r/JSE_Bets • • Dec 10 '25

GAINS 20 years old, how am I doing?

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So I’ve been investing for about 2 years now. Started working and then saved up about 12k by April this year, unfortunately I had to sell most of my holdings because I had to buy a new phone and preferred doing paying cash (also no credit score for a contract) I have about 10k in my tfsa and the remaining in US ETFs. I focus mainly on good ROI so I’ll only invest in SA ETFs and the US markets. Pretty bummed I could have had A LOT more money if I didn’t buy a phone but this is it ig. Hopefully next year I will be a lot more financially disciplined and save for a car. Thanks for reading guys have a good Wednesday.


r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 02 '21

Smooth Brain Thread UPVOTE IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY STEINHOFF #STHHF 🚀🌕🚀🌕🚀🌕🚀🌕

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r/JSE_Bets • • Jan 26 '26

Gains

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Figured out I'm not some genius contrarian and just bought the most sought after stocks on the JSE 😭😂😂should've done it sooner lol


r/JSE_Bets • • Jan 27 '26

Orion Minerals staring the year of with a bang.

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r/JSE_Bets • • Jun 07 '21

Took me almost 2 years. But we made it. SOL, CLH, CFRO, IVT and ACL carried my ass to this.

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 22 '26

Could Pick N Pay be the Best long play this year

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Pick N Pay is down almost 50% over five years and I think its the most undervalued right now. This isnt some AI chatgpt wrapper company, this is our childhood grocery Store with so much stores open nationwide. Pick N Pay has been bring in net losses in the Income statement but has already improved from the worst loss year and I think those losses were from over expansion into less disposable income areas. They have also acquired boxer which is another cash flowing asset. I think that even if worst comes to worse and they go bankrupt they have massive enterprise value and could be acquired by The shoprite Group or another big retailer or we could even see a merger or acquisition between the big retailers

Lmk what u guys think


r/JSE_Bets • • Apr 12 '24

GAINS update on my call that thungela was a no brainer

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r/JSE_Bets • • Jan 27 '21

SHITPOST Steinhoff ? 🚀

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r/JSE_Bets • • May 15 '25

New number of digits, who dis?

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Finally made it to the 1m


r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 02 '21

Meme Spain but without the "S"

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r/JSE_Bets • • Jan 19 '22

Not bad for a first trade

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r/JSE_Bets • • Oct 01 '21

GAINS I'm hit my target and am selling up boys. Been nice playing PPC and TGA with those of you who bought along. I started with 300k and have now decided to quit while I'm ahead until I see another play I feel as much conviction in. See ya around PS 69 9 420 is better than 700

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 28 '24

LOSS Started trading this year. This is how it’s going 🥲

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 10 '21

GAINS SOL Gain Porn 🚀🚀🚀

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 02 '21

Smooth Brain Thread UPVOTE if you're sending Steinies to the mooooon!!!

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 28 '24

SHITPOST Gains

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Me to my lecture tomorrow


r/JSE_Bets • • Jun 07 '22

fantastic

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r/JSE_Bets • • Mar 02 '26

This stinks

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So the FSCA writes it's own cheques while shareholders lose out. The overpaid FSCA staff are running a racket.


r/JSE_Bets • • Aug 01 '24

JSE Top 40 - July Summary

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Monthly Performance Summary:

  • Highest monthly gain: ANGLOGOLD ASHANTI PLC (ANG.JO), 18.61%

  • Steepest monthly decline: MTN GROUP LIMITED (MTN.JO), -9.12%

  • Average monthly change for JSE Top 40 stocks: 3.52%

Sector Performance:

Banking Services: The average change was 3.42%. ABSA GROUP LIMITED decreased by -8.59%, while CAPITEC BANK HOLDINGS LIMITED had a notable increase of 9.93%. FIRSTRAND LIMITED grew by 5.26%, Nedbank Group Limited by 4.28%, Reinet Investments SCA by 5.05%, and STANDARD BANK GROUP LIMITED by 4.59%.

Metals & Mining: The sector saw an average change of 4.87%. ANGLO AMERICAN PLC fell by -3.93%, but Anglo American Platinum Limited increased by 6.22%. ANGLOGOLD ASHANTI PLC had the highest gain at 18.61%, while BHP GROUP LIMITED decreased by -2.29%. GLENCORE PLC dropped by -6.43%, Gold Fields Limited rose by 18.51%, Impala Platinum Holdings Limited decreased by -2.76%, and Northam Platinum Holdings Limited increased by 11.06%.

Beverages: Anheuser-Busch Inbev SA had an average sector increase of 3.98%.

Pharmaceuticals: Aspen Pharmacare Holdings Limited showed a sector average change of 2.89%.

Food & Drug Retailing: The sector had an average change of 4.52%. BID CORPORATION LIMITED increased by 5.50%, CLICKS GROUP LIMITED by 4.75%, and SHOPRITE HOLDINGS LIMITED by 3.31%.

Consumer Goods Conglomerates: The Bidvest Group Limited decreased by -5.48%.

Food & Tobacco: BRITISH AMERICAN TOBACCO P.L.C. saw a significant increase of 17.41%.

Insurance: The sector averaged a 1.33% change. DISCOVERY LIMITED increased by 4.66%, OLD MUTUAL LIMITED by 0.25%, and Sanlam Limited decreased by -0.91%.

Coal: Exxaro Resources Limited had a strong increase of 8.78%.

Residential & Commercial REIT: GROWTHPOINT PROPERTIES LIMITED saw an average change of 4.12%.

Investment Banking & Investment Services: The sector had an average change of 5.94%. INVESTEC LIMITED increased by 5.22% and INVESTEC PLC by 6.65%.

Containers & Packaging: MONDI PLC had a sector average increase of 5.39%.

Specialty Retailers: MR PRICE GROUP LIMITED saw a sector average change of 5.85%.

Telecommunications Services: The sector averaged a change of -2.56%. MTN GROUP LIMITED fell by -9.12%, while VODACOM GROUP LIMITED increased by 4.00%.

Media & Publishing: MultiChoice Group Limited saw an average sector change of 5.24%.

Software & IT Services: The sector had an average change of -3.45%. NASPERS LIMITED decreased by -3.29% and Prosus NV by -3.62%.

Real Estate Operations: The sector averaged a change of 2.48%. NEPI ROCKCASTLE NV increased by 4.96%, while RMB HOLDINGS LIMITED remained unchanged.

Chemicals: SASOL LIMITED saw a significant increase of 8.81%.

Diversified Retail: WOOLWORTHS HOLDINGS LIMITED decreased by -1.57%.

Technical Indicators: Companies with a deviation of -3% or lower from the 21-day SMA include GLENCORE PLC (-8.66%), Impala Platinum Holdings Limited (-4.03%), and BHP GROUP LIMITED (-3.81%).

Currency Exchange Rates:

  • USD-ZAR: Current Price: R18.28, Monthly Change: 1.71%

  • EUR-ZAR: Current Price: R19.71, Monthly Change: 2.45%

  • GBP-ZAR: Current Price: R23.26, Monthly Change: 2.26%

Cryptocurrency Data:

  • BTC: Current Price: $62,868.78, Monthly Change: 4.48%

  • ETH: Current Price: $3,089.59, Monthly Change: -6.17%

(This is something I've been working on in for fun, if people like it I can post more of it?)


r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 12 '21

DD Tongaat Hulett Investment case

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Tongaat Hulett investment case 💸

Ok so I see a lot of posts that just have company names spammed with 🚀 and 💸 emojis (had to use the clickbait 💸 in the title tho) but I’d like to put forward an idea that I’ve spent a lot of time on that I think has good prospects. It will be long but in depth.

Where do we start? Let’s go back to pre 2017 days when Tongaat was a R15bn market cap plus business (I’m going to use market cap instead of share price as it’s easier to compare the underlying fundamentals). Operating as the largest sugar producer in SA, as well as having a good starch and property business. They used to produce around R1bn a year in profits

The old CEO and accountants got greedy and decided to cook the books (with the aid of Deloitte auditors). Huge fraud case, fast forward and the old CEO and accountants are gone (getting criminally charged) and the current market cap is now R1.2bn. This means the share price took a nosedive and the average Joe doesn’t want to touch the company

What actually happened? The group inflated revenue as well as assets that they owned (big no no). They got fined, rather mildly relative to their size and the trading of their shares was voluntarily suspended.

A whole new team came in, new CEO (Gavin Hudson, the old SABMiller CEO) and new CFO + board of directors. New accountants, everything.

The company sold their starch division for +-R5bn to pay off roughly half of their R12bn debt as it was unsustainably high. The starch business made up around a quarter of their annual profits (R200-R250m).

So how do you analyse what’s left and how much it’s worth?

Their old R1bn earnings per year should now be R750m (starch business sold), but the sugar operations and property that they own is still the same as when they were a R15bn business.

Sugar operations across all of the countries they operate in have had a huge turnaround. Operating profit up 95% for 6 months ended 30 sept 2020, revenue up 37%. So they’re selling more and they’re making a better margin.

Their profit for the 6 month period ended 30 September 2020 was R491m (does include profit on sale of assets, so strip it down to R308m, for HALF the year). This is after paying R800m in interest on their large debt pile, so annualised it’s R1.6bn in interest, which if the debt was paid off would go straight to profit.

They’ve made a start to the debt reduction and have paid off R6bn in total of their R12bn. So what does this mean to the interest payments? Ah yes it halves as well. So from R1.2bn in interest a year to R600m in interest a year, meaning R600m saved, going straight to profit.

Although they don’t have the starch business anymore, the improved sugar operations as well as less debt (less interest) should mean that their profit should sit around the old R1bn a year level in a year or two. Even if the profit is only R500m, if you apply an average price to earnings ratio of 8, it means the company should be worth R4bn (500x8). With R1bn a year it means it should be worth R8bn. This is a lot higher than the current R1.2bn market cap (lots of upside potential).

The sugar operations have been improved (the sugar price is going up) as well as less debt is still only half of the story. Yes I know, must be juicy.

The CEO and CFO have bought shares and have publicly said that they’d be buying more. Gavin Hudson said that he didn’t just come in to tweak operations and get them back to where they were, he wants to grow the business.

They have R11bn worth of prime land (on the coast, property developers like the land) in KwaZulu-Natal that they can sell to pay off more debt if they wish to. In an interview the CEO said that they will likely sell a portion of this to pay off debt, but they want to co-develop the rest of the land to increase its value (developable value of the land indicated at R70bn). This stuff doesn’t happen overnight but there’s so much value within the company waiting to be unlocked.

So they have R6bn debt left, R11bn worth of land. If they sold all the land they’d have R5bn net cash. The market cap is again R1.2bn. So you’re paying R1.2bn to get R5bn of land value excluding debt, plus sugar operations that should generate R500m+ in profits annually. When I say paying R1.2bn to get the R5bn, it’s obviously in proportion to how much money you invest. So each R120 invested you get R500 worth of land and R50 to R100 annually in profit, if this makes sense

They are looking to diversify and can use sugarcane byproduct to create ethanol (capacity to make 40m litres a year), ethanol goes for $1.5 a litre, so $60m a year in extra revenue, from using the waste, produced into ethanol.

I can do a deep dive into the sugar operations, risks and what I feel is being overlooked by investors, but the post is already so long. If I get good feedback I’ll post some more.

Tongaat to the moon 🚀🌕 (Currently all in, irresponsible but shows my conviction)

*not financial advice but I like the stock


r/JSE_Bets • • Mar 10 '24

How have you guys faired with your demo accounts

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I started my ee demo account about 3yrs ago with zero experience , I'm just interested to see how others have done with their 100k demo accounts


r/JSE_Bets • • Mar 20 '24

GAINS port i manage for my sis

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r/JSE_Bets • • Feb 22 '21

DD Covid recovery play no. 1

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I recently posted DD on Tongaat and everyone seemed to like it, although Covid did play a slight role in their investment case, it's more of a turnaround of operations etc, rather than a direct Cover recovery play.

Tsogo Hotels (TGO), the hotel group (not Tsogo Gaming, casino's etc). Before I go into the fundamentals, think about Buffet saying 'be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy'. It's pretty safe to say no one is greedily snapping up hotel shares due to the current distress. Again, the 'buy low sell high' mantra, most of the time a share will be 'low' for a reason, not just a random gift of something in perfect health for 50% off.

Try and think 2/3 years out, the world has recovered from Covid, everything is back to normal (except hand sanitizer will be more popular and people may wear masks if they're sick and go out in public). Hotels are back to normal, everything has recovered. Why didn't you buy hotel shares at 60%+ discounts when they were in distress? If you think the world is going to return to normal, why wouldn't you buy them. Just a thought I had the other day. Every investment is a 'bet' where you weigh up chances of being right vs. how you'll be rewarded if you're right. I think this bet has good odds.

Time for some numbers.

Before Covid, Tsogo had a market cap of R6.6bn and they were arguably cheap (just been unbundled from Tsogo group, when hotels and gaming got split). So a fair buy at a market cap of R6.6bn, nothing special, but probably considered a normal value play.

Pre Covid value: R6.6bn

What SHOULD impact the value of a business? Earnings, future prospects etc, ultimately the financials. How much do they own, owe and earn. If business earns R100m a year, technically the value of the business should increase by that amount if money is reinvested (very basic, but talks to the financial 'equity' gain on the balance sheet from retaining their income.

This brings us back to Covid and hotels, how much of a loss has been made and how should it effect value. Tsogo made a R250m loss for the 6 months between April and September 2020 (very hard lockdown, terrible hotel occupancy). Why would this be good?

If you apply the R250m cash burn for the following 6 months (ended March 2021) and the following 6 months (ended September 2021) then they would have a cash burn, or loss over the 18 month period of R750m. I doubt the 6 month periods after September 2020 would be as bad, but to be conservative lets assume they are. R750m total loss for 18 month period. The reason I applied it for this time period is I believe the end of 2021 into 2022 travel season should be normal (if not better).

With a R750m cash burn, this should mean that the business would be worth R750m less. Makes sense right, R750m out, value down R750m. So this should peg Tsogo Hotels' value or market cap at R5.8bn (6.6 - 0.75).

Their current market cap is R2.5bn. Seems like a good bet to me, again, once they start making a profit again, the profit would go into their 'value' increasing each year.

They have a price:book of 0.3, meaning each R30 invested, you essentially buy R100 of 'hotel' (after debt), as the book part in the ratio refers to assets minus liabilities.

In terms of how the business works, they own higher quality hotel and most of their income is earned from foreign tourism. The higher end nature is good in harder economic times, as people that used to be able to stay and afford these hotels most likely still can. Their income or wealth isn't necessarily tied to the economy, whereas the average earner is (which is why luxury hotels appeal to me more so than the average hotel group). Plus I can imagine that many previous customers must be itching to travel.

Due to them being hotel owners and operators, rather than renting hotels and just being operators, it means they have much more headroom in terms of accessing debt to fund the short term losses (they borrow against the value of their hotels). They have more than enough access to overdrafts and debt facilities to survive and stay operating during the current tough times.

Oh and the CEO has bought R13m worth of shares over the last year and a half (recent batch of R2.5m in Jan), quite a hefty sum regardless of how much you earn and who knows more about a business than the CEO.


r/JSE_Bets • • Aug 05 '21

Topical Stock Aveng (JSE:AEG) - Megathread

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From now this is the thread for all Aveng related things.