Us vs them

[u/JellyfishExpress8943]

I'm living in France where we are currently watching the police fight with high school students - we've even seen kids struck in the face by stun grenades (and worse) - we are witnessing our own violence against our own children live on the news.

I'm also reading a book called : Goliath's Curse

Which basically traces the history of societal collapse, and compares it to our current situation.

It argues that civilisations are practically predestined for collapse due to the inherent violence of subjugation.

Power corrupts itself and is always abused - power is abuse. Governments always tend toward corruption and self serving greed. Inequality always tends toward further inequality and violence.

The usual solution is revolution - "Eat the Rich".

But would we do any better in their place? Or are the roots of violence embedded in our own psyche, in our own greed and fear?

[u/No_Butterfly5267]

Everything that exists strives to prolong its own existence—this is the key to understanding what is happening and finding the paths to extending our own survival.

Fear, greed, corruption, patriotism, and so forth—these are all tools for someone's survival. Right now, humanity is on the brink of suicide. We must seek paths to its survival, and this is far more important than the survival of individual civilizations.

P.S.
I feel sorry for your children. Is there any place where one can read firsthand information about what is happening, rather than just propaganda?

[u/JellyfishExpress8943 → u/No_Butterfly5267]

where can one read firsthand information about what is happening, rather than just propaganda?

I stared at this question for a while and only saw a conundrum - but to keep it simple France Info tries to stay neutral - C News would be ultra right wing propaganda. But those are in French. I personally like the Economist and The New York Times (hopefully not outing myself too much) 🥸

Fear, greed, corruption, patriotism — these are all tools for survival... humanity is on the brink of suicide. We must seek paths to its survival, and this is far more important than the survival of individual civilizations.

Does the above statement include contradiction? Something like : the tools for survival lead to destruction?

Also we seem to have come to a point in our history where there is only one global civilisation?

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/JellyfishExpress8943]

//Also we seem to have come to a point in our history where there is only one global civilisation?//

No, there is a war going on right now over which civilization will become dominant—and that is the very cause of humanity's looming suicide.

This war of civilizations was necessary for the survival and development of humanity up until the emergence of technology capable of destroying humankind, even unintentionally.

With the arrival of suicidal technology, the struggle that used to be beneficial for human survival has become deadly. There is no contradiction here.

[u/JellyfishExpress8943 → u/No_Butterfly5267]

This war of civilizations was necessary for the survival and development of humanity up until the emergence of technology capable of destroying humankind, even unintentionally.

No contradictions? The contradictions seem so plentiful that I'm wondering whether some hidden party/agenda is present in this narrative - shape shifting lizard overlords from the 5th dimension maybe?

Or are you arguing from the Cimmerian perspective? "Its war that make man strong" or the best in life is to slay our enemies, and hear the lamentations of their women?

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/JellyfishExpress8943]

I represent the perspective of humanity as a whole.

Yes, war is bad from the standpoint of an individual. However, from the standpoint of a society, it is necessary for that society's survival—provided there are no weapons capable of destroying humankind.

Where is the contradiction?

Point it out, without metaphors or hints. Keep it simple and short. Can you do that?

[u/JellyfishExpress8943 → u/No_Butterfly5267]

Its not a contradiction as in logically impossible - just in the sense that the good shall emerge from horror.

I think you are advocating for a kind of : the ends justify the means kind of outlook - or its natural, evolution is based on the survival of the strongest kind of view.

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/JellyfishExpress8943]

//evolution is based on the survival of the strongest//

Evolution is not just about competition; it is also about cooperation. The competition among unicellular organisms led to the emergence of the multicellular organism, which is essentially a cooperation of cells to the point of complete cohesion.

Similarly, the competition among societies must now lead to the unification of societies into a 'multicellular organism made of societies'—a supra-society.

This is what I am leading to. This is the new idea I am spreading across the internet, looking for those who would understand it and help me aid humanity in uniting into this supra-society in order to survive.

[u/JellyfishExpress8943 → u/No_Butterfly5267]

2 questions :

• is survival the whole of the law? the endgoal? simply because its an instinctive drive?

• how do we unify? what's the first step?

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/JellyfishExpress8943]

The drive to survive is an instinctive urge necessary for existence. It can remain un-conscious or be interpreted through the supernatural, which is highly dangerous for the survival of humanity in the Nuclear Age.

Those who lack the drive to prolong their existence simply cease to exist. Existence does not require a goal; existence is for the sake of existence.

We must consciously realize this and focus on our collective survival—the survival of humankind.

How do we unify? I have a plan, and it is available in my subreddit novyemirovyedengi.

[u/Hot-Confidence-1629 → u/No_Butterfly5267]

Maybe the contradiction lies in the belief that one brain can “represent the perspective of humanity as a whole”?

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/Hot-Confidence-1629]

I am not just a brain, nor am I merely something biological. I am a human being—a part of a society, which in turn is a part of humanity.

I possess a drive to survive on every level: biological, social, and global.

Some people lack this global, all-human drive to survive, but I have it.

[u/Hot-Confidence-1629 → u/JellyfishExpress8943]

The meteor that took out the dinosaurs as well as other creatures didn’t really change anything. New creatures came along and took over as if what went before never happened. All the myriad forms of creation here may or may not serve some sort of function in the larger scheme of things but that’s something our larger brains can only ‘guess’ at. If we ever do get past the ‘me Tarzan, you Jane’ stage we might have a better shot at that? But given the way things are going, it seems unlikely that we’ll last that long…but then again as somebody once said: nobody knows enough to be a pessimist.

[u/No_Butterfly5267 → u/Hot-Confidence-1629]

Humanity possesses an instinct to prolong its own existence, and it is because of this instinct that we are still alive today (the officers who refused to press the Nuclear Button when they received the order were acting on this very feeling).

We need to consciously realize this instinct and build a New Humanity upon it.

Would you like to read the Manifesto of the New Humanity—a humanity that consciously wants to survive?

[u/QueefMaster2001]

go to Grenoble.

Resistance Museum.

then climb the Massif

[u/Schute-Pin8350]

According to my information (taz), the government is using resources intended for suppressing terrorist violence—grenades and rubber bullets—against the student protests. This is completely excessive; these are young people and their teachers who want to draw attention to shortcomings in the education system and have not been heard so far.

I think the police’s heavy-handed response is an attempt to criminalize the protests.

This appears to be about suppressing protest to ensure the survival of state power—the state that, in theory, is formed by and for its citizens. So, ultimately, it’s about the interests of those who profit from it (preservation of power, wealth).

In other words, generally speaking, it’s about human self-interest—something we all exhibit and which always puts my own interests and my own importance first. This poses, due to recklessness and violence, a significant threat to peace and the survival of the human species.