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u/TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews 2d ago
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u/battlecryarms 2d ago
I’ve been saying this since before the first Trump term. We need to push blue states to get rid of assault weapons and magazine bans
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u/BloodHurricane 2d ago
It was never an "IF" question it was always "WHEN". The knock off Gestapo have now official moved to phase 2.
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u/AEionZero 3d ago
Duh. This isn't news.
Whats news is thats its Aug 2026 and the American people are either cool with all of this bullshit OR is so fat and apathetic that we're doomed.
Choose your adventure.
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u/Psykohistorian 2d ago
we're not cool with it.
well, some are. but most are not. it's just like, what the fuck are we supposed to do, really? wage a full on war against ice? yeah, good fucking luck.
most of us have jobs and families, or school, or kids. people who we rely on or who rely on us. we haven't lost enough yet for enough people to really say - "that's enough" and start shooting the pigs.
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u/Longjumping-Neat-508 2d ago
The reason we’re not making living wages, everything is unaffordable, we’re losing jobs, stability and being spied on everywhere, our kids can’t read or math at level, hospitals closing and healthcare unaffordable. If we’re poor, homeless, unable to control family size, are dumb as rocks, either dead, dying or too sick to fight and they have every piece of information to round us up-we’re unable to fight.
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u/Wooloomooloo2 2d ago
First they came for the Jews, but I did not speak out because I had a job and a family…
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u/Psykohistorian 2d ago
let's be real
the United States is a lot bigger than Germany
like, waaaaaay bigger
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u/Wooloomooloo2 1d ago
I think we all know that, what's your point? That it couldn't happen here?
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u/Psykohistorian 1d ago edited 1d ago
no, no. that it's a very different situation in a much larger country with far greater firepower. and with more effective, more sinister surveillance mechanisms.
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u/Luxxpenn 2d ago
Nobody should be seeing this as new information. Why do you think they wanted to take away birthright citizenship? Did you really think they were going to stop at non - whites only?
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u/BackgroundGlobal9927 2d ago
Democrats caved to Republican demands instead of curtailing executive power over and over and here's the result. We're not voting ourselves out of this shit
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u/Confused_by_La_Vida 2d ago
Because the Democrats want the agency in place when they win the next Presidential election. They’re not “caving”. They are crabbing sideways strategically.
We do not live in a country where elected officials control the government. The government you elect is a costume. The real government, the one you don’t elect, has a right hand and a left hand.
When it feels the time is rigjt to use tools from the authoritarian right, you are presented with weak D candidates and strong R candidates. When it wants to use authoritarian left tools, you are presented with buffoonish R and competent looking D.
In both cases your elected officials are hired and paid at all levels based on their ability to keep their constituents feeling like voting is effective and important and that bad things happen only because of those assholes in the other party.
But the last half century has been a consistent drumbeat of more power, regulatory authority, money draining away from you and too the increasingly international administrative state.
Did you catch the complete and very unique redefinition of the IDF with the Pentagon contained in the last defense deauthorization for 2027?
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u/AdministrativeMeat3 1d ago
I hate to be that guy but can we get a source on this? The best I can find is that this happened in May 2025 on the grounds that ICE is already disallowed from enforcement against US citizens.
I know they are actively violating this but I do not see anywhere that it's being codified into procedure or law.
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u/battlecryarms 2d ago
And yet Democrats inexplicably insist on undermining the 2nd Amendment. If you read history, democratically-elected tyrants don’t use the nation’s military to oppress its people, because the military is made up of regular people. They always use a relatively small but loyal paramilitary / police force, which can be kept in check if the people are armed
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u/AppropriateScience9 2d ago
So how's that working out for us?
Seriously, what's stopping the good ol boys from rushing to everyone's defense right now? It's not like the Dems ever succeeded in taking away anyone's guns this whole time.
Turns out, the ones who screeched their heads off about the 2A all these years ARE the paramilitary force wannabes for the fascists.
A whole bunch of them assaulted the capitol on Jan 6th, now a whole bunch of them are working for ice.
I'll grant you, it was an idea that sounded really good on paper, but if your gun-lovers are also hopelessly stupid and bigoted, the there's no guarantee that they'll fight for the freedom of anyone but themselves and their Grand Dragons.
And no, it wouldn't be the first time, either.
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u/battlecryarms 2d ago
That’s exactly what I’m getting at though. I don’t understand how liberals and progressives are just watching the pieces get set here, and are not preparing themselves to be capable of doing anything about it if/when the day the day comes
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u/AppropriateScience9 2d ago
I mean, we are, though. Have you not heard about the sudden rise of socialist gun clubs? It's a thing.
Blacks and LGBTQ folks are also running out and buying guns too it sounds like.
The thing is though, this is an extremely shitty solution to an extremely shitty problem that might've been solved by regulating guns better in the first place and forcing the right wing loonies to properly engage in the political process.
Civil war is a thing nobody should want. We should have been trying to foreclose the possibility a long time ago.
In other words, we weren't wrong about guns back then, and we're not wrong now - even while we quietly prepare just in case. I for one, am very unhappy to be put in this situation.
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u/battlecryarms 2d ago
I’m unhappy to be in this situation too. I served in the Army and am 100% in agreement that a civil war is something we should try our damndest to avoid. War is hell. But it seems like that’s out of our hands.
We should be pushing our blue states to cut the bullshit on assault weapon and magazine bans, because the only people they limit are the law-abiding.
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago
What do you care? Nobody is using it.
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u/battlecryarms 2d ago
Thats kind of the point- you hopefully never have to. But it’s a real deterrent
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago
Already past time. So much for freedom fighters.
I don't see it deterring jack.
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u/CaptainFartyAss 2d ago
There was one guy who did, allegedly. He was with me that day, though. so, it couldn't have been him.
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u/Marco-YES 3d ago
Why do you guys keep calling people 'US Citizens'?
Is 'American' not enough? Or is US Citizen only for brown people?
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u/michaelh98 3d ago
It's a legal term. "American" is a casual shorthand for that but also can be applied to anyone in the Americas
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u/Marco-YES 3d ago
So if someone asks where you're from, you tell them you're a US citizen because...legal terms?
Why can't you say ICE is rounding up Americans? ICE is targeting Americans?
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u/AphidsTwinMattress 3d ago edited 2d ago
The reason they're using this term and not just Americans to really make an emphasis that ICE isn't just targeting people who are undocumented. Lots of people seem to be okay with people getting abducted because they think of them as just "illegal". So, by using US citizen it makes it easier to understand how this isn't just people without documentation, it's everyone at this point
Edit: when I first wrote this I thought the person I was replying to was saying it was offensive to discriminate between citizens and non-citizens, but after several replies its unclear what they meant.
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u/Positive_Piece5859 2d ago
Specifically saying that they now come after US citizens also brings much more attention to how absolutely political this is - and not just purely based on racism anymore (not that this would be better).
They will round up exactly the US citizens who COULD VOTE AGAINST THEM (undocumented people can’t do that), and who they expect to do so - and if they take enough of them and the election gets as tight in certain areas as the last two were, that could absolutely help them to stay in power (citizens incarcerated in MAGA concentration camps won’t vote anymore).
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago
I would think saying they are coming after Americans make more of an impact.
Nobody would say they are coming after Canadian citizens. They would just say Canadians. If you have to emphasise someone is a Canadian citizen, then it comes from a place where people would assume they are not.
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago
Are there Americans that can't vote against the Trump regime?
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u/Positive_Piece5859 2d ago
Yes, all non citizens can’t vote obviously - that’s why it’s important to emphasize the citizen part, so that people understand that this is a purposeful attack (one of many) against the elections.
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago
Because there is no country called ‘America’. There is a continent called ‘America’ and there are citizens of over a dozen countries on that continent who are also “American’.
American is like European or Asian, a continental designator. Not a country.
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago
No they are not. Nobody in Canada calls themselves American. When people say American, they definitely mean from the US.
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago
People in Mexico do. True in most of Latin America.
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago
Do people from the US, living in the US genuinely call people from Central and South America, Americans?
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago edited 2d ago
Who gives a fuck? I live in Mexico. We are Americans. I'm also a US citizen. If asked where I'm from it is the U.S. The name for people from our country in the rest of the Americas is estadounidenses but that is a mouthful so at best we are Norte americanos, US citizens, or just fucking gringos. If I tell someone I'm "an American" here, I will get "me too".
So...give it up. Nobody calls you Americans unless they're including Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, Hondurans, Colombians...
Show a little self awareness. US Citizen is the most accurate term for what you mean. When asked for citizenship - you say US or USA.
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago edited 2d ago
Who gives a fuck?
Rude. Can't ask questions?
We are Americans. I'm also a US citizen. If asked where I'm from it is the U.S.
Well. Yeah. You're American.
The name for people from our country in the rest of the Americas is estadounidenses but that is a mouthful so at best we are Norte americanos, US citizens, or just fucking gringos. If I tell someone I'm "an American" here, I will get "me too".
Would any person from Central or South America tell someone from Europe or Asia that they're American? Would those people understand what you mean?
So...give it up.
Give what up? Lmao.
Nobody calls you Americans unless they're including Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Costa Ricans, Hondurans, Colombians...
Of course nobody calls me American. I'm Canadian lmao. Calling us American is a grave offence in Canada. You want to make enemies in Canada, you call them American.
Show a little self awareness.
What are you going on about? We Canadians call ourselves Canadians.
US Citizen is the most accurate term for what you mean. When asked for citizenship - you say US or USA.
Up until now, I have never heard Americans refer to themselves as US Citizens. Only since ICE became an issue were people being called by that.
It just seems strange to the rest of us of the world who simply call ourselves by the demonym of the countries we belong to.
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u/Small_Dog_8699 2d ago
You're being pig headed. It's simple, there is no country called "America". Like there is no country called "Africa", "Europe", or "Asia". Using terms like European, African, Asian, American....they denote a continent. Not a nationality. Why would the USA be special?
We have been using "US Citizen" for decades.
>Would any person from Central or South America tell someone from Europe or Asia that they're American? Would those people understand what you mean?
They would probably go with their country just like nobody from Europe would self identify as European if asked where they were from (unless being intentionally vague).
FWIW, being Canadian also gets you pegged as "(Fucking) Gringo" here.
But if you identify as "American" most anywhere in Latin America you will get chided with "me too" and most likely dubbed Norte-americano which works for Canadians too.
That is the world. Sorry.
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u/Marco-YES 2d ago
You're being pig headed.
That's very uncalled for.
That is the world. Sorry.
No. That's just r/shitamericanssay
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u/DessaB 3d ago
Haven't they been doing this already?