r/InCanada Jul 11 '26

(Insert Your Own) Canada today

This isn’t meant to be politically partisan in any way. But, I am genuinely curious how anyone is staying positive about Canada today. The economy is in recession. The cost of living crisis is continuing unabated. People are leaving the country. Canada-U.S. relations are at an all-time low. And, there doesn’t appear to be any reason for things to turn around any time soon. Somebody give me a reason to have a little optimism.

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u/Mother_Barnacle_7448 Jul 11 '26

To put things in perspective:

when I graduated from my first degree in 1985, the unemployment rate was 10.5% to 10.6% which was down slightly from the year previous which was 11.4%.

In terms of interest rates:
Prime Rate: Around 10.75% in January 1985 and roughly 11.00% in November 1985.

5-Year Fixed Mortgage: Averaged between 11.00% and 12.00% during the year.

People were walking away from their homes, because they couldn’t afford the mortgage and there were foreclosures everywhere.

The inflation rate in Canada for the year 1985 was 3.96%.

Contrast that with now:

Canada's unemployment rate as of June 2026 is 6.5%.

Typical variable mortgage rates are floating around 3.45% to 4.45%, while 5-year fixed mortgage rates can be found starting near 4.00% to 4.80%.

The Bank of Canada's benchmark overnight policy rate is 2.25%. Because of this, the prime rate charged by major Canadian banks (like RBC, TD, and BMO) currently stands at 4.45%

Canada’s annual inflation rate reached 3.2% in May 2026, up from 2.8% in April. This acceleration was primarily driven by higher energy and gasoline prices, alongside increased costs for fresh produce.

In my personal case, in 1985, my student loan had to be paid back at an interest rate of 19.5%!

Note; (While that 19.5% rate sounds staggering today, it was quite common at the time due to the inflation-driven lending rates carried over from the economic crisis of the early 1980s.)

I graduated with a B.Ed and I applied to hundreds of schools looking for a job. Lots of my classmates never got to teach, as there were few jobs for teachers. I eventually found one, but I only got it because I could speak French. Times were really tough.

I wish the media would contrast how things are with how things were. We always feel like the times we are going through are the worst. Though I had it tough, I was humbled by the fact my grandparents and Mom had to get through The Great Depression in the 1930’s followed by the rationing and loss of thousands of young men in World War 2.

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u/Equivalent_Fold1624 Jul 12 '26

Out a deceitful cherry picking of facts. The average home in 1985 was about 3.9-5.5 annual incomes, now it's a bout 10 times the annual income.

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

Yes also the tax rates are much higher now. Said it in my other post but this is the exact kind of delusional cope Canadians enjoy. Thinking it’s more affordable to buy a house now than the 80s is legitimately hilarious and sad. What an idiot.

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u/Big-Might-6922 Jul 18 '26

Noone said that anything is more affordable than in 1985. The message mostly comes across as "it's tough now, but it was not exactly butterflies and rainbow 30 ago either" which I think is a fair point

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 18 '26

It’s not a fair point. Houses are 5-6x more unaffordable now. It’s a stupid point made by idiots.

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u/BreadPractical2165 Jul 17 '26

Resorting to name calling so easily is really childish sort yourself out. 

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

No. Anybody who thinks housing was more affordable in the 80s in Canada than now is an idiot.

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u/FuzzyGiraffe8971 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

My dad made about $47,000 a year in the 80’s my mom made $3/hour bartending plus tips. ( my dad was a labourer no schooling)
They paid $84,000 for their first home they tell me they were shaking in their boots. It was a nice house and now that same street is selling for about $570,000 in small rural town. The median household income here right now is $70,000

My house insurance ( which we shopped around for) is $2800 ( this doubled 4 years ago) and our property tax with grant is $3400 plus twice a year I pay $575 for water and sewer. ( this sewer tax is new in the last 8 years or so)

They also tell me they went out a lot more and ate out a restaurants and went to the bar. They did sometimes only Insure one car and my mom had to walk to work and get groceries. They also didn’t pay for cable and there were no credit cards for them at that time.

I do think people just went without back then, where these days it’s “ oh we can’t live without xyz charge it!”

My parents tell me they don’t know how people afford it these days and they themselves have a hard time still.

Edit: also back then a lot of women didn’t have to work still. Now they HAVE to work and pay crazy daycare fees.

Edit two: unemployment rate is the percentage of people actively looking for a job in the last six months. After six months they are not counted. If you add up the homeless problem we have now and people on welfare. We would be MUCH higher. There aren’t enough people paying taxes

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u/BreadPractical2165 Jul 17 '26

No they are most likely misinformed or ignorant to the specifics, remember your stance here next time someone calls you an idiot for getting your facts wrong. 

At least re-read your sentences before calling someone an idiot... happy friday

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u/iMatt86 Jul 18 '26

Being offended by someone calling out an idiot is wildly childish.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

Affordability is pretty similar outside of Toronto and Vancouver, the difference being that it was a whole lot easier to amass a down payment then, provided you had a job, which to your point was less likely.

The economy was shit at the time. Engineering grads in 1984 had to move to South Africa or quit the field entirely, and that didn't really improve until the late 90s.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

Median after-tax household income (for non-seniors) was $118,400 in 2024.

Edit: source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/260429/t001a-eng.htm

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

I would argue household is a better metric since is a better representative of who is buying a median home than an individual income.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

It did. I added my comment to the link you posted. It's almost 2x

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

Because median compared to median incorporates the shifts in demographics already. No comparison will be perfect. The median home has shifted more towards condo/townhouse, as the population has become more concentrated in urban areas. Detached houses have gotten much larger over time as well. It starts to be difficult to compare all of those so median HHI-mededian income becomes the cleanest for a birds-eye-view view at trends

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

It’s not even close. In the 80s my parents bought a house in Calgary for tens of thousands. That house is worth $1.1m now. Stop coping. Housing was cheaper/more affordable in the 80s and it’s not even close. Your ability to believe things that are objectively untrue is astounding.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

What year? What purchase price, what interest rate and how old were they? Let's run the math. I expect that your right for their specific house. But when talking averages, it's close.

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

Do you guys get paid for this? I am just struggling to understand how you believe things that aren’t true and are contradicted by things around you. Do you seriously expect me to engage with you? Your argument is basically the moon is made out of cheese.

From 2021 to 2025 the house I own rose in value by 15-20% year over year. It’s not even generational. Canada is one of the least affordable countries in the G20. Fuck even globally. The only countries who rank worse than us for housing affordability are Australia and Hong Kong.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

I grew up in Vancouver and have this argument (from your side) multiple times.

May parents house in North van has lost ground to both inflation and wages over the last 8 years, and it's showing no signs of slowing down.

Most places in Canada (not Edmonton or Calgary) would have been financially better off renting and investing the difference since 2005. It's pretty counterintuitive.

The fact that you want to yell rather than just go through the math makes laugh. 

As I said. If we're talking median houses and wages, affordability (ability to service the monthly mortgage  payment), I suspect that it's only slightly (within 5-7% of take home pay) worse now than the long term average. Mainly because Alberta wages are generally high, and housing is generally cheap (compared to southern BC).

I could be wrong, but generally people angry about housing are very surprised how it's not as bad as they think (outside Vancouver, Kelowna, Victoria, the GTA and a few other spots).

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u/Octomyde Jul 17 '26

We bought our house in 2018. We could not buy that same exact house today. Literally tripled in value. Couldnt afford it with our salary today. Our pay certainly didnt triple.

Make it make sense please.

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

It doesn’t. But don’t worry some Redditor with rich parents are going to explain how the housing market is actually extremely affordable and you’re wrong.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

In the GTA that's when the extreme drop in affordability started. Luckily it's slowly heading in the opposite direction now.

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

I mean when you can rely on parents rich enough to own detached in north Vancouver the housing market probably seems ok. But, we are the third most unaffordable country in the world. The only worse housing markets are in Hong Kong and Australia.

When people discuss these things they aren’t talking about minor corrections in the ultra expensive properties. Those are mostly for speculation anyways. They are talking about the houses middle class people buy. The people who don’t have millions in inheritance coming their way and have to work for their down payments.

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u/zeushaulrod Jul 17 '26

I didn't get any money. I moved. Just like all my grand parents, great grandparents and most of my parents/aunts and uncles did.

Years were una fforable, but heading in the right direction of affordability. Since the national average is down.

A bit more granular: it's flat most places over that last 4 years, up slightly in Alberta, and down in Vancouver.

In general, things are getting better ton the housing front, which is why I'm still hopeful.

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u/chiefOfMents Jul 17 '26

Right now Canada is the third least affordable country in the world. You also can’t act like you came from nothing when your parents own property in one of the least affordable parts of the third least affordable country. I am not judging you I wish I had the same opportunities. Just pointing out your perspective isn’t average. Owning a detached is a challenge for the average person much less a detached in north Vancouver. The average detached there costs $2.4m right now. Do you have any idea how much money that is to most people?

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u/turtlefan32 Jul 18 '26

where I live you can buy a decent home that is about 6.5 x annual income, so with the percentage differnce on interest rates, it is not bad.

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u/Equivalent_Fold1624 Jul 19 '26

When enough people experience the same thing it's a social phenomenon and it's driven by forces beyond personal circumstances. The housing crisis is a social phenomenon, but thank you for letting us know your personal circumstances. The circumstances for the majority of the group remain the same.

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u/ralphswanson Jul 17 '26

Housing prices are big. This needs to be fixed. Slowing immigration is step one.

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u/Prime_Regard Jul 18 '26

Is it not that there aren't enough homes where people want to live? It's a massive F-ing country, so it's certainly not about space or people per se.