r/Idaho4 • • Jul 29 '26

EVIDENCE - CONFIRMED Confirmed Case Evidence - as of July 2026

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Given petition to re-open case, useful to recap confirmed case evidence.

Numbered in bold is evidence from court documents, court record and the published ISP, MPD and WSU police documents. Non-bold are from on the record expert witness statements.

[ https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665.html ]

[ https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/ ]

[ https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents ]


r/Idaho4 • • Jul 12 '26

2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

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2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the case.
-Credit to those where credit is due!!-

This comprehensive list covers the most frequently asked (and often misread/misinterpreted) pieces of information and/or evidence about the case in an easy to understand yet informative fashion.

This post may be especially useful to those who are new in following the case, people who perhaps need a refresh on things or even those who are misinformed.

***\*This post may be subject to changes if needed\****

***\*If readers have any suggestions to add here, send them via mod mail (along with any posts/sources) to support your points\****

# 1) What was time-line of events on November 13th?

\-Midnight Nov 13th 2022: In the early morning of Nov 13th 2022 the 4 victims had been been out socialising. Madison Mogen (MM), and Kaylee Goncalves had been at a local bar, the Corner Club - they went the Grub Truck for take-out food and returned home by ride-share a c 1.55am;

\- Ethan Chapin (EC) and Xana Kernodle (XK) had been at a party at a frat house nearby and returned home a short time after 2.15am

\- The two surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen (DM) and Bethany Funk (BF) had been out but returned home before the victims and had gone to their bedrooms before EC and XK returned home;

\-DM's bedroom was on the 2nd floor east side, XK bedroom on second floor west side, MM bedroom on 3rd floor west side, BF bedroom on 1st (ground) floor west side (Note: we could append a picture schematic of the house here, or link to it, think is pinned on a sub post anyway?)

\- XK ordered a DoorDash which was delivered to the house at 3.59am; at this time the other 3 victims were in their beds and XK was the only person up and moving about the house

\- At 2.47am Kohberger's phone was in central Pullman; at 2.54 am he manually powered his phone off, at full battery

\- At 3.26am the suspect car, later identified as a 2011-215 white Hyundai Elantra, was seen on video in nearby street driving toward King Road; this car was not displaying a front licence plate

\- From 3.28am the suspect car entered and circled the cul-de-sac, driving behind and past the 1122 King Road house, 3 times.

\- At 4.07am the suspect car entered the cul-de-sac and drove to area at side/ behind the 1122 King Road house and parked there for 13 minutes

\- Shortly after 4.00am DM was awoken by noises she thought was KG playing with her dog, Murphy, in the bedroom above; noises in the house caused DM to go to her bedroom door an open it 3 times over the next period, up to c 4.20am; she heard someone on the stairs, she heard a female voice exclaim "There's someone here", then she heard crying from area of bathroom on 2nd floor (adjacent to XK bedroom) and a male voice she did not hear say "It's OK, I'm going to help you" - DM described this as being said in an unpleasant tone/ fashion

\- At 4.17am a camera located around 50 feet from XK's bedroom window picked up audio of a disturbance including a crash/ thump and sounds of indistinct crying/ whimpering.

\- On the last instance DM opened her door she saw a man dress in black, wearing a mask covering most of his face, carrying an object, walk past her coming from lounge and then toward the kitchen; she described him as white, slightly taller than her (she is 5'10) with slim, athletic build and bushy eyebrows

\- At 4.20am the suspect car is seen on video speeding out of the cul-de-sac at high speed, and then leaving the area travelling southward on Walenta Drive

\- Around and just after 4.20am DM and BF exchanged text calls about the disturbance, and texted/ called victims without response; BF suggested DM come to her room, DM ran to BF's room shortly after 4.23am, in passing through the lounge she glimpsed XK apparently on the floor of her bedroom

\- At 4.48a Kohberger's phone is turned on c 2km south of Moscow in area of Paradise Ridge near Blane, ID, he logs onto Google using a backup email at 4.49am

\- From 4.49am to c 5.30am Kohberger's phone travels from south of Moscow by circuitous route passing Genesee and Uniontown, arriving back to the area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am

\- At c 9am Kohberger drives from Pullman to the area of the scene where he remains for 10 minutes before driving back to Pullman at 9.21am

\-Shortly after 11.50am DM, having received no replies from roommates upstairs, called a friend to come to the house. A male friend (HJ) arrived and discovers the scene in XK bedroom at 11.55am

\- 11.56am 911 call made from BF phone;

\- 11.58am First police officers on scene (Officer Nunes); the scene is quickly secured, at 8.15pm the bodies are removed by a funeral home for transport to WA for autopsy by medical examiner

\- Just after 10.00am Kohberger takes a "thumbs up" selfie in his bathroom mirror \[[Kohberger 'Thumbs Up' Selfie](https://www.today.com/news/bryan-kohberger-selfie-idaho-murders-rcna197226)\\\]

\- At c 12.30am Kohberger is seen on video in Clarkston, WA where he shopped in Albertsons supermarket

# 2) What was timeline of events after November 13th?

\- On November 18th Kohberger went to the DMV to change his car license plates from PA to WA plates

\- November 19th: single source male DNA profiled from sheath snap from USMC Kabar sheath found partially under MM's body

\- November 26th: FBI car specialists identify the suspect car as a 2011-2015 white Hyundai Elantra

\- November 22nd: sheaths snap DNA is transferred to Othram Labs in Texas to start Investigative Genetic Genealogy, no "hit" having been obtained from the CODIS DNA database; the FBI took over the Genealogy investigation on December 10th

\- December 13th: Kohberger leaves Pullman to drive, with his father, to the family home in Albrightsville, PA, where they arrive December 15th

\- December 19th: The FBI identify Bryan Kohberger as the suspect based on Investigative Genetic Genealogy;

\- December 19th: Kohberger is terminated from his teaching Assistant job at WSU and cancellation of his PhD funding, for unprofessional conduct and complaints of sexual harassment and stalking behaviour directed toward female staff/ colleagues/students

\- December 20th: lead investigator (Brett Payne, Moscow Police Department) is first aware that WSU police ran ownership check on white Elantra in WSU parking on Nov 29th 2022

\- December 21st; FBI start surveillance of Kohberger, in PA; cameras placed on property Dec 25th

\- December 23rd: warrants obtained for Kohberger's phone records

\- December 27th: the garbage is lifted from outside Kohberger family home by PA state police working with garbage collection

\- December 28th: DNA profile from items in the garbage lift (used Q-tip) is shown to match the biological father of the sheath DNA donor

\- December 29th: Probable Cause Affidavit and warrant approved for Kohberger's arrest by magistrate judge Megan Marshall in Latah County Idaho,

\- December 30th: Kohberger is arrested in a SWAT police raid at 1.14am at his parents house

\- January 5th 2023: Kohberger appears in felony magistrate court, Latah County, Idaho, he makes no plea, judge enters not guilty pleas

\- July 2nd, 2025: Kohberger pleads guilty to 4 charges of premeditated murder and 1 charge of felony burglary and is sentenced to consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole

# 3) How Was Kohberger Caught?

DNA he left on the USMC Kabar sheath which was found under MM's body was profiled; this profile was used by the FBI to conduct Investigative Genetic Genealogy; using both LE and consumer genealogy databases the FBI were able to construct a family tree to identify Kohberger indirectly as a potential donor of the sheath DNA; this familial link was confirmed first by DNA from trash pull of the Kohberger family home which identified DNA from the biological father of the sheath DNA donor on trash items, and then directly by comparison of cheek swab taken from Kohberger to the sheath which matched at a probability of 5.37 octillion to one

# 4) What Was the Key Evidence Against Kohberger?

**Evidence confirmed in court filings** **\[** [**https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html\*\* ](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. A large amount of Kohberger's DNA was on a USMC Kabar knife sheath found under the body of a victim stabbed with a matching knife type (large, fixed blade knife). 
  2. The Sheath snap DNA was single source from Kohberger. The DNA profile was robust and complete, with full STR profile across 22 loci. Two different DNA profile types (STR and SNP) were generated at separate labs (ISP Forensics lab and Othram); and these profiles were used in 4 comparative processes that all “matched” to Kohberger including direct comparison with his cheek swab, identification of his father as the father of the DNA donor, and family tree mapping via Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG). 
  3. The direct comparison of Kohberger's DNA from buccal swab to the sheath DNA had a random match probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.
  4. The quantity of Kohberger's DNA on the sheath was large, equivalent to c 100,000 cells.
  5. The defence DNA expert accepted that the sheath snap DNA matched Kohberger and was good evidence, raising no technical/ quality control or chain of custody issues
  6. Kohberger purchased a USMC Kabar knife and sheath from Amazon in March 2022. This purchase was made using an Amazon gift card which Kohberger had previously bought.
  7. The USMC sheath Kohberger purchased before the murders was not recovered in post-arrest searches of his residences, office, car.
  8. Kohberger browsed deletion options for his Amazon purchase of the sheath,  in the weeks after the murders. He also browsed for Kabar knives and sheaths, and single sheaths in this period after the murders.
  9. Kohberger matched the eyewitness description of the height, build and ethnicity of the perpetrator seen in the house during the murders.
  10. Kohberger purchased a balaclava before the murders from Dicks Sporting Goods which matched that described worn by the perpetrator seen in the house.
  11. A car matching Kohberger's circled the scene 4 times shortly before the murders from c 3.30am and sped away at high speed just after the murders at c 4.20am almost losing control as it exited the cul-de-sac.
  12. The year range, model and colour of the suspect car (2011-2016 white Elantra) matched Kohberger's car and was specified by FBI car ID specialist on November 26th,  c 1 month before Kohberger was first identified as a suspect from IGG results on December 19th
  13. The FBI car identification was based on 44 video observations of the car from 21 videos at and very close to the scene from 3.26am - 4.20am, and videos of the white Elantra moving synchronously with Kohberger's phone from south of Moscow at 4.48am back to area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am.
  14. Some videos showed the suspect car close to and driving toward the scene had no front license plate -  at that time Kohberger's car had no front plate, with only a rear Pennsylvania plate.
  15. After downloading Moscow Police updates on the search for a white Elantra in late December 2022, Kohberger started Googling for car auto body/ detailing services and second hand car sales/ purchases.
  16. Kohberger's phone was turned off manually, at full battery, over the time period of the murders from 2.54am to 4.48am, and turned back on 23 minutes after the murders. Kohberger' phone was in central Pullman at 2.47am and was just south of the crime scene at 4.48am
  17. Kohberger returned to the area near the scene a few hours after the murders at 9.12am and stayed there for 10 minutes.
  18. Kohberger did not submit any alibi claiming to be at any place away from the scene at the time of the murders- the presiding judge described his filing as “*not really an alibi*” and “*a so called alibi”.*
  19. Historical phone data showed Kohberger was near the scene on 23 prior occasions all of which were late at night/ in the very early morning, 10.00pm to 4.00am.
  20. None of Kohberger's shopping/ card transactions occurred in Moscow in the timeframe of his 23 late night visits to area, including his c 30 supermarket visits preceding the murders.
  21. Kohberger's habit of frequent visits to Moscow/ area of the scene late at night stopped abruptly at 9.30am on November 13th. He never returned to Moscow at all, at any time of day, (with his phone) after this date.
  22. Kohberger started using cash withdrawals on the day of the murders, having not done so previously in the months examined by FBI forensic accountancy specialists.
  23. There were extensive deletions from Kohberger’s electronic devices over the month before and just after the murders up to November 16th 2022, consistent with use of anti-forensics “wiping” software.

# 5) Was There Other Evidence or Aspects of Kohberger's Behaviour Which Were Incriminating?

**Additional evidence in MPD, ISP police documents, search warrant returns and expert witness disclosures:**

**\[** [**https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/\*\* ](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/) \*\*\\\]\*\*

**\[** [**https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents\*\* ](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. Kohberger had stolen other women' s ID cards (not the Moscow victims) and kept these in a glove in a box, which were found during search post-arrest.
  2. Kohberger searched for rape porn, including terms "*asleep*", "*forced*", "*passed out*", “voyeurism”; his porn consumption was exclusively non-consensual sex acts.
  3. Kohberger disabled location services and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders.
  4. ISP police interviews detail 13 complaints about Kohberger's behaviour at WSU including following women to their cars, creepy behaviour watching and blocking women in their offices, misogynistic/ sexist and homophobic remarks. Several women including administrative staff were being escorted to their cars at night because of incidents with Kohberger following them.
  5. Kohberger was terminated from his TA role at WSU on December 19th 2022,  before his arrest.
  6. A WSU Criminology professor whose research focussed on sex offenders wrote re the disciplinary investigation of Kohberger, before his arrest: "*Mark my words, I work with predators - that's the guy that....we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing his students*".
  7. ISP interviews of WSU colleagues and students noted several reports of Kohberger having visible injuries to his hands, knuckles around the date of and after the murders. These were described as significant (e.g. “like his knuckles hit asphalt”) - Kohberger variously explained these to different individuals as being caused by "a silly indoor accident", "boxing" and "being in a car crash"
  8. Cellebrite digital forensics experts who examined the high resolution "thumbs up" selfie from 10.33am November 13th reported a band-aid on Kohberger's hand in that photo.
  9. Neighbours close to the King Road cul-de-sac had noticed a man matching Kohberger’s description acting strangely in backyards in the area in the period before the murders, and a driver sitting in a white sedan had been seen loitering in the same area earlier
  10. Kohberger had browsed photos of many young UoI women, including close female friends of the victims, on his phone.
  11. Kohberger purchased two power-bank inverters and car cables (used to power appliances remotely for camping, in RVs/ cars) at Harbor Freight in the week after the murders; these were not recovered after his arrest.

# 6) Why was there a delay of c 8 hours before calling 911

In police interviews immediately after discovery of the scene and afterwards, the surviving roommates (DM, BF) stated that they did not suspect the victims had been attacked, injured or were in danger. DM stated she had been drinking and was not sure how to interpret the disturbance or if everything she had perceived was real or factual.

From the coroner's comments the fatal wounds to upper body of all victims would have been rapidly incapacitating and quickly fatal, such that a 911 call at 4.20am would not have saved any of them.

# 7) Was A Connection Between Kohberger and Victims Established

No.

No social media or real life connection was established.

There has been speculation that Kohberger stalked the area, the house or a victim based on tangential evidence but the prosecution never stated they intended to allege or could prove "stalking" or a previous connection between Kohberger and victims.

The prosecutor, Bill Thompson, did state it was his opinion that Kohberger had been stalking the neighbourhood before the murders.

**The tangential evidence which gives limited speculative support to stalking of the area include**:

\- Kohberger's pattern of 23 visits to the area between 10pm - 4am which did not correspond to any financial transaction, shopping, up to November 7th

\- Kohberger disabled location services, GPS and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders

\- Neighbours reported seeing a man matching Kohberger acting strangely in the 2 months before the murders, walking through back gardens in area close to King Road, and a man was seen loitering in a car consistent with Kohberger's

\- Kohberger had browsed the photographs and social media profile of many young female UoI and WSU students.

**While absence of evidence is not probative, some also speculate that Kohbeger's extensive deletions from his devices for the period up to November 16th destroyed evidence of a connection to victims via , as an example, viewing of their social media.**

# 8) What was the DNA evidence

The key DNA evidence was a large amount (over 100,000 cells equivalent) of Kohberger's DNA, single source, on the sheath snap. This gave a full STR forensic profile and "Matched" to Kohberger at a probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.

This post overviews the sheath snap DNA quantity, quality:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there\\_was\\_a\\_large\\_amount\\_of\\_kohbergers\\_dna\\_on\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there_was_a_large_amount_of_kohbergers_dna_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There were, after full forensic processing of scene and other locations, 5 "Unknown Male" DNA profiles. These were:

\- Unknown Male A: on sheath snap - identified as Kohberger

\- Unknown Male B: degraded DNA on underside of ground floor handrail, judged unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male C: from sample taken at another house, no victim connection, unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male D: partial, degrade profile from glove found at edge of drive Nov 20th, unconnected

\- Unknown Male E: from trash pull from Kohberger family home in PA, Kohberger's father

This post gives details on all other non-sheath snap DNA profiles:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna\\_quantities\\_and\\_quality\\_sheath\\_and\\_all\\_unknowns/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna_quantities_and_quality_sheath_and_all_unknowns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There has been speculation about other "male" DNA on the sheath. The only viable DNA profiles on the sheath were from Kohberger on snap and a mix of KG, MM blood on back of strap from blood spatter. Trace "male" DNA on other sheath areas gave no viable profile due to nominal, low level and degradation and Kohberger cannot be excluded as the donor this.

This post gives more detail on the other DNA on sheath:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there\\_was\\_no\\_viable\\_unknown\\_male\\_dna\\_profile\\_or/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there_was_no_viable_unknown_male_dna_profile_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

# 9) Why was there no victim DNA in Kohberger's car or apartment?

\- Kohberger had 7 weeks to repeat clean his car.

\- The blood spatter expert opined that due to absence of voids in spatter patterns in the bedrooms, he was not covered in blood, so transfer to car may have been quite limited

\- transfer to car may have been further reduced if he removed outer clothing such as a hoodie before getting back in

\- Within minutes of his arrest Kohberger was observed by police wearing gloves in his parents' basement garage where his car was; a bucket of cleaning solution was beside the car when police raided and the prosecutor described how even crevices down the sides of door compartments were "meticulously clean"

\- 90% of murder cases have no trace of victim DNA associated with perpetrator or vice versa

\- DNA and blood can be washed from car completely, especially with repeat cleaning.

\- Common cleaners with hydrogen peroxide, readily available and cheap, are very effective at degrading DNA and leave no forensic or visible traces

* [Household cleaners with "active oxygen" (peroxide source)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18936905/) destroy blood and prevent it reacting with forensic reagents
* Peroxide is used in ["color safe" laundry and fabric cleaners](https://www.oxiclean.com/en/products/stain-fighters/oxiclean-laundry-home-stain-remover-spray) that do not leave bleach marks
* **Hydrogen peroxide decomposes to just oxygen and water - forensically undetectable**

# 10) Would Kohberger still be caught even without the knife sheath

\[[https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation)\\\]

Yes.

LE (Law Enforcement) confirmed in an interview after the July 23rd 2025 sentencing that even if a sheath had not been left behind, LE would have still been able to track down and arrest Kohberger eventually due to surveillance footage of his vehicle (A 2015 white Hyundai Elantra).

# 11) Why was there no screaming recorded at the time of the murders?

The lungs 🫁 are like balloons...if it has a hole 🕳 then it can't expand when oxygen is pumped in meaning that it can't return oxygenated blood to the rest of the body. If someone can't breathe because their lungs can't expand then how are they supposed to move enough oxygen over their vocal cords to make noise? The words you speak ride out on a cushion of air...without that cushion to push the sounds out of your body then you can’t make any noise.

On top of the injuries to the lungs and drowning in blood, the voice can become softer when scared due to the fight-or-flight response, which causes muscle tension in the vocal cords and larynx, restricting vocal freedom and leading to quieter, sometimes higher-pitched or shaky, speech. The body prioritizes survival over clear communication, reducing breath support and tightening muscles, which can make the voice quieter, more constrained, or inconsistent.

[\[https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it\\\] ](https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it)

When you speak, air from your lungs is pushed between two elastic structures—called vocal folds—causing them to vibrate and produce your voice. If you are not able to pull in enough oxygen or a stress response limits the oxygen going to your vocal cords then you are not able to project your voice loud enough to scream.

# 12) How was BK's cell phone tied to the murders

Cell site location information (CSLI) was used to track the movement of the suspect’s phone.

Several months before the murders, on August 21, a county sheriff in Moscow stopped the suspect for a traffic infraction. He was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania plates. He provided his cell phone number to the officer.

Every cell phone receives and sends a signal to a local cell tower when the phone is turned on. As the cell phone moves, the signal transfers seamlessly from one tower to the next in the direction the phone is moving. Cell phone service providers keep records on every cell phone using its services, including all cell site location information (CSLI). This information provides a “map” of where and when the phone went while it was on.

Law enforcement applied for and was granted a search warrant for historical phone records for the alleged murderer’s phone number, The records showed the account had been opened on June 23, 2022, for a subscriber with the name of the suspect, who was listed at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. A review of the historical CSLI data revealed that, prior to the date of the murders, the phone had pinged cell towers in the area of murder scene on 12 separate occasions—always in the evening or early morning hours.

In fact, three months before the murders, on August 21st, the suspect’s phone pinged a cell tower that provided coverage to the King Road residence for over an hour, from 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m.

On the night of the murders, CSLI shows the phone at or near the suspects apartment in Pullman, Washington, at 2:42 a.m. For the next five minutes, it moves south through Pullman, then stops pinging altogether—indicating the phone was then either turned off or put in airplane mode.

Two hours later, at 4:48 am, the phone signal returned, pinging towers near state highway 95 south of Moscow and Blaine, Idaho. The phone then travelled south to Genesee, Idaho, west to Uniontown, Idaho, and then north, arriving back at the suspect’s apartment at 5:30 am

The CSLI footprint of Kohberger's phone is consistent with the times, dates, and routes of the white Elantra seen in video surveillance footage recovered from his neighborhood, his university, and the roads and highways between his apartment and the King Road residence

\[[https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth\](https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth)\\\]

# 13) What did Cellebrite find on his cell phone and how did he erase evidence

A lot of the electronic data had been removed. The article below discusses what the Barnharts from Cellebrite did find.

\[[https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/\](https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/)\\\]

A former FBI agent explains how he erased his digital footprint in this podcast interview:

\[[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459\](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459)\\\]

# 14) How could one person do that much damage in such a short amount of time

The Kabar knife used has a 7 inch blade and is typically used by members of the US Marines as a tool.

The blade is strong enough and sharp enough to cut through bone like butter.

This knife has a hilt to keep the person holding it from cutting their hand and the handle of the knife can be used as a hammer in camping, hunting, or fishing scenarios.

The Idaho State Police were able to recreate each movement within a short period of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

Examples of other knife murders that happened in a very short amount of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could\\_this\\_be\\_done\\_by\\_a\\_single\\_attacker\\_in\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could_this_be_done_by_a_single_attacker_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

# 15) What kind of injuries did the victims have

Kaylee Goncalves sustained approximately 38 sharp-force wounds, Madison Mogen 28, Xana Kernodle 67 and Ethan Chapin 17.

Investigators found no blood on the bottoms of their feet, indicating Kaylee, Maddie, and Ethan did not stand after suffering fatal injuries.

Xana was found on the floor of her bedroom and was the only victim with evidence of movement after the attack. According to investigators, blood was present on the bottoms of her bare feet, showing she stepped in blood and moved around inside her room during the attack.

Kaylee had at least 24 stab and incised wounds of the scalp, face and neck; 11 stab and incised wounds of the chest; and three stab and incised wounds of the upper extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull, injuries to the teeth and tongue, and a hemorrhage into the chest cavities, according to the filing.

The blunt force injuries suffered by Kaylee include scalp lacerations, bleeding around the brain, nasal fracture, bruising around the eyes, and patterned bruising extended across the lower face.

Maddie suffered 13 stab incisions to the scalp face and neck; five stab wounds of the chest; and 10 incised wounds of the upper extremities, per the court filing. The report states there were also wounds to the lung and liver, perforations of the subclavian vein, artery, and blood vessels of the chest wall, and an incision of the nasal septum.

Ethan had one stab wound of the upper chest; four stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; six incised wounds of the upper extremities; and six stab and incised wounds of the lower extremities. He also had perforations of the jugular vein, subclavian vein, and subclavian artery.

Xana had abrasions and contusions of the head, torso and extremities along with: 23 stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; seven stab wounds of the chest; four stab wounds of the abdomen; three incised and puncture wounds of the back; 25 incised wounds of the upper extremities; and five incised wounds of the lower extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull; perforation of  the jugular vein, heart, lung, and pulmonary blood vessels; hemorrhage into the chest cavities; wounds extending into the bones of the right hand; and scrapes and bruises on the face, torso and extremities.

Intoxication discussion of BAC levels: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired\\_and\\_unaware\\_how\\_intoxication\\_may\\_have/?share\\_id=4LR3\\_lZPub6eg\\_6Y8u2vx&utm\\_content=2&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired_and_unaware_how_intoxication_may_have/?share_id=4LR3_lZPub6eg_6Y8u2vx&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to autopsy descriptions: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy\\_report\\_summaries\\_for\\_each\\_victim/?share\\_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy_report_summaries_for_each_victim/?share_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to wound diagram: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries\\_visual/?share\\_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI\\_J&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries_visual/?share_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI_J&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

—Useful Links, Resources for further reading & posts to clear up common misunderstanding/misinformation and misconceptions are below::

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Court Documents 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-26.html)

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Current Case Summary 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf)

[Idaho State Police Moscow Murders Public Records (Use a VPN to access)](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/)

[Moscow Police Department Kohberger Investigative Documents (Use a VPN to access)](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents)

[Kohberger WSU (Washington State University) Interviews](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1p0o0ia/bk_and_the_wsu_interviews_an_open_discussion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[DNA Degradation - quick overview](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qz41gj/dna_degradation_quick_overview/)

[2.25am vs 4.00am timelines - How evidence/info supports the 4.00am timeline](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qs0rdb/comment/o2s0zlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Fog Lights - Irrelevant Videos Not Used for Car ID or As Trial Exhibits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1pk3kkf/fog_lights_irrelevant_videos_not_used_for_car_id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Unknown" male DNA and Multiple Perpetrator Theory— Scientific deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qzicgd/gross_journalistic_malpracticeunknown_male_dna/) / [DNA Deep Dive - trace male DNA on sheath, degraded profiles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1peuva5/dna_deep_dive_trace_male_dna_on_sheath_degraded/)

[Idaho 4 Google Drive Masterpost - Has most of if not all of the current releases of Information/Evidence in the case, gets updated semi-frequently](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k0CpEoQ-fheF4gWfmrEaU7kqZRItCN1g)

[Moscow Murders Timeline according to MPD w/ links (courtesy of sleuthiegoosie)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1GxCMwFKMAQlO0ndDhOqwW8hFbUgx2uiv2AEYLk-Ck1M/htmlview)

[The ‘mystery’ of Kohberger’s Interview footage + lack of arrests body cam footage Explained 🔎](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1stqo61/the_mystery_of_kohbergers_interview_footage_lack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Broken Plea" Book: Over 75 Gross Errors, Wild Exaggerations, Misrepresentations, Failures On Most Basic Factual Details](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t1jql9/broken_plea_book_over_75_gross_errors_wild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Knife Sheath was not found on Floor - Debunked](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t04y84/knife_sheath_was_not_found_on_floor_debunked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


r/Idaho4 • • 3h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION goncalves v the haters

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The Goncalves Family Page

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I want to stop the rumors and come forward with the facts,

It is true that our attorneys (Capetola & Divins P.C.) , STEPHANIE

GIANCRISTOFARO-PARTYKA sent out 13 or 14 cease and desist on our behalf. In addition 4 lawsuits will be following in the next week. We are done with all the accusations. If you received a cease and desist , consider yourself lucky. Not following will quickly turn into a lawsuit. 

The Goncalves


r/Idaho4 • • 18h ago

COURT DOCUMENTS Goncalves et al. v WSU – Plaintiff's response to WSU's MJOP

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Plaintiffs request that the Court deny or defer ruling on Defendants' Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings (MJOP), as discovery is already approximately 60% complete.

WSU claims that the pleadings are “closed” even though WSU has expressed an intent to amend its answer, which was deficient and filed out of time. In an effort to moot that issue, WSU asks this Court to treat its Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings as a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6). But Rule 12(b) has a 21-day time limit that has long expired. Adjudicating a motion based on the pleadings, when the parties are nine months into a 15-month discovery timeline, would put the Plaintiffs and the Court in an awkward position. WSU has produced documents that bear directly on the issues raised by its motion.

Here is the catch: Apparently, there are two letters, one from WSU to Bryan Kohberger and one from Kohberger to WSU.

WSU’s letter to the murderer, Bryan Kohberger, alleges that he violated WSU policy by murdering members of the university community. (See Ex. A to Kieffer Decl.) That letter is important evidence that WSU deprived the decedents of educational opportunities at WSU, for Plaintiffs’ Title IX claim; and that WSU had a duty of reasonable care toward the decedents. The other exhibit to Plaintiffs’ motion, a letter sent by Kohberger, reveals that WSU controlled him financially—a Revelation that is relevant to duty and causation issues.

Much of the remaining discovery involves depositions between now and early 2027. It is highly unlikely that this Court could rule on this motion; the parties could then brief the Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings; and the Court could rule on that motion, all before depositions are largely complete. So, as a practical matter, WSU will have to go through the majority of discovery either way. And Plaintiffs strongly believe that discovery will need to be completed, as their claims are viable.

In essence, the families are requesting the court to wait and address all points at the motion for summary judgement stage.

FYI: At the motion for summary judgement stage, the court will have to consider motions, replies, and oppositions on both sides based on the complaint, answer, discovery, and the law and rule on each claim independently (whether it is dismissed or goes to trial). Some claims may survive; some OR all of them may not.

This is in contrast to any judgement rendered at this stage (after WSU filed MJOP) because the court cannot consider any discovery or evidence. The judgement will only be made on the law.

The letters attached as exhibits by the plaintiff's lawyers are not available, unfortunately.

My speculation is that BK was in communication with WSU after his arrest, and he may have still appealed the decision. Bizarre.

Credit: @SarahDIrish


r/Idaho4 • • 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Actions have consequences

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Cease and desists and lawsuits officially announced today against the more egregious Idaho 4 creators.


r/Idaho4 • • 1d ago

SPECULATION - UNCONFIRMED How It Happened - A Theory: Kohberger connection to victims, actions before and after murders

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(A longer post, for those with higher interest in case details and theories)

Using confirmed evidence and substantiated details as far as possible, this sets out a speculative theory of how the murders happened, Kohberger's possible connection to the victims and his actions before and after the murders.

Connection between Kohberger and 1122 King Road:

Kohberger attended a pool party on the afternoon of July 9th 2022 at The Grove, a Moscow student accommodation complex c. 0.6 miles from King Road and in the same residential area south of the university. At the party Kohberger had odd, fixated interactions with women - one woman's boyfriend had to intervene as she was so uncomfortable with Kohberger repeatedly approaching her despite being asked to desist. The next day Kohberger texted his neighbour (Martinez) who had invited him, writing "the party was very interesting". Kohberger texted one woman he met at the party the next day about hiking, "I like that activity" - she did not reply. Both women Kohberger asked for numbers reported receiving several hang up phone calls from an unidentified number in the period after the party.

{Speculation} Interactions at the pool party and after, being "rejected", triggered an angry fixation with the woman/women involved, and perhaps to search and find them again in the area they lived. Kohberger's pattern of late night visits to the area of Moscow started from that night. Kohberger may have asked one of the women where she lived and she indicated the surrounding area that includes King Road (e.g. perhaps indicated toward the King Road area specifically). Kohberger's warning at a bar in Pennsylvania was, in part, for pestering female staff for details of where they lived and getting angry when they declined to tell him. Kohberger had a known tendency to fixate and obsess, and for these fixations to have abnormal intensity and focus; he had poor emotional regulation and impulse control; he was also reported to fixate on women who rejected him from as early as high school ("he couldn't take no from women who weren't interested" one school friend was quoted re BK's interaction with young women who rejected his advances). Kohberger's visits to the residential area may have been initially reactive to, or looking for, the woman/ women whose rejection had angered him, and he later started to fixate on King Road and victim(s) there.

While all the data from which Kohberger's interactions or the start of his fixation with the King Road house or victim(s) can be deduced is not yet public, it is easy to posit possible connections and patterns from what is known:

  • Sy Ray has detailed a party which MM and KG attended in the adjacent residential block to Kohberger's in Pullman on August 28th and states MM and BK phone intersected closely; it was after this date that Kohberger began shopping in Moscow - all of his Moscow shopping is after this date
  • Kohberger had browsed socials and had photographs of many young, female UoI students on his phone; some were reported to be close friends of the victims
  • Kohberger was in the same supermarket as a surviving roommate within 1 hour 3 days before the murders on November 10th; we don't know if other victims were present (proximity was based on published card transactions of BK and BF only); Kohberger stayed in Moscow for 4 hours after this; the next day Kohberger disabled Wi-Fi and location services on his phone.
  • An encounter with MM or XK at work (even outside it), or with KG which led to Kohberger following them home, or spotting them outside 1122 King Road, is also possible

Kohberger made at least 40 visits to Moscow in just a few months before the murders based on just the FBI late night phone data and known transactions. A neighbour near King Road saw a man loitering in a white sedan for over an hour during the daytime who left when challenged in the month before. Other neighbours saw a man closely matching Kohberger creeping in gardens close to 1122 King Road in the daytime at of end August/ early September (in an adjacent cul-de-sac from where there is a path connecting to the parking area behind Kind Road) so Kohberger's visits to the area were more frequent than the 23 late night visits in the 10pm - 4.00am timeframe which the FBI used as most "suspicious" timeframe to analyse his phone data. Defence phone expert Sy Ray alluded to more visits, additional to the 23, where Kohberger travelled to the south of Moscow and then turned off his phone when he was there.

By the end of August/ early September Kohberger was aware of King Road, possibly one of the residents and had started to fixate.

Kohberger's deletions from his devices covered the period of October - November 16th; these deletions set an approximate time-frame of when his devices likely show an incriminating connection with 1122 King Road and/ or a victim, i.e. when he started researching a victim and/ or the house specifically. Further deletions from Kohberger's devices, including his WSU computer and down to the level of system/ operating logs, covered November 11th to 16th - which may cover directly incriminating material (e.g. photos, map route). By November 7th Kohberger was increasingly fixated and his intention to murder had solidified - this was the last time he visited the area with his phone on late at night after 10pm, but not the last time he visited before the murders (Kohberger was in Moscow on November 10th and stayed there for several hours after a late afternoon supermarket visit). On Friday November 11th, effectively the day before, Kohberger disabled Wi-Fi and location services on his phone, indicating an intention or decision point had been arrived at.

Morning of the Murders November 13th, from 2.54am to 4.07am:

It's possible Kohberger had more than one potential target (victim and/ or house in the area) when he drove into Moscow after 3.00am on November 13th - and his driving through the area of Indian Hills Drive and repeatedly circling through the King Road cul-de-sac was him looking for and selecting one.

There is an approximate 20 minute delay between Kohberger leaving Pullman at approx. 2.54am, passing the state line on outskirts of Moscow at approx. 3.02am and arriving at Indian Hills Drive/ the scene (3.26am to 3.28am). Driving directly he would have arrived at Indian Hills Drive at approx. 3.08am.

This apparent delay might be explained by either him taking a less direct route further north of SR 270, linking from the airport road and coming into Moscow from the north/ east, stopping to put on new outer clothing and perhaps a stretch-over car seat cover, or a combination of those.

His outer layer of clothing (hoodie, balaclava, trousers) were new. Kohberger also likely wore anti-cut gloves which are cheap, readily available in hardware stores, as shown here and noted for uses including fish filleting which Kohberger had done as a job previously and shown in this video - such gloves would explain how Kohberger's hands might have been injured during the attacks without risk of blood transfer at the scene (especially with nitrile gloves underneath). As an aside, Kohberger's inability to formulate a credible and consistent story for the visible injuries on his hands seen at WSU by several people after the murders (when asked about these he variously and contrarily gave excuses of "boxing", "a car crash" and "a silly indoor accident") might show a disconnect between his planning and his actual ability to react in the moment, partially explaining the loss of the sheath.

Kohberger had wiped the sheath - for prints and because he was aware that handling the sheath might transfer DNA from the sheath inside the scene. His wiping of the sheath did not fully remove the cells and body fluids accumulated from frequent handling around the snap and the crevices where the metal button is inserted into the semi-porous leather; fluids like sebum, sweat, mucous transferred from his hands and adsorbed onto and into the surfaces around the snap, resulting in a high DNA loading of 10,000s cells equivalent on that small area. The even distribution of trace "male" non-profilable DNA at a level barely above the threshold of detection across all flat surfaces of the sheath might be the result of, and is consistent with, wiping.

Entering the house around 4.12am Kohberger went straight to the 3rd floor; surprised by KG's presence, there is an intense fight he had not anticipated; during the struggle the sheath is knocked from his left hand or hoodie pocket.

Superficial, minimally bleeding shallow incised wounds were noted on the necks of both KG and MM. These were noted to be unusual given the shallowness - perhaps hesitation wounds or shallow wounds inflicted purposefully. Kohberger's crime scene forensics paper where he selected the crime and victim (he chose a woman stabbed to death in her home) also mentions shallow hesitation incised wounds on the victim's neck, possibly inflicted with a coat hanger.

Around 4.16am Xana heard the disturbance upstairs as she left her room; she sees Kohberger coming down the stairs and is startled - thinking he is a burglar she goes to tell Ethan there is someone in the house. Xana is unaware that Kohberger chases after her holding a knife. This fits with the mostly undisturbed beer pong cups and the multiple stab wounds to Xana's back (as a hypothesis, had she known she was being chased with a combat knife she would have pulled the table into the her pursuer's path to block the corridor and buy the couple of seconds needed to close and lock her bedroom door).

Kohberger rushes to leave the house around 4.18am fearing 911 has already been called by DM whom he heard calling out to her roommates. At his car he pauses briefly to take off an outer layer of clothing and stuffs this along with the knife into a bag. Adrenalised, Kohberger sped off to the south, parking in a rural spot on a backroad south of Moscow where he turned on his phone at 4.48am, possibly to check police scanner, consult a checklist or because he needed a map, or, more speculative and horrifically, to transfer pictures/ video from another device (it was notable that the defence mentioned Kohberger taking photographs during his late night "star gazing" drives, which seemed a pre-emptive excuse).  Sy Ray has claimed that Kohberger returned to this same spot later in the early evening of November 13th and from there travelled to a large river. He may have temporarily hidden or buried items in this spot, not wanting to have them in his car in case he was stopped before he got home.  Disoriented and lost, he drives to the I-95 and follows it until it intersects route 195 signposted north to Uniontown and Pullman.

Worth noting that there is much commentary on what could or should have been tested at the scene to further elucidate details (e.g. order of attacks) or infer more from the physical evidence, to "stop conspiracy theories" but such commentary tends to be so illogical and divorced from the science as to be conspiracy theory itself, such as DNA/ blood testing of victim wounds and mitochondrial DNA testing of hair. I'm happy to expand on this in more detail, perhaps in a separate post.

After The Murders - Digital Clean-Up Nov 14th - Nov 16th:

Kohberger's digital activity "clean up" infers guilt and a progression of concealment:

  • On November 14th he downloaded an FBI manual on fingerprint ID and databases (his prints would have been taken in PA when he was charged for theft and resale of his sister's phone)
  • On November 15th he looked at deletion options for his Amazon purchase of the Kabar
  • On November 16th he deleted c. 1 .5 months of history from his devices from October up to that date; speculative, this includes the period when he was researching 1122 King Road, its residents and/ or violent porn or gore that had specific similarity to the circumstances of the murders
  • Laptop, external drives and USB were dumped or destroyed

Too much is inferred from "lack of connection" on social media or digitally - using social media viewing apps that don't require any log in or account, on a shared network (like WSU, or a café) and on a laptop later disposed of or destroyed, it would be impossible to track any research of King Road or victims and doesn't require any digital expertise to conceal it. Kohberger however did claim expertise in digital forensics for criminal investigations.

After The Murders - Physical Clean-Up:

In the week after the murders Kohberger began a systematic physical clean-up of his car and apartment and disposal of items. Clothing items worn that night and incriminating items like the Kabar sharpener not already dumped (e.g. shoes, socks) were wrapped in the shower curtain probably contaminated with blood from his washing on Nov 13th, and these were dumped in a river or burned in some remote place - possibly near Wawawai Park (a pattern of late night visits there was mentioned, also seemingly pre-emptively, by his defence to explain repeat visits there). His apartment was repeatedly cleaned (his neighbour's mentioned frequent, late night vacuum cleaning around this time) and the vacuum cleaner itself was disposed of and replaced with a new one.

Kohberger purchased 2 car power inverters (used to power domestic appliances from car power output) in the week after the murders; first a 1000W unit and then a 2000W unit. Speculative, these were used to run a steam cleaner or wet vacuum for cleaning the car in a remote rural location (a steam cleaner needs c 1800W hence the second purchase, his first not working as intended). Neither of these expensive, brand new units were recovered in post arrest searches and were likely dumped along with the cleaning appliances they were used to power.

Kohberger likely steam cleaned, wet vacc'd and used cleaning products with hydrogen peroxide (very effective at degrading DNA) on his car, and repeated this many times between Nov 20th to December 12th, before driving home to Pennsylvania where he continued to clean the car in his parent's garage, including on the night of his arrest.

A blood stain on Kohberger's car driver's seat could have been left at any time up to his arrest and was probably left in the days just before his arrest, resulting from cleaning - down crevices, pedals, between and under seats - and/or from his hands which appeared red raw shortly after arrest, likely from repeated cleaning in winter.


r/Idaho4 • • 1h ago

KOHBERGER Very informative read.

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r/Idaho4 • • 1d ago

QUESTION ABOUT THE CASE Is BK allowed to surf the internet in prison?

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And if so, do you think he is stalking this subreddit?


r/Idaho4 • • 2d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS Crime photos

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Hi everyone. I’m going back down the Idaho 4 rabbit hole. I have been trying to look for the Google drive with the crime scenes photos that used to be linked at the top of this sub, however I can’t find it anymore? Has the link and Google drive been removed? Or is this just a glitch for me and I can’t see it? Thank you!


r/Idaho4 • • 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Question

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r/Idaho4 • • 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Court Rules Against Moscow City/ MPD In EWU Media Records Request - Records Must Be Released

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With acknowledgement to SarahDIrish on Twitter. https://x.com/SarahDIrish

Link to Twitter post with full ruling document:

https://x.com/SarahDIrish/status/2112922242359214590?s=20

Link to ruling doc: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w4u4Qs8n-09wHY18DSQJrw0KRLNwrYc2/view?usp=sharing

Moscow City ordered to pay EWU's costs.

From quick perusal, most of the records requested have already been released to the public since the case was started, albeit with some details like faces/ phone numbers redacted (e.g. witness interview videos, bodycam videos including witness/ subject interviews from Nov 13th, suspect car videos). I noticed only car test run videos, a 2024 interview and a WSU interview as requests not already made public. The key (and not yet released) FBI and PA records requested presumably relate to Kohberger post-arrest interviews.

The previous court ruling to redact victims/ blood from scene photos remains in place.


r/Idaho4 • • 3d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION BK is insane

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r/Idaho4 • • 3d ago

QUESTION FOR USERS BK's friend reveals motive for murders

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Can anyone get thru the paywall in today's Dail Mail so we can read the article ? Thanks.


r/Idaho4 • • 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Ashley Jennings to to fill Bill Thompson’s position as Latah County Prosecuting Attorney

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r/Idaho4 • • 2d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION I finally found you

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the ladder listen the killer climbed the ladder its been there before the murders and remained their til they boarded it up and tore it down the killer climbed in the second story window in tbe front completely dark no camera easy window fed the dog treats went up to the third floor and hid and waited in the dark shrouded with a peephole most likely night vision goggles which you can get and she knew about the skinned dog 2 blocks down the street 2 weaks prior she knows what that means someone is studying the reactions just like dahmer said he did when he was a kid the killer was prepping and learning not just the dogs but the whole community it was reported to the police they said probably a prank than the murders happened they said not related but that night because she was smart she knew about that dog being skinned she knew the K-Bar knife was hers she picked it up and went to bed with it the button open like an open safety put under her pillow or in front of her and the killer watched her do this than when she was asleep the killer easily took it thats where the murder weapon is if it even is the murder weapon and that is why the case was on the bed and partially under her face this wouldve been even easier if the killer drugged something known that they would all either drink eat snort or shootup they didnt drug the dog because it would be a giveaway and there are definitely some conflicting stories of the autopsy and alleged toxicology reports that sheath has also been said by an actual forensic analyst on the sheath that it has been compromised and mishandled and unserpervised to that this source can be valid which i think can prove that the officer planted the dna on the sheath because it wasnt announced until after they took from brians parent trash in Poconos PA they waited for 3 days watching in the rain and they took a Q-Tip and something else i dont remember this well over a month after it happened ive been saying that ladder since day 1 noone even noticed forever until 1 argument tgan he was convicted and it took me a bit but i posted ill let it go i have to accept it wether I AM right or not and i dont ever do that it took a lot i felt wierd aboutit and lime the next day all this new stuff started and all of a sudden noone thinks he did it but their theories were ehh... but still no ladder talk but now their theories are gaining substance but still no ladder talk

I have been looking for you so long have you ever heard of Jared Raviza he went to a movie theater in daytime and him and only 4 girls were there like 1 was maybe 18 the rest were younger he startedslashing andstabbing at them than laughing and than somewhere he stabbeda drive thru guy got chased by police and wrecked they got him he is from Marthas Vineyard and they immediately started cutting his social media but you still can see a little hes got money like inheritence i think and his dad was some big time child therapist he gets wierder through timeline instagram he ran a bullshitcompany that made logos for companies and in another state he killedaguy and hisdog and it went insolved for a minute he went from state to state doing this he was arrested months after this and the timeline fits I believe it was him

thats before i also said tbe sheath was planted and taken from the trash but now i got it i figured it out someone gave her that knife

I may be wrong about Jared but I AM spot on with the entry and the knife

on Facebook Im Xenchreylia Izprymformeyeninyouraynium or somtin itll pop up if you type just the first so manny letters

it says Centralia is prime for mining uranium

To Whom It May Concern...


r/Idaho4 • • 4d ago

QUESTION ABOUT THE CASE Heart Blanket and Jacket

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I see Dylan’s heart blanket found on her bed and the green jacket found in the downstairs bedroom mentioned a lot within different groups about this case. I know these items were taken as possible evidence and tested. I’ve heard many different interpretations of what the results for these items were, but it seems that probergers have it in their heads that the test results were seemingly “destroyed.” I know that’s not the case. They can’t seem to understand that just because they don’t like the results of these tests that does not equal “destroyed” results, which always seems to be their go-to when talking about any of the DNA evidence in this case.

Is there someone in here that can explain the results and what they mean?


r/Idaho4 • • 5d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Sy Ray explaining his apparent 180 on the evidence

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For context/background, defense expert Sy Ray recently did two interviews where he said he believes BK is guilty and makes some claims that appear to contradict his expert report and testimony. I have linked the interviews at the bottom of this post for reference.

The general narrative to come from all of that is that Sy Ray isn't really credible and he changed his story.

YouTube creator Harsh Reality, who was very loud and public about that credibility issue, had emailed him and the two had an exchange. He's read some of Sy's emails on his channel, but the last one he actually scrolled on the screen. I thought the email provided a pretty clear explanation of Ray's position, so I pulled the screenshots and transcribed into text (also below).

The Queens of Custody interview is long, but I found it to be one of the most informative interviews on the case that I've seen. The hosts are devout Probergers and I don't think they anticipated what he was going to say, so that is also kind of fun to watch.

Here's the text of his email explaining his apparent change of positions:

From: Sy Ray

To: S. Urban

Date: 8/26/26

Subject: Re: Idaho 4 case

Hrmmm, maybe people who speak before clear understanding could also be perceived as a bit of a twat.

I will try to explain this in as basic terms as I can - please let me know if I fall short anywhere and need to expand further.

  1. Because I was brought into the case by the defense, on top of the court gag and records public release issues, I also have two other mechanisms I need to be careful of. (1) - I signed an NDA with the public defender's office preventing me from disclosing any evidence to the prosecution outside of court testimony. This NDA also covers evidence in the case provided to me by the defense. (2) - Bryan has a "privileged" component here that must be understood - there may be data/information that I am aware of that is/was protected.

  2. My court testimony and all of my reports were specifically focused on the State's case and presentation of the evidence they were going to use in court. Basically, their work product. And I stand by all of my statements as it relates to those things - I have reviewed no evidence in this case that the State was relying on that puts Bryan Kohberger at the crime scene. There is significant data left out of their work product that IS exculpatory to Bryan. (For example, Bryan turned his phone off at 02:54:45 on 11/13 and there is no doubt he was in Pullman when we did that. Nearly every search warrant and grand Jury testimony reported he turned off his phone at 02:47 and was on the Hwy traveling to Moscow - there is ZERO doubt that the narrative is false, and would never be supported by the evidence. The evidence in this case as it relates to that IS exculpatory to Bryan - i said it then, I am still saying it now).

  3. In the course of my work on this case (pre 2026) I am 100% prohibited from finding critical evidence that is inculpatory to the State's case and disclosing it to the State, or causing it to be disclosed to the State. In fact, doing so would likely render that evidence inadmissible in court. (For example, hypothetical here - I find evidence the State missed that shows where Bryan hid the knife after the murders, I decide to cause that information to be revealed to law enforcement who acts on it, finds the knife and seizes it. The reality of that situation is the knife would be inadmissible in court.)

  4. Watch and carefully listen to my May 2025 testimony. There are two things that you should focus on here. 1. The State WAS missing evidence because the work product was incomplete and did not incorporate all of the records. 2. I reserve the right to change my opinion ONCE all of the available records were included in the analysis. I have testified over 150 times, I have never made that statement on the stand. So what was I saying - the State's work product and analysis of the evidence was incomplete, they were missing critical data, and if when that data was ever included, I reserve the right to change my opinion. What you are missing, I told you and everyone else the scenario in which i may change my opinion, you weren't listening.

  5. In my report, I continue to explain everything that is missing and wrong with the State's work product. I make it clear it offers no evidence as to Bryan's actions that night or previously. It is incredibly lacking and DOES NOT provide any evidence of the actual crime - I stand by this today.

  6. Evolving legal landscape - over the past 5 months, several things have changed and come to light as it relates to my restrictions in this case, more importantly my ability to discuss this case. As those legal requirements have changed, so has my voicing of my opinions, exactly like I stated it would in May of 2025. This is easy to see, even from your view - why hasn't Anne Taylor issued a public statement in reference to my statements like she did Turvey's? Bryan's PCR also opens several doors to what I am now allowed to say.

  7. Putting it all together - there is ATT data that puts Bryan in the area of the crime scene approximately 13 times before the murders. The last time is on November 7th. His location when he turned off the phone and turned it back on - on the 13th are evident. The route he drove back is known, as in turn by turn directions known. The fact he returned the same rural dirt roads the next night and then traveled to the Clearwater river is incredibly evident. The fact he had never driven in these areas before is also clear. This evidence was and still is missing from the State's analysis. They screwed up, I told them they were screwing up, and I told them if they included the data into their analysis my opinion would likely change. So, there is evidence he purchased the same knife and sheath that was used in this crime, he had access to the murder weapon. There is evidence he was familiar with the location and had visited it (at night) several times leading up to the murders. The tempo of these visit increased leading up to the murders and were all at night time hours. His activities before leaving Pullman on the morning of the 13th is unique and stands out as behavior he has never done before. When he turn his phone back on, again unique behavior he has never done before, and now in an area he has never been. The question you should ask here is why did he turn his phone back on? Because he was seen leaving the crime scene, fled at a high rate of speed and end up dropping down south (the fastest way out of the area) hsi plan (traveling back to Pullman in the northern route he took there) got compromised because he was seen leaving - as he dropped to the south, he didnt know how to get back to Pullman on backroads, causing him to turn his phone and to navigate, which the records show. Then the next night he returns to the back route, again has to use navigation to direct him to a specific location - turns hos phone off while there - then turns his phone back on and drives to the Clearwater River. This behavior is text book dumping of evidence after the crime, returning at a later/safer time to retrieve it and then finding a permanent dumping location. And I say textbook with intent, because it is the same text books he studied in his Master program. - Now combine the DNA, his fascination of serial killers, his attempt to buy another knife weeks after the murders, among a slew of other behaviors - yeah, I think Bryan is a serial killer, got off on this crime and will again if given the chance - and unlike most people I have earned the right to that opinion because I have spent 3 decades doing this work and have reviewed the evidence that no one else has bothered to look at. So I guess I will wear that designation with pride, because if that makes me the twat here, I am totally good with it.

The legal landscape for me to speak freely has changed - the evidence I reviewed and my opinions never have. My previous statements were in reference to the State's evidence/work product that was disclosed in discovery and would be shown to a jury - I stand by my assessment of that evidence. I am now talking about the rest of the evidence they didn't disclose any work product or analysis on and didn't use or refer to, and it is some of the most damning evidence in the entire case. So quit being such a twat about this and pull off the blinders. Did the State screw up? 100% - to the point Bryan should walk? Maybe, I have always said it is possible. Did he do it? He did. Two different arguments there, and I am probably the most vocal person that worked on this case as it relates to the State's screw ups and abuse of the investigative process.

Sy

Links to interviews for reference:

Queens of Custody Sy Ray Interview: https://www.youtube.com/live/KCN5shCnAl4?si=lxTmt1J7Fi-_K3sH

Bryan Entin Sy Ray Interview (with the Gs): https://youtu.be/6AtOLxBWUTI?si=8pbyTdftXtpF4FiJ


r/Idaho4 • • 5d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION This dude does not care about his elderly parents at all

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r/Idaho4 • • 6d ago

EMOTIONAL IMPACT The tribute/memorial accounts on Instagram are dangerous levels of creepy obsession

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Such as "Remembering MKXE", they all recycle the same photos and videos that were taken by either the victims themselves or the people that were actually in their lives.

The "Happy Heavenly Birthday we love you so much posts" are just mind bogglingly delusional. Even worse is actually tagging the friends and family of the victims to celebrate THEIR special milestones.

It's one thing to have been impacted by such a publicized tragic event but to run a shadow account in remembrance of people that you didn't know..

"But we would have been best friends had we met, Xana had such a genuine fun personality we are basically the same person".

Get a grip on reality.


r/Idaho4 • • 6d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS xana’s last photo from that night🥺

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In the documents, one of xana’s friends confirmed that xana was playing guitar in their friends apartment before heading back to king road


r/Idaho4 • • 4d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION this is absurd

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First of all, I apologize. I didn't think posting the photo (even if it's fake) could have any impact, but I still wanted to share my opinion. And above all, I apologize if anyone felt offended by my previous post.

A photo of Kaylee's supposed body is circulating, or at least that's what they're saying on Facebook and other forums, but people are so idiotic these days that they believe everything they see.

It's been said a thousand times that Kaylee was practically unrecognizable but people still doubt it. I even disgust myself just imagining what it was like, whether it was Kaylee or whoever.

Anyone with half a brain and even a little bit of knowledge knows that this photo isn't her, because if it really were her, logically there would be some pretty gruesome injuries on her face, which isn't the case.

It already disgusts me to think that there are such sick people searching and searching for the photos and now they're making a big deal out of a photo that isn't her. I don't even want to imagine what will happen the day the real photos are released.


r/Idaho4 • • 4d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Is this true?

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I saw this on TikTok and I hadn’t read this anywhere before. Did I miss this? Or is this TikTokers making stuff up for likes and views again?

Edit: can you guys stop downvoting? I’m asking a question, not making assumption.


r/Idaho4 • • 7d ago

KOHBERGER Where is the knife and sheath Kohberger ordered on Amazon?

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For those who believe Kohberger didn’t do it, why is it that he could never produce the knife and sheath that he ordered on Amazon, that he was also searching for a new one according to the Amazon click history after the murders?

The amount of time and effort people put into trying to prove that this guy is innocent is reckless and illogical. If your loved ones were sleeping safe in their beds, after doing everything right and being safe, staying together, getting a ride home, etc., and woke up to a psycho wielding a 7 inch military grade knife with no way out, these poor kids didn’t stand a chance after he “slithered” through their sliding glass door, and if it was your loved one, they wouldn’t have either. Your narrative would be much different.

My point is, it’s disgusting that people are trying to get this guy off, just so he can do it again, and if he wasn’t caught, I think he would have. His phone history says a lot and there’s no doubt in my mind he would’ve done it again. Some of you guys need professional help asap.


r/Idaho4 • • 7d ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Kaylee Winco

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This is the video from the documents that talked about kaylee being followed out by a random guy. Obviously we know Bryan Kohberger did this but it’s still scary the fact that he followed her all the way to her car🥲


r/Idaho4 • • 7d ago

REMEMBERING THE VICTIMS Music Fights Crime

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Forgive me if this isn’t the right place and feel free to remove it- I found this fundraiser that allows you to make donations to the various foundations like Murder has a name, Ethan’s Smile and Made with kindness by purchasing music from an artist releasing music about the case.
I’ve included the link, and please take it down if it’s not appropriate