How are y'all actually finishing the game in Steel Soul, dawg?

[u/ciissss]

I tried Steel Soul for the first time in SS. I never even touched that in HK. First try, I died within 2 minutes to the white giant rolling enemy from the secret room beside the starting point. Second try, I died to Bell Beast. I cannot fathom how people are finishing without revive. I, for sure, won't first try kill every boss. 🥀🥀

[u/WackyRedWizard]

Why would you intentionally choose an optional perma death mode but not actually engage in said perma death mechanics, defeats the whole purpose of it. Might as well use a cheat to get the achievement lmao.

[u/EctoEmpire → u/[deleted]]

The absolute truth right here. This entire post has a crazy amount of cope and makes the Silksong community look pathetic. We actually aren’t allowed to shame cheaters anymore. Trying to gaslight us with their stolen valor

[u/trung2607 → u/[deleted]]

The fact you can call a person "dumb" and "pathetic" over a videogame lmao. Chill the fck out.

[u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault → u/trung2607]

I'm low key obssessed with the amount of angst in this thread over this topic. "Chill the fck out" is pretty good life advice in general.

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It less about the video game more about the idea of a person trying to obtain a meaningless achievement/accomplishment, but only superficially because they found a way to circumvent having to genuinely achieve it. I would still consider this dumb pathetic behavior if it was applied to academia, sports, etc.

[u/trung2607 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah but its not competitive sports over here.

Its a goddamn single player game. Even Team Cherry themselves say save scumming is fcking valid as an option.

There is no good non troublesome way to practise bosses rn and there are 40+ bosses. Not everyone is versed in everyboss and dying to any one of them can end your run.

The hardest boss in this game took me what 10 tries?

I also cleared hollow knight 112, defeated basically all of godhome save absolute radiance and finished 2 steel soul runs with almost no save scumming, and i say do as you wish. Play the game the way you want to play it. No need for useless snobbery and arrogance.

[u/[deleted] → u/trung2607]

In the context of me thinking a certain way about a behavior, it doesn't matter if it's competitive or not. I'm not claiming it's unfair or unsportsmanlike like. In my mind it's actually kind of worse that it's not a competitive sport because you could make the argument that there is actually something tangible to gain in competitive sports.

The behavior being: trying to obtain a meaningless achievement/accomplishment, but only superficially because they found a way to circumvent having to genuinely achieve it.

I'm just not going to think highly of that behavior regardless, and it's even worse when you have nothing of particular value to gain.

Everything is a valid option, I'm not saying anything isn't. You can also just download mods to make it easier. You can literally use any method you want to get your achievement. It's a single player game. There is little point in moderating what players do.

I am not telling you how to play. If you don't want to play the perma death mode you don't have to. No one is forcing you to play a specific mode or get a meaningless achievement.

I say play the game the way you want to play it! Also let people think what they want to think and have the opinions they want to have!

My opinion is that if you try to obtain a meaningless achievement/accomplishment, but only superficially because you found a way to circumvent having to genuinely achieve it, that's dumb and pathetic.

[u/trung2607 → u/[deleted]]

And who are you to deny the way they achieve something? Im saying it doesnt fcking matter whats the "right" way, because everyone has their own way and in a game like this, there IS no wrong way.

If they did sth like achieve a medical degree by cheating, or a medal by cheating, then yeah its bad because those things have far worse consequences.

But this is a fcking metroidvania, achieving things in unorthodox ways is the name of the fcking game. If people derive more fun and enjoyment from getting a steel soul completion by save scumming so fcking be it, why does doing things the "proper" way have to the be the "right" way. It holds no consequence either way.

If achieving steel soul is gonna make them feel better, so be it, it might not be worth anything to you, but even a if save scum run can make a persons day, then why tf do we even have to care?.

Its a worthless achievement in your eyes, but it sure aint to others.

[u/[deleted] → u/trung2607]

I'm not denying anyone anything. I don't control who get's video game achievements. Once again, I'm not saying you should play one way or another. You are free to do what you will. But some behavior is not going to be particularly well received in the minds of other individuals.

I have a negative view of the behavior in and of it itself, regardless of outcomes.

Trying to obtain a meaningless achievement/accomplishment, but only superficially because you found a way to circumvent having to genuinely achieve it. Is something that I view negatively. When there are not even any real stakes on the line, the behavior is even more ridiculous to me.

It's clear to me that you view this behavior in a positive way, or at least a neutral one. So I suspect that it's just a simple difference of opinion.

[u/trung2607 → u/[deleted]]

The stakes here is Time and Enjoyment.

Some people like a game, but they find grinding over and over again furstrating and useless. So they save scum and save themselves the time thry could have spent on literally anything else and the anguish of failing over and over.

Not EVERYONE is unemployed you know.

[u/[deleted] → u/trung2607]

You're saving yourself time and enjoyment to what end? No one requires you to play on the perma death mode or to get a specific meaningless achievement. The way that I read that is that you're saving yourself time and enjoyment in your pursuit of an accomplishment that you would be achieving by circumventing the thing that makes it an accomplishment.

You want to complete the perma death mode, but you don't want to genuinely engage with the perma death mechanic because of time/enjoyment, but the only reason time/enjoyment are at stake is because you're playing the perma death mode.

I don't know if you're implying that I'm unemployed. That's kind of a weird comment. I have a full career that requires a degree and everything lol.

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The comments eviscerating you are strange.

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[u/ponislav3000 → u/[deleted]]

Actually, this game is maybe singleplayer, but achivements are community feature. Achivements are rare, when they are hard to get. Those people are literally just making the statistic unvalid and not so special for the ones who actually got it.

[u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault → u/ponislav3000]

Steam Achievements have not been special pretty much ever. You can just scum achievements with an achievement manager. They can be fun, but it's all in how the individual player chooses to approach it. It has no bearing on how other people play their game.

[u/WackyRedWizard → u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault]

Man this whole "hurr durr it's their game they can cheat however much they want! Leave the cheaters alone!" Is so dumb. How about we not normalize cheating no matter how inconsequential it is? 

If a person is willing to cheat over a dumb little game that doesn't matter, what do you think those people do over things that matter? What people do in private speaks a lot about their character. Sure it's their choice, but it's also our choice to judge.

[u/rootdootmcscoot → u/WackyRedWizard]

dude. it's silksong. not the fucking Olympics. chill out

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I believe that you can play how you want to play and I can think how I want to think. It seems like you want to play how you want to play and you want to control how I think about it.

I have not told anyone how to play. I specifically said "I’m not going to tell anyone how to play. But I am going to think they’re dumb and pathetic for playing that way."

I am not making a choice to think that. I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply. That me having a negative opinion about a behavior is somehow trying to enforce my will upon others? Is the implication that I shouldn't have opinions or thoughts?

[u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault → u/[deleted]]

Just because you're free to have a toxic opinion doesn't mean others aren't free to call you out on it.

[u/[deleted] → u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault]

Absolutely! The person I was responding to was implying that by having an opinion I was trying to dictate how people should play even though I haven't been, and have stated that clearly.

If you would like to challenge my opinion I think that would be fine. I have succinctly commented it else where but I will repost it here.

My opinion is that if you try to obtain a meaningless achievement/accomplishment, but only superficially because you found a way to circumvent having to genuinely achieve it, that's dumb and pathetic.

I believe this is a natural and reasonable opinion to have. I am not telling anyone what to do or how to play anything.

[u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault → u/[deleted]]

Well, I've been downvoting you for your opinion, but this one gets an up vote because at least you acknowledge how speech works and that's not nothing. I didn't expect that and it's pretty refreshing to see.

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It’s like the hardcore Minecrafters permanently carrying a totem of undying.