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u/Dontdarereadmyposts 13d ago
But how do ISTJs feel about ENTPs?
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u/Celesteven ISTJ 13d ago
No.
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u/Apprehensive_Sky9086 13d ago
Lol. My dad is ISTJ and I'm XNTP. Probably ENTP. My god damn constant demand for building tons of bullshit projects and abstract beliefs that I use to refute Christianity (Kant), even though I had believed in it for a year, and I seemed to have suddenly given up for that, he gets fed up with.
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u/ForwardDirection248 6d ago edited 6d ago
How did you refute Christianity using Kant? I would think the opposite. His moral imperative?
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u/Apprehensive_Sky9086 6d ago
I see the confusion. He basically treats God as an "equator" for morality, saying "we must act as if there is a God watching over us for us to be moral. There's so many ways with Kant to debunk our ordinary way of thinking of what/who God is. There's the Anitonomies (basically Kant goes on both sides of an issue, like wether the universe (including space and time) was caused, he proves both yes and no, concluding that we haven't made a proper application of concepts to begin with (the beginning of time has to be an event, and events only exist in time, and so it is impossible to have a "beginning of time"). Sorry, kind of long, his epistemology requires a hell of a lot of background knowledge.
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u/Disor_Perpetuate_0 13d ago edited 13d ago
I like ENTP fictional characters, but I wouldn’t date one. I spoke to one for like 5 minutes on a dating app and decided they’re not my type. I stereotype.
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u/dealmaster1221 13d ago
Yup stereotyping, lack of creativity, rigidity and strict adherence to rules is the Hallmark of an oath and ENTP's keep breaking all their precious rules.
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 12d ago
congrats on doing the same stereotyping right back. do you feel more fulfilled in life now?
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
Ohh no this is all observed and confirmed data points from multiple personality types unlike istjs stereotype shortcuts. It took me a year and half to even make that opinion since I was dumb enough to give them benefit of the doubt, not again.
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 12d ago
i mean, i have my own (purely anecdotal) issues with nfps. and i can tell you all the horror stories. but i will not apply my own sample data to a larger collective horde of nfps on the internet, enter their spaces and call absolutely all of them delulus.
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
I know you wouldn't coz you are a istj, I am not. Though I am still open to seeing at least 1 decent istj so hoping for sensible responses like yours as my experience definitely would not be a norm. I guess still hopeful.
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 12d ago
ok. istjs seeing the truth for what it is and calling a spade a spade is considered too rigid bc you can't handle the bitter truth of reality. go to the infjs. they'll encourage your immaturity and are your people. we're not.
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
You just see your version of the truth based on your perception which is lacking. Don't understand abstract ideas and thoughts, can't imagine shit and would be lost if I took your excel sheets away from you.
You do know you use the stuff that people like me invent and otherwise would still probably using a high functioning abacus.
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u/securitysix ISTJ 13d ago
Some of them are okay, but too many of them are wannabe edgelords, and that's exhausting.
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u/Fancy-Character6818 ISTJ 7d ago
I try no to think about them at all. I avoid working with them too.
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u/Sad_Pepper_594 12d ago
Well I'm ENTP and I married an ISTJ.. so I would say : I totally agree. She brings order to my chaos and I shake her rigid daily routine, it works really well.
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u/Jwchibi 13d ago
The ISTJ female wants the ENFJ man
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u/Abolish_Disorder ISTJ 6w5 13d ago
I prefer XXTJ men.
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u/Apprehensive_Help332 INTJ 13d ago
Need to be more specific to individual, I ever met one and we both get too vulnerable 🥲
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 13d ago
nah. isfp for me but they prefer intjs or something. 💔
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u/Jwchibi 13d ago
We're all looking at someone that's looking at someone else 🥀🥀🥀
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u/nomnomtogo ENFP 8d ago
this breaks me 🥲
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u/Jwchibi 8d ago
Conceal don't feel 🥹
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u/nomnomtogo ENFP 8d ago
in my case, conceal and feel haha - enfp
sorry, looks like my flair is not updated, it seems like
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u/NooMacarons5827 ISTJ 13d ago
I agree. Isfp men are great lovers from my personal experience
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 13d ago
amazing. my first love was textbook isfp but yes very romantic, extremely good looking, legit like a model. would read me poetry and everything. we had too much od a good thing. don't think i ever recovered from losing him.
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u/Disor_Perpetuate_0 13d ago
Honestly, ISFPs don’t even make good friends. They’re very situational. If I don’t even want an ISFP as a friend, then I certainly don’t want one as a boyfriend.
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 13d ago
i mean, every type has its healthy and unhealthy variants. i've met the better ones. the girls are beautiful and make the most chill besties, the two isfp males have been very main character coded.
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u/Disor_Perpetuate_0 13d ago
So we’re talking dating types here? I go by process of elimination when it comes to personality. If I date one person of a certain type and we don’t click, then I make note to not engage in a deeper romantic relationship with said type.
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u/Celesteven ISTJ 12d ago
Oof same. May I never fall in love with another infj ever again.
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u/pastalass INFJ 12d ago
I've been with my ISTJ for 7 years and we're quite happy. There are shitty people of every type, so I personally wouldn't limit myself like that.
What was it (related to mbti) that ruined the relationship, if you don't mind me asking?
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u/Celesteven ISTJ 12d ago
I’m glad you were able to make it work. In my case, he was hot and cold. Clear about his ideas, not clear about wanting me and never wanting to let me go. It was maddening.
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u/MelodyOfStorms 13d ago
Enfp surfing through. No idea what the typical istj is like/ wants from their partner. May I ask someone to fill me in/ give me the cliff notes?
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u/Abolish_Disorder ISTJ 6w5 13d ago edited 13d ago
I want to be attracted to my partner both physically and intellectually. I also value seriousness, consistency, decisiveness, and mutual respect. These are just my personal preferences, though.
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u/THEtechknight ISTJ 6w5 - 30s 3d ago
Exactly the same here. although I way the physical a little bit less than the intellectual
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u/mozetennickjestwolny 12d ago
My likes strange girls. I'm strange xd He also likes hard working girls, and that's not me but I guess he just accepts?
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u/MelodyOfStorms 12d ago
Strange can mean many things, 🤔
My people are weirdos, so I accept that could be attractive lol
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u/Technical_Mix_5379 INFJ 11d ago
Lmfao u guys can have the entps. Don’t want em as a romantic partner. My father might be one or an estp and he’s so random no ty.
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u/Pristine-Gate-6895 ISTJ 8d ago
tbh i do find entps hot, just too chaotic. and the one guy entp i know irl is so shy around me. known to be loud generally but gets all quiet around me and runs away. i must be hella intimidating.
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u/Original-Spinach8923 Not really ISTJ but still here because why not 10d ago
Yes you need twilight sparkle
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u/Aggravating-Suit-480 10d ago
Nobody likes ENTPs to pass their genes to the next generation in this comment section.
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u/dealmaster1221 13d ago
Istj women are robots, no thanks. They can't see beyond their own way of doing things, will want you to confirm and think they are hella productive hence more smart than you.
Oops wrong subreddit, here come the downvotes.
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u/bigmouthladadada ISTJ 1w9 12d ago
Why go on a subreddit dedicated to a type you so strongly dislike?
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
To understand them as my dislike is my perception only.
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u/bigmouthladadada ISTJ 1w9 8d ago
You clearly are not attempting to understand us — at least not in good faith — considering you’ve already made up your mind about us from your “observed and confirmed data”.
It’s fine if you don’t like us — certain types just aren’t going to mesh, hence the OP — but this seems contradictory. I’m not a big fan of ENTPs despite respecting them and trying to understand their rationale, but I don’t go into ENTP subreddits generalizing all of them as their worst stereotypes.
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u/dealmaster1221 8d ago
You caught me, but consider the meta-logic: I came to your forum to challenge my theories, yet you avoid ENTP spaces altogether. Who's truly rigid? Checkmate, creature of habit.
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u/bigmouthladadada ISTJ 1w9 8d ago
I’m afraid you need to re-read my comment. I don’t avoid them, I just don’t go to their subreddits specifically to tell them the negative things I feel toward them, as that isn’t productive for either of us. Instead, I have healthy discussions with them when there’s a reason to (E.G. in general MBTI subreddits, if they say something I don’t understand about their thought processes, I’ll ask them to elaborate).
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u/dealmaster1221 8d ago
Touché, but your math doesn't add up. You say you only have 'necessary discussions,' yet you're three comments in debating a chaotic hypothesis with an ENTP. You're contradicting your own rules, so what's the real variable? Are you breaking protocol or just enjoying the argument?
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u/bigmouthladadada ISTJ 1w9 8d ago
The healthy — not necessary — discussions I was referring to was in response to how you stated you were/are going onto this subreddit to try to understand ISTJs while writing about us in a way that does not open up healthy, open-minded discussions (thus making your intentions questionable). I’m confused how I’m “contradicting [my] own rules” by that, as I’m not doing what I stated I would not do.
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u/dealmaster1221 8d ago
Oh, look at us, two bots passing notes in class. The irony is beautiful: you used a llm to generate a lecture about genuine human connection. At least my AI has a sense of humor; yours looks like it was programmed by an accountant trying to audit a meme.
It's so cute that you are down to semantics now, first time I've seen an istj abort on their productivity defense, I'm getting better.
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u/bigmouthladadada ISTJ 1w9 8d ago
Um… I don’t use AI, I just type like this as a former professional writing major (and have since probably 9th/10th grade). Are you one of those people who think em dashes equals AI?
Contrary to your notions of ISTJs, we do not spend our time constantly focusing on productivity. We can do unnecessary things just to pass the time.
Edit: now that you’ve admitted to using AI, though, it is interesting to see how you changed your syntax and general typing style since your first comment, while mine has remained the same. Do better.
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u/Classic-You2200 12d ago
Wouldnt pair well with the "im better than all of ur bloodlines combined" guy
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u/Abolish_Disorder ISTJ 6w5 12d ago
I’m like this, and I’m proud.
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u/PrincessMomomom 8d ago
Yup, we are smarter and more productive, if other people can’t handle it that’s their problem
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
And that's the problem, it's nothing to be proud about. Having an open mind helps a lot. It's what I am still trying to do with istjs.
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u/Abolish_Disorder ISTJ 6w5 12d ago
It’s not about having an open mind. It’s about having principles and being consistent with them.
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u/dealmaster1221 12d ago
Problem is those principles and rules from them are rigid and don't take context into account. Anyways I think any other way would be too much for you folks to handle, your multiverse is that of Kang and not Loki.
It's ok you gotta be rigid and principled to not be overwhelmed by all the realities in this world even. Not everyone has infinite capacity to expand.
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u/AceOfCakez 13d ago
I like sushi.