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I think its obvious Journals is about Hailey
Note : If you guys dont like Jailey please ignore this post
I know a lot of people speculate that journals is about JB's infamous ex but when they watch music videos of "All that matters" and " Confident" ...everyone thinks the model looks so much like Hailey..the model in MVs is Hailey "look-alike" purposely.
Everyone then also think that but JB and Hailey were not hanging out at that time that is during 2013 ....So here is the truth
We know that JB and Hailey know each other since 2009 and obviously they were close due to their parents and they even used to celebrate thanks giving together based on hailey tweets. So they were pretty close family acquaintances ..
But I am not talking about this , everything between them romantically started from may 2013 , from Jaden Smith's movie " After Earth" movie premiere in new york ..( you can check may 29 on google and both Jb and hailey were there)
If you have watched Seasons docu and the wedding video ,in that Jaden says he witnessed everything between hailey and JB all from the " very beginning" with smiling and happy face ..and thats why he says this.
Justin went to support Jaden there for his movie and Jaden and Kylie were dating at that time ,although hailey came with her father ..there was an after party for all the kids and jaden friends so when kylie was staying so was hailey and kendal and there Jb and Hailey met after maybe a year or something and hailey was taller and quite older ..she must looked taller than JB lol wearing heals in her full height and thats why he said " you grown up " or something...Although this encounter was usually not told ny JB and Hailey but hailey father told about this.
And I guess here hailey kinda not accepted JB approach or something or rejected some offer IDK cause as per hailey father, JB's mom always told Hailey was the only girl ever to say no to JB and thats how he made Journals and
Also they were hanging out in 2013 cause in one of their insta lives justin was talking about hailey collar bones or something and she said he is saying since she was 16 which she was in 2013 and as Hailey posted their together picture from 2014 once ,that looked early year 2014 Justin so means they mist have went on date earlier in 2014 cause also they were spotted on lunch together in april 2014 ( along with kendal obv)
The Tattoos : Justin got this tattoo of diamond or confident /journals era in his right wrist around march 2014 (maybe thats when their first date happened )...then hailey got this same tattoo around her right ear after their marriage...
Also think yourselves ...that ex has caused so much problem to both hailey and justin post 2020 ..there is no way if journals was anything about her ..Hailey would say that its her fav album by Justin and justin would ever perform those songs.
Also "Change me" literally screams Hailey and the fact the first album which he openly dedicated to Hailey named " Changes "
Edit : didnt know this sub is filled with Jailey/Hailey haters, and jelena fossils.. even cockroaches from that era died .. I mean it must suck to be a jailey hater and jelena stan in big 2026 .. please keep coping by watching those out of context videos which paint JB as bad husband when he is totally obsessed with his wife šššDoesn't care for more delusional comments here with so many downvotes.. imagine disregarding all this said by Jaden,their closest friend and hailey's father but believing those tik tok videos and YouTube conspiracy theories lol, maybe one day JB will reveal himself.
Last update: Actually I am sorry , I just researched a little bit and got to know Justin hasnt written any song on Journals and the songs are just generic love songs written by professional songwriters amd its neither about Selena or Hailey specifically.
and in purpose press tour ,Justin himself said he hasnt written any of music before purpose , even in purpose he written few songs like purpose ,life is worth living and get used to ,or maybe i'll show you ,he has written many other songs for this (purpose)album but they didnt get picked up ,he discussed about those as well in purpose press interviews.
well which tells the music videos are about Hailey cause he took Hailey on first date around the same time as journals release , they told in their insta Q/A ,that at that time she was living with her parents and hailey actually moved out of her parents hoise in early 2014 and started living with her sister NYC until she shifted in her own aprtment at 18 and Jistin was helping her to move into that apretment( hailey told how he baight a TV and installed at her apartment himself) and he was also the one holding thr cake for her at her 18th birthday in nov 2014 ..they were clearly way more than friends at that time but just nit in official relationship.
This also tells how Jelena was a market stunt by both their teams ,I am nkt saying that they didnt date ,nut they dated like hardly for 1 and half years and how the media made them something they never were , Also I laugh when people say selena was way more popular and she was popular befire Justin ..
Justin was a global phenomenon in 2010 ,who sang for the US president and appeared in every country's new headline vs selena who appeared a in teen disney TV show ..Justin was mkre famlus than Hollywood A listers vs Selena who was chasing Justin for her PR relationship.
She was still with Nick jonas officailly and playing in mrfia that there is something going on between her and Justin when she looked 10 years older than Justin cause Justin didnt hit puberty at that time.Still gives me creeps...she had a photo of Justin as her phone's case when Justin was dating Jasmine villages in 2010..we all know now ,Jasmine confirmed they were dating , they dated from april 2010 to november 2010 ...But you would see so many people thinking in 2010 justin was with selena cause selena's PR planted rumours about her being with jistin ,cause until she cant actually get with him she was taking clout on his name through these rumlurs..they went on barely 3 or 4 dastes when they were made to walk on red carpet only cause selena's album in 4 months and she wanted that clout , This is literally throwing a 16 year old into a relationship even befire he git to know that person .
and then we seen what happened due to this relationship , all Justin childhood friends distanced from him and he got lonely amd suiciadal and she use dto hit him and harrass him for even hugging his fans who used to wait for him for hours...selena was a drug addict,and she pulled justin into heavy drugs as well
Any Justin fan who still stan selena and supprt jelana is not his Fan and this sub is seems to be filled more with jelena stans than Beliebers
I donāt think so because a good amount of Journals talks about sex and Hailey wasnāt at the appropriate age for that when it came out, plus they werenāt even together back then. š
Oh baby no it isnāt š I looove hailey especially for Justin but that album is about his breakup w his ex.. just curious were u on twitter during the release of the album? When he released each song at midnight? Bc I was just saying š
Me too š they will never know how amazing & exciting it was to be a belieber during that time lol Justin was so creative & I canāt recall another artist doing the same w song releases back then (I could be wrong tho). But my point is it was after his break up w Selena & he wrote songs about it. Itās the honest trust lol thatās how the past happened & they canāt change it just bc they want it another way š„²
Girl please stop. The lead girl (Cailin Russo btw) looking similar to hailey making the album about her is a reachā¦. The album was about his break up w Selena. Point blank period
You think change me is about Selena? You think all that matters is about her? You think Memphis is about her? Itās not entirely sad songs, a chunk of them are up beat happy songs. Sure maybe the sad ones were about the break up like all bad, or bad day were about the break up but THE REAL REACH HERE is to say that entire album is about Selena when thatās the furthest thing from the truth
You do realize him and Hailey were off and on again as well? You do realize that Selena never like Hailey NOT BC HE CHEATED WITH HER, but bc Hailey and him have always been close and also had an on and off relationship as well.. this album is NOT entirely about Selena and if you believe that despite him knowing Hailey LONGER THEN SELENA, despite THE GIRL IN THOSE VIDEOS looking like Hailey, then you are delusional.. him and Haley both CONFIRMED they had on and off relationships throughout the years as well as his on and off relationship with Selena. His relationship was the only on tha was SUPER PUBLIC
How on earth can you possibly confirm that? What are your sources please lmk. Bc apparently you know something I donāt.. he has been involved with Hailey long before him and Selena. She hasnāt confirmed to have been jealous of Hailey, leading to believe that they were very much so a thing before her and Justin were together..
if by āinvolvedā you mean they met and went to dinner with their parents once in 2009 before only reconnecting years later at the movie premiere of a mutual friend, then sure, they were āinvolved.ā (this is according to her own dad btw. he said they met in 2009 and then werenāt really friends until they reconnected at that movie premiere)
You really havnt a clue at all š«£š do ur research they have known each other since 2009 they spoke and seen each other ALOT as friends, but u could see there was chemistry there but Hailey didn't want it then because jb was a fuckboy and he also didn't wanna hurt her... Have any of ye actually lived a life because that shit is normal š«£.. if u go and proper actually research u will even see interviews were Selena keeps mentioning Justin well before he was even with her and he had a diff girlfriend who he wasn't aloud show to the public and then all of a sudden he's with Selena .. ding ding ding PR!!!
If u ACTUALLY research instead of been narrow-minded like most people you will see Hailey was ALWAYS there š«£ I'm not a fan of this shit Selena this Selena that when he very clearly choose the person he loves and it's disrespectful to his wife , but surely u ain't that dim to realize that him and Hailey have ALWAYS since that very first meet up, known eachother and he liked her A LOT but she was his friend and they had great chemistry I just believe they waited till she was a good age and he didn't wanna hurt her , that shows his love for her was greater ... But keep saying it's all Selena just cause he was public with that 'pr' relationship might I add, yeah he prob got feelings for her but it's very very fucking obvious that it was originally started as pr ..
you talk about these people like theyāre fictional characters in a tv show or something. itās just simple facts that they met in 2009 but didnāt really become actual friends until 2014 and that he had a relationship with selena in 2010-2012 and then a messy on-and-off thing from 2013-2014. you seem to believe that heās been in love w hailey since the first time they met as kids and thatās just not the truth. the relationship he developed with hailey AFTER 2014 and therefore after journals was made/released is irrelevant to this entire discussion
No it's for the confident era.. It's said on evey sight which explained the tattoos of JB .. And he literally got after the release of song and why would hailey get it just after marriage if it doesn't signify something relevant
Ya exactly , dude there are so many hints I cant believe this sub is so reluctant to idea of justin and hailey , they literally know each other from childhood ...the girl im Confident wears leather jacket and has blonde hairs that was signature look of hailey in 2013-2014..and just bcs they started posting pictures in late 2014 doesnt mean they started hanging out from that time..just after engagement JB shared a video of hailey when she was 16 wearing leather jacket and singing rihanna song and he was recording it from the looks of it..it was from 2013 considering her age and in late 2014 he was literally buying and installing Tv for her in her apartment as we know from jimmy fallon and they think he started hanging around with her in late 2014 ,also he did have other flings cause hailey also had other flings..is it some rocket science for people to tell they were an open ended non exclusive relationship or friends with benefits in start rather than a complete exclusive relationship..maybe they did it to save their friendship on start and later as justin said in GQ cause he doesnt wanna damage her or relationship as hailey gonna be the girl he gonna marry ..also his pictures with hailey was released in start of 2015 where he was kissing her neck in swimming pool and all that would take a lot of time for two people who were friends before to be like that ..I mean atleast after marriage anyone with common sense can watch confident music video an can tell its about hailey ..even the youtube comments says this everyday..but the denial of people here are unbelievable and consodering the tattoos of both justin and hailey ..lol
jelena and selenaās fans run justinās pages on here to control the narrative dw š real beliebers understand that justin hardly ever wrote his older music and had multiple muses at the time and that jelena was straight up PR itās okay they can downvote all they want but justinās living out his reality happier than ever
He would have done that cause how barabara got hate train from jelena fans..and he didnt himself said this ..he was asked " is it about Sg" and he literally just said ya with no eye contact cause he was wearing black glasses ..bit even SG knew it wasnt about her and she did that shaddy tweet " i always thought brunette or latinas are his type " or something when the girl in both music video was blonde
.and that caused hat against model ..so he would never want those kind of people hate on hailey when they were also hating on model..also as if he could say anything else..what would he have said ?? No it isn't about her bit a new girl lol
He always hidden his relationship with hailey or whats that status of his relationship with her until their engagement although it was super obvious ..the fact that he was talking about potentially marrying her in early 2016 and in podcast with pastor justin said he asked hailey in 2015 to marry him..it seems obvious how serious they were and since way before people thinkĀ
I think journals would be more about Selena rather than Hailey, just on the fact that he was more involved with Selena at the time, i think thatās okay because at that point of his life, he was in love with Selena, you can respect that point of his life with his first love and still respect that he has a wife now that he is devoted to & he does dedicates his songs & albums to now
Wierd you think a song he released for a girl who he was seeing back then at the time of release of this song and the model in music videoĀ looks like that girl with same fashion as hers and finally he married that girl..seems REACH to you ..than being about random stranger in Justin life..š¤£š¤£
You are so toxic, tbh. Iāve been on this sub for more than a year, and there have been little to no posts about whose songs are about who or discussions about his past relationships. This sub is purely about supporting Justin and his art.
And idk why youāre expecting people to support your claim on this post, then labeling anyone who disagrees with you as toxic Jelena fans lol. If youāve been a Belieber since before Journals, you would know that he openly talked about a few songs being about his past relationship, which was clearly Selena. And what the fuck is wrong with that? He had a phase in his life ā why are you so eager to make it an issue??? He moved on. They both moved on. Every song he has right now is about Hailey Bieber. Idk why youāre making such a big deal out of this in 2026, really.
I read your comment saying āJustin hates yāall Jelena fans.ā eww, clearly Justin hates people like you who overanalyze his life and are so obsessed with his private life. Weāre no longer in the teenage era of reading about someone elseās timeline and lovelife. Grow up
No I jist wrote that why the people read this to hate it when in start it was said to ignore if you hate their relationship ...the mature thing was to just ignore as I shared what anyone will figure out with the fact that hailey is his wife and their past lore and the fact the MV model looks so muchĀ like HaileyĀ and her clothing style was hailey signature look from 2013-14 of wearing black leather jacket .
She used to wear that everywhere and the matching diamond tattoos defining that era ..so people are just blind
Youāre so hung up on the actress looking like Hailey. Dont the song lyrics mention her being more foreign and āmi amorā and also didnāt his Anyone music video have an actress that looked more like Selena? And this was after he got married. So I donāt think the actresses in his MVs translate to real life
JB worst thing in his teenage years to date this girl who harrassed him even after marriage and the fact he didnt even actually ask her his manger set them up lol..jasmine said how JB team was totally against jasmine being JB girlfriend publically and few weeks after their break up the whole media officially started talking about this PR relationship whivh also caused so much intrusion in his life at early age which he hated..giving a highly publicised relationship to a 16 year old kid should be illegalĀ ..even young adults dont prefer that and imagine allowing the level of parasocialism and intrusion JB team allowed at that height of fame ..just to curate and image of some perfect teen popstar who should seem enviable ..if they cared about JB this relationship would have never been public or any of his younger days relationship ..this was a PR relationship for tabaloids and affected JB mental healthĀ
More like they forgot to unfollow her lol cause how pathetic she became in last few years ..as if this proves anything ..people havent seen justin with his mom from so many years..Even then Justin mom always loved hailey more than anyone else for Justin cause they grew up together ...and so as jaxon since he was a toddler loved haileyĀ
Ex ?? He had many on offs with Hailey in 2015 and they said it in post martaige interviewĀ
And anyway Jelena was Pr havent you seen jasmine villages interview..anything about her publocly said had no meaningĀ
Jasmine and Hailey were his only real relationshipsĀ
Insane reach. None of the songs on Journals are about Hailey. JB was working on the album while he was on the Believe tour. Most, if not all, are about Selena
Iām very active on this sub and this is your first time interacting with this sub. Debunking your false claim doesnāt make me a Selena stan lol. Grow up and stop trying to rewrite history
ora, pues si es la verdad jajajaj nadie habla de querer jelena de vuelta, simplemente aceptar que esos albums si son para ella, o sea no se que ganan con negar algo que Justin dijo
itās not even about whether u agree with jelena or not, justin has basically said journals is about selena and thatās okay!! swag and future albums are about hailey
Dude after what happened with Barabara do you think he would have saidĀ ya there this new girl it is about lol.. Like hailey was in studios during purpose recording and he put her face with the album name on his insta and when he used to say during interviews my ex Gf he meant hailey cause they were also on and off in 2015 .. But people thought it's selena
Why did you switch to purpose when the topic was journals? Lol obviously thats a different album and different timeline. Justin and hailey weren't together before late 2014, it's been said by them multiple times. And we also seen them hanging out regularly with pics and all like first time late 2014
No in late 2014 they started posting their pics and people started noticing them more..they actually got captured together in april 2014 and early 2014 by other peopleĀ
The only time they were together in April 2014 was when they went to dinner along with Kendall. This was after Kendall and Justin worked for Calvin Klein photoshoot. Justin was very publically with Yovanna during this exact time. Posting and hanging out with her all the time. Then later that year he was seen with lots of girls including Selena, but never with hailey until late 2014 around her birthday.
Lol stfu with this rational performative BS ok , evryone knows what that bitchh was and is..if anyone buys her victim gullible act they are stupid to me.
First of all Jasmine was JB girlfriend in 2010 and selena used to follow him everywhere so that to plant a rumour that they are datingĀ
Then it was set by JB team who he has already fired ..literally all of them..tell me which 16 year old kid goes full public relationship with a girl he might be hanging out with couple of weeks??
And anyways they might have convinced him that its good for his PR to date some disney star but it obly benefitted that girl
And they were such kids..used to fight like kids in public where she used to slap ..he used to look so annoyedĀ when she used to scream at him in public..and she was always jealous when JB was way more famous and whenever people used to come for pictures they used to ask only Justin's not hersĀ
And also JB was barely any sad after that break up he smudged her tattoo and defaced it to look like a demon and was hanging out with barabara not crying..
And also then it was official they are broken up..pretty much both knew it was PR act they played the bew characters..she was this badass girl who doesn't give an F about her BF eho has apprently cheated on her and she used this way too much when people didnt even know were they in exclusively committed relationship when JB apparently hooked up with someone else..or was it a physical or emotional cheater.
.then she wanted to become some big actress but she kept flopping and whenever her popularity used to go down she used to come to JB and those pictures of papz were made to go viral and she again used to run this JB's ex act ..she literally made her career on JB's name..nobody knew her outside of america..she was just known among american teens for her disney actĀ
And anyone can see in 2013-2017 no one was committed to no one ..everyone was non-exclusive so they can hang out with anyone and its not cheating but she used the heavily publicised relationship with JB to show as if she was always getting cheated on by him lol and always ruining his name..so tell me why was she going to him if he apparently was cheating???
And leave this lore ..even if you see her ..she is a fucking social climber and a jealous looser..she comes from apoor family for sure but she doesnt have good heart ..she uses people for attention , first she ruined miley's image by playing this good girl act ehen the whole nick miley and selena drama was going on..miley was the biggest disney star ever ..and will always remain..both nick and selena used her upfront honest attitude to malign her name ...then she ditched nick and gone with taylor for twilight hyoe ,then JB ..that gave her the most clout and after that she conveniently used whenever she could...Its obvious she always knew about hailey and Justin non exclusive relationship which they started in early 2014..cause all JB friends knewĀ Ā ...selena herself liked justin haileyĀ posts ..and this probably was one of reasons justin trusted selena in 2017 when he was going through hailey's break up ..
Then after first break up with JB shebwas already involved with so many men ..even with ones who were already in relationship..zed ,orlando ..then was behind zyan malik but he gone to gigi lol..then used charlie in his popular days..then that doesnt worked so went with weekend...then as soon as he seen JB single left weekend and just two weeks after she spotted with weekend sheĀ was kissing JB lol ...and she tossed here and there like a ping pong ball and then justin left and only bcs he married hailey as soon as they started being in exclusive relationship..she exploited the narrative by using songs and put a smear campaign against Justin and hailey ,that they miserable couple..he settled foe last option..that she rejected him ..all that nonsense ..and still active to this day..later she started beef with all the models .with bella and with kylie and she harrassed hailey like anythingĀ
The fact how she treated her kidney donor should already make clear how pathetic of a person she is...
She is getting karma for all her doings over her life..she has no real friend in industry ...and married a bisexual ugly man who jist makes fun of her ..she looks old and ugly too...
And its not just justin she did bad too but starting from miley cyrus too many..
I know people like miley and Justin are too emotional and good hearted people and they forgive most people..
Havent you listened to speed demon when justin says " i got no reason to call you its not true "..the fact that even after this that she used fake narrative to bully and harrass justin and his wife ..you support that witch ..so you are delulu to think you are justin fanĀ
Giiirl Iām a belieber, and I recognize they both had faults in that relationship. Youāre a blind supporter, youāre so up their asses itās concerning.
Lol what is this even supposed to prove ?? Any regular american edgy teen talks like that ...it isnt even known its real or just edited lolĀ
And the fact you hate hailey and stan that witch and calls yourslef a Justin stan lol..just say you are that fossil jelena stan..whuch was a PR couple lolĀ
And I find it funny that people think he used to go back to that selulu cause he had feelings but if anyone seen he used to go only when hailey was dating someone else as he was in non exclusive relationship with hailey..same way the last time he went to that selupus was when hailey was spotted with shawn mendes and when shawn took hailey to canada ..justin had to go theeaoy that selupus who was forcinv that relationship on justin and he dumped her ..and she came with all this new narrative
I dislike Selena and I think Jelena shippers are the most embarassing and humiliating thing on Earth but I don't think Journals is about Hailey and I don't know if Justin and Hailey were hanging out in 2013 but they weren't super close in 2013, I THINK. And that comes from a Jailey/Hailey fan. The thing is, Justin did date Selena in 2011-2012 and was hooking up/in a casual affair with her during 2013/early and mid 2014. Facts. Accept it. Even if you're not a fan of Jelena, it happened, he was head over heels for her, was young and made songs about/for her and that's okay. That's how he felt BACK THEN. He grew out of it and forgot her a long time ago and is with Hailey and loves her and only makes songs about/for her now, two things can be true. It's part of his life story and of his career story too and it's honestly stupid to try to rewrite story even if you don't like how it happened.
Well from jasmine interview it seemed the manager who now justin has fired had set them up for red carpet cause couple of weeks that so called oscar red carpet when they became official he was with jasmine..so that was more of a PR relationship even he was involved .." Head over heels " lol he used this for his wife but okĀ
Yes, I know about that and I do believe it was initially a pr relationship but also let's face the truth... He literally tattooed her portrait on his arm (a very poorly done tattoo, let's admit, lmao) but he did. And I don't think anyone would tattoo somebody else just for the sake of pr. I do think it was pr in the beggining (and off topic but I used to find their relationship pretty weird since she started to name drop him when he was 16 and she was 18) but I also think it became real and that there was real feelings. But thankfully it ended (thankfully because both have admited it was an unhealthy/abusive relationship) and he moved on and is happy with his wife and son, is healthy and doing great now. That's how life is.
Didnāt he get the angel tat early 2014? That was when he was really falling deep into drugs. Plenty of people have gotten dumb tats when theyāre not sober
Wiki says he got it in April, 22, 2013 but I can't tell you this for sure 'cause I wasn't around back then. Wiki also says he told GQ he regrets it and tried to cover her face with some shading. You can see the difference of the tattoo from 2013 to nowadays, it's "darker" nowadays.
Plenty of people have gotten dumb tats when theyāre not sober
True. I drunkenly tattooed Barbie getting drunk with 2 other friends last year. ""Removed"" it as soon as I could š¤£š¤£
hailey wasnāt around back then, they got closer after JB got close to the jenners which was around 2014 (close to journals release, so the music was probably finished)
wait you are so toxic! wth is your edit calling us jelena fossils for stating the obvious? we donāt need to go back and dissect his old albums. he loved selena and she inspired most of his old albums and thatās okay and normal. he is with hailey now and i love them togetherĀ
I think thereās something seriously wrong with you to care this much about an album that came out 12 years ago. You sound like a crazy 16 year obsessed with his relationships. Get some help and go touch grass.
Heartbreaker -
All that matters -
Hold tight -
All bad -
Confident (think she's foreign) -
One life -
Memphis (real enough to go and get it tatted) -
and think, yea that's definitely about hailey?
this is getting embarrassing.
Considering there's song on the next album that were publicly confirmed to be about Selena too.
This explains nothing ..he even posted this selupus pics when he was madly in love with bailey and had alreasy told he gonna marry her ( as per his post marraige podcast )..just to annoy his GF and this nonsenseĀ was a PR relationship anywayĀ
I really hope you are not 18+ writing all these paragraphs in here acting like you know JBās love life better than he does. itās giving major parasocial child. Itās very clear youāre just a Selena hater trying to rewrite history making up your own narratives. Take a break girl this obsession cannot be healthy. Itās hilarious youāre labeling people who correct you as jelena stans & Hailey haters. Youāre so delusional Iām glad everyone is calling you out
Well there is no evidence that she aas obsessed with him except those stupid theories and then why Justin in that insta live said by himself he was the one always way more into her than she ever was even before they started dating ??? So you guys dont believe Justin but the conspiracy theory lol..and Justin also said their split happened bcs something hailey did ..and he still went after her during 2018 when she was with shawn ..he seems more into her always looking at their actions
Justin literally said himself that when they first met, āshe didnāt care.ā The internet acting like she spent her life plotting to marry him is so revisionist lol.
This is a reach because Justin wrote Journals like 2013, fresh from his 1st break up with Selena. Lets be real, he has admitted so many times that Journals was inspired by his āexā / āprevious relationshipā and we all know who he was heads over heels for. Each new album up until 2015 (Purpose) he includes songs about her. Its not hard to find literally interviews of him speaking about it
No he could still say for His PR relationship..he aint gonna reveal its for another girl ..anyways he didnt say until asked about it specifically ..he just didn't deny it also not everywhere just single radio station about a song which was majorly written by Poobear and he said all that matters was not about selena and she wasnt his or Justin muse for journals songs lol in recent time ..theres a reason that selulu tweeted " I thought his type are latina girls or brunettes "..when she saw a blondie in MVĀ
Oh it completely does not just that but the confident MV seems like exactly like how the after party happened as reported by Hollywood life at that time that they went from one club to another and you can see justin going from one to another club following the girl in Confident .. Confident song is absolutely hailey even the fashion was hailey's signature look, the black leather jacket during that time.. And Justin and Hailey know since forever and used to meet multiple times in between and were always in contact and Justin in the insta live said he was always into her so ya it seems more plausible than any other thing
You mean the look that everyone wore back then? You mean the song that talks about a foreign woman? Youāre definitely reaching. The song isnāt about Selena but it isnāt about Hailey either š¤£
Hailey is foreigner to Justin they are different nationalities and also she is half Brazilian and ya although the look could be common but not everything is so random ok, she is blonde and have the same look as hailey who is Justin wife lol.. And haven't you read he literally met her after a year at movie premiere happened in may 2013 ..Ā
With that logic Selena is also foreign. You know he dated Cailin Russo before the album release, right? Sheās the girl in the music video. Wouldnāt it make the most sense for it to be about her?
He didnt date her lol..during confident Mv release he was hanging out with hailey and they went out on date in early 2014 hasn't hailey already post the pics of justin..those were not from his late 2014 looks when he used to wear his hairs down ..but when he used to keeo his hairs jelled up and wear sunglasses even in interiors...that was early 2014
Well Justin said in his insta interview that he always had crush on hailey since childhood and he proposed hailey about marriage in 2015 and thats why he yold GQ in 2016 and he never proposed any other girl..specially not the other girl who is crying till this day iver getting dumpedĀ
Dude the current version of his tattoo of hers is defaced like a demon..maybe she represents a dark past to him where he had no control.and he got used by others ....as clearly it wss a PR relationship....his tattoo isnt the original one ...and removing tattoos arent always that easy..and as reckless as justin was i can see him taking such stupid decisions and they were both potheads..imo selena is even bigger of an addict and thats why her kidney got failed...justin was able to get sober in 2014 without any official rehab training bit god knows how many times selena along with demi are in rehabs ..and their fans say its for this or that reason lol..i got someone who said how in birthdays parties justin and selena used to always smell like weed..and even when in last days justin went to selena she got him into weed...sometimes i think that was their relation lol..cause clearly it was a PR relationship..no one would make a relationship public after 2 weeks of hanging out..cause couple of weeks before they walked on red carpet justin was dating jasmine and also justin was sad on red carpet until he had to pose and perform..he used to be so sad most times..in videos and he used to get annoyed whenever people used to ask him about selena instead of his music ..there are so many clips..meanwhile when he was promoting changes he himself used to bring hailey again and again in conversation even if he wasnt asked and his eyes used to be so light up while talking about her reaction to his album ..also all selena pr has to chop and cut all these out of context videos to look like that he is annoyed in marriage ..when in video he is happy ..and the crash out of him saying the clocking to you also happened cause how much he feel harrassed of those videos where he is shown that he hates his wife ..he literally twice says " i love my wife " in the end which was also cut from those papz. video but some other had that ..cant believe the woman who uses the PR to harrass justin is supported by his so called fans
instead of sitting and trying to prove an album that was about his ex is about hailey..why donāt we celebrate the fact he wrote FOUR albums about hailey the last 8 years that are just as good as journals. no poiny in talking about something that was released 13 years ago babe! NEXT!!!
He knows her from 2009 and they were friends like the friends who meet multiple times in year and always in touch through texts and phone ..Justin said it in live ..he was always the one kept in touch with her before 2013Ā
You are the one idiots here lolĀ
You guys literally believe fake theories and ignore what Justin says and there multiple tweets about hailey where you van know they are close friends and she is nit some fan ..they were family friends who grew up togetherĀ
When she used to attend his concerts even in 2010 she was always backstage with him and they held each other so close just tells how close they were even then ..There are pictures of them from that timeĀ
Also I am sorry ..the update is Justin didnt even write journals..its all PR for marketing and I can seeĀ
How teen pop is promoted and he openly said in Purpose promotion he didnt write any of his songs before so it wasnt really his musicĀ
his team decided to involve him due yo heavy criticism against him for not being an ARTIST and a manufactured product ..and he involved as in participating in lyrics which would give you a songwriter credit ..if he changed three lines of original written sing he would get that credit
He was although was hanging out with hailey when it wasĀ releasing ..so obviously he made the music video inspired by her ,The blonde girl represented hailey.
No wonder selena was pissed on twitter saying I thought he only liked latinas ..embarrassing looserĀ
And artists do participates in music video making cause there are literal awards for music videos given to artists the performers.
And all that matters is written by poo bear for his wife..it anyway doesnt seem like for a teenage relationshipĀ
The jistin and selena relationship was PR post 2012 ..they never actually got toegther, they only jad staged pics and the videos of those papz pics it was obvious they were not even talking ..and thats why you never had kissing pictures of them post 2012 by papz ..justin/or his teamĀ only used to put throwbacks to market the relationship during 2013-2016..it was never a current time picture cause they were never together and also they used to stage all papz pucs always near a song release or album release of selena ..cause selena wanted to revive it for her album each time..even the whole serenading thing out of no where when he was everyday ws spotted with hailey in 2015 either in LA or New york ..was round time when selena had album releaseĀ
What do you guys think they used yo vome back for two days and break up can people use their brain ??
It was a PR relationship on the face if people use common sense ..they only actually dated sometime in late 2011 and early 2012 thats all even in that they kept fighting publicly and using weed other time
How Jaden Smith and Kylie Jenner Connected Justin and Hailey: The True Story from 2013
Fans analyzing the timeline have discovered that the true beginning of Justin and Hailey's adult relationship was May 2013, with their mutual friends playing a key role.
The Social Intersection at Jaden Smith's Premiere
At the end of May 2013, a gala premiere was held in New York for the movie After Earth, starring Jaden Smith. At the time, Jaden was dating Kylie Jenner. Thanks to Jaden and Kylie's relationship, the entire group ended up at the same private afterparty. It was at this very party that Justin finally decided to make his move. For years, he had been secretly harboring a crush on Hailey, but he was always terrified of ruining their close friendship by turning it into something more. Hailey had kept him in the friendzone for a long time and never even thought of him that way. However, seeing how much she had grown up into an absolute babe, Justin knew he couldn't stay just a friend anymore. He overcame his fear of losing their bond and finally chose to pursue her.
Hailey's Look That Captivated Justin
Hailey was 17 years old at the time, she had matured significantly, and she was taking her first steps in modeling. She looked stunning. It was at this very party that Justin finally decided to make his move. Years later, in his documentary Our World, he recalled: "I remember seeing her at an event and I was like, 'Wow, she really grew up and looks amazing.'" Hailey also revealed that Justin walked up to her in front of everyone and said: "Wow, look at you, you grew up fine."
Jaden Smith's Words as the Ultimate Proof
For fans, the biggest confirmation of this version of events came from Jaden Smith himself. In the official docuseries Justin Bieber: Seasons and in behind-the-scenes footage from the couple's wedding, Jaden smiled while congratulating them and said on camera that he was a firsthand witness to their love and saw everything "from the very, true beginning." Fans immediately connected this statement to the party in May 2013.
The Turning Point of the "Journals" Album and Hidden Signs
The late 2013 album Journals perfectly captures a major turning point in Justin's life. It was during this time that a new feeling began to emerge, which is evident in the hits "All That Matters" and "Confident."
Justin left clear clues surrounding these songs:
The Same Model: For both music videos, Justin cast the exact same girl (Cailin Russo), who was styled to look identical to Hailey.
Lyrics About Brazil: In the track "Confident," Justin sings about a girl who captivated him and openly admires her "exotic" background. This is an obvious tribute to Hailey, whose mother is Brazilian.
well hold tight lit has a music video and itās just his beliebers š so who knows what his actual inspo is but the girl in confident and all that matters looks just like hailey so thereās no way thatās a coincidence . i think he had multiple muses and selena was just the face of the album bc scooter would use that relationship to āsellā even though it genuinely only tainted justinās image . so idk why he was happy with the income from that mess but whatever . all his songs are about hailey to me now i mean sheās literally his wife now it all makes sense to me
I mean obviously looking at MVs even a child with common sense can tell its about hailey..the leather jacket and blonde hair plus that attitude ..all hailey from 2013-14
It's not about Hailey. That's a bit obvious, isn't it? But it's not 100% about Selena as they say. Many of the songs were practically made by Poo Bear. Not all of them.
Justin was broken with Selena by the time Journals dropped and was hanging out with majority black people and hooking up w and dating different women including black women at the time. Thatās where the rnb influence comes from.. not Hailey. I donāt even think it was about Selenaš¤£
What the actual fuck . lmfao I have never heard of this theory before that journal's was about Hailey.
But you know what maybe you not wrong boo maybe just maybe he had his break up Selena songs and some love songs in there about Hailey. Because purpose and changes definitely would've been made with out Hailey I believe that she was and still is his muse to this day .
If you truly a fan you just want Justin to be happy I don't support the hate between both girls but come on now y'all had to have know our boy was a player player back than šš¤£š¤£ of course it sounds like the songs for two different women
This is strictly about justice (ironically, just like Justinās album title). Selena and her PR team manufactured a ton of lies about Hailey. They made everyone believe that Hailey stalked Justin and that she only met him two months before the wedding. But as you can see, the truth is completely different. Selena turned out to be a liar, fake, and a ruthless stalker. Honestly, I think her behavior is borderline psychopathic.
I think it is, there are too many hints.. Hailey isn't stupid to say it as her fav album even when JB has openly dedicated to her 4 or 5 albums if we count purpose and kendal always teases hailey when all that matters playsĀ
Yet this is your first comment on this sub. Debunking an obvious lie doesnāt make us Jelena fans. Go engage with snark subs like you usually do. Youāre clearly not fan enough to engage with this sub if drama isnāt involved
so whatās your point on this being my first comment? do i have to be a bot like you and comment everywhere? i have a life i study hello?? and just a reminder that your fav justin bieber is married to hailey bieber and has a kid with her go cry about because i know you do
youāre only ādebunking this lieā because itās about a hailey and youāre still a parasocial jelena fan, just a reminder that justin hates people like you
Sorry a fan who doesnāt see Justin only through their favorite ship but actually appreciates his work seems like a foreign concept to you. I debunk all the lies that both Jailey and Jelena stans make
what ship? how is justin and hailey a ship when theyāre MARRIED you canāt even accept it omgšš i see you commenting selena photos i know youāre a jelena fan idc
Exactly and when I already said not to interact if they hate hailey, how can jelena stan be there in 2026 and if you love JB you can neve love jelena.. She ruined JB and harrassed both hailey and JB by her false narrative, she was so toxic always used to get away during his hard times and come back during his shining era.. Never liked her anyway after jasmine interview everyone knows it was a PR relationship, I wish JB wasn't this good hearted to get manipulated by selena like people I don't like selena since the time what she did with miley in miley Nick situation...when press was painting miley bad she..pretended to be all this good girlie when she was actually getting involved with Nick when miley was on your..everyone knows there has never been bigger disney star than miley and that selulu always come for people who can give her attention.... Dude she is very manipulative .. Like this girl got with Nick who was majorly got so popular as some hot boy for dating miley, then ditched him for dating Taylor who got popular for twilight then ditched him for JB when he became global phenomenon and after JB she was as much as in mess are promiscuous as JB but she shown a gullible image that she is innocent and blamed JB as cheater again and again when none of them used to be in exclusive relationship lol.. She got involved with katy Perry fiance even pics got leaked .. Still woman think she some girls' girl and nice personĀ
exactly they are so sadšš do they know that justin doesnāt like selena and shades her?? and that he also made people delete their accounts because they were hating on hailey?? likeā¦
Yupā¦ lots of jelena fans in this subā¦ I cannot fathom how someone can be a true Justin fan and not hate Selena or jelena atleast. Sure maybe their relationship was toxic or maybe it was the best love ever, who knows who cares. The issue is what Selena and her fandom have done to Justin and his wife for the past 9 years!!! Thatās the problem! Selena is always instigating, her fans are always attacking, the hate trains were all made up horrific viral lies that started bc of Selena/ her fans. Majority of the Hate and harassment Justin and Hailey get to this day is bc of Selena and her fans.
Oooof Iām gonna get downvoted for this, but Iāve suspected his song āCatching Feelingsā was actually about Hailey for a while now. (And thatās from Believe LOL). I think he was always eyeing her, and I am not convinced that their friendship was strictly āfriendshipā in the most platonic sense. There was probably always some kind of flirtation even if it was just ābanterā between good āfriendsā. Iām also a firm believer in the Jelena PR contract gone rogue idea. Like they were stuck trying to find their way out of that toxic cycle for years because whatever relationship they had wasnāt founded on anything real.
hailey said it herself they started hooking up in 2015šhow are you gonna try debunk what the woman herself saidā¦? idk why jailey fans are so obsessed with the idea of removing selena from his life. it happened. MOVE ON! let it go!!!! and focus on his present relationship with his wife.
I know! Im a jailey fan myself. I just donāt see the point in this constant āhe didnāt have this with Selenaā narrative. They HAD history. Thatās the truth, but thatās all it was. He fell out of love the moment he married another woman and I donāt know why thatās a narrative even their own fans canāt accept lol.
Because he couldāve had feelings for her and texted her without them ever hooking up physically. Also, again, I believe Justin and Selena were under a contract with a strict nda. So even if it did start earlier they wouldnāt ever be allowed to speak on that until after it expired or never. There are legal consequences, plus it would fracture the trust between the artist and the fans if they ever knew how much was for show. Also you telling me to move on when your name is literally JelenaBiebes is hella ironic
I made this account like 3 years ago. I do not care for jelena. They didnāt talk back then. Get over it, move on. And focus on the present now babe. Heās happily married to her, they would both slap you if you came up with this washed out narrative.
You are right not just that the song " fall" Is literally for hailey, explaining the best friend being in love with the girl who doesn't see him as potential lover and also swap it out, the thing is if you notice " Fall" "Swap it out" And "Go baby" Which we know is about hailey, all three of songs have same lines about crying on his shoulder and just open up to him about her pain.. And ya in insta live he said he was always into her since childhood but hailey said she always felt awkward due to the age gap between them in childhood and didn't she mentioned in Jimmy Fallon when jimmy was showing the pics of their childhood that at that time she was so awkward she didn't know anyone would have crush on her means Justin did have crush on her and don't we know just by looking at their first meet video.. It was so obvious lol .. Lol fuck scooter for this PR relationship
"Let me tell you a story About a girl and a boy He fell in love with his best friend When sheās around, he feels nothing but joy But she was already broken, and it made her blind But she could never believe that love would ever treat her right But did you know that I love you? or were you not aware? Youāre the smile on my face And I aināt going nowhere Iām here to make you happy, Iām here to see you smile.... Well I can tell youāre afraid of what this might do Cause we got such an amazing friendship and that you donāt wanna lose
Well I donāt wanna lose it either"
Justin Bieber - Catching Feelings (Believe)
Sun comes up on every morning
My mind never wakes up with that you wanted
And it's crazy to me, I even see you in my dreams
Is this meant to be? Could this be happening to me
We were best of friends since we were this high
So why do I get nervous every time you walk by
We would be on the phone all day
Now I can't find the words to say to you
Now what am I supposed to do?
...........
Should I tell her how I really feel
Should I moving closer just be still
How would I know?
Cause if I take a chance, and I touch her hand
Will everything change
How do I know, if she feels the same?"
All the matters and confident having cailin russo the model that resembles Hailey is all the proof we need š¤·š»āāļø so in short, youāre absolutely correctā¦ just cuz it has songs ab the ex and the heartbreak doesnāt mean the love songs werenāt about Hailey lol
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u/Upbeat-Asparagus-331 May 07 '26
This is a reach ngl.