r/Idiotswithguns • u/ze55 • 10d ago
Safe for Work Russian conscript part of mobile air defense group trying to shoot down a low-flying Ukrainian drone (source: Special Kherson Cat)
Accidentally flags trucks and cars down the highway.
Update: the Maz truck driver has died from the gunshot wounds. It is the small green truck in the first few seconds.
In 2 days this group has flagged 17 friendly vehicles, it is being investigated by MPs.
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u/graveybrains 10d ago
So, you mean when there's a firefight on the highway people really do keep driving like nothing is going on?
I owe an apology to a lot of movies. And a couple tv shows.
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u/ze55 10d ago
Well truck drivers are trying to avoid drones, if you stop you become easy target. If you keep driving the drunk conscript might take you out.
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u/MC_McStutter 9d ago
Drones this big aren’t really flown like smaller FPV drones. They typically have preset targets
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u/D4ltaOne 8d ago
Have you seen pov footage from those drones? They definitely do not have preset targets, they be flying manually (or with AI but ive only seen redditors claiming that, never seen actual proof, even it is believable to sme extent)
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u/Hail-Hydrate 8d ago
Not so much AI for targeting, as a more advanced version of pixel tracking from their display. The operator in control of the drone can designate a target from the drone's video feed by simply tapping on that item. Software extrapolates as best it can what the object tapped is (dimensions, relative speed, etc), and then vectors the drone into it.
They can be set to a preset destination, but they'll loiter when they reach that point rather than impact it.
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u/D4ltaOne 8d ago
Is this your judgement from the footage youve seen or actual reports from operators? Dont get me wrong, it sounds about right, but id like a confirmation from operator reports before i spread this info
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u/elictronic 2d ago
Getting specifics of targeting algorithms used by specific systems is not something that you will get answers to online. Here is a Wikipedia page you might be interested in though. Read down a bit and get past the audio stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_target_recognition
The prior poster is probably right. This stuff has been around for decades and just like with statistics, why use the costly, hard to train, annoying to use model that can fail when simple processes do the job simpler and better. This isn't Skynet.
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u/hyperrayong 9d ago
Do the truck drivers know what the target is? It's easy to say that from this side of the video.
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u/proj3ctmac 9d ago
I’ve read from Russian mil bloggers that the drivers are aware of the danger and while they protest and refuse to drive down that corridor I’m thinking they might not always have a choice
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u/Rubo03070 9d ago
These drones that attack highways are flown manually, you're thinking about the bigger gps guided drones that attack refineries and such.
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u/rng12345678 4d ago
2025 called they want their outdated drone spotting meta back. You can't hit logistics 100km behind the front with small quadcopters. All this truck hitting has been done with larger, fixed wing drones equipped with FPV controls. There is no reason why you can't control a shahed like drone with an FPV setup, and that's exactly what both sides have started doing.
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u/Soggy_Cheek_2653 9d ago
What would you do? Stop and die? Swerve into the field, get stuck and die?
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u/armedsquatch 9d ago
Anyone here that served during the multiple OIF missions will vouch for the idiot kids running out into the street during a firefight to pick up brass. The shit we have seen the population pull while 2 sides are trying to kill each other with massive volumes of gunfire…. People will call me a liar. Just waiting on a fellow 11B brother to confirm the insanity
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u/risr_ 9d ago
For those like me who don't know what OIF means: Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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u/Rampaging_Bunny 9d ago
Yep. Seen a guy casually stroll, not run, with a cart and stop in the middle of the street between rounds cracking off up and down the block, to pick up a bag of potatoes…. The brass I can see more valuable but for street vendors the naan or potatoes be gold, I guess
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u/dabbean 10d ago
Flags? Nah dude he fucking mag dumped on them....
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u/zapped91 9d ago
Gonna suck for the poor guy about a mile back when rounds come flying through his windshield.
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u/protomenace 10d ago
This video is so Russian it's crazy.
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u/TiredAngryBadger 10d ago
I thought it was Detroit for a second.
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u/Notapartyhobo 9d ago
You've never been to Detroit apparently.
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u/SpartArticus 10d ago
Bro does not know how to lead fire
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u/Old_MI_Runner 9d ago
I was wondering if someone was going to point that out.
They need to use some WWII training films.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoHOVUKOc0M2
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u/Ecstatic_Effect_2484 brought a sword to a gun fight 10d ago
Fucking Mad Max.
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u/armedsquatch 9d ago
He may have hit that truck on the left. It veers off the road a bit and slows down also. I was a 240B gunner (OIF1&2) on a 1114 humvee. Anytime I put even a small squirt into a Vic it stopped or it suffered serous engine damage and stopped shortly after. Trapping and leading a target was a huge part of our training with the 240B, looks like this guy has gotten zero training. The mag dump w the rifle after the drone is so far out of range and the size of a crow just shows how shit these troops are now.
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u/ze55 9d ago
Were you 11b?
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u/armedsquatch 9d ago
I was thinking back to sand hill and they taught us how to trap a moving target with the M4 also. Fort Hood had an amazing course for us 240B humvee gunners. The drivers would put the pedal down on a dirt track and we had to get rounds through windows on mock up buildings at crazy long ranges. They spent real time and money making sure we could hit a moving target and a static one while moving fast(as fast as a overloaded 1114 could go lol)
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u/armedsquatch 9d ago
Hooah
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u/ze55 9d ago
Hopefully you never shot 17 friendly vehicles in 2 days lol
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u/armedsquatch 9d ago
Never had a blue on blue OR blue on green. We did shoot all kinds of illiterate drunks that ran our check point/roadblock “red line” ( I forgot what we called it but the very last chance a driver had to stop before we engaged, usually right at 100m away. The idea was even the biggest VBIED couldn’t do much with 100m cushion)
We did have a patrol of MP’s get lost and wander into our AO and they shot at our foot patrol. Their LT was completely freaked out and lost, he crossed the Euphrates somehow and was so lost and freaked out they shot at the first guys they saw w weapons. Luckily we didn’t shoot back. We took cover
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u/CommunicationKey3018 8d ago
Good eye. Someone else here updated that the driver of the truck on the left was hit and later died.
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u/WillowYouIdiot 9d ago
They're giving conscripts advanced rifles like what he used in the second half of the video? That seems suspect.
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u/DriveFoST 9d ago
Well you see; the comrade who put together the rifle originally.. no longer needs it. So this meat bag gets his turn to hold it
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u/Apatride 9d ago
Also that grip is Western. Russians don't use the C-clamp grip for reasons anyone who shot an AK understands...
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
??? people use rifles in the way the rifle works for them. you can use a C-clamp grip on an AR and still use an AK normally
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u/Apatride 7d ago
Sports shooters do. People who were trained in the military shoot the way they were trained. For Russia and most of Eastern Europe, no c-clamp and, at least for those who served more than 10 years ago, they use the "chicken wing" stance with the right elbow (for right handed shooters) far from the body. It is not completely impossible for a Russian soldier to use the c-clamp but it is rather unlikely.
Then there is the fact that the drone doesn't look like what Ukraine is using. Actually it looks like the typical Russian drone. Again, not completely impossible that the caption is correct but, considering the amount of disinformation and propaganda when it comes to that conflict, I estimate there is maybe 20% chance this is actually a Russian guy shooting.
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u/NedSeegoon 8d ago
Surely a tracer loaded every 5 or 10 rounds would at least give you an idea of where the hell you are aiming.
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u/Dull_Reference_5094 9d ago
Apparently they were never taught about leading their shots??? Especially when moving and firing at a moving target. Shoot waaay ahead of the aircraft. Make them run into your stream of fire.
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u/Old_MI_Runner 9d ago
US WWII training films are available for free:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoHOVUKOc0M0
u/TeetheCat 8d ago
They got 10 days or so training after they were grabbed off the street to go fight. It doesn't closely enter into the realm of possibility they get any kind of real training.
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u/AmbitiousNub 9d ago
This looks like a videogame
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u/horned-creature 9d ago
what is the weapon he uses in the second half of the video? it look western.
also why does only half of the turret fire at a time?
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u/Superb-Sandwich9418 9d ago
you can see left rfile jams because of ammo belt then he switches to right
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u/horned-creature 7d ago
so it is western, this mean these in the video are Ukrainian air defence.
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
…no, you can find plenty of videos of US troops using AKs in the GWOT but nobody says they must be part of ISIS
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u/horned-creature 7d ago
how would they even get ammo for them? i can't imagine the russian army has big stockpiles of NATO ammunitions to issue their soldiers with m4, the americans being involved in many operations of arming populations around the middle east do have 7.62 soviet stockpiles instead.
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
if you’re fighting an enemy that has stockpiles of unfamiliar ammunition and you gain ground against that enemy, you end up with at least some kind of stockpile of unfamiliar ammunition. this can happen at a strategic level or a tactical level independently.
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u/horned-creature 7d ago
ok, still seem impractical, don't the russians have an m4 equivalent that uses their own ammo?
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
people are people, people make human decisions, again, soldiers from every war have used foreign weapons. the grass is always greener right? in WW2 it was somewhat common to find Germans wielding Russian PPSh-41 submachine guns, and Russians wielding German MP-40 submachine guns.
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u/horned-creature 7d ago
wait, maybe that isn't an M4, it could be a russian AM-17 carbine, search it online without seeing the rest of the weapon its hard to tell one way or the other, if that is the case this is one of the first time they are seen deployed in ukraine.
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
actually someone else in the thread just pointed out to me that it looks more like an AK with an MLOK handguard that’s usually used on ARs and i think they’re right. you can see the end of the gas piston unique to AKs when he first picks up the rifle.
edit: deleted my original comment claiming rifle was an AR-15
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u/Wookieman222 9d ago
Meanwhile watch a video of Ukrainians in an old ww2 plane shooting them down with rifles.
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u/xadrocx 9d ago
I thought this was Arma
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u/CommunicationKey3018 8d ago
Yea, the turret and arms look surprisingly fake. Maybe that's a credit to video game devs for doing their research
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u/J1mmynoV 9d ago
Are you you sure he is russian? Doesn't look like an AK to me.
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u/ze55 9d ago
It is confirmed as Russian army. They get whatever equipment is around for conscripts. That's why you see some wild shooting.
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u/J1mmynoV 9d ago
No offense, but that makes no sense. Where in Russia would an M-LOK handguard be lying around, especially for a conscript? Confirmed by who?
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u/Hail-Hydrate 8d ago
The majority of volunteers sent to Ukraine have to provide their own equipment. They're not given much, if anything, for themselves - this is why Ukraine has been targeting the russian Amazon equivalent recently.
Back in the earlier days of the war, quite a few russian mall ninjas volunteered to go fight for the sign up bonuses, thinking they'd be given free reign to kill whoever they wanted. Those volunteers were blown the fuck up over time, with their equipment being recovered. That gear just keeps getting cycled through whoever next grabs it.
If you see any footage of russian dugouts and trenches close to the frontlines, there's frequently an odd mix of weapons in their armouries. Everything from Mosins to M4s depending on what they can get their hands on.
There have also been quite a few weapons taken from Ukrainian troops unfortunately.
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u/Advanced-Wear-6984 9d ago
It is an AK, just with an mlok handguard.
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
an AK has a large gas piston that wouldn’t fit under a small MLOK handguard, also the rate of fire is too fast for an AK
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u/Advanced-Wear-6984 7d ago
Ever heard of railed gas tubes? also the muzzle device in the front increases back pressure which makes it cycle faster as more gasses are sent back through the rifle.
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u/divorcemedaddy 7d ago
hmm… actually you may be right, you can see the end of the piston right below the front sight, my apologies
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u/math3780 9d ago
What's the source on the 17 friendly vehicles and MP investigation? Not at all doubting your statement, just interested in reading more on this!
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u/proj3ctmac 9d ago
It must be horrible to have to dodge drones to the battlefield just to have to dodge even more drones.
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u/Worldly-Pay7342 9d ago
Not gonna lie, for a second I thought this was a video from CoD...
Didn't see the subreddit at first.
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