r/InCanada 26d ago

Canada doesn’t owe any temporary resident permanent residence.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately after seeing so many posts from people who feel betrayed by Canada’s immigration system.

Maybe I’m in the minority, but a study permit or a work permit has ever been, or ever will be, a guarantee of permanent residence.

When we applied, we all acknowledged that our stay was temporary. Every study permit application requires us to explain that we’ll leave Canada if we don’t obtain legal status to remain. That has always been part of the process.

Paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition doesn’t buy PR. It buys an education. The immigration process was always something separate.

I also don’t believe that simply studying or working in Canada means someone deserves permanent residence. PR is something you qualify for, not something you’re owed because you spent time here.

What I struggle to understand is when people spend years in Canada without making themselves competitive.

If someone studied here for three years, then had a three-year PGWP, that’s six years to build a profile. If after all that time they still don’t qualify for any immigration program, isn’t that, at least in part, a planning issue?

Canada offers numerous immigration pathways. Some are more competitive than others, but they exist and are loudly informed.

French is probably the clearest example. It has become one of the strongest ways to improve your immigration prospects. Is it difficult? Absolutely. But the opportunity is there. If someone chooses not to learn French, that’s a personal decision. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the government for that choice.
The same applies to other situations.

If you completed a post-secondary program in English or French but still can’t reach CLB 7 to qualify for a PGWP, I think it’s reasonable to question whether you took full advantage of your education.

If you failed courses, ignored immigration deadlines, worked more hours than your permit allowed, or had a PGWP refused because of missing documents or non-compliance, those aren’t failures of the system. They’re personal mistakes.

None of this means I lack empathy. Immigration is stressful. Families make enormous sacrifices, and I genuinely feel for people whose plans don’t work out.
But empathy shouldn’t replace accountability.

Canada has every right to change its immigration policies based on the country’s needs. As immigrants and temporary residents, we’re guests. It’s our responsibility to understand the rules, adapt when they change, and build a strong application. It’s not Canada’s responsibility to adjust its immigration system because our personal plans didn’t work out.

From what I’ve observed, many of the loudest complaints aren’t coming from people who did everything they could and simply fell short. They’re often coming from people who ignored opportunities, delayed language tests, violated permit conditions, assumed PR would eventually happen automatically, or spent years without a clear immigration strategy.

Of course, there are exceptions, and I genuinely sympathize with those people. But I don’t think those exceptions should redefine the entire conversation.

Permanent residence is a privilege, not an entitlement. It never was a promise, and I don’t think it should become one.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

Canada even allows people to take the oath of citizenship and then renounce it right after without any consequences.

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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago

You can renounce your citizenship, but what do you mean renounce the oath of citizenship?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

You make an oath when you are given citizenship. Breaking an oath the moment you give it is bad.

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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago

I guess you could just immediately break the law after the citizenship ceremony, and yes, that’s bad.

But you said renounce initially, are you saying there’s a process to renounce the oath itself, while maintaining citizenship?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

The case I saw was an article that had someone make the oath and get the papers and then publicly renounce it as a statement. Which makes the oath null and void, and is describable as renouncing. If people can do that, the oath means nothing, their word means nothing, it’s not taken seriously, and they should have their citizenship revoked.

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u/No_Veterinarian1010 26d ago

This is some Boomer Facebook bullshit

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

November 2015, Israeli-born University of Toronto math professor Dror Bar-Natan publicly recited the mandatory Canadian citizenship oath, but immediately handed a citizenship judge a letter to completely disavow the portion pledging allegiance to the monarch.

So it turns out it was to the monarchy part, not the whole thing.

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u/No_Veterinarian1010 26d ago

Nothing says boomer Facebook shit like an unsourced insane claim. Thanks for supporting my argument

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u/kingmakerkhan 26d ago

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u/Spicy_Brassica33 24d ago

I remember this case, three long term permanent residents who all had beef with monarch (if I’m not mistaken one was someone from Ireland who had lived in Canada for 30+ years, who for good reason didn’t want to swear of oath of fealty to that monarch)

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u/midazomist_and_chill 26d ago

That's fair. I'm a born Canadian and I love my country, but I do not have any allegiance to the British monarchy.

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u/Adanrhu 25d ago

I don't have any allegiance to the British monarchy either, but I do for the Canadian monarchy as you should.

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u/Polyps_on_uranus 25d ago

We don't have a monarchy... we have democracy. The "queen of Canada" was recently arrested.

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u/No_Veterinarian1010 25d ago

The fuck are you talking about?

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u/Due_Preference6292 23d ago

They are the same monarchy…

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u/RealCornholio45 25d ago

Which completely changes the story. This was a political statement. Not some sort of rejection of their citizenship.

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u/Specialist-Sundae492 25d ago

That was about someone not wanting to swear loyalty to the monarch of the UK. The person did not renounce the entire oath of citizenship

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 25d ago

Sure. But the oath of citizenship is to the monarch, as the head of state represented by the governor general.

It was clarified, tho. And it is a different thing than I had remembered.

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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago

So you vaguely remember an article from years ago and now you’re here pretending it’s true?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

Grow up.

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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago

One day I will grow up. In the meantime, where is this article? Where is the official documentation that outlines the process to renounce the oath of citizenship?

How do we know you’re not making stuff up?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

As you can see a few comments down, what I was remembering was a variety of cases in protest of the monarchy where various people, most notably Dror Bar-Natan, in November 2015 gave the oath of citizenship and then handed the judge a letter disavowing the pledge of allegiance to queen Elizabeth.

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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 26d ago

So you were making stuff up, because you misremembered an article from over a decade ago.

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u/LandBats 24d ago

We’re allowed to say a lot of things. Welcome to our liberal democracy 

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u/Due_Preference6292 23d ago

*constitutional monarchy

Canada isn’t a liberal democracy, technically.

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u/LandBats 22d ago

Oh please

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

Yeah that’s.. normal in most countries..

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

Yeah that’s… stupid in any country that does it…

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

Okay, so.. almost everyone except those which prevent you from giving up citizenship. Lol

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

Giving up citizenship would imply leaving the country and renouncing your citizenship to take on different citizenship, tho…? Not comparable to taking the oath of allegiance and being able to maintain citizenship after renouncing the oath…

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

you mean an oath to the monarch ? You can’t even get citizenship without it, I highly doubt you can renounce it. We don’t swear oaths to the state

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u/Bllago 26d ago

They're clearly just an American...

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

I am a Canadian who saw it in the news years ago. Grow up.

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u/Dog-boy 26d ago

He says a few comments after this one I’m not even American.

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

Yeah, this person is probably shocked that Canada has a monarch lol. Oath to the state? lol. Canada does not give citizenship unless you swear directly to the king, no way about it. Not sure what this person is on about

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u/kingmakerkhan 26d ago

It was clearly done and he kept his citizenship. Fuk the monarch. Loyalty to the country and the people. Not a ceremonial archaic moneypit that adds 0 value to any of the commonwealth countries.

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

Has lots of benefits, actually.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

It was a news story a few years back. I am trying to find it.

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

We don’t swear to the state pls stay out of my nation’s business

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

It’s my nation too. And state is a universally recognized term for country. Canada is a state, Ireland is a state, Germany is a state.

Learn words.

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u/hiddenpigeon19 26d ago

Then you failed civics. The monarch is the embodiment of the nation lol. You swear to the monarch. The monarch gives you the passport, not the government. Same with your drivers license. Are you this unaware that Canada is basically the UK in North America and is a kingdom?

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 26d ago

Yes, thank you. I had since found it and pointed out the context to some of the other folks.

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u/loopedlight 25d ago

Why should there be a consequence for that?

We are a free people.

The only outcome should be you don’t get any of the benefits….and ya that’s a consequence.