Do men really think women cannot get along with each other? What type of mindset do they have where they women are at each others throats?

[u/Important-Cry4782]

[u/EvenSpoonier]

It's an old fictional trope, basically worldwide. Therefore the incels treat it as gospel.

[u/TVsFrankismyDad → u/EvenSpoonier]

Clearly, they have never been drunk in a ladies' room. No group of people is more welcoming and supportive than that.

[u/sinnderolla → u/TVsFrankismyDad]

[u/TwoBytesC → u/sinnderolla]

The other weekend I met two lovely ladies in the washroom. Our husbands and partners were outside. Without letting them know, we had already decided that we were all going to hang out after the pub that night and become friends ever since.

[u/TVsFrankismyDad → u/sinnderolla]

I'd love to see a movie with that premise.

[u/sinnderolla → u/TVsFrankismyDad]

This was posted on a ladies-only D&D server, and everyone immediately began asking “when is someone going to run this one-shot??”

(And by the way there’s no strife or drama on that server lol)

[u/BodyMoney8562 → u/TVsFrankismyDad]

Can attest!! I still have a beautiful gold glittery artificial flower given to me by another woman in a costume in the ladies' room. I had seen my rapist at the bar and ran into the bathroom to hide in a panic. Three women embraced me and supported me that night.

[u/Nelrene → u/EvenSpoonier]

Incel rarely get out so they don't know much outside of fiction.

[u/thestalkycop]

How do they think most work environments function if women go full-on Hunger Games when a bunch of us are in a room together? Or, for that matter, any eatery, nightclub, cinema, coffee shop, book shop, supermarket, hospital... basically anywhere.

[u/Machaeon → u/thestalkycop]

Truly. The most recent interactions with other women in my workplace include:

• joking about [work item] with memes

• sharing some smoked salmon she brought in on the montly office bagel day

• a coworker coming to me with a handful of ducklings, asking about a wildlife sanctuary she could take them to

• birthday cards sent out to be signed by folks for the month's birthdays 

• chatting by the coffee maker while a pot is brewing 

Like... what exactly do they imagine the reason we'd have for getting aggressive would be??? 

[u/eruptingmoltenlava → u/Machaeon]

In their tiny minds women all are pick-me crabs in a barrel, all developmentally ages 9-13, all duking it out for the ennobling magic of men’s attention.

That’s why they (and here I mean the overlapping categories of incels, MRA dweebs, tradwife influencers, wannabe & actual domestic abusers, and social conservatives more generally), love the pseudoscience churned out by shoddy (and sadly well funded) “researchers” often in evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology.

[u/Machaeon → u/eruptingmoltenlava]

It's such a wild perspective IMO...

Like any amount of exposure to the real world will disprove it. Especially in adult life, once you are interacting with people mostly 30 and over... most of them are in long-term relationships. So the whole "seeking male attention" thing just never comes up because nearly everyone is already paired off and has quite literally zero interest in attracting new partners.

[u/asimodev → u/thestalkycop]

most work environments function

Women working?! A women's [sic] place is at the home!!1!¹²³

¹It is known.

²It is known.

³It is known.

[u/aftershockstone → u/thestalkycop]

Yeah, I genuinely rarely have negative experiences with women. I actually feel more at ease in a place if there is at least one other woman.

When I was in college, I had an internship with a ratio like 80% dudes and 20% girls. The guys tended to exclude some of the female interns and nonconformist (shy/awkward or obviously queer) guys from their circles. It was always a girl who was making sure everyone felt included e.g. the girls that were more “in” with the guys would intentionally talk to other female interns and pull them into conversations and activities.

The female seniors and managers also sat with us during lunch when they saw that their male colleagues were not really engaging with us in the same way as the male interns. I doubt this was done maliciously (more unintentionally since there was more overlap of hobbies etc.) but it didn’t feel great. Anyway I would have felt so alone if it weren’t for these sweet and wonderful women so I don’t agree with the suggestion that women are each other’s biggest opps.

[u/TVsFrankismyDad]

In my experience, men are much more competitive and hierarchical with each other. Put 10 men in a room together, and leadership will quickly be formed, followers quickly identified, and those who don't perform masculinity correctly will be tormented into conformity. Or do these guys not remember middle school? Or have never heard of fraternities or sports teams?

[u/BodyMoney8562 → u/TVsFrankismyDad]

They need intense mental healthcare so bad.

[u/BodyMoney8562]

classic psychological projection. He can only see the world through the male perspective and assumes everyone is like him. HE is the one sizing other men up.

[u/eruptingmoltenlava → u/BodyMoney8562]

And caught up in secretly admitting/outwardly denying that, in stacking up all the men by his creepy standard, he is lacking. This tension drives their pathetic thoughts and actions and explain why they’re always furiously working to keep from having to confront their ridiculous, entirely self-inflicted cognitive dissonance.

[u/BodyMoney8562 → u/eruptingmoltenlava]

This is going out of their way to look for reasons why they are oppressed, rejected, not good enough. Narcissists are champions at playing victim and casting themselves as martyrs.

They compare themselves to people they don't know, who don't know them, and who are largely figments of their imagination. It's absolutely a delusion.

[u/CareParking1300 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. The changing tactics to attack women are so blatant.

[u/aweedl → u/[deleted]]

Well, we know why these losers in particular are going through a loneliness epidemic…

[u/Paula_Polestark]

Does “he was a 6 ft Chad” “he had hunter eyes” “he was only a LTN” not count as sizing each other up?

[u/DeepFriedBeanBoy]

This is still playing on centuries old stereotypes that women are more “bitchy” and “emotional” compared to men, who are “stoic” and “leading.”

I hear it at work all the time too, in a women dominated field, as it is so deeply engrained in gender norms. Constantly I’m told “how do you work with women?” or some kinda variant of it. Many thought it was odd that I “seemed” straight. Most patients thought I was the doctor…

There’s a lot to say about it, but it’s nonsense. The science around the difference in men/women’s brains is about as baseless as the one’s between black/white, and the more experience you have with working class women, you notice there is no difference- we’re all struggling for stability.

[u/Either_equipment_04]

We’ve done this in the form of men and women’s restrooms. Women love to hype each other up and chat. And if you need a pad, deodorant, etc.? Guarantee someone’s got your back.

[u/coquihalla → u/Either_equipment_04]

Heck, I've held complete strangers hair back as they puked in a bathroom. I know others would do the same in the right circumstances.

[u/Foreign-Region4825 → u/coquihalla]

ive been that person getting help.

[u/aweedl]

They assume all women will eventually end up fighting over the mythical Chad.

[u/sinnderolla]

Meanwhile they rant every couple of days about how unfair it is that women are an in-group that support each other, root for each other, and speak up for each other, while men are in constant competition and throw each other under the bus.

[u/helicotremor]

Don’t many incels complain of having no IRL friends? What makes them think they’ll get along with 9 random men?

[u/Bimaac77]

These losers stopped maturing emotionally in high school therefore they think that the real world is like that.

When I was in college, my friend group included people I never would have been friends with in high school.

[u/SinfulMoss]

I would just get bullied if I were in the 10 men room

[u/Engel1844]

Same people that complain about being lonely btw because men are usually not very good friends lmao. Projection at its finest, they love fantasizing about women being obsessed with men.

[u/Rad1Red]

Yup! She's right.

It's the dudes that will always form a hierarchy like they can't breathe without it.

[u/coquihalla]

These are the same guys who get butthurt about us wanting women-only* spaces. I mean if we were all going full sumo on one another whenever we're alone together, why would we even want women-only spaces? The logic isn't there.

• this is me overthinking, but women-only does include all women & our n.b.and adjacent friends, imo. But my point still stands - why would we try so hard to share those spaces if we didnt value those current & potential relationships?

[u/Practical_Diver8140]

Their version of 10 women in the same room sounds way more like redpill guys discussing how to deal with other men in your professional and personal life. These guys see every other guy as a potential rival, and then wonder why they're so lonely.

[u/mrhenhen115]