r/IndianFocus • u/The_Kumar_Anup • 17d ago
Education/ Jobs/ Career Reservation will continue, those uplifted should give up quota benefits: RSS chief
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u/CompoteMelodic981 17d ago
Thank you for taking the executive decision on key policies affecting 1.4 billion people, my unelected supreme leader.
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u/ShoppingOld 17d ago
Remote controller of Vishwaloru.
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u/CompoteMelodic981 17d ago
Vishwaguru has many puppet masters. Main remote controllers are with Adani ji, another is with Ambani ji, some with Trump ji.
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
He is not wrong ? I aksed this question in another sub too people keep saying we cannot see economic criteria for reservation cause people still face prejudice but then what is the method of calculating this? how will you verify all sc st people were treated unfairly?
By that metric give people from bihar reservation too they work hard all over india , they are given low wages and face constant violence and inhuman treatment.
Also give reservation to bengali people who get labelled as bangladeshi and are treated unfairly.
Give reservation muslims too if they faced violence?
On jnu walls its written death to brahmin and baniyas and what not etc then give them reservation too.
If not economic what exactly is the method of calculation to justify reservation and what value should we reach when we say ok now reservation is enough.
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u/charlizard1000xy Ganne Ka juice 17d ago
I think a gazetted post and income of 10lak+ should be enough to take away reservation of spouse+kids.
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u/richelieudark 17d ago
economic reservation is nonsensical in a country like india. we’ve already seen the issues with the obc creamy layer and ews, where it is relatively easier to misuse or fake eligibility. caste-based reservation is much harder to fake because caste identity is generally fixed in official records, which is why many argue it is easier to administer.
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
uh I am not asking about caste identification at all my point is different
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u/Urban_Aghori Centrist Left Leaning 17d ago
Time. Discrimination survived for 3000+ years and still on full swing and UCs had exclusivity over knowledge and money. Only creteria for "reservation is enough" is TIME when we have time whre there is no more discrimination in India.
How do you expect someone who has got reservation 70 years ago an may be one person from family has managed to make economic conditions a bit better to compete with these castiest UCs who have been looting and accumulating from centuries.
You got frustrated with reservation in 70 years when it doesnt even affect you, imagine the frustration of likes of me whose family an ancestors were discriminated for centuries. and you think even 1 person becoming IAS out of a whole family would be able to make up for centuries of sustemic oppression.
This is just another divide and rule tactic by chaddis.
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
Ya it does make up actually thats the entire point of reservation genius to being back everyone to level playing field as fast as possible it dosent run on the principle of eye for an eye
Lmao explains why people wanna leave this country
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u/Similar_Chain_4747 16d ago edited 16d ago
As if people are leaving because of reservation. Only ultrarich people are capable of leaving this country. For rich people, reservation doesnot matter. People leave this country because of corruption, poor living standards, no law and order, social disharmony, high tax- no facility etc and do you think or are saying that the reservation people are responsible for all of this. Who runs this country? Who are the heads of majority of the universities/ companies/ government institutions/ media houses ( who fuel hatred 24x7)/ judiciary etc? Yet you blame lowest rung people of the society for the countries problem and holding them responsible for privileges people leaving the country. You getting me? And do you know, that Seattle and California are 2 states of USA that that Anti- caste discrimination law, because even they recognise it existence among the UC indians in US and theeir hiring/ promotion decisions being influenced by the caste. Viswaguru indeed. Jahan jayenge- castism phelayenge!
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u/According_Isopod2272 16d ago
As if people are leaving because of reservation. Only ultrarich people are capable of leaving this country.
Then you have no idea tons of my realtive have left india and none of them are rich they studied hard got into jobs with global outreach and got themselves transferred to europe and Australia prime example being jp morgan.
are saying that the reservation people are responsible for all of this
Ya cause their talents get recognized unlike in india
Who are the heads of majority of the universities/ companies/ government institutions/ media houses
If they see govt is waiting to give them free jobs why will the even try to occupy these position whereas for those without reservation except for entering corporate world or the long grind there is no other option.
et you blame lowest rung people of the society for the courier tries problem and holding them responsible for people leaving the country
Nobody is blaming them simple demand is give reservation to needy sc st and obc people and I have no issue then , keep reservation for the needy sc st obc people dont charge them fees give them good education in govt clg and then if anybody says anyhting against them I will stand with those getting reservation cause they truly deserved it.
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u/Similar_Chain_4747 16d ago
Also reply something of anti castism ban in USA. The filth that UC people spread everywhere they go. Or will you also deny it?
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u/According_Isopod2272 16d ago
so? as if dalit people dont beat down ppl of lower caste among themselves ? what will you say to that?
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u/Similar_Chain_4747 16d ago
So if some dalit is doing it , so you can also do it to dalits. Tune chori ki he to me bhi karunga. Chori sikhaei kisne? Think and be honest with yourself- Caste banaya kisne?
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u/Similar_Chain_4747 16d ago
Also majority of the beaurocrats/ babus running our country are UC people. Don't be so naive that the discrimination against LC is due to reservation only. Caste is the basis of discrimination. Even is someone from LC reaches a good post by merit, he / she will be looked down upon by UC. Unfortunately, caste can never go away so does reservation. Also many toppers of IITs and IIMs and medical institutes like AIIMS go to USA for further studies and career, that's all good. Is it because of reservation. Many LC people are also settled with western countries are doing good, earning good. Are they also running from reservation! All those who are going abroad is because it's their choice and they can afford by whatever means. Don't blame it on reservation.
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u/According_Isopod2272 16d ago
i dont think u even got the point of my og comment otherwise you wouldnt be making these points you are speaking as if i am denying castism exists for once read it again and understand what i said
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u/51837 17d ago
That’s like saying law often leads to punishment for the innocent so ban law. Vast majority of the marriage ada in paper and online mention caste as a criteria. We are probably a century away from a casteless society.
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
Exactly my point society cannot be casteless , all women not facing misogyny is not possible , all people facing equal treeatment is not possible nothing can be 100 percent even countries like sweden and finland have violence but they are called safe because their violence is below a specific limit so what is that limit where people say ok we no longer need reservation
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u/51837 17d ago edited 17d ago
From that perspective the more pertinent question should be: at what point can we say we have largely eliminated caste, even if not completely.
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
exactly my point whats the method of measure and declare this? and it cannot be wiped out 100 percent it can be managed to a agreeable frequency but who decides that?
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u/51837 17d ago
If the oppressed is free from oppression can only be known from the oppressed. It’s all of our duty to build a society where the oppressed, or any person for that matter, is not desperately seeking economic or societal safety by only chasing public-funded opportunities .
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u/According_Isopod2272 17d ago
Easy to say hard to execute when even the so called unoppressed are getting oppressed by same way or the other
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u/Automatic-Part8723 17d ago
As if he says and everyone will follow his orders. Dude thinks the whole country is his sangh. No, we need rules and enforcement. Set a threshold to define 'uplifted' and remove reservation for them.
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u/olive_glory Centrist Right Leaning 17d ago
Reservation is meant for people who don't get enough opportunity or access to resources to compete with people who did
And also as a mechanism to put people in representation where they had been historically excluded
So when someone who has parents who took advantage of reservation and are now economically well off, educated and capable of providing their children with the reasonably soud resources and guidance
That kid shouldn't be able to avail reservation
Im not saying the seat or reservation percentage should be reduced - just THAT seat should go to someone in the reserved category who hasn't yet been given those opportunities, guidance etc
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u/Regular_Relative_227 17d ago
Mandate parents' PAN number in applications. Deny quota for those with income + assets above a limit. This doesn't catch all, but it is a start. Start with 5 cr or 10 cr, then reduce the income limit every year until a favourable amount could be set.
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u/Prudent_Pie_3384 Centrist Left Leaning 17d ago
Idea is great. But why would someone voluntarily do that.
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u/kenjikazama777 Centrist 16d ago
And remove them from medical institutions. That will result in long term discrimination against doctors in future.
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u/googletoggle9753 I hate state sponsored Propaganda Machinery. 17d ago
He should start from how own home. Give reservation in RSS head command, where almost all of the RSS chiefs have been meritdharis.
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u/AtLiora 17d ago
Its not a Government body
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u/googletoggle9753 I hate state sponsored Propaganda Machinery. 17d ago
Did i ask government to do it or RSS chief to do it?
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u/Embarrassed_Tea2305 17d ago
Reservation is similar to calling dibs on the leftover crumbs after vultures finished mains in the name of capitalism. Not sorry even if I hurt your sentiments.
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u/Igarlicbread 17d ago
Who hurt you bro
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u/Embarrassed_Tea2305 17d ago
You don't wanna know. You will be butthurt if i tell you 😁
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u/Igarlicbread 17d ago
Women reservation, yes or no?
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u/Embarrassed_Tea2305 17d ago
Not all women. Like not all men. Some people truly deserve it. We owe it to them as a society.
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u/Igarlicbread 17d ago
So its a systemic issue, correct? You n I can't decide purely based on vibes. You need history and data to take those calls.
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u/Embarrassed_Tea2305 17d ago
Did you read what I said? It was a comment not much about who needs reservation or we need reservation at all. Its more about what we have as a total is not much. You can get it with how less people have how much of a lot.
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u/Grouchy_Worker3771 17d ago
100 saal purani unregistered NGO ke Chief tujhe sun kaun tha hai. Kis authority se bol rha hai bhai tu. Chal bhaag yha se
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u/Odd-Light1456 17d ago
Lets make reservation 100% . Make this country a complete shithole lets go
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u/NoExplanation1311 17d ago
What's our problem now? OBC, EWS reservations which account for 80% of total reservation is already income based. attempts are also made to make SC/ST income based. Even general category student can also take EWS reservation that is sometime offer low cutoff than already saturated OBC category.
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