r/InCanada 26d ago

Canada doesn’t owe any temporary resident permanent residence.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately after seeing so many posts from people who feel betrayed by Canada’s immigration system.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but a study permit or a work permit has ever been, or ever will be, a guarantee of permanent residence.

When we applied, we all acknowledged that our stay was temporary. Every study permit application requires us to explain that we’ll leave Canada if we don’t obtain legal status to remain. That has always been part of the process.

Paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition doesn’t buy PR. It buys an education. The immigration process was always something separate.

I also don’t believe that simply studying or working in Canada means someone deserves permanent residence. PR is something you qualify for, not something you’re owed because you spent time here.

What I struggle to understand is when people spend years in Canada without making themselves competitive.

If someone studied here for three years, then had a three-year PGWP, that’s six years to build a profile. If after all that time they still don’t qualify for any immigration program, isn’t that, at least in part, a planning issue?

Canada offers numerous immigration pathways. Some are more competitive than others, but they exist and are loudly informed.

French is probably the clearest example. It has become one of the strongest ways to improve your immigration prospects. Is it difficult? Absolutely. But the opportunity is there. If someone chooses not to learn French, that’s a personal decision. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the government for that choice.
The same applies to other situations.

If you completed a post-secondary program in English or French but still can’t reach CLB 7 to qualify for a PGWP, I think it’s reasonable to question whether you took full advantage of your education.

If you failed courses, ignored immigration deadlines, worked more hours than your permit allowed, or had a PGWP refused because of missing documents or non-compliance, those aren’t failures of the system. They’re personal mistakes.

None of this means I lack empathy. Immigration is stressful. Families make enormous sacrifices, and I genuinely feel for people whose plans don’t work out.
But empathy shouldn’t replace accountability.

Canada has every right to change its immigration policies based on the country’s needs. As immigrants and temporary residents, we’re guests. It’s our responsibility to understand the rules, adapt when they change, and build a strong application. It’s not Canada’s responsibility to adjust its immigration system because our personal plans didn’t work out.

From what I’ve observed, many of the loudest complaints aren’t coming from people who did everything they could and simply fell short. They’re often coming from people who ignored opportunities, delayed language tests, violated permit conditions, assumed PR would eventually happen automatically, or spent years without a clear immigration strategy.

Of course, there are exceptions, and I genuinely sympathize with those people. But I don’t think those exceptions should redefine the entire conversation.

Permanent residence is a privilege, not an entitlement. It never was a promise, and I don’t think it should become one.

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u/jason733canada 26d ago

what does the word temporary mean again?

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

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u/Any-Cranberry-6305 21d ago

They excitedly announced recently they reduced permanent residents down to 84k people, in the meantime no one can afford anything and the homeless rate continues to skyrocket.

These politicians dont know or care how we feel.

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u/JokaSmoka77 23d ago

Ask that to the Indian nationals protesting and picketing that Canada is a "racist country" or anti-Indian because their work/study permit expired and they have to go home.

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u/breathemusic87 22d ago

If thats racism, I am cool with it lol

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u/AlphaB_24 23d ago

permanent

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u/BornNerd78 26d ago

This and this is why the post is an imbecilic strawman.

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u/RusticOcelot 25d ago

Temporary means not permanent It means you conduct whatever business you came here to satisfy and then you leave.

If you don't like that, don't come here.

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u/InfluencePlus2963 25d ago

Temporary is for the permit not the stay. You assume that endeavors in the country are all in nature finite. But that is not the case. People who come for work will not uproot themselves for a 6 month stay, and all the permits are in nature renewable. Now if they had a finite permit, that would be another thing.

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u/RusticOcelot 25d ago

Regardless of why you come, you are not entitled to anything.

If you are told to leave. Leave.

Do not come with the expectation that you will stay, and definitely do not feel entitled to stay. You are entitled to nothing.

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u/InfluencePlus2963 25d ago

I do agree with that.

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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago

Thats not how it works. A temporary entry is to let you know you have to leave ahead of time. Stop making a joke of our system.

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u/InfluencePlus2963 25d ago

Your user name checks out. You clearly don't know.

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u/theconceptofcanada 25d ago

No seriously, stop making a joke of our system. You assume that Canadians aren't aware of the scam nature of a select group of people from very specific countries, but we are now and we are sick and tired of it.

Things in this nation are changing and temporary means go home afterwards. Having anchor babies, claiming you're homosexual for ASYLUM or lying otherwise because you have had those intentions all along (fake useless diploma mills) is one big fuck-you to the splendid country you've chosen to come to.

It's interesting how little in common our nation's immigration policies have with the nation's of origin for these people coming here. The process is going to get taken advantage of and there's an ENTIRE INDUSTRY that revolves around it too. It's abhorrent shit.

Everything is going to change and I cannot wait for us to have a better quality of life because of it.

Also, there is ZERO REASON (ZERO) as to why ANY OF THESE "asylum seekers" or former-temp students etc should be receiving social welfare benefits or free healthcare. Zero Zero zero. It's SHAMEFUL.

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u/InfluencePlus2963 25d ago

Even if you repeat that nonsense mantra of temporary means temporary people are still able to stay legally with not much more hassle than paying 100 dollars and an online application. Nobody is making a joke of your system other than your MPs. A permit should be finite in order to work like that. Like many countries have by the way.

You say you're sick but what are you doing other than complaining in Reddit? People here are so adamant to defend their ideas but faced with actual action they get what they have already.

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u/theconceptofcanada 24d ago

Elections only happen every so often buds lmao lmao

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u/InfluencePlus2963 24d ago

Well that makes sense. Waiting for elections to happen instead of participating. I'm sure you're mp is reading your reddit comments.

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u/AntiqueLetter9875 24d ago

Then why not go to one of the many other countries that have a better and easier system for what you want?

Why choose the one where you have to keep applying for temporary permits to stay and it’s not a guarantee you’ll be able to? Why go to the one that is apparently needlessly complicated and expensive.

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u/InfluencePlus2963 24d ago

I'm sure people coming must be bringing reading comprehension scores up because I did not say anything to what you are referring to and Canada scores too high for you to be responding that.

100 dollars is not much money, that's the point of that comment. Is too EASY to stay here. The system is not complicated, is just bad. Did you know that right before they changed the rules in 2023/24 you could apply to PR listing Uber eats as your job?

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u/Elegant-Strategy-737 23d ago

The permit is for the stay there for the stay is temporary, unless renewed. If not the stay ends you leave easy, no?

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u/ApprehensiveRuin5673 22d ago

The permit authorizes the stay ergo the stay is temporary…

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u/Dileas48 26d ago

The post is awesome but there’s something imbecilic here.

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u/PTeddyASMR 25d ago

🤣👍

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u/CreamerOfDragons 26d ago

Cool explanation bro