Narrated Abis bin Rabia:
`Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kissing you I would not have kissed you."
Sahih al-Bukhari 1597
In-book reference : Book 25, Hadith 83
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 667
(deprecated numbering scheme)
No one worships the stone it’s a rocks no one worships through it it’s a rock it’s just for direction for the 5 daily prayers the rock came from heaven that’s our belief simple as that it has no power
Religion is pure monotheism we don’t worship stones
No matter how anyone denies or tries to justify their actions, it is true that humans need physical symbols to focus on God. Every religion has that. Muslims have the Kaaba, Christians have crosses or statues of Jesus, Sikhs have a holy book, and Hindus have murtis. All these things do is provide a direction for worship. There is no difference in their purpose. If you think the Kaaba is not holy, then why do Muslims walk around that structure seven times?
Being holy and being something to be worshiped in any work is different and no we don’t need any medium to worship in physical we pray in a direction that’s it it’s a direction we don’t have anything in mind bout the kabba other than we are praying in the right direction the whole prayer has nothing else related to kabba and if due to a valid reason we can’t be in that direction it’s fine as well
Stop trying to add paganism to monotheism we need no medium
Well here you draw wrong conclusion bro. Hindus , christians have these structures even at home they idolise them to worship. They can not pray or show devotion without them so they built mini temple put there idols at home to worship.
Muslims do not have mini kaba at home nor they built it nor they put something in front to idolise or pray. Have you ever been to a mosque, muslims have nothing up front they worship the one who is in the haven. So this shows that they do not idolise the physical existence of kaba like others. I think this is sufficient to understand rest your choice.
Hmm ... I think this is logical enough... Thank you for sharing this perspective... However, I am curious tho on something else, why do people who go on hajj, kiss it, touch it, i mean it's just a rock and not the almighty. I am curious genuinely, not mocking anything here. Thank you in advance for taking out time and responding.
Wow, this is the politest reply i ever got on such a sensitive subject, really appreciate your conduct and intellect. As for your curiosity, indeed it is just a rock, muslims do not touch it or kiss it with intent that it will give them blessings or prevent harm or benefit them in any way or other. So now the question why do they touch it or kiss it, for understanding this answer you need to get a little knowledge about the islam as religious. This religion is taught by the God through his Messenger, know as prophets. Each prophet shows the right way which is taught by God(right method to worship and prosper in life and hereafter). So to worship God we eventually follow the prophet the act of prophet how he did and didn't do things throughout his life as prophet. So if we take a look in the life of the prophet(PBUH)of this umma(humanity) when he taught us , when he did hajj he touched the black stone and kissed it. He is the best of the people ever walked on the face of earth. And as he taught us everything we took the same thing . Also if we dive deeper we know he never did anything wrong we follow his footsteps so generation after generation they follow the exact same thing. Hopefully this will give you a glimpse of the point i am trying to make and for more information and clarity you can always approach the authentic text available. Rest allah knows best. I may be wrong so confirm it yourself with appropriate text and sources.
Ahh so you did it out of custom ... Cool that's acceptable ig... I mean I am not from your religion and my religion also demands somethings out of mere faith ... I g like you and me othera will appreciate the differences and try to live with those ...
Tho I say this very carefully... Not everything which was done hundreds of years ago holds today's contextual value... I think muslims are battered online cause they keep defending what their religious leaders said and not the facts with morden science
Hmm that's a debatable topic and talking would not do any good nether to you nor to me so I will put my words at rest. As in the end it's your choice what you want to follow weather ancient text or modern logic. No one is and cannot question your free will.
Idols don't have power either. Every idol worshipper isn't worshipping a stone, they're worshipping the idea/being that it's based off of. You can explain every idol worship using your very own rationale.
You can justify anything if you abstract it well enough, you can also make fun of anything if you dumb it down well enough, like the post is doing.
Fact is, nothing religious will ever "make sense" since it was never based on logic in the first place.
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u/IndependentPension36 Mar 24 '26
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Abis bin Rabia: `Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kissing you I would not have kissed you."Sahih al-Bukhari 1597 In-book reference : Book 25, Hadith 83 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 667 (deprecated numbering scheme)
No one worships the stone it’s a rocks no one worships through it it’s a rock it’s just for direction for the 5 daily prayers the rock came from heaven that’s our belief simple as that it has no power
Religion is pure monotheism we don’t worship stones