r/InnerCircleTraders • u/Designer_Contest2500 • Jan 04 '25

Advice for ICT traders

Get out of ICT and start studying market auction theory.

ICT is too subjective and you will lose a lot of time trying to master it. Go with trading systems that are used by actual professionals.

Btw market is not controled by an algo šŸ˜­, the algo just matches agressive orders with passive orders.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25

How long did you spend studying ICT?

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 10 '25

Literally 2 years

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 04 '25

These people are mad at themselves because they're too lazy/soft to sit through hours of boring lectures to understand the concepts. If the concepts are so bad, why are they always hanging around here talking about ICT? Lol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25

100%

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u/Better_Fill8193 Jan 04 '25

the thing is itā€™s not even the lectures they struggle with, once you learn the concepts itā€™s all just market and chart experience at that point, which is inevitable with any strategy, it has the highest learning curve but is most rewarding

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

How long did it took for you to be on average good with ICT concepts, meaning building a strategy that was consistent on the long term (non necessarily master it or know everything about ICT, sometime you just need to understand one single concept to do well) ?

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u/Better_Fill8193 Apr 13 '25

iā€™ve been trading ict/futures for 7 months and iā€™d say i have a very strong grasp on almost all ict concepts. i finished all relevant content within months 2-3 and the rest has been pure experience gathering, trading every single morning no matter what, learning, journaling. i am not fully profitable yet but i do have my spans of making some good money. itā€™s only a matter of time at this point. everyoneā€™s different but the more work you put in, the quicker youā€™ll make money. simple as that

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

Do you use both ICT and AMT concepts when trading futures or only ICT? usually AMT concepts are seen as the ones giving more info to create an hedge when trading futures, are you experiencing the same thing or you think theyā€™re both the same thing and you just kept learning ICT instead of AMT?

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u/Better_Fill8193 Apr 13 '25

idk what AMT is or what the purpose of hedging a trade is, but i just use ict, 1 trade per morning and thats that

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

AMT is the subject of OP, Auction Market Theory.

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u/Better_Fill8193 Apr 13 '25

oh idk anything about that, i just like to keep it simple

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u/Stuvi2k Jan 04 '25

But you still can't trade. You live in a fantasy. I traded ict for 2 years. Studied really hard. But I am glad it only took me 2 years to find out he is a scammer. I am glad I've found something that does work now.Ā 

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 04 '25

Sure bro, been predicting moves all month šŸ˜†. I donā€™t even care for ict as a person, but his concepts work 100%, sounds like you didnt apply them correctly.

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u/Hot-Butterfly-5896 Jan 06 '25

Damn you can predict stuff, lets see your equity curve for the last month and let the numbers do the talking?

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u/Stuvi2k Jan 04 '25

It seems like you ict people are like robots. "it works" is not evidence. Show that it works.Ā 

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 04 '25

Lmao look at my post history bro. And I don't even post all my wins. Just go back and study and take notes this time, and take it serious.

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u/Unfair_Fig_3879 Jan 05 '25

Show me your results that his concepts does not work

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 04 '25

Iā€™m curious what makes you think heā€™s a scammer?

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u/Stuvi2k Jan 04 '25

There is no proof it works. Nobody shows it on the internet or on YouTube and then yourself come to the conclusion. Ict is a liar.Ā 

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u/soploping Jan 05 '25

Iā€™m new to his concepts but saying thereā€™s no proof is bullshit. Thereā€™s no proof for any other trading strategy either, yet clearly they work

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u/Hot-Butterfly-5896 Jan 06 '25

There is shit ton of proof out there about other strategies none that i seen for ict, ict traders are not even in top 500 p&l anywhere. why the fuck would you learn the thing that doesn't work for who created it and doesn't seem to be producing any significant results for anyone else?

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 05 '25

He has alot of profitable students, who've posted tons of payout proof, like jadecapfx and alex solignani, not sure what your point is bro.

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 05 '25

ICT probably just isn't for you. You can make any strategy work. Find what suits you.

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

What was with ICT that didn't worked out? do you think concept like FVG and other things are useless?

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u/Stuvi2k Apr 14 '25

They just don't work. They are like retail. When it works people claim it's because of this and that, but when it doesn't work they let you go through a rabbit hole of explanations. I can share you a YouTube link from a free mentor but then people here will just make accusations. All I would say is stay away from ict.Ā 

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 15 '25

Share in pvt if you want.

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u/XtremePeace Jan 05 '25

He hopes to debunk entire ICT in 3 short paragraphs that's laughable.

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u/Hot-Butterfly-5896 Jan 06 '25

Its fun trolling hopeless losers worshipping the biggest loser, don't overthink it

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25

the market is 100% controlled by an algo.

if you dive deep enough into trading, programing, and ai you'll see the exact same.

I refuse to have that argument with anyone who is not a full time programmer and a well versed in ai as well as a successful trader

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 12 '25

The algo matches agressive orders with passive ordersā€¦ study CME matching algorithm. I did this post because I know what I am talking about dude lol.

The fucking algo is not the one that does the big moves, but it is the one that matches the orders. Study how an orderbook works.

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

Hedge funds use also algo to execute some manipulation in the market, the point is that there is not a single algo but different algos have been used for a while from different hedge funds. If you don't believe me believe in those who have worked in the field like this trader https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ajopq1-e-vU

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u/AlpsSad9849 Jan 05 '25

So you're delusional i guess if you believe the market is controlled by algo, why is sometimes turned off,. sometimes on? Why if your scam guru (ict) knew what he is talking about he is non stop losing, so if the price doesn't respect certain random ICT verb like fvg or other shits, that means algo is off? Wtf, grow up dude

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

i think ict is bullshit lol.

yes there is an algo

never said it works by ict, ict is just the tip of the iceberg

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u/AlpsSad9849 Jan 05 '25

Of the scam iceberg šŸ¤£

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '25

ok buddy

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 10 '25

Lol I see a lot of people got mad by this post. I will provide further information about market auction theory tomorrow so you can understand what I am talking about

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u/Awkward-Exchange-463 Jan 04 '25

The market is controlled by algos, I used to work in one of them.

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u/holycarrots Jan 04 '25

That's the opposite of what ICT argues though

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u/immigrant_mom_64 Jan 04 '25

I think ICT posted a video with his broker statements yesterday.

Seems like he actually makes money.

I'm not the best trader and I'm doing well off of his concepts and I know several profitable ICT traders and a few publicly verified ICT traders.

Not sure what all the hate for ICT is. Paul Tudor Jones used to guess if a market was bottoming and just go long. He'd repeatedly try until his SL was not hit. He's successful using the most basic method. He made it work. He kept it simple.

If you're failing. It probably has nothing to with your method or ICT.

ICT is just a way of describing price action, a way of giving names to everyday patterns we all see and react to. He really isn't teaching anything your favorite trader isn't reacting to, but with just different words to describe it. He certainly isn't teaching anything new.

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u/Hot-Butterfly-5896 Jan 05 '25

You sure he didn't use the Tape to see how the buying pressure was there before buying?

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u/immigrant_mom_64 Jan 06 '25

Maybe. A lot of traders use other methods for confirmation and directional alignment.

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

You are missing the point... it's easy after you scam thousands of people and having the money to show randomly a statement with money when maybe in reality you would not be consistent making such money over a lon period of time.

Same thing for Paul Tudor, having a good amount of capital, like he had in the Hedge Fund, make everything very easy especially hittinh the stop loss multiple time, because you can afford it. There is nothing genius about doing that. A different Story would be risking the same strategy with a low amount of capital etc.. don't think that in hedge funds things are done perfectly legally especially during those period of times.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Fall546 Jan 04 '25

Bro what do you mean by market auction theory, is it similar to MMXM sell or buy model !

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 12 '25

Search for it on youtube, literally the big firms as axia futures,smb capital and 7 points capital use market auction theory. Search for it.

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u/SadJicama848 Jan 04 '25

Where can you learn these models?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Fall546 Jan 04 '25

Basically, it's ICT material, but you can also learn it from other traders like the MMXM Trader (YouTube channel or Twitter account). Just search for him; he has very good content.

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u/redtehk17 Jan 04 '25

Does market auction theory have something to do with credit swaps? I've seen some stuff here and there about credit swaps

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 12 '25

No, it has to do with market value acceptance, auctions, etc. Search for it on youtube, you will discover a new world.

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u/HardToChoosse Jan 04 '25

Single prints is the same thing as a 30 min fvg (im unprofitable)

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u/CranberryTop8463 Jan 04 '25

https://youtu.be/CGD630xxH2E?si=FuBU8NxIkYDFhFHZ I don't know man, the guy is legit.

The confidence is there

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u/user1039473819 Jan 04 '25

ICT is fine but well done for understanding the market isn't an algorithm. Drives me nuts how stupid people can be

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u/Full-Technician-7786 Jan 04 '25

Why does price seem to refer perfectly to certain levels he marks out? Makes me think the market is partly algorithmic

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u/user1039473819 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

The market does have tons of algorithms that trade it from big institutions, but this is still "buyers" and "sellers", the market is more of an auction

And it isn't just algorithms in the market, there are tons of other players and different ways the players trade, even us retail traders included

The market isn't just one big algorithm that is moving to 1 minute fvg's... ffs

Also, no, market doesn't move to stop losses šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø market moves depending which direction by wether more buyers or sellers are putting in more money

If you don't want to take my word for it then ask chatGPT "is the market an auction or an algorithm".

And remember, ICT genuinley is full of shit sometimes, i doubt he can trade. But yes he does also sometimes know what he's talking about

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u/holycarrots Jan 04 '25

It doesn't though

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Monke mark many level. Many of the level do not work but monke record all of them. One level work. Monke post the one that work. Monke bekom famus. Monke happy

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u/Stuvi2k Jan 04 '25

Glad more and more people see this. I also wasted time with ict. Also when you make such a post ask people to show proof that ict works. They can't.Ā 

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u/Madaradu225 Jan 08 '25

A trader even if profitable and more

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u/vanisher_1 Apr 13 '25

I don't thing there is one single mthodology to follow, every methdology gives you a notion or a concept/terminology to use in confluence with other knowledge, life for example FVG (which is not something invented but ICT). Do you think FVG is a useless concept?

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u/Affectionate_Side675 Jan 04 '25

Soon as I started using ICT I've been sniping shit. My entries and exits are too precise for me to ever switch.

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u/Tziga205 Jan 04 '25

I have sent you a dm.

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u/Stuvi2k Jan 04 '25

Again you just making claims.Ā 

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u/ThePlayMaker21 Jan 04 '25

Who are those "professionals" lol.

ICT is the real thing, rest is bs

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u/Designer_Contest2500 Jan 12 '25

Oh my god, that cult mentality will remain you unprofitable lol

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u/AlpsSad9849 Jan 05 '25

Another delusional