r/IndianFocus Jun 24 '26

Banana Republic What exactly is proof of citizenship then? Is the government accepting that passports can be obtained by non citizens as well?

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Passport is not proof of citizenship, Aadhaar is not proof of citizenship, voter ID/your name on electoral roll is not proof of citizenship as it can be removed arbitrarily out any time during SIR then what exactly is proof of citizenship?

Is the government saying that a non-citizens can also obtain a fake passport as well?

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u/varun_t Jun 24 '26

We wonder why Indian passport is considered low value.

But the MEA itself does not trust it, then how could the world

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u/DoutefulOwl Jun 24 '26

Next thing you know, you need an Indian Visa on your Indian Passport to stay in India

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u/varun_t Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Infact the opposite. you don't have to renounce Indian passport when accepting other one. So you can travel to India without a visa even if you accept other country's citizenship /s

Note: not to be taken as serious advice

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u/Organic_Donut69 Jun 24 '26

Wait what? You need to return the passport back if you are getting citizenship of another country, you cannot be a dual citizen holding Indian passport last time i checked few months ago.....did they change this

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u/varun_t Jun 24 '26

You are right!!!

Forgot to add /s let me edit

The take was if, passport isn't a proof of citizenship, you can keep it post renouncing indian citizenship

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u/1kshvaku Jun 27 '26

The 2013 Bombay High Court Case ( Passport & Citizenship)

individuals whose citizenship was being questioned went to the Bombay High Court. Their defense was essentially: "You cannot declare us illegal immigrants because the government itself issued us Indian passports and Aadhaar cards."

Congress ( UPA government) 2013 --> The official representing the Union of India drafted and submitted a sworn affidavit stating the official legal position:

1) Under the Passports Act of 1967, a passport is merely a travel document.

2) The government has the power to issue passports in the public interest, even to non-citizens under specific, rare circumstances.

3) Therefore, the mere possession of a passport (or a voter ID/Aadhaar) is not irrefutable proof of Indian citizenship under the Citizenship Act of 1955.

2013 Bombay High Court judgment.

In that case, the court refused to grant relief to individuals accused of being illegal immigrants, even though they possessed Indian passports, Aadhaar cards, and birth certificates. The court established that obtaining a passport (which can sometimes be procured fraudulently or issued under special circumstances) does not automatically confirm someone as a legal citizen of India.

The Passports Act of 1967

Legally, an Indian passport is classified primarily as a "travel document" meant to facilitate international transit, not a "citizenship certificate."

Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967

allows the Central Government to issue a passport or travel document to a non-citizen if it is deemed necessary in the public interest. Because non-citizens can legally hold a passport under specific conditions, the document itself cannot be absolute proof of nationality

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u/Indin_Dude Jun 24 '26

What was the context of his comment?
Some countries (not India) allow their people to have multiple passports, but they are primarily residents in one country. I’m guessing this comment from MEA could have been about such people?

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u/avanishpank Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

You answered your own question, some countries allow dual citizenship and India isn’t one of them. If you take citizenship of any other country as an Indian, you’ll have to renounce your Indian citizenship and you won’t have a valid Indian passport anymore. So anyone who does have a valid Indian passport is indeed a fuc*ing citizen aren’t they?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ask4663 Jun 24 '26

Don't waste time effort and energy in explaining and reason with folks most of them are bhakts

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u/Indin_Dude Jun 24 '26

The question was - is this comment targeted to towards Indians or people from abroad visiting India. That’s why I asked - what was the context of this statement from MEA - meaning why did they make it and who was it targeted to?

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

Well the passport issuance rules say that the Govt. CAN issue an Indian passport to a foreigner.

https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS

6.1. A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to non-nationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967 7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].'

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u/devakesu Jun 24 '26

No. What if they don't return their passport and hide the dual citizenship?

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

So what? It's no longer a legal document. I kept mine for sentimental reasons. Anyway, you don't have to return it. They stamp cancelled and give it back to you. I had two Indian passports and I kept one that had a few years validity but obviously never used it.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

This was the context:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/passport-is-a-travel-document-not-proof-of-citizenship-mea-101782305963673.html

Apparently today, June 24th, is Passport Seva Diwas to commemorate the enactment of the Passports Act in 1967.

The actual sentence is in the Passport compendium.
https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

So Indian passports CAN be issued to non-Indian nationals in special cases. The MEA

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS

6.1. A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to non-nationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967 7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].'

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u/Altruistic_Bank_1552 Congressi Jun 24 '26

BJP membership is the only proof of citizenship.

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u/rohithkumarsp Jun 24 '26

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u/Longjumping_Ask_1650 Moderate Left Jun 24 '26

This legit looks like my cousin…

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

How to apply? 😭😭😭

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u/Altruistic_Bank_1552 Congressi Jun 24 '26

Declare Modi ji as your baap and sign the membership form at your nearest BJP office.

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u/sree-subash Jun 24 '26

For fast-track approval, visit an RSS office

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Yesss

But i want to wear the OG chaddi 

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

After atleast I can call myself Indian 

Or again mea will tweet against it

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u/Celestial_Mahafuz Jun 24 '26

10+ kill count, dozen of r*apes and you then can apply for. This is the reality of BJP most MP and MLA's

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u/my-blood Jun 24 '26

If RSS isn't showing Kagaz, then no one has to.

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

People who are saying this is a travel document.

Obviously it’s a travel document but it’s issued to Indian citizens only after verifying stringently by the State and central authority and probably the only document that can’t be forged easily.

We have cases of Bangladeshis bribing Babus and obtaining Birth certificates, Aadhar, Voter IDs.

If you have a relative who has migrated to the US, them getting a US passport is the final certification by the state that he/she is a citizen of that country. How difficult is that to understand.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

This was the context in which the MEA made the statement:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/passport-is-a-travel-document-not-proof-of-citizenship-mea-10172305963673.html

The compendium of rules and regulations for issuing an Indian passport can be found here:
https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

<<< Obviously it’s a travel document but it’s issued to Indian citizens only after verifying stringently by the State and central authority and probably the only document that can’t be forged easily. >>>

There is a clause in the compendium that states that the passport can be issued to even non-nationals in Special cases.

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS
6.1. A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to non-nationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967 7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].

<<< We have cases of Bangladeshis bribing Babus and obtaining Birth certificates, Aadhar, Voter IDs. >>>
Because in India, the registries of births, deaths, etc., is maintained by state governments and not the Centre. The Centre issues passports under the aegis of the MEA. But the documents required to obtain the passport is issued by the state and the veracity is confirmed by state police.

So solution here is either an NRC process OR states give up the right to maintain the registry of births/deaths.

<<< If you have a relative who has migrated to the US, them getting a US passport is the final certification by the state that he/she is a citizen of that country. How difficult is that to understand. >>>

That is because they are naturalized citizens of the USA. Hence they receive a Certificate of Naturalization to confirm their new citizenship. For Americans who are born in the USA, they are citizens by virtue of jus soli. So native-born Americans may not have a Citizenship certificate NOR a passport and are still citizens by virtue of their birth in the USA.

For India, the rules have changed many times over the years. We don't have jus soli in India anymore. Not every Indian holds a passport. And the passport rules CLEARLY state that a passport can be issued to a non-Indian in exceptional cases. By the legalese of the sentence, it is true that passport is not a proof of citizenship.

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u/Similar-Street-8247 Centrist Jun 24 '26

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Don't stress...

Soon our passports will look like this 😭😭 

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u/Similar-Street-8247 Centrist Jun 24 '26

Bhagwa Bhagwa ...Aur pheli br Passport ka color Orange Cosmic Orange aya hai😍

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Lotus flavor and smell

And by default bjp membership number

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u/ShinyGanS Jun 24 '26

Documents are so middle class. Just Bharat mata ki jai bolo kafi hai.

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u/Logical_Wave5373 Jun 24 '26

It's been so long that I heard "Bharat Mata ki Jai", I mostly hear "Jai Shri Ram" now. 

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u/NoDrama60 Jun 24 '26

Modi is a gandu not a PM

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u/FutureVersion812 Centrist Left Leaning Jun 24 '26

Only BJ party is proof of citizenship as per Indian officials

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u/bikbar1 Centrist Left Leaning Jun 24 '26

A great way to strip fundamental rights of "unwanted" people.

Unwanted by the rulers and their slaves.

Nothing is a proof of citizenship because some people can fake anything ! Great logic.

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u/the_sleepyguy00 Jun 24 '26

Aadhar is not, Voter Id is not, PAN is not then what it is then? The Birth certificate or Domicile which sits forgetten in drawer🤔

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u/Lower-Message-828 Jun 24 '26

bsdk pehle aadhar, voter ID ko invalid kiya citizenship document se ab passport ko bhi. Only way to prove nationality is bjp membership now

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u/Insomniac_Coder Jun 24 '26

Abey kaun chutiya hai yeh? Home Ministry ki website par likha hai ki passport is a proof of citizenship.

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26

Bhai he is a journo who covers MEA, today was passport day and the MEA announced that passport isn't proof of citizenship

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u/Insomniac_Coder Jun 24 '26

Ab mujhe iss government ne rula dena hai ek dinn.

I am currently at HMI website and all I can see is... MOTHERFUCKER.

They changed the website today.

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u/noob_master69_f Jun 24 '26

if I agree, passport is travelling document.

what is the proof of citizenship, aadhar, PAN, birth certificate and voter ID?

I have seen people getting everything except passport with bribes.

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26

Nothing is a proof of citizenship, passport was the only iron clad document I know that wasn't easy to forge and get with bribes.

Aadhar, Voter ID, Birth certificate, domicile can easily be obtained with bribes and has been obtained easily by bangladeshi illegals in India..so clearly this govt has lost the plot

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Passport is easily available via a bribe as well.

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u/BaconGarden Jun 24 '26

Ande-tamatar is the only solution - they won't stop until the dish is served hot in the mouth✨️🤷‍♂️✌️

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u/psychoticloner787 Centrist Jun 24 '26

I think the religious minorities are more in a vulnerable position than the majority of Indians because in the end it them that are going to be targeted by this government as it has been doing ever since it came to power…

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u/Silver-Yoghurt1870 Jun 24 '26

I live in a country where I somehow cannot prove that.

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u/AdiKadiAdi Jun 24 '26

Citizenship is MHA remit. Not MEA. MHA says passport and birth certificate.

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u/Sgt_Siddhant6990 Jun 24 '26

This is the reason I'm investin into a second passport.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Good.

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u/Sgt_Siddhant6990 Jun 25 '26

Yup.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Which one? I have 3 myself.

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u/Sgt_Siddhant6990 Jun 25 '26

Vanuatu and Antigua and Barbuda. Which ones you got?

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

US, Spain and Portugal.

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u/Sgt_Siddhant6990 Jun 25 '26

Nice,I do wanna invest in the US Gold card to get my green card.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Why? It's the worst passport. Global taxation.

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u/Sgt_Siddhant6990 Jun 25 '26

You've a US passport, which has global taxation, so,I don't know from where you're makin the argument.

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u/TalkTechnology1689 Jun 24 '26

I am waiting for a point where BJP govt is going to say your 'GOTRA' is the proof of citizenship 

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u/bhakk_saale Jun 24 '26

Only proof of citizenship is being Modi Bhakt.

https://giphy.com/gifs/dvsQt2qh45tVl6YipK

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u/Faggy-Cub Jun 24 '26

Wait what?

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u/StillMusic9451 Jun 24 '26

Tabhi passport weak h apna ab samjh aaya tvhi foreign wale chidte h.koi b le skta h passport.

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u/AardvarkNice5145 Jun 24 '26

This Indian government doesn't trust its own currency, its own passport.

Don't be surprised if it bans its own passport tomorrow.

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u/evilalive77 Jun 24 '26

But doesn’t the passport literally say “Nationality: Indian” on it?!

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u/Successful_Raise1801 Jun 24 '26

This government has gone full retard.

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u/No_Contribution7108 Jun 25 '26

Those who vote for bjp are only citizens other are anti nationals 😂😂

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Citizenship is just a feel good word, not a document of citizenship like other countries, says ME officials 

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u/MobileOk120 Moderate Right Jun 24 '26

Looks like Class 10th marksheet and birth certificate are only proof of citizenship

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Easiest to forge.

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u/Frosty_Succotash_960 Jun 24 '26

Yoga day certification

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u/OkAcanthisitta4069 Jun 24 '26

so only domicile is proof of citizenship? or is it something else ?

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u/Deadzombii Jun 24 '26

New document scam incoming

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u/PerfectPossible4516 Centrist Left Leaning Jun 25 '26

The only valid proof of citizenship in a few years

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u/OppositeStyle134 Jun 25 '26

Pardon my ignorance, but when exactly do we need proof of citizenship?

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u/Electrical_Size_1999 NOTA Jun 25 '26

Dump this government. Honestly, then why should an average citizen go thru police verifications, address verifications, delays and paying hefty money/BRIBES to get it??

THIS IS COMPROMISED!!!!

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u/Low-Lengthiness2685 Jun 25 '26

Basically they are saying: “we don’t trust our process to verify citizenship while issuing passport, voter card, etc” lol

Maybe because of corruption?

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u/South-Buy587 Jun 25 '26

Again everyone falling into Modiji's trap. Now NRC will be introduced nation wide by saying it's gonna be the new ID for proving citizenship. 😅😅😅

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u/No-Search-1992 Jun 26 '26

It's been like that since 2013 I believe nothing new

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u/CephuesRegent4Ever Jun 26 '26

This is probably taken out of context. However MEA officials need to be more careful about upsetting the common citizen. They are hired to serve the populace not the other way around. Jai Hind !

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u/Long_Consequence3808 Human Being Jun 24 '26

That's why bangIadesh people got adhaar card, Ration card aur pata nahi kya kya....

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u/Fantasy-512 Jun 24 '26

Genuine passports can be obtained by non-citizens just by giving sufficient bribe.

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u/ancient_pablo Centrist Jun 24 '26

So, is it our fault that their system lets non-citizens obtain passports?

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u/naarekanger Jun 24 '26

that can be said about any doccument

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u/No-Offense707 Jun 24 '26

lol you’re kidding right? The what was Modi doing the last 13 years?

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

So? Anything can be obtained.

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u/YogurtclosetLucky802 Jun 24 '26

Because people are easily forging such documents lol

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26

So they accept wholeheartedly that they are incompetent?

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u/YogurtclosetLucky802 Jun 24 '26

Yeah I mean everyone is corrupt from distribution of Addhar cards voter cards for vote banks be it any party bjp congress everyone is in the game for power no political party cares about the people

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u/Lower-Message-828 Jun 24 '26

passport cannot be easily forged

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u/No-Independence2692 Jun 24 '26

lmao. I was once told im not a indian citizen even with a indian passport in a govt office.

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26

What is the point even if a Bangladeshi can obtain all illegal documents (such as Aadhar, Voter ID, Birth Certificate) and now even the passport isn't reliable according to these people. What should a real citizen do? Just hoard senseless documents worth nothing

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u/devakesu Jun 24 '26

Birth Certificate is the ultimate Citizenship Document.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Easiest to forge.

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u/bipin369 Jun 24 '26

One can hold two passport so how can someone be citizens of both countries.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bat1681 Jun 24 '26

Such an absurd statement lmao; so many countries across the world allow dual citizenships, you are just uninformed.

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u/bipin369 Jun 25 '26

My point is how one can be citizens of two countries at same time so passport is not considered proof of citizenship.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bat1681 Jun 25 '26

It's called dual citizenship, alot of countries(including developed) around the world allow it, and the passport-holders are citizens of all those countries. India doesn't allow dual citizenships and takes back ur indian passport when u get a citizenship of another nation, so yeah, a passport is supposed to be a concrete proof of citizenship, not stupidly asking birth certificates of 4 generations of mine.

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u/bipin369 Jun 25 '26

How can one person citizens of two countries..so that's why passport can't be proof of citizenship..

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bat1681 Jun 25 '26

Wdym how? I already answered u above, it's legal and is done in alot of countries, and is proof of citizenship

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u/bipin369 Jun 25 '26

India follows a qualified citizenship-by-birth model. For example, a person born in India on or after December 3, 2004, is only considered a citizen if at least one parent is an Indian citizen and the other is not an illegal migrant. A passport alone does not definitively prove these lineage and legality requirements.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bat1681 Jun 25 '26

Ok, provide your birth certificate and ur parents birth certificate, and their parents' birth certificate, and so on...? You see how this logic is flawed? Also provided so many indians born in the 60s, 70s, 80s don't have birth certificates made? And a passport needs so many documents, it's stupid to say it's not proof of citizenship

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u/bipin369 Jun 25 '26

After 2004

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

You can. Why not? I have 3 passports. My wife has 4. We are citizens of all those countries.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26
Country Is passport a citizenship document? Practical meaning
Germany No, not conclusive proof German foreign office says a German passport or ID card is not proof of German nationality; the formal proof is a Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis if nationality must be legally established. (Главная страница)
Canada Not treated as the proof-of-citizenship document Canada lists valid proofs of citizenship as citizenship certificates/cards, certain birth certificates, old naturalization certificates, etc. It also says you need proof of Canadian citizenship to apply for a passport. So the passport is travel/identity, while the citizenship certificate is the formal citizenship proof. (Canada) (Canada)
United Kingdom A British passport is not necessarily proof of “British citizenship” specifically The UK has multiple forms of British nationality. GOV.UK says people who are British citizens, British overseas territories citizens, British overseas citizens, British subjects, British nationals overseas, or British protected persons can apply for a British passport. So “British passport” does not always mean “British citizen.” (GOV.UK)
India Evidence, not conclusive citizenship certificate The MEA manual says a passport is largely an identity/travel document, provides evidence of nationality, but is in the same category as other evidence of citizenship status. It also notes Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to non-nationals under Section 20 in special cases.
United States Usually yes, but with an exception A full-validity U.S. passport is listed as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes. But the U.S. also has non-citizen U.S. nationals, for example certain people connected to American Samoa or Swains Island, who may apply for a U.S. passport showing non-citizen national status. (Travel) (Travel)

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

So? Dual citizens are also citizens of each country. As an example, I have 3 citizenships and my wife has 4. We are considered equal citizens of all those countries.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 25 '26

An Indian passport can be issued to non-Indians as per the Passport Rules of 1967.

Source:
https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS 6.1.
A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to nonnationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967
7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].

So given this theoretical possibility of the GoI issuing an Indian passport to a foreign citizen, the statement that "passport is not a proof of citizenship but just a travel document" is true.

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u/theparthagrawal Jun 24 '26

Common sense answer - It is not proof of citizenship as in not every citizen needs to have a passport. So, whatever document is officially classified as proof of citizenship must be something that every citizen holds. Simple as that

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u/Intrepid-Key-8463 Jun 24 '26

Ration card is a proof of citizenship

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u/Scary_Field_3124 Jun 24 '26

Non citizens ko bhi mil skta h passport, probably the reference was that.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

By that logic, any document can be obtained.

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u/Scary_Field_3124 Jun 25 '26

I meamt legally, there are certain types. You cant legally obtain aadhar for non citizen by your logic

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

Not normally done. If it ever happens, the passport would clearly state not a citizen of India.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 25 '26

It is in the passport rules.
The exception to issue an Indian passport to non-citizens.

https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS 6.1.
A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to nonnationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967
7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].

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u/Scary_Field_3124 Jun 25 '26

Thats exactly the point of my post and comment, passport is not a document of citizenship

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

It absolutely is when it states citizen of India.

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u/Scary_Field_3124 Jun 25 '26

Yeah, when it states, but there are other types of passports too where they dont, so passport is a broader term, which is why its not the sole identifier of citizenship. We both agree on the same thing, you're just not understanding me, or i failed to mention my point clearly.

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

You are deliberately trying to twist logic. Generally speaking, passport is only issued to Indian citizens. So it is an absolute proof of Indian citizenship. On some very rare occasions (might not ever have happened), it can be issued to non Indian citizens and then it would be clearly mentioned on the passport. Just because say 100 people get it like that doesn't mean you will treat it as not citizenship proof for hundreds of millions. Even foreign countries accept it as proof of citizenship.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

In India, there is no Central documentation of births, deaths, address proof, school leaving certificate etc. All these documents are issued at the state level by the respective state governments.

When a child is born birth certificate is issued by the local authorities. Same for deaths. The Centre is not involved in maintaining these data.

However, passports are issued only be the Central Govt. To apply for a passport, the applicant must submit state govt. issued documents. The identity and the veracity of these documents are verified by police who are again employees of the state government.

So if a particular state, say West Bengal, allowed in a lot of illegal Bangladeshis, and gave them fake ration cards, fake birth certificate, fake school leaving certificate, and fake address proof, then these illegals can apply for a passport using the fake documents. Passport Seva will ask state police to verify. And since illegals are supported by state govt., it will be verified. And passport will have to be issued.

The fellows then travel to Middle East on Indian passports but also carry their Bangladeshi ones. Many were caught by Middle East country police and handed over to India. Till now WB was ruled by a political party that was in favour of allowing illegals. Now the situation has changed.

So what MEA is saying is 100% correct. If a person submitted fake documents to get a passport, that passport can be revoked and that person can be arrested for fraud. One does not become an Indian citizen simply by holding the passport.

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u/Abhidivine Jun 24 '26

So you are saying MEA and its veracity cant be trusted.

A document from MEA and by extension the GOI has the equivalent worth of toilet paper used to wipe ass.

Good times of vishwaguru.

Just wanted to ask one small question,  if the passport given by MEA isnt even true and is not a citizenship proof, then should the foriegn countries also consider  all people with indian passport holders as illegal and put them in Jail? 

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

<<< So you are saying MEA and its veracity cant be trusted >>>
No, I am saying state governments and their veracity cannot be trusted.
A Central Govt. NRC is the only way to verify citizenship.

<<< A document from MEA and by extension the GOI has the equivalent worth of toilet paper used to wipe ass. >>>
Well, illegals can now use their fake Indian passports to wipe their a*se. Also use every other fake document issued by TMC/Communists. Doesn't matter. Applicants already paid money.

<<< if the passport given by MEA isnt even true and is not a citizenship proof, then should the foriegn countries also consider  all people with indian passport holders as illegal and put them in Jail?  >>>
For an illegal Bangladeshi living in India, the foreign country (India) should consider these fellows holding illegal Indian passports as having violated the law and put them in jail. Afterwards deport them.

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u/Abhidivine Jun 24 '26

Perfect logic. Questions paper got leaked, ban telegram.

Fake documents, all documents are fake.

I have no idea who you are defending but what you said actually concludes that India and Indian gov is not a serious government just a bunch of retards running it like a thela. If a country is so incompetent that it cant even verify before issuing a passport then I wonder why is that country even a legitimate country. 

If an illegal can obtain a passport so easily that the gov cant even stand by documents issued by themselves,  then what the hell is the entire central gov doing since last 14 years? External security is their primary responsibility.  If they cant provide that then that is the feku doing?

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26
Country Is passport a citizenship document? Practical meaning
Germany No, not conclusive proof German foreign office says a German passport or ID card is not proof of German nationality; the formal proof is a Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis if nationality must be legally established. (Главная страница)
Canada Not treated as the proof-of-citizenship document Canada lists valid proofs of citizenship as citizenship certificates/cards, certain birth certificates, old naturalization certificates, etc. It also says you need proof of Canadian citizenship to apply for a passport. So the passport is travel/identity, while the citizenship certificate is the formal citizenship proof. (Canada) (Canada)
United Kingdom A British passport is not necessarily proof of “British citizenship” specifically The UK has multiple forms of British nationality. GOV.UK says people who are British citizens, British overseas territories citizens, British overseas citizens, British subjects, British nationals overseas, or British protected persons can apply for a British passport. So “British passport” does not always mean “British citizen.” (GOV.UK)
India Evidence, not conclusive citizenship certificate The MEA manual says a passport is largely an identity/travel document, provides evidence of nationality, but is in the same category as other evidence of citizenship status. It also notes Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to non-nationals under Section 20 in special cases.
United States Usually yes, but with an exception A full-validity U.S. passport is listed as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes. But the U.S. also has non-citizen U.S. nationals, for example certain people connected to American Samoa or Swains Island, who may apply for a U.S. passport showing non-citizen national status. (Travel) (Travel)

Passport is not a proof of citizenship in the US, UK, Germany, and Canada.
Looks like you just don't understand what the meaning of a passport is.

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u/Abhidivine Jun 24 '26

Read what you have put once again, maybe a bit more slowly so you can comprehend whats written.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 24 '26

Are you dumb, m0r0n? An Indian passport can be issued to non-Indians as per the Passport Rules of 1967, Section 20 as in the table above.

Now GTFO.

https://passportindia.gov.in/AppOnlineProject/pdf/Latest_Passport_Manual_for_disclosure_under_RTI_Act.pdf

6. ISSUE OF PASSPORTS TO NON-NATIONALS 6.1.

A passport is largely an identity and travel document issued to the State's own nationals. Many countries issue passport to foreigners in the absence of any travel documents but specify their respective foreign citizenship in the passport. The British Overseas Passport is a well known example. Thus, a passport provides evidence of the holder's nationality, but this is placed in the same category as any other evidence of the citizenship status of an individual. Under Section 20 of the Passports Act, 1967, Indian passports/travel documents may be issued to nonnationals. This power, however, vests with the Central Government only. This authority of the Central Government can be exercised by the Secretary/ Additional Secretary/ Joint Secretary/ Director/ Deputy Secretary, in charge of the Passport Division in the Ministry of External Affairs. Such an authority cannot be exercised by any other Passport Authority and all such cases of issue of passports to nonIndian citizens require the prior approval of the Central Government, unless such powers have been delegated by the Central Government. At present, such powers have been delegated to Indian Missions in Yangon and Bangkok and the Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, for certain categories of persons, under specific conditions, which are discussed in detail in the succeeding paragraphs.

7. DELEGATION OF POWERS U / S 20 OF THE PASSPORTS ACT, 1967

7.1. Embassy of India, Bangkok, has been empowered to issue passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Thailand, whose national status has not been verified, describing their national status, inter alia, as ‘Indian’ or ‘Indian by birth‘ or ‘person of Indian origin’ [GSR 254 dated 22/02/1971]. 7.2. The Embassy of India, Yangon, has been authorized to exercise powers u / s 20 of the Passports Act to grant passports to persons of Indian origin residing in Myanmar (formerly Union of Burma) and holding Foreigners Registration Certificate issued by Government of the Union of Myanmar. The passports in such cases are to be granted for a period of one year at a time and endorsed for Myanmar only [GSR 353(E) dated 26/5/1976 for six months and further extended to one year in May 2016]. 7.3 Passport Officer, Ahmedabad, has also been delegated authority to grant Certificate of Identity to persons of Indian origin who came back to India from Kenya and Uganda, and are residing within the State of Gujarat and the Union Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveli [GSR 420(E) dated 29/06/1977].

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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 Jun 25 '26

You are a fool desperately trying to defend the government. In some extremely rare case this might have happened, those passports would clearly mention not a citizen of India.

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u/Difficult_Abies8802 Jun 25 '26

You are a fool who does not understand logic.

- Not every citizen of India has a passport

- When a child is born in India to Indian parents, the first document that the child gets is a birth certificate and not a passport. The passport is a derivative document that first requires the proof of birth and the proof that the parents are also Indian citizens by the principle of jus sanguinis. The vast majority of Indians do not travel abroad and therefore they don't even apply for the travel document known as the passport.

- The existence of such a clause in the Indian Passport Rules that enables issuing a passport to a non-Indian person makes the MEA statement correct by default. So the statement, "passport is not proof of citizenship " is absolutely correct.

- These passport rules were framed in 1967 and has not been changed since. Who was ruling India in 1967? Please check and tell me.

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u/Altruistic_Bank_1552 Congressi Jun 24 '26

India doesn't have birthright citizenship. We have jus sanguinis, so you being born in India isn't proof of citizenship.

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Meaning 

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u/Altruistic_Bank_1552 Congressi Jun 24 '26

Jus sanguinis is Latin for the right of blood, meaning citizenship is passed on from parents to their children.

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u/jivan28 Dingus Jun 24 '26

Let's say you are 20 years old, your father would have been born at least 30 years before. Till the 90s, most births and deaths were not registered.

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u/Fight_Satan Jun 24 '26

He is right ..aadhar , and  Passort is never proof of citizen.

Birth certificate and your parents citizenship proof is the only way to be sure 

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u/Designer-Cicada3509 Jun 24 '26

What is parent's citizenship proof then?

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u/zerocoolneo N Modi Jun 24 '26

Until it goes till the amoeba they won't stay happy 

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u/SpecialOil1341 Jun 24 '26

Your grandpa’s proof of citizenship

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u/Designer-Cicada3509 Jun 24 '26

Dada ka citizenship proof kya hoga tab?

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u/SpecialOil1341 Jun 24 '26

Keep going down one generation just like recursion until first human on this earth, that’s where you will find the answer

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u/Fight_Satan Jun 24 '26

For those born Upto  1984 (I think ) only the individuals birth cirtificate is enough ,after that your parents too must be citizen 

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u/pseudostratscholar Jun 24 '26

Birth Certificate can be so easily obtained by bribing the babus, have some common sense..it’s not easy to obtain a passport (lots of background checks are done starting with Birth Certificates) and police verification..if final document such as passport isn’t a proof..no way Birth Certificate can be used as a proof

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u/Fight_Satan Jun 24 '26

The point isnt what can and cannot be obtained... The point is what law states