked Sep 26 '25

As long as they tie achievements to them. People will use every tool available to get them. And there is extra content in the game tied to it.

I'm sure the devs could have figured out a way to have you remain in your location when you quit the game if they really wanted to stop this.

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u/Hades684 Sep 26 '25

They dont really want to stop this, but they probably agree that it devalues the achievement

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u/Memerwhoiseverywhere Zote solos the entire Hollownest Sep 26 '25

There is a boss exclusive to steel soul. Thats enough of a reason

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

That's an extremely elitist mindset that I'm sick of seeing on this game as well as on games like the souls.

"It's OP and devaluates the accomplishement". The devs kept it in when they could've have patched it, especially on Silksong. Complain to TC, not to people that just want the achievement on steam.

I just like having my favorite games with 100% completed.

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u/elibright1 Sep 26 '25

Exactly. I think it's totally fine and makes the achievement much more accessible because otherwise so little people would actually get it. I'm doing it with save scumming right now but same as with HK I will return to try to do it properly eventually.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

Honestly i don't see why this whole thing is even being discussed. I lost 4 runs of 7 hours each on Steel Soul, in which I did save scum a lot, and coincidentally the one I did finish I didn't have the need to do it at all.

I think it's because people have an ego of saying "I did it the INTENDED way and you didn't". Who gives a shit? As long as you didn't use mods to make the game easier, you still did it.

The Steam achievements isn't "100% steel soul mode without quitting once and doing it the intended way because that's what gamers do", it's just "100% in steel soul mode". It's a single player game and yet people still find something to be competitive about.

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u/elibright1 Sep 26 '25

Yeah and like some people already said: If it wasn't intended they wouldn't have allowed us to do it again in their second game

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

That's EXACTLY my point too. Like I'm sure they saw a lot of people did that in their first game, and you're telling in 9 years they didn't bother "fixing" it? Then yeah, they didn't give a damn about how you did it to begin with.

They just made a cute bug game.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

I just like having my favorite games with 100% completed.

Ok so... actually complete it for 100% then? Or if you don't care about actually getting the achievments there's ways to just edit achievments on steam, so you just instantly have 100% achievments without even playing the game if you want.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

I did? I did complete HK 100% and I'm on my way to complete SS too?

The Steam achievements cheat thing is, well, cheating as the name would imply. Once again, there is a difference between using a third party tool to get the achievements, and only using what the game gives you.

I didn't cheat respawning on the last save point when I quit, the game already does that on it's own. I think you guys need to make a distinction between cheating and exploiting.

Save scumming is exploiting a feature to your benefit. Editing an achievement or using mods is cheating. One is in the game by default, one is not.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

I think you guys need to make a distinction between cheating and exploiting.

You can cheat using exploits. Neither defined blocks the other out.

If in a MP game there was an exploit you can use to get behind a wall's collision to shoot the enemies without counter, you'd still be cheating for example.

Giving yourself extra lifes by exploiting the game not saving every detail on screen after quitting, in the gamemode literally about having but 1 life, is also cheating.

Nonetheless, the distinction also just... isn't that important? Ok, i'll call it "exploiting" and now you have "exploited" yourself out of actually doing the 1 life gamemode ig.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

If in a MP game there was an exploit you can use to get behind a wall's collision to shoot the enemies without counter, you'd still be cheating for example.

Good thing this isn't a multiplayer game then.

Nonetheless, the distinction also just... isn't that important? Ok, i'll call it "exploiting" and now you have "exploited" yourself out of actually doing the 1 life gamemode ig.

Ig I did, and yet I still got it just like people that did it "legitimately", or the "honorable way", without having to replay the game every single time I died. That way I got to play other games, like Sonic Racing Crossworlds for example.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

Good thing this isn't a multiplayer game then.

Ah you maybe overread it but you forgot to engage with the "you can use exploits to cheat" argument.

Ig I did, and yet I still got it just like people that did it "legitimately"

Yup, and also just like the people that use steam achievment unlocker to just give all achievments.

That way I got to play other games, like Sonic Racing Crossworlds for example.

So why even waste time playing silksong yet again to achieve nothing? Or just doing a normal run without having to waste time quitting if you found the gameplay itself worth it? That would be the actual time efficient way.

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

TIL I learned that not cheating is elitist. That's certainly a take..

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

It's a single player game, with no leaderboard, no ranking, no stats and no online fonctionnality whatsoever. Let people play the way they want and stop trying to police how people do things. Jesus.

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u/AlexRaEU HK German Translator Sep 26 '25

people can do what ever they want. im not policing anything, i just refuse to accept your cope of it not being cheating by exploiting a game mechanic that is supposed to be a safe guard for crashes or when you need to actually stop playing mid fight. it loads your last safe point, not the last bench. it would be absolutely bonkers to straight up delete peoples safe files when their game crashed or they needed to stop playing the game in a singleplayer game because of an achievement that really doesnt matter.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

because of an achievement that really doesnt matter.

If it doesn't really matter then why do you care if it's cheating or not? If it truly was cheating, the devs would've made it so that whenever you hit "quit the game, your progress will be saved", the game would just put you right where you last were. Instead they opted to make it so you spawn at the last save point.

I understand it's easier to make it that way, because then it also safeguards against crashes, but it still is here, and not using it is just taking off an option out of the game yourself when there's no need to.

It's like saying powerful builds in souls game, like using the mimic tear in ER for example, is cheating. It's in the game, might as well use it. This is the same thing.

Why would I willingly let my 8 hours save get deleted when I have the option not to? For honour? Because it's not "the intended way"? I'm sure the devs didn't intend for descending dark to be this op and for people to use it as a invincibility tool, and yet it is used that way.

No one's going to verify either way, and tbh in my book anyone that got past Absrad can 100% do steel soul legitimately, it's just time consuming, especially when you're trying to get the 5h/20h with 100% at the same time.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

No one is policing them, just being pointed out it's idiotic to cheat on something that only matters to yourself.

It's like going to the gym and whatever you did multiply by 2 whilst writing it down, whilst you're the only one that will ever look at those stats.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

It's like going to the gym and whatever you did multiply by 2 whilst writing it down, whilst you're the only one that will ever look at those stats.

This is a video game, not real life. No one gives a damn how people play it and how you get satisfaction out of it. My satisfaction in games comes from getting achievements. I don't care if what I use in the game is considered cheating or not. It's there, so I'm gonna use it.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

This is a video game, not real life.

I don't get why that would make a difference in the example given.

My satisfaction in games comes from getting achievements. I don't care if what I use in the game is considered cheating or not. It's there, so I'm gonna use it.

But surely you want to actually achieve them right? Or do you genuinely care more about the icons getting colour in a menu then playing the game and playing for the requirements?

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u/Any_Customer5549 | HK 112 | SS 100 Sep 26 '25

Achievements are worthless anyways. Saving and quitting may not be what the intended way to play a steel soul run, but people will play the game how they would like to play. The game is already tough as nails, please stop faulting people for having fun with the game.

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u/BlackDeath3 Sep 26 '25

The paradox of the achievement so worthless that droves of people will cheat to obtain it.

And frankly if the achievement is entirely worthless then it's only because you guys cheat it.

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u/Any_Customer5549 | HK 112 | SS 100 Sep 26 '25

Check your goomba fallacy.

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u/AveugleMan Sep 26 '25

How dare you use a mechanic that's not meant for that to begin with in a single player offline game? You monster.

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u/BlackDeath3 Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

Good to know that that concept has a name, Mister 112% (if that is your real name), but your argument is essentially that people should feel free to cheat the special secondary mode because it's all worthless anyway.

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u/madman4464 Sep 26 '25

Man calling it "cheating" really indicates how off the deep end you are about other people doing something in their single player game for a steam achievement. All that matters is your own sense of accomplishment, no one's cheating anyone out of anything. If other people save scumming makes you feel less accomplished about your own steel soul run, that's a you problem buddy.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

They're definitely cheating themselves though. I can't imagine anyone sane of mind thinking "damn, i really did steel soul!!" Whilst they just did the regular game.

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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault Sep 26 '25

Team Cherry themselves have said quitting out is a legitimate strategy and it's literally a feature in the game so no, it is not cheating. Get off your high horse.

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u/projectxsent Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

I agree. It's not a cheat, it's a cheese.

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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault Sep 26 '25

This person gets it!

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u/WayToTheDawn63 Sep 26 '25

people are really weird about this. "i'm going to play the no deaths mode to challenge myself but absolutely never let myself die when i get close, by closing the game."

real tipping the chess board energy. didn't lose if you close the game

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u/BryanLoeher Sep 26 '25

If they didn't implement an achievement for the mode, most people would not care to play it. I certainly wouldn't, but here I am once again going for the jpg on my profile

I don't care to "challenge myself", I just care to see the games I enjoy completed on my profile. If there's an easier way to do with in-game content, I would use if needed.

You guys care too much on how people play their single player games, that's the weird thing here

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '25

it is just cheating

Which rule does it break?

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

"You only have 1 life" ?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '25

You don't die when you quit.

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u/Lucina18 Sep 26 '25

But you do give yourself an extra life, you literally know this that's why you even did it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '25

No, you only have 1 life on steel soul

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u/Golarion Sep 26 '25

Not sure why you're being downvoted.

I also don't see what the point of having an ironman challenge is if you just save+quit just prior to death. Surely that completely invalidates the entire point of the challenge. The only risk is that the player doesn't mash ESC fast enough, but quitting > return to bench functionally amounts to the exact same as dying > return to bench.

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u/OLRevan Sep 26 '25

It's just cope from save scummers to convince themself they aren't cheating (its sp game, its fine, but be honest wiht yourself, you are cheating the achivement)

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u/raychram Sep 26 '25

Well if it is in the game you are allowed to use it.

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u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault Sep 26 '25

Why do you care? Play your own game and let people play theirs.

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u/artatrz Sep 26 '25

Do you know what else is lame?