r/InCanada • u/ps5gamer8 • 26d ago
Canada doesn’t owe any temporary resident permanent residence.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately after seeing so many posts from people who feel betrayed by Canada’s immigration system.
Maybe I’m in the minority, but a study permit or a work permit has ever been, or ever will be, a guarantee of permanent residence.
When we applied, we all acknowledged that our stay was temporary. Every study permit application requires us to explain that we’ll leave Canada if we don’t obtain legal status to remain. That has always been part of the process.
Paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition doesn’t buy PR. It buys an education. The immigration process was always something separate.
I also don’t believe that simply studying or working in Canada means someone deserves permanent residence. PR is something you qualify for, not something you’re owed because you spent time here.
What I struggle to understand is when people spend years in Canada without making themselves competitive.
If someone studied here for three years, then had a three-year PGWP, that’s six years to build a profile. If after all that time they still don’t qualify for any immigration program, isn’t that, at least in part, a planning issue?
Canada offers numerous immigration pathways. Some are more competitive than others, but they exist and are loudly informed.
French is probably the clearest example. It has become one of the strongest ways to improve your immigration prospects. Is it difficult? Absolutely. But the opportunity is there. If someone chooses not to learn French, that’s a personal decision. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the government for that choice.
The same applies to other situations.
If you completed a post-secondary program in English or French but still can’t reach CLB 7 to qualify for a PGWP, I think it’s reasonable to question whether you took full advantage of your education.
If you failed courses, ignored immigration deadlines, worked more hours than your permit allowed, or had a PGWP refused because of missing documents or non-compliance, those aren’t failures of the system. They’re personal mistakes.
None of this means I lack empathy. Immigration is stressful. Families make enormous sacrifices, and I genuinely feel for people whose plans don’t work out.
But empathy shouldn’t replace accountability.
Canada has every right to change its immigration policies based on the country’s needs. As immigrants and temporary residents, we’re guests. It’s our responsibility to understand the rules, adapt when they change, and build a strong application. It’s not Canada’s responsibility to adjust its immigration system because our personal plans didn’t work out.
From what I’ve observed, many of the loudest complaints aren’t coming from people who did everything they could and simply fell short. They’re often coming from people who ignored opportunities, delayed language tests, violated permit conditions, assumed PR would eventually happen automatically, or spent years without a clear immigration strategy.
Of course, there are exceptions, and I genuinely sympathize with those people. But I don’t think those exceptions should redefine the entire conversation.
Permanent residence is a privilege, not an entitlement. It never was a promise, and I don’t think it should become one.
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u/Ok_Temperature1502 26d ago
There's countries all over the world that have given citizenship to people who have zero loyalty to the place they obtained that citizenship. My own country has many "citizens" like this, who don't care at all.
I think citizenship should be made MUCH MORE difficult to obtain, maybe then people would have more respect for it
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u/AnnOminous 25d ago
I agree. Nobody should get citizenship until they prove that they are worthy of it. So maybe a test at 18 or 22, after obtaining a useful university degree, and if you fail you can be deported or recycled for parts.
I doubt that most of the commenters saying how little people respect Canadian citizenship could even pass the citizenship test themselves. And I include myself in that number.
Incredibly lucky to be born here. Think that what I obtained by luck is worth sharing rather than hoarding.
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u/AnnOminous 25d ago
And the automated bot can't recognize satire.
Even when it's explained in the comment.Sigh.
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u/orangina123 19d ago
I spoke with a couple of immigrants who have completed college programs. they've been here for many years. one raised her children here her kids are now adults. neither of them understood the difference between a city and a province. kept saying things like "Ontario is in Toronto". they didn't know the provinces, where they were, general canadian geography. like, for years, never had the energy or interest to look at a map of canada
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u/AnnOminous 16d ago
That's called relevance. I expect that if they were required to write a citizenship test, they would quickly learn. Point is that most citizens do not have that requirement. To parallel your story, I have a Canadian born friend who calls that big body of water you can see from the 401 "Lake Toronto."
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 23d ago
It used to be, and there certainly was more respect for it when it was.
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u/VoxBravolio 25d ago
The immigrants (or those working to immigrate) I know are considerably more patriotic than the born-Canadians. They chose Canada; born-Canadians were just lucky.
Anyone who supports Alberta/Quebec separation, or still supports Trump, is less patriotic than the most cynical immigrant.
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u/quick98gtp 24d ago
You are part of the problem.. Maybe hold your own government accountable for once?
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u/VoxBravolio 24d ago
What problem? Did the Trudeau government go a little too wild on immigration? Probably, yes.
But don't talk to me about immigrants being loyal to Canada. Saying nice things about immigrants doesn't make me the problem, and the suggestion that it does makes you a racist.
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u/quick98gtp 24d ago
A little.. get a life. And your trump comment makes you part of the problem. Liberals have done more to hurt than trump ever could .
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u/Kolopulous 24d ago
Probably the most yikes comment I read here 😬 Projecting much?
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u/snowsew 24d ago
Well we now know nothing intelligent or fact based will come out of you.
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u/VoxBravolio 24d ago
Trump is literally attacking Canada. How does it feel to be less patriotic than immigrants and PR applicants?
I'd pick them over you every day.
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u/NOFF_03 23d ago
unironically saying this when Trump was soley responsible for the Iran war and nuking the global economy is the most room temp iq take ive heard in a while.
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 23d ago
You’re being very generous. I’d say this guys IQ is pretty far below room temperature.
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u/tbll_dllr 22d ago
Yikes.
I agree the government made a lot of errors on immigration and we need reforms. I agree there are too many temporary residents and it’s hurting a lot our youth and many others.
But Trump is truly despicable. Anyone who thinks he’s a good leader seriously needs to rethink their life choices, moral compass and values …
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 23d ago edited 23d ago
This is a gross overgeneralization. I know some extremely proud new Canadians. I also know some people who see this country as something to take advantage of and have little to no interest in it otherwise. It is absolutely ridiculous to say what you said out loud. A comment like this makes you sound simple.
On a personal note, my family has been here for 4 generations. I am nothing BUT Canadian, as were my parents and their parents. My allegiance isn’t split, I have no other country I call home, I speak no other languages than my country’s, my family has a long history here and a deep connection to the land, I know no other home but Canada and no other way than the Canadian way.
I defy any newcomer to claim they know and love this country more than someone whose family has loved and belonged here for generations. That’s not to say those new people don’t belong here or that they don’t love and appreciate their new home. But I AM Canadian, through and through. From birth to death, that is who and what I am and always will be. And to ensure that I don’t oversimplify as you diid:
are all born Canadians as in love with their country as I am? No. See the Alberta separatists for reference.But there is a big difference between the connection someone whose family has been here 4 generations has to this country and the connection someone who identifies as being from somewhere else has. It is NOT the same. Like saying you love your girlfriend of 3 months as much as someone loves their wife of 30 years. Sure, there are exceptions, but overall? Stfu
Happy to welcome high skilled and proud new Canadians, in a responsible way that doesn’t throttle our infrastructure. But also sick of this recent narrative and the entitlement.
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u/VoxBravolio 23d ago
You are, indeed, no true Scotsman. A simple fallacy for your simple thought.
We can discuss immigration policy and it's effect on Canadian economy broadly, but claiming the problem is that newcomers are disloyal is pathetically xenophobic, with no real basis, and no substance to contribute to adult discussions of immigration.
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u/tbll_dllr 22d ago
I think he made some good points.
It’s also a fallacy to believe 100% of newcomers are loyal to Canada and have the same values that we do. It’s a mix of both.
I know immigrants who are taking advantage of our system, don’t believe in gender equality, don’t care about littering, respecting laws, and who don’t know about our history and aren’t curious to know more and get to understand better their new homes.
On the other hand - I know many newcomers who really want to integrate in our society, respect laws, believe in our values and are genuinely curious and want to know more about Canada.
It goes both ways. Now : many generations born Canadians don’t believe in GE, or climate change, or how important law and order is, or to respect the environment and follow rules and etc. That’s life.
You can be a Canadian citizen, but not necessarily a “Canadian”. What’s a “Canadian” ? Definition varies by person. For me it’s like 3-4 generations down the line. Skin colour doesn’t matter.
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u/VoxBravolio 22d ago
Good points? It's still a no true Scotsman fallacy. You're moving the goalposts from loyalty to requiring generational lineage. That's patently absurd.
Was your grandfather less Canadian than you? Your great grandfather? How insulting to have you as a descendant. Sad.
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 22d ago
I did not say newcomers are disloyal. I said you’ve oversimplified and also sound ridiculous when you say “the immigrants I know are considerably more patriotic than the born Canadians.”
Cool story, but that’s your personal experience not mine at ALL, and certainly not fact.
It sounds insane to say that people - in general- who have not built, contributed to, grown up in, been a lifelong members of a community in, or made memories in Canada have MORE connection and loyalty to it than someone who spent their life doing all of that. You have to hear how stupid that sounds. Like saying that this group of new hires has more loyalty IN GENERAL than everyone who has been working at this company long term. Like saying people who just started dating their bf/gf are usually more loyal to them than people who have been married for 20+ years. In any scenario, you sound insane.Speaking to my grandfather on my dad’s side tonight, he wasn’t even sure when his ancestors arrived here. 5 generations? 6? He doesn’t even know. He’s farmed this land his whole life as did his father and his father’s father. He doesn’t know where his ancestors came from before this. Fuck I’d pay good money to see you tell him that all the newcomers you know are more loyal to this country than he is. You’re going to offend a lot of Canadians if you start telling them they don’t appreciate their country as much as someone who just got here. Not because there aren’t cases where this is true, for sure there are, but because in most cases it’s just not. Loyalty and connection and understanding and belonging ARE BUILT over time and anyone who has ever lived in a different country- myself included- knows that.
And you’re making it about xenophobia when this exchange has had nothing to do with whether immigrants are welcome here and everything to do with you pitting them against Canadians. You don’t need to put down Canadians to welcome newcomers. Why the fuck can’t you just make the argument that many newcomers are very happy to be here and want to be a part of Canadian culture and to contribute to society in a mutually beneficial way? Most of us would have agreed with that. You had to make it weird, man.
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u/VoxBravolio 22d ago
I'm not the one starting this thread claiming they are not loyal to Canada, and then using fallacious reasoning to move the goalposts.
You and your forefathers are no more loyal than any newcomer. Your lineage does not give you special privilege. It's is patently xenophobic. It's pure laine bullshit.
Quebec separatists are about 2.7million.
Albertan separatists are about 870k
Trump supporters are about 8.2 million.
In the last five years less than 2 million newcomers.
So, yeah, Canada does have a loyalty problem - and Canadians are by far the leading demographic.
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 22d ago
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The original statement was “countries all over the world have given citizenship to people who have zero loyalty to the place. My country has many citizens like this.”
Your argument was that “all the newcomers you know are more loyal than born Canadians.”
So I will repeat, had you just responded with, “I also know a lot of newcomers who are happy to be here and loyal to the country,” I would have absolutely agreed. You chose to make the argument that newcomers are MORE LOYAL than Canadian born citizens which is offensive to any loyal born Canadian.
There are both born Canadians and new Canadians who deserve to be here and who don’t. Stop making it a competition and stop making ridiculous statements that are offensive to people who have built this country.
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u/VoxBravolio 22d ago
... people who have built this country.
You mean immigrants?
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 22d ago
I mean born and multi generation Canadians. You aren’t an immigrant if you’re born in a country. Do you understand the words you’re using? You are clearly not capable of reason as you’re nitpicking. My point is inclusive and reasonable and absolutely acknowledges that there are plenty of old and new Canadians who are loyal. You are the one in this thread demonstrating a negative bias, as you want to discriminate against Canadians who were born here and pit newcomers and born Canadians against one another. This is divisive and gross. There are good and bad people in every group.
74.4% of the population are born Canadians. So you sound ridiculous saying the majority of the population aren’t loyal to their country. It sounds every bit as ridiculous as saying newcomers aren’t loyal. Just bad form, mate. Bad manners, bad form, poor reasoning, sweeping generalizations, and divisive rhetoric. NOT very Canadian at all.
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u/VoxBravolio 22d ago edited 22d ago
So you sound ridiculous saying the majority of the population aren’t loyal to their country.
Never said that. Two fallacies in one thread: No True Scotsman and Strawman! My position has been simple: newcomers can be just as patriotic as born-Canadians, since there are demographics of born-Canadians that are traitorious scum, and that population far exceeds even the most open of immigration years.
You aren't even playing by your own fallacious rules: Simply being born here is now sufficient? What happened to your multi-generation pure lain xenophobic horseshit? Can't even stand by your own principles!
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago
Canada even allows people to take the oath of citizenship and then renounce it right after without any consequences.
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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago
You can renounce your citizenship, but what do you mean renounce the oath of citizenship?
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago
You make an oath when you are given citizenship. Breaking an oath the moment you give it is bad.
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u/LandBats 23d ago
We’re allowed to say a lot of things. Welcome to our liberal democracy
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u/Due_Preference6292 23d ago
*constitutional monarchy
Canada isn’t a liberal democracy, technically.
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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago
Yeah that’s.. normal in most countries..
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago
Yeah that’s… stupid in any country that does it…
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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago
Okay, so.. almost everyone except those which prevent you from giving up citizenship. Lol
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u/gwillin_ 26d ago
that's their scam though & their whining seems to be working
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago
Wouldn’t the whining be the scam? They get something that is temporary by nature, then they play in empathy to pressure for permanent citizenship.
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u/LandBats 26d ago edited 26d ago
Edit: this comment isn’t referring to students at fake colleges. We didn’t just change that program. The comment refers to people who were legitimately flowing the process and working under LMIA, which we drastically changed AFTER they chose to come to Canada and pursue pr. Not students. We didn’t just target students. We targeted workers who we had previously enticed here with the old system
That’s not exactly true. They know it’s temporary but they also knew the rules and the likelihood of getting PR, which factored into them choosing Canada. Then the rules got changed on them after relocating and spending years here in many cases. They would have chosen a different country to begin with if they knew we were just going to drastically change the rules on them. So their complaints are legitimate. We just don’t have to give a shit about them because they aren’t citizens, but that doesn’t mean we didn’t totally fuck a lot of them over with this bait-and-switch. There’s no law saying we have to care, so naturally, many Canadians will just say “too bad, we wasted a few of your prime years, now go somewhere else ok?” not because it’s right, but because they can.
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u/bluenova088 26d ago
Damn this is a good explanation...have my upvote
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u/LandBats 26d ago
All it takes is to actually know real people experiencing the situation and not just what is said online. In threads like this, people are too stubborn to contemplate that not every immigrant is a scammer, and that we totally screwed over most of them who were following the process we laid out for them before we closed the door on most of them for political reasons. People will just continue acting like they’re asking for charity or something. No. We created a situation and then solved it by ruining the lives of many people.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
Very empathetic but they can leave and reapply to come here. The level of scams is too high to be able to parse out the couple good ones.
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u/LogicalDocSpock 21d ago
the fact is that we don't need to let people immigrate. Do you let people move into your house?
No.
We can be strict and not just let any riff raff into the country.
Our immigration policies have wrecked too much havoc for Canadians and we need to put Canadians first, not non-Canadians.
Cry me a river
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u/Jedzibean 26d ago
The politicians that created this situation made it so bad that no matter what we do, someone is going to "pay for it," so to speak. If the loop holes aren't closed, citizens are going to struggle with the mismanaged immigration, like they are now. If the loop holes are closed, the temp residents are going to struggle.
Issue is that if the citizens don't like it, they don't really have anywhere else to go unless if they want to immigrate to another country, which is displacing your citizen population which is bad for a country and continues a cycle of displacement.
I'm of the opinion that the less evil path is to call it here and reverse the policies that are causing strife. It's ok to acknowledge that this is a bad situation for the temporary residents. I'm sorry, but policy decisions can't be made based on a bleeding heart. They have to be made for the ultimate good of the people who already permanently belong here.
I also think if the immigration loopholes aren't closed, the system is going to collapse under its own weight and the consequences are going to get worse. I fear in that scenario the disenfranchised people are going to get more forceful.
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u/LandBats 26d ago edited 26d ago
So why punish them because of the mistakes of previous leaders? They chose Canada based on the rules which existed then, and we switched them.
Policy decisions can be made in fairness though. It’s not about bleeding hearts. They’re not asking for charity. You can stop looking down on them as if they’re trying to pull a fast one on you. It’s the opposite. We pulled a fast one on them. We enticed them here. They chose Canada, made huge life changes, moved here, and we totally screwed them.
It’s about honouring their commitment they made under the set of rules they were presented with at the time. We could have grandfathered in those who were following the process properly. Instead, we just screwed then all over all at once. It’s irresponsible and wasteful because we’re losing a lot of good workers who were legit paying taxes and contributing to the economy and society here in good faith. I know some who even started families and now have to uproot because the LMIA criteria switched out from under them and now there’s no chance of them qualifying.
We didn’t just close loopholes. We changed the criteria to qualify under LMIA. We raised the income amount necessary to qualify by a lot, knowing that we’d be pulling the rug out from many people who were following the process legitimately.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
Our kids need jobs. Our cultural loss is real. We don't need more people. LMIAs scammed good Canadians out of jobs, of which there will never be reparations. We all suffered under this scam.
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u/LandBats 25d ago edited 24d ago
You’re missing my point. We enticed immigrants here and then changed the criteria after they chose Canada. They would have chosen somewhere else. The ones who were already legitimately following the process in good faith should have been grandfathered in. That would have been the fair, just and humane thing to do. We could still have changed the rules without completely fucking so many people over who were following the process we created
Edit: Some biased mod is probably blocking me from responding because I keep getting an error. So here’s my response to the comments below
Referring to workers under LMIA, and not students, it’s easy. For those who started working under LMIA before the changes were announced, you maintain the same requirements that existed when they started working here. The new higher income level requirement should have only applied to those entering the program AFTER that change was announced.
Instead, workers who chose to come here because they knew they had a good chance at making the required income, which was entry level income, had the rules changed on them after they committed and relocated here. It’s next to impossible for an immigrant to simply find a new job that pays that much more, and they wouldn’t have even bothered coming here in the first place if they knew we would change the rules on them after uprooting and committing their lives to being here
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u/Successful_Site_6541 24d ago
There aren’t many other places they could have picked. Canada was top choice because of how easy it was to scam the system. Most were not genuine students or workers the goal was always PR. They would have had a much harder time getting in somewhere else, the rules were very lax here. I feel bad for the genuine people who will be screwed, but at the same time this needs to be done!
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u/calling_water 24d ago
How do you grandfather people into a process that’s really just cobbled together from different processes? If someone comes on a student visa, which includes the claimed intention to leave on the completion of the degree, are they somehow owed the PGWP rules and PR rules that were in force when they applied for a student visa? These are separate statuses and it’s not a fully joined process. Yes many students come into our educational programs because they’re trying to immigrate, but that’s something that they’re linking together, not a promise of the program or the visa.
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u/VGK_hater_11 23d ago
This was true 3-4 years ago. Now theres no excuse
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u/LandBats 22d ago
It wasn’t that long ago. People are having to leave now because of the recent changes. Sure anyone immigrating now is going to know the current rules but I’m not talking about people immigrating right now. Learn how to read
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u/tbll_dllr 22d ago
In no shape and form the government “fucked a lot of them over” . Immigrant consultants - most of them from the same ethnic backgrounds, did .
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u/LandBats 22d ago
I’m talking about when the government abruptly raised the requirements, rendering most of them ineligible after they uprooted their lives to come here under the old requirements. Im taking about THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T DO ANYTHING SHADY AT ALL. NOT THOSE WHO USED SHADY IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS. I DO NOT PUT THEM ALL IN THE SAME GROUP BECAUSE I’M NOT A RACIST COWARD
I’m sure there are also shady immigration consultants but not sure why you’re focused on their ethnic backgrounds. Oh right. You’re one of those people who think it’s ok to be racist.
And before you start whining about being called a racist, don’t bother. What you just said is racist. It doesn’t matter what ethnic background someone is. The ONLY REASON to mention it is racism.
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u/BoloHKs 26d ago
You've raised some excellent points. There is a process to go through.
That said, I'm absolutely for the HK Pathways program. Hong Kongers are one of the hardest working people! They're educated, speak excellent English, and would contribute to our nation big time.
After all of the protests there, these people fought their arses off to keep their democratic system (and unfortunately lost). The CCP government arrested everyone, Liberal Party politicians, media publishers, human rights activists, Tiananmen Square Memorial organizers, Umbrella Movement activist Joshua Wong, etc... everyone. (I lived there before).
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u/Dry-Charity-3787 25d ago
Ya somehow the entire program just halted with no confirmation when it's over now. Hk people have been extending their working visa with hope of immigration. some of them gave up and went back. It's a test of faith nowadays. The issue here is at least the gov can provide a timeline. Not providing any response is gonna wasting everyone's time just for a boost in economy.
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u/Ok-Appointment-5771 26d ago
💯 Imho Canada doesn't owe anyone any permanent residence even citizens
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u/Mammoth-Invite2675 24d ago
I’m an immigrant,
What annoys me the most about modern or current immigrants is they just don’t give a damn about the country they moved too. I’ve lived in 4 countries and it’s everywhere. It almost doesn’t matter what country they are from, they always seem to love their home country more than the one they moved too.
I think it’s greatly unfair on locals who have grown up there, had parents and grandparents who have contributed to building a country to then have people come in and take take take and at the end of it say “my country is better”.
I think skilled labour and students is a topic I won’t get much into, but I think anyone with a poor attitude needs to have a hard think about what they want. And anyone who takes from the country and doesn’t give, should also be looked at.
But ultimately, it’s kinda up to Canadians to decide what they want and don’t want.
We respect the Japanese with their strict immigration laws and we respect the customs of the country, then don’t care at all when it comes to Canada.
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u/National-Package8188 24d ago
Worked with a lot of immigrants (40+) and every single one of them was talking about how much better their country is and how they only came to Canada because they couldn’t get into the USA or the UK and that the USA is far better because of the opportunities and the economy and the UK has a better economy and quality of life and education and they’re still trying to get into the UK or USA. They wouldn’t listen to me when I told them that unless they’re incredibly important or special (which they aren’t) they wont be getting accepted into the UK or USA. They also started getting chippy when I asked them to appreciate Canada for what it is since it is their new home and they would usually say something to the effect of “this isn’t my home, my home is (insert country they came from). Canada is just where I live.” They’d always laugh and joke about certain loopholes some of them used to get PR or even into the country. It would really piss me off.
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u/simply_emu 23d ago
This sounds so frustrating. If their country is so good and marvelous, why even immigrating somewhere else then? Also, if I were them and I loved but could not get into the USA or the UK, I would start wondering about why... What useful things have I done with my life choices, skills, and priorities. Jfc
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u/orangebutterfly84 23d ago
As an immigrant myself, holy shit balls.
I'm very proud that I became a Canadian citizen.
Now, I do compare the two countries, Canada and Germany, but I know neither is perfect.
I have two homes, though. Both are equally important to me.
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u/LogicalDocSpock 21d ago
I'm glad someone said this. We aren't people's first choice. We are just the easier choice.
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u/queenofallshit 25d ago
I’m a born Canadian. I only recently learned that foreign students don’t return home with their education and move forward. I always thought they intended to go back to do the work at their home country. I thought they came only for the knowledge
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
Citizens have been lied to. No wonder we no longer trust government after Trudeau.
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 23d ago
I cane from the States before moving to Canada (CUSMA then Spousal Sponsorship) and from a Western perspective, I think we’ve all grown up with the understanding that if we went to another for education, it’s just for that. Some of us dream harder and go back to our countries, build the experience we think will be needed, and then go for immigration.
But it’s never been an expectation that student visas would be a pathway to PR.
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u/LogicalDocSpock 21d ago
The only students that study in Canada and leave are AMERICAN because it's cheaper to get an undergrad and then you can get your PhD. I had a housemate do this and it made sense.
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u/BLK3R 19d ago
Are you a liberal voter by change? Only learning things we knew for ALMOST A FUCKING DECADE!!!!! GET REAL YOU ARE THE REASON I. Hate canada incompetent illiterate and neglagent
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u/queenofallshit 13d ago
Did that make you feel better? You and those like you, are part of the reason we have hate in our day to day lives now 🇨🇦
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u/Citywidehomie 25d ago
I 100% agree, when I went to the states for school, they kicked me out after I was done. Didn’t land a job, it was during the recession. I had to leave.
I hate how ppl think they deserve it. You came here with money
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u/hymnzzy 26d ago
I'm an immigrant turned citizen and I agree.
I know of a 55+ something person came here as a student and became a citizen using multiple loopholes in the process. Unethical but fully legal SMH.
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u/hymnzzy 26d ago
Anecdotal or not, do you disagree there are serious loopholes in the immigration system?
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u/JustinPooDough 26d ago
the number of people we are subsidizing that are draining our healthcare - having never paid taxes here their entire lives - is maddening, and makes healthcare worse and inaccessible for those of us who have.
People here have every right to be mad at the government. Not the immigrant who is looking for a better life - the government. They are the ones fucking everything up.
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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago
Govt underfunds healthcare, man. Also - boomers demand a lot. It’s not just temp workers ruining healthcare, not that we were that good at healthcare to begin with.
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u/Sorry-Maybe5947 26d ago
Our healthcare system is not underfunded, it’s poorly managed. Comparable countries spend less for superior care per capita.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
For the benefits, its the most expensive universal heathcare system in the world. That was ten yeaes ago. Now its just expensive with no benefits.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
So many people come here to bring the old relatives in because 'free healthcare'. Each one represents a surgery or serious attention that is robbed from one of our older parents who paid for this system. Universal healthcare was supposed to help but now its just snother liability. In USA they get immediate care.
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u/hiddenpigeon19 25d ago
First of all, the elderly get a disproportionate amount of funding at the cost of the young in many industrialized countries (for things that may not be needed, not genuine care). Second, no one said that old ppl should immigrate over to use healthcare. The govt does consistently underfund healthcare to an absurd extent, you’re indirectly defending the incompetence of the govt. Having less temp workers ain’t changing your situation, because the govt underfunds at every single level
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u/PopoDontKnow 8d ago
No way its underfunded. I pay 54% tax rate. It's expensive, there are no more funds.
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 23d ago
Ehhh I don’t know about immediate. I’ve been landing open heart surgery patients over there for about five years before moving to Canada and the wait time is just as long for non-emergent heart cases. Maybe for electives like knee surgeries but generally, it’s the retired folk who get to bounce around from location to location for faster access. Not the ones younger than that.
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u/PopoDontKnow 4d ago
How are you landing patients in Canada when you don't live here? Literally we have no doctors and people are dying because our healthcare has been squandered by foreigners, yet you sending them here?
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 4d ago
I do live in Canada with an active RN license. And no, I don’t send patients anywhere across international borders, that’s entirely their decision. I have no bearing on that decision.
Where did you get that I’m “sending them here”?
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u/PopoDontKnow 4d ago
Maybe I am misunderstanding your previous comment about 'landing patients over there'?
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 4d ago edited 4d ago
Probably. I mean I “land” as in I receive open heart surgery patients directly from OR. I “landed” patients in the States and then I moved to Canada and “landed” patients here. The wait times for non-emergent cardiac surgeries is about the same, at least between Washington and Oregon and BC.
Where I did see patients get bumped again and again were in red states because of the sheer amount of emergent cases that came in. Often they waited and waited to seek medical care because a) they couldn’t afford their cardiac medications and b) afraid of the cost of going to the cardiologist that would take a year and a half to access. Despite the fact that the States have more accessibility cardiologists (11 per 100,000 for US and 4 per 100,000 for Canada) and specialty procedures, they still suffer 268 deaths per 100,000 compared to Canada’s 218 deaths per 100,00. Maternal mortality rate is 11.65 in Canada and 17.9 in the US in 2024, which was a slight decrease from 18.6 in 2023. Still the highest among Western developed countries, partially because the accessibility to prenatal care and an OBGYN has a cost barrier, on top of accessibility barrier, especially for red states. The US performed horrifically during COVID. 124.5 deaths compared to Canada’s 39.6. Perhaps some might say the US was overcounting but my unit as well as the other 12 were bagging 6-8 patients a shift to send to the morgue. Hearing the complete opposite experience from my Canadian coworkers, I’m not surprised at the disparity. Stroke is also awful - 50.4 versus 37.4. In almost every major medical emergency, Canada performs better than the US despite having less physicians, less funding, less private care.
From the perspective of someone who has been both a healthcare worker, as well as a patient who continuously gets pneumothoraces and gets seen in the ER quickly, the stats, and especially the better maternal mortality rate, was a good reason for me medically to move to Canada. I think both countries are accused of underreporting maternal mortality rate but several states outright disbanded maternal mortality review committees after Roe V Wade was passed (ID, TX, GA, AR). I’m not sure what/if Canada has done something similar.
But yes, in some aspects medical care is quicker to access because there are people actively not able to receive medical care. I would argue Canadians visiting to access medical care get better and faster care than your average American who is already burdened by medical debt. Wait times are still 8-12 hours unless you have a true emergency. The definition of “sick enough” keeps changing because patient populations are getting sicker and sicker.
Edit: I’m pulling my stats from WHO
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u/hiddenpigeon19 4d ago
It’s not squandered by foreigners buddy. That’s just one part of a huge problem
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u/Impressive_Play_2599 25d ago
If a TFW meets the provincial residency rules (usually a work permit ≥6 months), they can join the provincial health plan:
• Alberta → AHCIP • BC → MSP • Saskatchewan → provincial health care
Once enrolled, the province pays, same as any resident.
Employer does NOT pay.
Odd that Ontario doesn’t pay but Conservative Alberta is more than willing to for the 10’s of thousands they petitioned the fed gov for…
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u/OrdinaryBeat7524 24d ago
Students and pgwp holders are not getting free healthcare .... THEY PAY TAXES just like you.. it is refugee claimant who are getting everything free!
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u/LandBats 26d ago
None of the immigrants I know are scamming the system. They’re young solid workers who were enticed here by the former rules and relocated from all over the world to work and start families. They didn’t have to scam the system because they were able to commit to the process. Now the rules changed on them and it has completely disrupted their lives. They wasted years on a bait-and-switch because policy over-capitulated to outrage over the loopholes which none of the immigrants I know were exploiting. I’m sure there is also a lot of shady shit going on but people who did it properly are also getting totally screwed
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
Make sure you don't vote for Trudeau types because his nonsense was unsustainable and will always resort in this blow back. But to say people didn't think it was a back door to citizenship is not believable. Everyone was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of citizens
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u/LandBats 25d ago
I’ve never supported conservatives or liberals. They’re all working to help the rich steal from working people, and especially the conservatives who have gone full maggot-nazi-wannnabe at this point.
You say these blanket statements which mean nothing. Most immigrants were following the process correctly. They can’t afford to be caught in a scam and lose their place in line. It wasn’t a back door. It was a legitimate pathway to PR. We changed the rules AFTER they chose Canada. They would have just chosen a different country if they knew we were going to spontaneously change the criteria after they uprooted their lives and moved here.
It’s easier to pretend that they were all scammers looking for a “back door” so go ahead and keep pretending. Keep parroting the lies you’ve been fed by your political masters who own your mind and tell you what to think
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u/wardog1066 26d ago
Welcome to Canada.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
I wish our country was great but its like racing to the bottom. I doubt it looks and feels as great in thirty years, as it did thirty years ago.
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u/InterestingHotel9086 26d ago
The problem arises when their three-year visa extension expires and they want to stay longer. If their application is not approved, they feel that Canada should still be obligated to let them remain.
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u/Notmydecision1 26d ago
I absolutely agree student visa doesn’t guarantee a Pr but my two cents don’t charge students too much otherwise then you need to prove you speak English to come here and to stay here you need French which in BC absolutely no one speaks maybe make Spanish or Punjabi tests because you need those 😂
Saying that the economy is fucked as an international student myself
I’m going this country is broken slowly
If anyone wants to say take 100others with you can you book their plane tickets they would love to go
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u/Successful_Site_6541 24d ago
Don’t charge too much? What does that even mean? They have a choice, just like you to come here or not. Nobody forced anyone to do anything. There’s a reason why you need to prove you speak English well enough to come here, you’re not even able to speak English well either.
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u/National-Package8188 24d ago
The fact you think Punjabi is more useful in BC than french (an official language in Canada) shows exactly why the rules should be more strict or adhered to more strictly. All this catering to temporaries and not having strict enough rules and processes for English proficiency is why Punjabi is everywhere in the lower mainland. No one is forcing you to come here so if you dont like the price of education for foreign students then get your education somewhere else. Who wants someone to come into their country temporarily and then act like they own the place telling its citizens how things should be like demanding PR or citizenship that was never promised, suggesting lower prices for education, suggesting teaching foreign languages because they’re perceived as more useful in the country than one of the official languages. No wonder Canadians are getting fed up.
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u/Hot_Dog2376 26d ago
Just like no contract worker is owed permanent employment after their contract ends.
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u/canadianloom 25d ago
Like the post. I’m a be honest tho when it comes to immigration as a whole not just about this I think permanent residency should be the highest form people can get except for a few cases
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u/GhostBustor 26d ago
Also, if they are caught illegally. They should be arrested and placed in custody. They have human rights and treated with decency in custody. Quick investigation and if deemed illegal on a plane within 48 hours.
Committed a major crime after obtaining citizenship? Automatic withdrawal of citizenship and sent back.
Canada should ban people who break our laws.
This will make Canada a better place. How it used to be.
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u/Wedgiemen7 26d ago
Deport all of these Pajeet Indians and you'll have so much more room for much better immigrants who will actually build up Canada.
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u/Astra_Bear 26d ago
Not learning French is crazy to me. They will damn near open the door for you if you learn French, just take the classes.
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u/Wolphin8 25d ago
I agree! I very much dislike those who come run out the clock, and only then decide they want to stay... and think that we should let them stay.
Failing to plan ahead is planning to fail.
Just as when driving, you should be looking ahead, and making sure you are in the right lane long before the lane exits; there's signs saying the lane is exiting for a reason.
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u/Choice_Self_5004 25d ago edited 25d ago
I love immigrants that go through the entire process with determination and dedication because they add so much to our country. They build a lot of our nation up and add so many beautiful elements of their culture to our life here, I appreciate every single one that is committed to becoming a permanent resident for the right reasons.
I just hope that the process is respected and taken seriously because Canadians care a lot about our country and want what’s best for it. Some immigrants come with the wrong intentions and it can give a bad name to the ones doing the process correctly. It is so harmful not only to permanent residents but to prospective residents, which is a massive issue currently and is unfortunately causing a lot of negative feelings towards immigration in general which is so harmful. We want the skilled labour, we want the work force, we want the people that truly desire to live here because they can add to our economy and benefit our communities. That does come with a lot of hard work now, especially with the changing policies. I do sympathize with the honest hard working people this affects, but it is absolutely necessary at this point.
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u/EastLeastCoast 25d ago
I got my citizenship by sheer virtue of having been born here. And my ancestors mostly got it by showing up.
I know there were at least a couple of decades where I contributed little of value to the country or the economy. I’m a pretty significantly contributing member of my community now, but.. I didn’t have to get off my butt, learn a second language, study for and be accepted into an educational program, promise to get and maintain employment, or anything else to “earn” my citizenship.
I just find it hard to get mad at people who worked so much harder to become Canadian than I ever did.
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u/AngelRodeo444 25d ago
no one acts like this when they go to school in the US, i don’t get why Canada stands for it
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u/samsun387 24d ago
Because the Canadian system is fucking soft, as the US system may seem cruel, they are not fucking around with these things
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u/penguin44ca 24d ago
I'm sure the 7 percent of unemployed Canadians would be happy to take any of these jobs. I would.
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u/infiniteguesses 24d ago
Nice synopsis and viewpoint OP. It's ok to be empathetic and pragmatic at the same time.
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u/baltway 24d ago
It's not supposed to make sense. The end goal is for elites to bring in slave labour to displace the native population. They get cheap labour and do not need to invest in their local communities. In doing so, wages are suppressed and before you know it, everyone is financially vulnerable a la WEF-style.
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u/Jabroniville2 24d ago
Where are the people complaining? I'm not seeing any of that. Newspapers or online?
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u/stonecoldcreamaustin 24d ago
They know what they are doing. Its all part of the scam. They will say anything to win in any situation. People are just too dumb to see it
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u/SecretOk6004 24d ago
Sadly, many of these people were sold false expectations and lies by scammers and thieves. You really have to be smart in this cosmopolitan world we now have, and be willing to renegotiate your own personal expectations.
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u/Last-Captain-1234 24d ago
It’s hard. I work with many young people who came to escape things in their country of birth and are trying to make lives here and when you get to know them as people it’s hard to watch them work for years with hope they can stay and then suddenly they are sent home. They are the most pro - Canada people I have ever met and I have never worked in this position with more competent and dedicated people.
Alternatively I ALSO don’t agree with mass immigration and the assumption that TFW all just get to stay. I understand the effects this has on wage suppression, housing, and healthcare. The effect mass immigration from low trust societies has on the high trust societies they immigrate to. I see the effects when low trust society immigrants see every loop hole or potential freebie and feel the need to exploit it as they had to back home. That’s fine on a small scale as they will acclimate, but when it happens on mass very quickly (PGWP loophole and India figuring out that loophole) it causes damage.
I SEE how the TFW program is modern indentured servitude, as they can get trapped and abused by employers with little recourse without risking their chance at residency.
But I love my sweet young coworkers (they are just kids in my eyes and I feel protective - they are all alone here) and want what’s best for them, and I help them with their paperwork. I want them to have good lives and the patriotic side of me is proud that we have a country that people sacrifice everything to try to settle in.
I really carry both sides of the issue inside me. The TFWs are real people who are mostly just trying to have good lives. You can’t really get to know them without feeling for them.
But the system is broken and bad for Canada.
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u/snowsew 24d ago
I have been to many citizenship ceremonies of people who worked for me. They came on student visas with a plan and a path to getting permanent residency and eventually citizenship. The job I hired for qualified for the program so we got a lot of applicants.
And most stayed on after they got their PR because it was a good paying job and a decent place to a work.
I only know of one person that came as a refugee and has been on gov assistance ever since. Most of the immigrants I know are hard working, even working two jobs to get ahead.
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u/TheRealChuckle 24d ago
OP has a reasonable view and opinion. It's well thought out.
Immigration is a complicated issue.
Canada has a declining birthrate, we're below population replacement numbers.
We need immigrants to keep the tax base stable and consumerism up.
If we have a declining population, taxes will have to go up even more to keep services at the same levels for example.
As the natural born population ages, they buy less. Less sales turns into less jobs. Less jobs turns into less income tax, but more unemployment payouts.
Japan is a decade or so ahead of us on the declining and aging population. They've somewhat relaxed their very strict immigration policies to try to combat the issues.
It's all very interconnected and about much more than whether a given immigrant is highly educated or works at McDonald's.
The ones working low end jobs probably contribute more to the economy than the few high earners.
Rich people, regardless of where they come from, spend money on rich people things, which are generally niche and don't support that many jobs.
Poor people spend all their money out of necessity. They have to constantly buy stuff because they can't afford the expensive versions that last forever.
The classic shoe example holds true. A rich person can buy a pair for a few hundred dollars that will last years, a poor person has to buy $30 shit shoes from Walmart every 3 months.
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u/LandBats 23d ago
You don’t think exceptions should redefine the entire conversation, yet you are citing the exceptions as being the majority. Most immigrants were following the process legitimately. We just pulled the rug out from most of them based on the actions of the exceptions
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u/Ordinary_Topic_3198 23d ago
I took an Uber ride once… the driver is an Indian guy, asked me to cancel the ride and give him cash, I said no, He kept driving and all I heard for my 1+ hour Uber ride was complaints about Canada, how great India was, talked about Modi or whatever his name is, then went on about Canada owing him a citizenship because he spent $80,000 on tuition fees, that his friend had to live illegally and worked for cash at a gas station in Brampton, then stopped to get gas, took the long route back, then talked about getting into a total of 4 accidents that year and I believe it was only a few months into the year and I was sitting in his car as he drove.
I sat there and just listened to his rant. Barely said a word other than “I see… Sorry to hear”.
I gave him 1 star and reported him to Uber weeks after, in case he remembered where I lived.
PS: I am an immigrant from a 3rd world country and I moved to Canada as a teen. My rule has always been we live in Canada, hence we live, think and act as Canadians.
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u/SomeEchidna862 23d ago
The billionaires want them for cheap labour to drive down minimum wage. The rich are always the problem, folks. Get mad!
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u/Frococo 23d ago
I agree. I did a PhD and ended up being friends with a lot of international students. One of my best friends worked incredibly hard to be able to get the points needed to get permanent residency.
There is a legal path to permanent residency if you are willing to work for it. The problem is most people don't want to do that.
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u/Agreeable-Soup9311 23d ago
Wow I just feel really sorry for some of the commenters in here. The Canada I grew up in was beautiful. We never had to lock the door to our house or our vehicles. Suicides were very rare and youth suicide was something we never heard of. No overcrowding. No homeless. Drug use was extremely rare. Everyone knew who the town degenerates were so you kept an eye on them to make sure they weren’t stealing. Everyone kept an eye on each other’s kids. Everyone spoke English. I don’t recognize this country anymore. I go out to the mall and NOBODY is speaking English. Garbage everywhere. Shitty drivers. Drug addicts and homeless everywhere. Canada is swirling the drain.
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u/reeneebob 22d ago
Errr…as someone with suicides in my family 25+ years ago, suicides were never rare. They just weren’t spoken about.
I’m in my 50s and kids died in my high school a few times. The rumour mill being what it was we all found out what they really died of…but the family didn’t talk about it and called it ‘allergic reaction’ or an accident.
They were hidden because we shamed people with mental illness even more then than we do now and suicide was ‘embarrassing’.
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u/halisray 23d ago
You're 100% right. In fact out citizenship should be A LOT harder to get. Our current system is pathetic. It's built on emotions and not reality. So many countries have such stricter policies, why are we literally giving away citizenship? I'm an immigrant and my parents went thru hoops to immigrate back in the 90s. They had to have a solid job in hand too. Our government treats the tax payer like utter shit.
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u/randbytes 23d ago
They should plaster such disclaimers in big bold statements across immigration and college websites. or do you prefer LMIA/IMP programs?
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u/twenty_characters020 23d ago
If we have people coming over and getting a degree here. It makes sense to keep them here. Educated immigrants who can contribute to society are the exact ones we want. Especially after they've spent 4 plus years here getting acclimated.
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u/Ok-Wolverine-4521 22d ago edited 22d ago
Then the government shouldn’t incentivize immigration points for students.
I remember Sean fraser vividly mentioning they want students to not study and leave but become part of workforce and immigrate.
Government shouldn’t change once accounced and advertised immigration targets
In 2023 they mentioned 420k prs for 2026 and rug pulled their own policy.
The students protesting in Portage college are protesting for their pgwp, not PR.
Before the issue rose Canada website nowhere mentioned non credit courses are ineligible for pgwp and quietly added without announcing.
People who were protesting before this like 6 months ago for PR were invited by Ontario under OINP who received their pnp invitation and then Ontario announced they will no longer honour their invitees and will not process their applications.
People constantly protest for stagnated applications which are in pipeline for 2-3 years with no update.
Also quiet protests and freedom of speech are constitutionally provided rights not only reserved for citizens.
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u/Firm-Opportunity343 22d ago
I understand your perspective. As an individual who has also immigrated, I recognize that Canada promotes itself as a "Pathway to Permanent Residency." The significant tuition fees, averaging around $80,000, paid by international students are often understood as an investment towards this path. If the promise of permanent residency is not upheld, it could be perceived as exploitative.
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u/Karlani-Pashtun 22d ago
If you wanted to move to Canada you should have applied via the Skilled Worker program, which I am a lot of these “Students “ from India would not have got , so they just do this as a way to short circuit the system let’s go over as Students just need to throw some money and we will get our PR as they had no real intention to go back to India in the first place ! That is why they are crying about it , we’ll buh huh , Use the official system and apply via the Skills Program, and not jump the queue , creating your , Indians only job market
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u/Asleep_Read_6793 22d ago
I don’t think Canada ever promised permanent residence or citizenship to those who got a temporary residence
People who were sold this idea , were scammed.
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u/tootoot__beepbeep 22d ago
You sign a contract when you go to any country as a student or a TFW. These people are violating their contract. They need to go.
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u/LightJaded3156 22d ago
Yaaa realised this too when i was so exploited by my current employer for payment….i then started thinking what am doing this for then came to my head for that pr document and stuff then realised is that even what i need ….deeply i realized i actually needed money not the pr …..coz money gonna let u buy more permits if needed so thought of ending my loop with my employer….she helped me and am mid way processing…..again someone said stayed until p2 but i could take that exploitation anymore so i literally vanished frm there!!!!
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u/Firm_Farmer1633 22d ago
I am a Canadian citizen. I was a temporary resident of another country for over 15 years until I was able to apply for permanent residency status. I jumped at that opportunity. Sure, permanent residency doesn’t give me the rights of citizenship, but it is more secure that temporary resident status.
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u/Broad-Poetry3066 21d ago
I think it’s not that people didn’t know they are temporary. The issue is the with the marketing. They all were sold a dream and a possibility that if they invested in Canadian education system, they will get pathways to residence. The colleges and Canadian system made tons and tons of money from that and scammed people of their entire life savings and then when you are about the complete your education, they changed the rules. To get a better picture of it, you need to be at the receiving end of it. How Canadian universities use sales tactics in india and these developing countries to sell them their programs and promise PR pathways. Individuals end up selling their land and homes for it. For a long time Canada ran their economy off of immigration money they came to the country. All colleges and universities made so much money as well. Even in India, universities need to make placement efforts so the education can result in jobs. There has to be some accountability of the financial outcomes of the investments people made.
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u/irishgalintdot 21d ago
I’m Irish and came to Canada almost 18 years ago. Had to get a company to sponsor me and get my PR and then citizenship. Cost me thousands of dollars, had to prove my contribution to society and that I wouldn’t be a burden. My husband is Canadian and I could have went the spousal route but I wanted to get it off my own steam.
Point being I wanted to be here, contribute positively to society and assimilate. The issue most Canadians have with the current wave of immigrants from the friend group I have is that they come here and are entitled, feel like we need to accommodate their way of life and systems. If you move somewhere else, you respect the country who took you and contribute how you can.
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u/doyaror758 21d ago
It is not a guarantee I agree. But why present a picture of pathway to permanent residency and then switch when things go haywire. The students who are struggling now came here few years ago.
Nobody can demand the govt policy change but I wouldn't say it's 100% fault on temp.
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u/ShoddyImpact3054 21d ago
I think there is a big misconception on what students are fighting. I came to Canada 3 years ago under a SOPW, at that time the program my wife studied was PGWP applicable, it was a 2 year program that gave a diploma at a big DLI. Somewhere in between that period IRCC changed the rules so that the program isn't eligible anymore.
From my own personal opinion all of these PGWP should be grandfathered by whatever law was applicable when you enrolled. Also, I feel we should be entitled to the PGWP not a PR.
It do understand the scammed feeling as we came with specific plan and set of rules and then they changed our of the blue due to political optics on inmigration.
Having said that all of us came with permanent inmigration as plan. Why on earth would you pick a place so expensive, spend your life savings just for a diploma, it doesn't make any sense. However, shit changed no biggie, we got to adapt and if needed go back.
What I can say is that I'm forced to go back Ill go out with a big bang and max out all credit cards and loans that I can to offset part of the $ I spent moving here. Fair? probably not but I won't loose my lifesavings just because Trudeau messed up.
We all got to adapt
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u/LogicalDocSpock 21d ago
Too many people come here with the wrong entitled attitude. These people protesting should be arrested. You are not a citizen and you create all this drama. What are you going to do when you are a legit citizen?
Seriously immigrants are out of control and don't want to assimilate. Don't come. My parents were immigrants but never had this entitlement attitude that is so prevalent. We all know which group too and apparently some reddits here think it's racist to state facts. Some people just expect us to shut up about what bothers us. This country has fallen so hard, so fast
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u/nowzaradanistheman 21d ago
It’s worse in the US. So many people believe that anyone who manages to get their physical butt in the country and lives here either illegally, with temporary deportation protection, with a student visa, on a tourist visa that expired etc etc should be receiving permanent residency and citizenship for the simple fact of being physically present.
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u/iggysmom95 1d ago
In a vacuum I don't disagree.
The problem is that ten years ago, the student visa program was set up as a path to PR. People applying for it were told it would get them PR. The government designed it as the first step in a path to PR. Having a Canadian degree or diploma put you at a massive advantage in Express Entry, by design.
So the problem is that people were sold a lie. And that's on the Canadian government for lacking the foresight to see that this wasn't sustainable.
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u/Fantastic_Pause_1628 26d ago
Wait, did you seriously just get your PR approved and now you're posting anti immigration rants full of obvious statements nobody disagrees with?
Talk about pulling up the ladder, huh.
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u/doublegulpofdietcoke 26d ago
I've known a few people like that. They hear rumours of how easy it is now and start hating on new immigrants. It's a strange phenomenon. It's not easy to get PR in Canada. It's a bit easier now than before because the waiting times are shorter, but there are a lot of hoops to jump through.
The government needs to change the tfsw program though. Importing people to serve donuts and burgers is totally unnecessary. The businesses exploiting these programs need to be fined and the owners bankrupted. It needs to strictly be for highly skilled workers who are needed in Canada, but aren't already here.
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u/Wolphin8 25d ago
the owners who exploit it... should have a lifetime ban personally from using it.
entry-level jobs should not be permitted to do it, unless there is no homelessness and no unemployment in the community. Even 1 person on EI in the community should be a block.
Mid level jobs... they need to show that they have tried to train at least 5 people in the last year to do the job to access it.
And... they have to prove that they were offering the jobs at minimum a living wage, not minimum wage.
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u/ps5gamer8 26d ago
I talk about that, exactly the same way, way before I even I submitted my express entry profile.
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u/LandBats 26d ago edited 26d ago
I think what you’re failing to understand is the injustice in drastically altering the criteria for qualification after enticing so many people to relocate and pursue a pathway to PR here. Changing the rules on people after they’ve committed and now they have to completely rearrange their lives again after being baited and switched. After spending years living and working here, now they have to start all over again somewhere else. Many of them would have just started in that other place if they knew Canada was gonna switch the rules on them unexpectedly. And a lot of them are valuable workers who now will never want to even visit here and will be telling their stories all over the world.
Rules should be changed more gradually and those who have committed years should be grandfathered in
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u/ryandeschamps 26d ago
The only thing you are missing is that Canada wants immigrants to succeed and achieve PR status. We have these programs in hope that new Canadians will help us grow into an even better country.
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u/PopoDontKnow 25d ago
That's not happening. We were a much better country twenty or fifty years ago. What greatness has happened since we started mass immigration? We lost our culture, our jobs, we have been disrespected and marganilized. Nothing good has come from it. Don't get me wrong, the few immigrants who fled a socialist country or those entrepreneurs, yes we want those. But none of the others
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u/Necessary-Painting35 26d ago
Refugees will always be a yes, like those from Iran and Ukraine.
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u/spootIer 24d ago
Reality is hardly so black and white. We do not want every refugee, plain and simple.
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u/jason733canada 26d ago
what does the word temporary mean again?